/lit/ - Literature

>>20416654
start with the greeks

>>20416654
>I think I'm anarchist
How about stop being a financial parasite on your upper middle class parents

>>20416658
and what next?

>skinnyfat
>flabby arms
>saggy tits
>man face
>tattoos
>SOYA
>rag on floor
>pink hair
>dirty counter

>>20416660
I like the notion of anarchism but not in a "fuck the society, let's burn down the cities" kinda way, but anarchism in which human dignity is respected and people are trying to be excellent but basically there's no rules n shit

>>20416674
lmfao, what an idiot

>>20416674
you have the political ideology of a three year old. focus on graduating middle school first.

>>20416690
>>20416818
seethe

>>20416674
>human dignity is respected and people are trying to be excellent but basically there's no rules n shit
How old are you?

>>20416654
You can't be anarchist if you believe the printing press is anything more than statist propaganda. Do you go to hentai for sex moves? Same thing.

>>20416665
you have never seen a naked woman in real life

>>20416856
>You can't be anarchist if...
who are you to tell me who I can or can't be

>>20416863
The dick girls you masturbate to aren't actually women, anon.

>>20416654
Get a life

>>20416654
Bakunin.

Also Engel's "on authority" gets thrown at every anarchist alive, so i guess read it as a counterpoint.

>>20416674
>in which human dignity is respected and people are trying to be excellent but basically there's no rules n shit
So how do you do that without rules? Rules are just a codification of these moral/social norms

>>20416665
I sort of agree but she's obviously not skinnyfat.

>>20416674
are you legitimately underage or very uneducated? is this seriously how you think?

>>20416870
who are you to tell yourself who you can or can't be?

Absolutely terrible thread that could’ve been solved with a google search, only replying in it to say this is probably the lowest tier and ugliest woman I’ve seen a coomer post here, OP should wonder if he’s an anarchic or if he’s just sexually attracted to that brand of ugly.

>>20416654
you sound like a retard OP, but try reading The Unique and Its Property by Stirner and if you are disgusted by the inherent nihilism of his philosophy, then anarchism is not for you

>>20416654
Every single political book you can get your hands on, and scrutinizing everything you can.

the way people vote in democracies has taught me all i need to know about anarchism

>>20417028
Stirner was a crypto-fascist

>>20416665
Have sex bro

>>20416654
>I think I'm anarchist
There's two kinds of anarchist.
Do you hate the current order?
Or do you hate order as such?

>>20416674
>but basically there's no rules n shit
That's the libertarian utopia;
>if everyone just respected each others property, we wouldn't need rules!
That's not anarchist.

>>20416665
Incredibly based

There is no truer maxim than might is right.

>>20416863
not him, but nothing gets my cock softer than a naked chick covered in tatts. mind you i'm talking about when the shit is absolutely everywhere. and it's always 90% pseud-garbage and products of viral marketing. it's like trying to fuck a car bumper covered in mildly humorous stickers. the saddest part is it's the norm now not the exception. i just want my sweet velvet flesh. blemishes and bruises not bart simpson and potpourris

In order to become an anarchist you need to read the classic works of political philosophy first to double check if you haven't missed anything.
>Plato's Republic
>Aristotle's Politics
>Machiavelli
>Hobbes' Leviathan
>Locke's Second Treatise
>The Social Contract by Rousseau
>The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx
Then when you have read all these and have confirmed that all of the greatest political thinkers in history were morons with an agenda, then you can have a right to say you are an anarchist.
Then you can graduate to big boy shit like Kropotkin and Graeber.

>>20417749
Once you read all this, you’ll realize that you’re a weak little nerd and I could stuff you into a locker if i wanted to. Faggot.

>>20417780
Your favorite writer is probably some woke liberal postmodern faggot who is either an alcoholic or killed himself. I'll be just fine.

>>20416654
Why do 70% of girls have this same shitshow of random gross black tattoos all over them? Like sure there are girls with sleeve tattoos or whatever, but that's the exception not the rule. Most girls have these random fucking tattoos splattered all over them, always in the same dark color. They never mean anything, they never match each other, you ask them why they got one in particular and they shrug and don't know what to say. They just look like absolute shit, like these cunts got tattoos in the most absolutely unaesthetic way possible. I've never seen a girl with tattoos like this and thought she wouldn't look better without them. It's on the same level as wrinkles except no bitch is stupid enough to voluntarily get wrinkles.

