/lit/ - Literature

>>20444061
Does anyone have higher resolution pics of the "minor classics that are better than most classics" chart?

A compilation I found on leddit years ago, I got some of the from there:
https://imgur.com/a/28gXT3C
mostly /pol/ tier, but there's some cool stuff

>>20444374
Why is IJ so low

>>20444550
>some of the
some of these*

last one for now

>>20444367
No

This other version might be a little easier to read

>>20444552
Yeah IJ is normie tier. It’s not like Call of the Crocodile or any of the other really “out there” literary fiction.

>>20444565
Is there any good american literature that is made to be good and not made to be sold?

>>20444561
What Is to Be Done by Nikolai Chernyshevsky is missing

>>20444061
>he needs 30 books for shtf
Larper detected. Literally ngmi

>>20447476

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>>20447487

>>20447515

>>20447534

What i dont understand is what Yukio Mishima Confession of Masks has to do with opioids, in which chapter it is?

>>20447481
State of fear should be on there to point out how stupid this is

Bump

>>20447635
Why not make a new version of this chat yourself.

>>20444061
To all the eco-fascist, neo-anarcho-primitivisist shitposters:
Get off the internet then.
Do it. I won’t miss you.

>>20447724
I'm not an eco fascist my policy is basically don't trash places and kill cats

>>20444367
This is the closest I have, sorry anon.

>>20447725
Chill the fuck out. The eco-fascists and anprim people were never on this site. It just a bunch of old charts of some books with good ideas.

Bump

>>20447950
I'll check them out but most ecological intervention is futile and causes more problems than it solves.

I'm not against technology. I just think we should be less relent it on and use only for the necessities of life.

>>20448315
Technology and science has ruined our moral fabric but that more due to social programming by people running the show

>>20444061
>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS

>>20444061
These charts might be the best part about this board.

>>20447528
Where is Thomas Hardy?

>>20449242
Sorry im shit i couldnt see it in the corner

>>20447725
Amen

>>20447799
I have already have that one. The one I'm looking for has "fuck the Canon" on the last column. It's also slightly different containing these books:
Mulligan Stew
Beware of Pity
We think the World of You
Boathouse

Does anyone have an epub/pdf of "Zazie in the Metro"?

>>20444367

>>20448590
Mad Men isn't a film and Schindler's List is a kike film about a fictional event - the holocaust.

>>20448796
This is the exact one but I couldn't make out some of the books:
The one next to The Journal of Albion Moonlight
The two books after The Slaves of Solitude
The books to the left and right of Beware of Pity

>>20447799
>>20448796
Also which books in this list are worth reading? I'm looking for ones that strike the right balance between being experimental and readable.

>>20448876
>experimental and readable.
those are mutually inclusive. For you, sweetheart, just pick up a copy of Arno Schmidt's collected novellas. Experimental, but not nearly to the extent of Zettel's Traum or School for Atheists'. There's one or two that didn't do it for me, but thats out of like 11 you know.

>>20444550
Yes, because /pol/ is known for its postmodern leftist philosophy. Deleuze and Guattari? That's some basic /pol/ack shit.

>>20447450

>>20448859
>Speedboat
>The Painted Bird
>Television (Jean-Philippe Toussaint)
>The Other City
>Terrasse à Rome
>>20448876
Ice, Life: A User's Manual and No Longer Human are the ones I've read and they're all great.

>>20450570
Thanks. I already have the ones you've recommended. Do you have any recommendations for books similar to "The Third Policeman"? Or just any author similar to Flann O'Brien

https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts

I do love a good charts thread as occasionally someone does post something new, but worth pointing out nearly every one on this thread can be found in the link above

The only chart you will ever need. Should keep you busy for a good decade at least if you're prepared to actually do the work. Of course most of you midwits will probably fall at the first hurdle

>>20444061
You guys have anymore?

>>20449206
They please my autism.

>>20452163
I made these two and am rather proud of them

>>20451665

Did you miss this post --- >>20449102. We also have a /lit/ wiki for charts which has been ruined by many of the images changing to WEBP.

>>20445137
Denzinger's Sources of Catholic Dogma should be on here imo

>>20452168
>>20452163
These are great, I'm going to dig into them

>>20444553
The Islam one is shit tier boomer neocon slop but otherwise good chart.

>>20450360
Did you even click the link retard?

>>20444061
Is there something explain the cuck man? Or any NTR story?

>>20444418
great chart

>>20444432
what do the colors of the lines mean?

>>20452955
Never watched this did this happen?

