/lit/ - Literature

>>20441425
Stop making this thread.

He killed himself because he knew he was wrong in the end. In the beggining and the end there is no controlling the most basic and powerful and important frequent human activity and experience; eating and fucking, that's all it is, that's all it can ever be; many things to do in between digesting and recharging, but it's all just a waiting game, for the cake, icing, and cherries. But it is a long time of waiting and a lot can be done in that time, so there is everything else in the world besides.

But never achieving the primality if the natural inherent, succumbs to the gravitas, time and time again, of the cosmic call.

And then before you know it it's over, food is finished, sex is done, you are free to wonder the earth in search of long lasting happiness and purpose, but it won't be long, before you are scrambling to return.

But no, but no, if you can resist consistently enough, the baser pleasures of life, you can distract yourself till death with continous mind working activities, and thus the productive world and fun. Oh but yes, the topic at hand, irony and sincerity and what not and what have you.

Yeah yeah, irony and sincerity, things to do, ways to be, in-between eating and fucking, tools to use to try to eat and fuck?

>>20441425
He tried but people insist upon reducing him to sarcasm, irony and cynicism bad when he was really talking about something much larger. We raise our children to seek easy rewards through the empty forms of society, which is not honest or sincere. It is small talk, and giving the response that is expected, and doing what is expected, and opening that jar with the stuck lid for Mom; nothing is accomplished or gained beyond an easy reward; silence is filled, I met expectations, I felt strong for opening a jar she could have just dealt with by running under hot water or denting the corner of the lid with the handle of a butter knife but I used my larger hands and brute force and mom made me feel like a man because I am strong and can do what she, a weak woman, could not do despite it being more an issue of hand size than strength.

Even your post reeks of it, nothing was said beyond "I know something" now agree with me so I can feel smart. How many times have you made this thread now? If you actually understood his point you would be putting in as much time and effort as it took to carefully craft a message with some weight despite knowing that an OP of more that a few dozen words would likely be responded to with "tl;dr" or the entire thing being broken up into isolated points with no concern for context. But you sought the easy reward which the forms of 4chan offer in spades, you did not try and make a meaningful impact on someone, you just want anons to agree or disagree with you so you can feel right or defend your idol against stawmen.

You jumped through that hoop real good OP, have a carrot.

>>20441675
I used to believe this but then I read the Pale King and now I have a different opinion.

>>20441685
What's your new opinion and what did the pale king say to reach you it?

>>20441679
>You jumped through that hoop real good OP, have a carrot.
>he doesn't know

>>20441425
I can’t put my finger on why I hate DFW. He writes in such a condescending MFA style while preaching sincerity. It comes off as pretentious, smarmy and full of himself. It almost feels like he was trying to write for the everyman while sitting on his high horse. It makes his work jarring

>>20441835
You jumped through that hoop real good anon, have a carrot.

>>20441826
The thing about "trying to make the world a better place". Look at videos of areas of NYC in the 70s and 80s, and then now, that area of the world was made better.

Over 100s of years of history areas of the world have been made better places.

Many people are born and live good lives and reproduce and their kids live good lives. Many people have it many good.

The world is not perfect. How imperfect is it. How better could it be. With how much if what efforts by how many, and how long might that last and how many who's to benefit?

If the or a big point of his is that; there is a real difference between areas of the world being in a poor state and better state; and that the youth who has theost power to change the states of the world, is brainwashed or otherwise finds comfort in existing in a realm of irony and sarcasm and intangible unseriousness, then this is bad for the human project of decreasing the existence of bad earthly states while increasing the existence of good.

It's every man for themself, irony and sarcasm is a pleasurable drug, helping others or bettering the world takes lots of effort, and helping others is hurting yourself

>>20441885
>Look at videos of areas of NYC in the 70s and 80s, and then now, that area of the world was made better.
Though besides the crime, everyone says that era was better and cooler

>>20441425
I liked him in You've Got Mail

>>20441675
Sincerely hope this is copy pasta

>>20441685

The thing about "trying to make the world a better place". Look at videos of areas of NYC in the 70s and 80s, and then now, that area of the world was made better.

Over 100s of years of history areas of the world have been made better places.

Many people are born and live good lives and reproduce and their kids live good lives. Many people have it many good.