Bakunin, Stirner, Malatesta, Goldman Berkman
There’s lots to explore though.

>>20417021
You suck

>>20417507
What democracy, what votes?

>>20417732
Nonsense. A baby can push the button that wipes out an army.

>>20416654
I’d hit it. Trashy girls are fun once in a while

Desert by Anonymous
Days of War, Nights of Love by CrimethInc
Evasion by Mack Evasion

>>20416654
the libertarian manifesto

>>20417909
That's a mighty baby then. Power takes many forms.

>>20416654
>I think I'm anarchist
post tits

>>20416654
>>20416674
Everyone's making fun of OP, but no one is actually explaining why he's wrong.

I'll tell you why I believe you're wrong, OP:

Your view contains many misconceptions, you believe that society is the root of human mistreatment, but that's false. You're essentially believing in the myth of the noble savage ; It's the idea that humans are by nature good and compassionate, but are corrupted by society. While it is true that society corrupts people in many ways, it is naive to assume that society makes humans bad, in reality society and education reduce a lot of hostile behaviours. If you've ever seen very young kids, especially boys, a lot of them kick and bite eachother all the time. Even the most violent of adults do not behave that way. Social encounters, authority and rules at a young age make people less aggressive, not more.
Then, a world without a complex set of societal rules is impossible, and if the anarchist had any sense, they'd know that.
Societies are organic and natural processes, no one decided one day that we would have rules and leader, they just naturally appeared because they are necessary, because people have conflicting interests all the time. And unless you society is the size of a small village, you won't be able to content everyone (and even then, you probably won't either)
Let's say your neighborhood wants to park in front of your house, which is on a public road, but you really do not like that.
Well, there are rules that allow your neighbor to park his car there, you may not like it, but sometimes rules act in your favour, they don't work against you by design, it's just that in this instance they did, and yes, it's frustrating.
Now, despite the existence of rules allowing your neighbor to park there, you are absolutely free to ask him not to park there, and if you do it right, chances are he'll simply consider your point of view and park elsewhere. You see even with rules, negociation is possible very often, rules and laws aren't always blocking your array of choices.
Now let's say that the man refuses. What would happen then? Well you either break the law and prevent him from parking there, or you threaten/fight him. That probably won't end well for you, as society is protecting his right to park there, and most importantly, his right for safety (stable and well developed societies do)

1/2

>>20418490
2/2

Now let's simply assume that we live in an anarchist society, and the guy is a real cunt, he decided to park his car literally in the middle of your backyard, because he just like it there. Well if he's bigger and stronger than you, you're fucked. Or you'll have to escalate violence and call other people to help you, or even use weapons.
And if you damage his car, he'll fuck you up. And nobody will be here to help you, no police to call, you're on your own.
See why that wouldn't work on a large scale?
Sure, if we were all sensible and nice and compassionate, it could work in theory, but even the nicest person gets into conflicts or feels wronged some times, it's a nonsensical idea to destroy laws and rules, they are mostly there to ensure everything works smoothly.
Now it doesn't mean that all laws are good and worth keeping, some are borderline retarded, some are unjust, but they can always be reformed.
Even uncontacted tribes in the middle of the Pacific Ocean have rules, cultural customs are hierarchies of power. Why do you think that is?

>>20417809
>Classical writers
>Postmodern
The absolute intellectual state of anarchists, everyone.

>>20418497
>Why do you think that is?
Patriarchal domination based on masculine conspiracies and mansplaining culture.

>>20418497
Lots of rumbling idiocy.
Your (fake) concerns have been addressed by anarchists of all denominations because they are freaking obvious to even as retarded people as you.
You may not agree with particular proposed solutions but wasting so much space on nothing shows that you haven't familiarized yourself with even a freaking anarchism leaflet in you life. Why fucking even open your mouth.

>>20418518
Then explain exactly why my concerns are wrong, instead of name calling me.
You're probably not going to respond, or you're going to say "it's no use, you won't understand" or "I don't want to waste my time"

Truth is, your 14 year old stoner ideology isn't able to refute those extremely simple points.

>>20418553
The OP has (wisely) asked for a book. And not a paragraph or meme on an image board.

>>20418566
Kek, exposing intellectual frauds like you really is a walk in the park.

Communism, Anarchism are just contrarian ideologies held by people who want to feel special while having no traits that make them unique or useful enough for society to waste time on them.