>>20448861
midwit chart

>>20452185
Fuck off you cunt and post itt, don't be fucking gay and learn how to socialize, even online. I fucking hate you

>>20453233
United States' is actually Blood Meridian

What software should you use to make these charts?

>>20444061
attention chart

>>20454582
ecology chart that isn't disgusting fascism

comfy /out/ lit

nautical classics

classic erotica and modern

>>20444418
Ah mon amie, how times change.

comfy fiction, my favorite chart

>>20444561
>today I wrote nothing
kino title

>>20444061
Anyone have one on meta ethics or philosophy of religion?

>>20444418
rolling

>>20448876
I read A Terrace In Rome a month or so ago, it's very short but pretty decent. Could easily finish it in a couple of hours.

>>20454613
Here's one you might like.

>>20452192
Why no Antichrist?

>>20444553
fuck off

>>20444418
the bottom third of this is so interesting

>sebald
>three body problem
>petersburg
>feast of the goat
>kornel esti
>gracq
>women and men

where did this /lit/ go?

>>20445550
what a disjointed mess

>>20454587
>silent spring
This book is responsible for killing millions

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>>20444061
we need newer charts. a lot of these are gold but old.

anyone have a chart on philosophical hermeneutics?

>>20454587
ecology chart for gay tree huggers

>>20455287
Because Genealogy of Morality covers the same stuff

>>20450500
What is The Poetics of Space about and why is it on the hermit chart?

>>20452211
Nice

Any freud chart?

>>20448861

Any chart for philosophy of religion?

>>20444418
What happened?

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>>20454618
no Emily Bronte?

>>20454599
I made this chart
>>20447799
>>20454604
great and helpful charts.
Anyone have one for Hinduism?

I like looking at these more than I like reading the books

>>20460440
that's because the picks fucking suck

>>20444550
What the fuck does "blindpill" even mean? You faggot zoomer memesters really need to STOP with these faggy terms..

>>20444553
Daoism is BASED you cocksucker.

>>20447481
>Deep ecology
>Includes Nazi faggotry

Explains a lot

>>20448861
This chart is pure, unadulterated C R I N G E

>charts of books that nobody on /lit/ reads
this is like the equivalent of posting your amazon wishlists

>>20452192
Do people actually read this trash? Why would a right wing fag want to read Guenon? Isn't he basically a race traitor muzzie faggot?

>>20461289
A handful do. it only take a couple of people to force a meme on /lit/. its a slow board

>>20461227
Its just pessimistic accelerationism. I used to eat that shit up but I've gotten tired of it lately

>>20457165
I own it, haven't read it yet. What am I in for?

is there sonething like this but for russian lit instead of portuguese?

>>20461464
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/8rZ2yCia

>>20461474
blessed

>>20444418
roll :)

>>20448035
Isn't that what the eco-fascists say?

It pretty much tilting at windmills to try and save wildlife and plants when most of the populace is apathetic, but it would be more degenerate to not try. I'm not talking about climate change which may or may not be real. I mean stuff like factories runoff and the encroaching concrete of the hellhole cities like new york city destroying the greenery.

Nobody ever has read all of the books they put on an infographic.

>>20462489
I counted like 56 books on one of the biggest ones. If you actually read non fiction and you haven't read 56 books then what the fuck are you even doing.

>>20462489
Some of the early charts were made collectively.

We could really use some new/updated charts that aren't /pol/ nonsense.

>>20444418
roolling

>>20444418
Roll

>>20454587
>having an emotional response to a logical process

>>20454432
based

>>20444418
roll

>>20444418
show me the money

>>20444565
wow they all suck

>>20453224
no

>>20463103
>not realizing that emotion is the most developed logical process humans possess
Specifically developed in dealing with the things it's been dealing with for along time, like other humans, or yknow... fucking nature.
And good thing too, since nature is such a large and complex body. Any logic we've been working on for even 100 years falls flat on its face when we try to tackle nature with it. See name a fucking ecological disaster.
Maybe one day we'll have developed enough to be able to actively develop ecological plans.
Today is not that day, chief.

>>20463495
Fascism, pride and investment in the land will provide a far safer future. Blood & Soil is a far more powerful motivator than equity and empathy in restoring our broken, damaged earth.
Everything else is just repackaged wealth redistribution and marxism, neither of which works.

>>20462415
I thought they just say "the industrial revolution bad"

>>20463559
>will provide a far safer future
But it wouldn't have...
The reich was seriously considering absolutely fucking destroying the mediterranean ecosystem. What motivates humanity is 100% not relevant to what makes a good idea. Humans aren't smart enough to fix a broken planet. Again I'm all for the idea that in some future scenario when humanity has become one with the singularity, that authoritarianism will work, but this is not that future scenario.
Listen... think of it this way. Authoritarianism needs an authority, right? Well who is the authority that you want to put in charge... fucking humans? We have enough difficulty conservatively managing the ecosystem of a single area what the fuck makes you think we could PROACTIVELY manage an entire planet.