The world is not perfect. How imperfect is it. How better could it be. With how much if what efforts by how many, and how long might that last and how many who's to benefit?

If the or a big point of his is that; there is a real difference between areas of the world being in a poor state and better state; and that the youth who has theost power to change the states of the world, is brainwashed or otherwise finds comfort in existing in a realm of irony and sarcasm and intangible unseriousness, then this is bad for the human project of decreasing the existence of bad earthly states while increasing the existence of good.

It's every man for themself, irony and sarcasm is a pleasurable drug, helping others or bettering the world takes lots of effort, and helping others is hurting yourself

Bump

>>20441425
>Tried to save us
>But couldn't

>Was a skilled writer
>Had no practical skills

>>20441842
I also experience such problems when reading him. I read tons of DeLillo, but DFW makes me bail.

>>20442801
Your point?

>>20442871
Direct correlation between
>skilled & tried to save
and
>couldn't save & no practical skills

>>20442910
>if he could have only started a fire by rubbing two sticks together he could have taught the world sincerity!

>>20442941
K fine don't expand your horizons.

>>20442966
That makes no sense.

>>20442801
I think most people that write philosophically, especially on their dissatisfaction with the world, don't have many "practical" skills
The ones that did other things and weren't merely affluent decadents are few and far in between like Weil, unless you also count politicians and revolutionaries that dabbled in writing like Hitler or Mao
I dont really understand the point you're trying to make outside of "writer useless whiner" like having a practical trade would have done anything to change or amplify a message

>>20441425
Was it autism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqmIAbHXr0Y&ab_channel=MeganBoyle

>>20441675
Start with the Gospels

>>20441425
I've been intrigued by this guy for a long time, but the apparent disconnect between his image and the way he died always puts me off.

Guess he's the only writer that's filtered me without even reading him.

I don't know why but this dude just looks like an absolute loser, I mean every time I see pictures of him wearing that bandana to cover his baldness, what a sad pathetic little man

confirmed by >>20443537, this guy sounds like an absolute moron

>>20443537
Holy fucking shit I need to go to therapy

>>20441675
your mom succumbed to my gravitas last night

>>20441842
>>20442836
>hate him he seems like a fraud
No shit. Three words
>good
>old
>neon

>>20441643
fpbp
fuck off op

>>20443172
Well, they should stop fucking talk about it so much and start practicing. That's why philosopher/writers are useless. All talk, no walk

>>20443678
the purpose of the bandana was to keep his brains from spilling out retard

>>20441643
fpbp

Found this searching for the Bloom quote. Saddest thing i have ever seen

>>20441685
maybe attempting to write pale king led to his suicide?

y'all are going, right?

>>20444918

Pretty sure its believed that he killed himself as he stopped taking his medication, that he'd been on for over two decades,and then when he tried to take it again it wasn't as effective as before.

>>20444953
Coming off antidepressants is bad enough, but benzodiazepines in conjunction probably were what really did it. He had clonazepam in his system which absolutely can make a depressive lose the fear of self termination

>>20445051
He was not coming off it, he had been off the Nardil for over a year. Nardil has a quirk in that if you ever stop taking it there is a good chance it will not work if you decide to resume it. He got fed up with the side effects of the Nardil and took the risk of trying some of the new drugs on the market. They did not work, the Nardil no longer worked, spent that year trying most everything he could right up to ECT.

David Poptart Walnuts

>>20445100
Well, he solved it in the end.

>>20445100
"Coming off" in the sense of stopping antidepressants at all, not actively being in the process of reducing dosage or in the throes of cold turkey SSRI withdrawal. Doesn't change that he had benzos in his tox report and that benzos carry increased risk of suicidal thought and behavior in depressives

>mfw I just finished reading A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again last night to my wife and now she wants to read more of him

Just finished Infinite Jest.
AMA

>>20444953
>medication, that he'd been on for over two decades,and
Damn that's how he wrote so much and so good, he was taking performance enhancing drugs the whole time

>>20445527
did you consider the lobster

>>20445527
did u rike it?

>>20441425

>>20447962
who wrote thsi

>>20441842
But isn't this why people read him? He is actually an elitist so he should also sound like one.

>>20448707
Why dyu ask?