>>20418580
No. Hey, I know. You should read some of the recs made ITT so you’ll know how wrong you are and not make such a fool of yourself again.

>>20418497

>>20416654
i think u gay
no books needed

>>20418506
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I once equate the two?

>>20416654
>he didn't read crimethinc as a teen
>he didn't go to anarchist bookfairs in the early 2000s
>he didn't read slug and lettuce and maximum rnr
>he didn't publish his own punk fanzines with photocollages and typewriter text

>>20416654
A book about easy ways to kys. Also you have to be 18 to post here.

>>20416665
Bless you for having standards.

>>20418490
You have many misconceptions on the theories of anarchism.
Unjustifiable hierarchies are in fact the root cause of much suffering. There’s enough to worry about without the unnecessary systems set up to aggrandize and coddle the so-thought mighty.
The myth of the noble civilized man lights your blurry head. These people are quite often are the ancestors of fugitive slaves and conscripts. The natural urge is to escape the urban hellhole, the monocultural food production and the plagues they breed. “Savage” is as much your fairytale of them as the “noble” is of your own.
>b-b-but boys bite each other
Read some Ted, for crying out loud. So ignorant of what you’re even trying to debate.

>>20416654
Every anarchist is just a confused fascist.

>>20418777
>777
Explain what you mean, Jesus.

>>20418782
4chan itself is a great example what happens when you leave a liberal anarchists society alone it turns to a right wing society by itself. Leftoids on the otherhand cannot function in a society where they are questioned which is why there is much censorship. Is what he means.

>>20418782
Mussolini was once a lefty, but threw a fit with how long it was taking, so he decided to go the exact opposite direction and rejoin the capitalists in the exploitation of man.
Anon doesn’t understand anything either.

>>20418786
>liberal anarchists
Oxymoron.
You mean when moot lets a bunch of rightwingers take over? The board harbors these idiots, sure. What about the firmly left leaning? They didn’t just flip sides
Liberal censorship of their funding nazis. Right. Liberals aren’t leftists. Fascism is liberalism in decay. Not anarchism

>>20416674
Read Nietzsche and be a Chad Aristocratic Anarchist

>>20418799
>moot lets a bunch of rightwingers take over?
>t.newfag
He shut down the most right wing extremist board but at the same time wanted to keep up the free unfiltered speech on the entire site which defeats his purpose you cant have it both ways. You look at societies in history facists military governments are quite a natural thing and all the great empires started out as facists
>Rome
>Persia
>Mongols
etc..
>The board harbors these idiots.
Yeah buddy i have seen r*ddit/leftypol and you leftoids arent really in a positions to be calling anyone idiots.

>>20418799
>Oxymoron.
Platonically, yeah maybe. But you should remember that people exist prior to ideology, and people are muddled and confused and contradictory. "Liberal Anarchist" perfectly tracks with a certain kind of muddled, confused, and contradictory matrix of belief that is popularly held by people in the anglosphere.

>>20416674
>human dignity
>respected
>anarchism
Come on now

>>20418851
I'd say there is more dignity in doing as one pleases than in licking boots, but maybe that's just me.

>>20418787
>the exact opposite direction
it was a development in the same direction. anarchists already support petty nationalism and capitalism (except they like to delude themselves about the latter because they don't understand the first thing about capital)
>>20418799
lmao anarchists are ultraliberals. their entire basis is the moralistic exaltation of liberal ideals like Liberty, Justice, Democracy, the Individual. the only difference is that regular liberals at least partially accept that the realization of those ideals looks like today's society, whereas anarchists are too braindead to even recognize this much, and insist like stubborn children that their actual realization must look like the utopia they've conjured in their head. so they're much more firm believers in the liberal ideals than regular liberals. that's why they're ultraliberals.

>>20418873
I suppose you're right. Still, if you want progress there needs to be some order, not globohomo though.

>>20416654
Gross

>>20417028
Nihilists dont belive in nothing they are trully hollow an egoist in the other hand lives and dies for himself only also Stirner is based

>>20417519
Like where he would have hated nazis because they pledge blind loyalty to the state witch is fake and gay

>>20418953
Stirner doesn’t believe in any fixed concept of self. It is only a tool of language to point to an indescribable nothing from which “he” creates himself.
>>20418957
This is treating the nazis in the abstract. Stirner would have nothing against a fascist that asserts his will over a people for egoistic pleasure.