>Everything else is just repackaged wealth redistribution and marxism, neither of which works.
So it's either authoritarianism, authoritarianism, or authoritarianism? Man, if only there was an ideology that humanity should seek to manage what he is evolutionary equipped to manage, and not try to meddle in things he is woefully incapable of managing. Hey did I just think of it? I'm gonna call it... um... the anti age of consent philosophy!

>>20463622
Some, maybe? But that's not even remotely tangential to the core of eco fascism as an ideology.
Teddy boy wasn't an eco fascist he was an eco terrorist. But even that's a poor label for him since his ideological motivations were just rationalization for him to outlet his hatred for people.
Ah... yeah ted was a misanthrope. Had we lived like the amish do he would have bombed churches.

>>20463645
Can I grow get a qrd cause it seems like eco fascists wants promote environmentalism

>>20463631
>Is told an ethnic blood and soil mindset can save humanity and repair planet
>Ignores it and creates strawman that it is an ancap fantasy
>Refuses to accept that sense of ownership and belonging is directly linked to the chances it will be sustainably care for.

Look at former European colonies in Africa, they were able to farm and create a surplus to feed millions more Then once the locals took over they lost everything and failed feed even themselves.

>>20456911
thanks for the source. kill yourself. that dude is a total loser and a fag...

>>20444418
Rolling

>>20445550
Based and Krishnamurti-pilled, but everything after him is irrelevant. They are, after all, not in a position to agree or disagree.

>>20448861
Kek, have a (you)

>>20453233
Pretty good chart, I think I should read some of them.

>>20444418
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>>20455636
The chart must be either fake or very low sample size, the order makes zero sense, even if the board was somehow so much more well-read in 2017, it's not totally implausible or anything but some of the orderings/choices make it seem very "off" even taking into account the meme status of certain books.

>>20452595
you are correct.

>>20444418
roll

>>20463728
>>20463559
/pol/tards will fucking hang

Does anyone have a Turkish lit chart?

>>20465040
I dont visit /pol/, can you not comprehend the idea that people arrive at such a position on their own? That the material conditions in the West are deteriating at such a speed that many would tolerate harm wrought in defense of their family and kin?

It is a position as old as time.

>>20465166
>I dont visit /pol/
You had a filename literally titled "pol-33"

>>20465177
There are reposts all over this site. I have half my stuff from /out/ or /x/, even from other sites.

>>20465241
And yet you chose to name it pol-33.

>>20465241
polfag trying to explain how he's not a polfag

one more chart I made

Time to fill my HD of book I will not read.

>>20464158
I am not

>check one chart
>check another
>and another one
>mfw 100+ ebooks (before you go full schizo, the ones I haven't found I will buy and then the ones I liked) to read
What do, where do I start

>>20465776
With the Greeks.

>>20456911
Which goosebumps? Also is Whitney Ryan a tranny I never wanted to look it up.

>>20447476
This is such a shitty fucking list
>props up total pesuds like Spengler, Uncle Ted, and Junger and over fucking Deleuze, Blumenberg, Simondon, not even any mention of Virilio, Baudrillard, or more contempt work
>Has a clear fash interest but goes for memes over Futurist works

>>20463688
They do, they promote active environmentalism. Which has literally never not resulted in either a neutral or bad outcome.

>>20463728
>is told
>ignores it
...no shit? Maybe try showing it, proving it, even MAKING A FUCKING ARGUMENT FOR IT.
You don't just tell people shit and expect them to accept it you fucking retard.

>Refuses to accept that sense of ownership and belonging is directly linked to the chances it will be sustainably care for.
Tell me again how bad capitalism is.

>>20465166
>bike laying on the ground instead of leaning up against something or using a kickstand
>demonstrating dogshit axe technique
Good words, bad image.

>>20444418
Rollfag

>>20466447
>Tell me again how bad capitalism is.

Economy predicated on consuming means we must keep consuming. Movies, goyslop, goyslurp, latest bauble and toy that fills a brief spark of novel amusement then dies. Autarky of any kind becomes impossible. And, as time marches on, people become conditoned to a prison they no longer mind, they know they are in one, it is nor gilded or comfortable, it is barren of meaning and purpose, but you get to watch the latest movies and shows.

You do not matter, you will be replaced by a better consumer.