>>20416658
Lmao

>>20416674

>>20418771
Useless post, not a single point refuted

>>20416674
>anarchism
>but not "let's burn down the cities"
>human dignity is respected
>anarchism
What?

>>20416654
bitch if you're living in a place that nice you're not an anarchist

>>20417909
>Homage to Catalonia
How does this help someone wanting to know about Anarchism? Like how quickly the state reasserts itself and how fleeting the movement is?

>>20416654
>>20416665
For the love of God, read Ellul!

>>20416674
>>20416690
>>20416818
>>20416851
>>20417005
>>20418851
>>20419505
classic examples of degenerate redditors

>>20416674
>I want the benefits of society but none of the responsibility or accountability

>>20416654
don't listen to these trumptards here. move to Christiania in Copenhagen.

>>20419519
No

Anarchism dont work. Once a state of anarchy is established. Rules comes up immediately. chriatiania for example is a so called anarchy town. But immediately there are rules, no hard drugs for example lmao.

>>20416665
Minus the tattoos, pink hair, and drugs, this is how most non-obese women look naked.

>>20418771

Humans cannot feel fulfilled by sitting around only consuming what they need and chilling and being nice. Humans need to build, to destroy, to create, tk feel accomplished, and creating hierarchies (AKA boosting one and one’s own family’s standing against others) is a massive part of the fulfillment drive. Rules, advancements and suffering make us human, and a system that seeks to wipe that and make us into peaceful animals is to lessen us and our very humanity at best, or accelerate the violent chaos part of our drives at the worst.

>>20416674
Is this real?

>>20419722
Shut the fuck up you're exposing yourself you arrogant prick. You remind me of these people who laugh at flatearthers yet they've no clue if and why the earth is spherical and of course they cannot prove this. Just fuck off. No wonder you didn't like the 4th Matrix.

>>20418771
>theories of anarchism.
Nigger how fucking pompous are you? Anarchism = No laws. its literally that simple doesnt need further explaining or any sort of debate or theory, I fucking hate how many r*dditrefugees we now have on this fucking site.

>>20419722
Yeah. There are rules and social customs, but no prisons, no cops, no smug bastards born into riches looking down on you.

>>20419750
>it’s simple
You ignore the books, probably all books, and you end up this stupid. Kys

>>20419784
>You ignore the books, probably all books, and you end up this stupid.Kys
In an anarchist society i would slith your throat and rape ur corpse then piss on ur books because who the fuck is gonna stop me. Refute this, you cant. I wont read your books because i already know from experience of meeting every anarchist they are basically either a teenager or an adult stuck with a teenagers mind. Fucking neck urself doublenigger. You are trying to romanticize the idea of anarchy or make it sound like a complicated system that can actually work, which is very pathetic.

>>20419803

>>20416654
Anarchism is ruined by the likes of you

>>20419515
>the state reasserts itself
That book shows how the traitorous the statist Bolsheviks were. Franco’s a traitor to his state as well. The people wanted a Republic.
>Waaaait it didn’t work before so that means it can’t ever work! Staaaaap!

>>20419469
HAA HAA HAHAHAHHA As stupid and disingenuous as always

>>20418901
Ancaps are liberals not anarchists
They took the name libertarian because of the misuse of the first label. All they want is for capitalism to be freed. Socialism is the shadow critique of liberalism. True the first couple of thinkers, Proudhon, tried to adapt the economics, but most had come to realize state fed on capital. The nature of our imprisonment is complex. You’s is very psychological still. You’re a complete dipshit

>>20419803
In anarchism your momma would have aborted you before you got this miserable and stupid.

>>20418825
Fake post. Wow. Hang your head in shame.

>>20419862
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

>>20419866
>equating leftypol to antifas
Ngmi

>>20416674
>>anarchism in which human dignity is respected and people are trying to be excellent but basically there's no rules n shit
>as if 0.1 seconds after the abolishment of law and order humans wouldn't immediately rape and kill everyone around them and eventually form barbarian raider society

>>20419879
>Being a stupid nigger in denial
ngmi
>>20416674
>t.12 year old

Read Bertrand de Jouvenel

>>20419887
>>Being a stupid nigger in denial
ngmi

>>20419844
We live in an uninterrupted state of nature and you will never ever escape it. Your politics is purely performative.