>>20466479
>ownership good
>consuming bad
Nigger how exactly the fuck do you think people come to own something.
Also, and I honestly should lead with this but I can't be assed. Why are you equating capitalism to consumerism. Take for eaxmple that end goal of marxism. It is literally to have a hyper consumerist culture.
No seriously I'm not going to just let this go, explain yourself.
Why are you equating capitalism to consumerism.

This is literally just "the ideal of your system isn't realized, so we should try to realize the ideal of mine" Except a million times worse because capitalism is one of the only practical philosophies on earth that states in no uncertain terms that an ideal cannot ever be reached. It's literally a foundational principle.

Let me put it this way, the problem with capitalism is that it allows people to create problems and it doesn't try to micro manage solutions. I understand that your contention with capitalism is the freedom it prescribes. But my point is, you're not arguing against that, you're talking about a bunch of other shit that has nothing to do with what you're trying to tackle.

You need to justify authoritarianism. You're not a god, you're not a super intelligent AI, why should we give you authority. And you know damn well I mean the royal you so don't try that.

>>20444418
What happened to this place?

>>20445137
Where's the cathechism of Saint Pius X? That's the best starting point for ignorants.

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>>20447554
Meme ideology.

>>20466479
>You do not matter, you will be replaced by a better consumer.

This is retarded. If an economy is based on consuming then it is a better goal to serve more consumers over better consumers.

>>20448590
Bad movies.

>>20448861
This Sam Harris's "Moral Landscape" is pathetic. Atheists cannot have objective moral values.

>>20466514
>Why are you equating capitalism to consumerism. Take for eaxmple that end goal of marxism. It is literally to have a hyper consumerist culture.
>No seriously I'm not going to just let this go, explain yourself.
>Why are you equating capitalism to consumerism.

Every Western Liberal Democracy has an economic system that, at its foundation, is built on the premise that people buying and selling products and services. That is it. The more goods and services we sell to each other, the better the economy. This is basic consumerism. The more you consume, the strong the economy. Contrast this with the less people consume, the weaker the economy.

This places us in the unwelcome position of incentivising all manner of disgusting behavior. As fat, couch-surfing, diabetic who is unable to produce anything themselves is a perfect consumer. While also dying earlier, if left unattended, with continual intervention they can prolong the life/suffering or a 300 pound person far beyond the norm and extract every red cent from them. This should be repugnant, but it has become normalized in the same way that eating natural and healthy is no longer the norm.

>Let me put it this way, the problem with capitalism is that it allows people to create problems and it doesn't try to micro manage solutions. I understand that your contention with capitalism is the freedom it prescribes
Every system allows for this. The problem here is that it is happening at all times at all levels of society. Profit above all. Capitalism at the local and mid level is unbeatable at raising living standards and decreasing povery. But now we are seeing the opposite, as the acquistion of capital overrides all over concerns. Family, loyalty, kinship, culture, heritage. All are erasee by the societal drive for capital.

The mindset of if i stay late and miss the growth of my boy, i will make up for it in his later years or that both mother and father need to work ans pay a stranger to raise your child is the only result of this system.

>>20466846
Myopia is the curse of ages

>>20466804
>This is retarded. If an economy is based on consuming then it is a better goal to serve more consumers over better consumers

Replace inefficient consumers with efficient consumers. Build society around the premise that one must he plugged in fully to get ahead in life.

>>20466861
I hope you can gain perspective, friend.

>>20466879
Are the words you need to take to heart, grow up.

>>20466884
What have i written that you disagree with?

>>20466894
You already know

>>20444418
some nice books on there, but you're mentally retarded if you can't see that it's fake

anyone have the chart of stephensons novels?

>>20466895
I shrewd means to debate, sir.

>>20466906
A debate requires you to not be disingenuous, as you have multiple times refused to stop doing that, this is not a debate.

>>20456526
The eye watches.

>>20466861
>>20466884
>>20466895
>>20466909

>I began to hate them.

>>20466963
Have you considered not being a cunt?

>>20466965
Please put forward a position or reasoning for your antagonism. You are displaying every stereotype here. While you refuse i will no longer engage you, JIDF.

>>20466989
see >>20466514

>>20466989
and is this jew in the room with us right now?

>>20466992
See>>20466846

>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their
dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and
then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played
stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or,
if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes
which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely
different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and
pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about.

>>20467016
>The more I argued with them
You have not argued, you reiterated your point. Learn the fucking difference.
>i am conflating capitalism with consumerism because capitalism is consumerism
Is not a fucking argument. Now post more emotional manipulation and pretend like you're making an intellectual case.