>>20419906
>>20419887
Downloaded pic rn from leftypol

>>20419912
>He that will teach If hes not an anarchists/leftypol faggot like me he is probably a nazi
Again you really should finish highschool before posting here. Also dialte.

>>20419844
Anarchism is just radical liberalism. You guys are so insecure and obsessed with control and rights that you'd kill millions if it made you feel like the act would make you "free"
You can't even say what freedom means.

>>20419879
That's not even a real antifa post, someone made it as a joke
>Herpes-hiding black lipstick

>>20419923
>>He that will teach If hes not an anarchists/leftypol faggot like me he is probably a nazi
Again you really should finish highschool before posting here. Also dialte.
Also downloaded from leftypol.
Do you actually think leftypol is antifa? Come on, anon... "soros antifa".

>>20418799
>You mean when moot lets a bunch of rightwingers take over?
When did he "let" rightwingers take over and how? Did he fill the modding team with a personal gestapo cabinet to ban all leftists from 4chan? Or are you saying he should've utilized his authority as sovereign of 4chan more and ban rightwingers to own the statists? Will chicken ever taste like chicken again? Or would the world be a better place if you stopped acting like a retard?

>>20419946
>>20419879
>>20419852
>>20419959
>Coping this hard
You faggots remember that shit that happend in Seattle, ''chaz'' or whatever that faggot zone was called. Whent from anarchy to Nigger warlords policing and raping the entire area in literally one day.

>>20419959
Quote fail newfag.

>>20418873
You'd be licking plenty of boots under anarchism, it just wouldn't be governmental boots.
If you believe the world would be sugar and candies without large organised hierarchies of power you are retarded.

>>20419911
Your prison camp isn’t natural. Humans with souls still naturally flee from it. You see some of them here even. They want to go live in the woods and shit. But you’re dead inside and can’t hear me. Good luck waking up man.

>>20419966
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/550762.html
Here you go, anon.
Now get off me fantasizing about trannies.

>>20419945
NO.

I’ve already explained to you. Liberalism is about capitalism. When lefty they invent progressivism or “social-democracy” and they make little reforms to help the little guy. That’s it. That’s all they get.
When liberalism is in crisis it goes full fascist to stomp out the socialist. Understand?

>>20419984
I don't live in a prison camp.

>>20419999
Capitalism doesn't exist. The idea presupposes an antithesis where there is none. There is only good and bad governance

>>20419999
All of your thoughts share their geneology with the same enlightenment liberal thinkers

>>20420000
What do you do for a living?

>>20420014
Wow. Can’t even explain what capitalism is. I’ll bet you don’t even exist. Wo

>>20420029
>this dense
>he’s going to hide behind monarchism next

>>20420031
>What do you do for a living?
What does it matter? You'll just say "durr, jobs are fascist imprisonment."
You will always be forced to labor for something beyond your control. You just hate responsibility and the idea of obeying others. If you don't work, you die

>>20420037
I'm sorry anon, but masturbating to the thought of sucking shadow the hedgehog's dick or mutilating your crotch is not excellence. Man is a political animal.

>>20419639
>Humans need to build, to destroy, to create, tk feel accomplished, and creating hierarchies

Archaic Proto-Human Hominids, yes.

>Humans cannot feel fulfilled by sitting around only consuming what they need and chilling and being nice.

Actually they can. This is the new race of man that is dawning on this ever more perfect world and soon they will out number the destructive and defective Proto-Humans, and come to replace them completely.

>>20420081
Nta. You'll still have hierarchies and through that the state. So long as you have any value at all you automatically sort thing in a hierarchy adhering to saod values. Unless you're an absolute nihilist. Which I doubt. And I doubt humans can feel fulfilled by doing essentially nothing. Maybe such a decadent society might start trying to prick womens breasts with needles for some excitement.

>>20420050
>You just hate responsibility and the idea of obeying others.
No no. That’s not what I’m getting at.
Work exists. Good real necessary work. But this contract with the labor camp that says you can’t live without finding one is not something we sign up for. It’s actually worse than a prison.

>>20420151
A society of perfectly happy humans experiencing pure bliss through direct brain stimulation while perma-dozing in their nirvana-pods(tm) all watched over by machines of loving grace is coming.
I am sure you could go and ooga-booga in the forest about how you are a real human and yell at the animals about hierarchy if you really want.

>>20420159
We don't sign up for anything when we are born. You can't live sithout working even in a hunter gatherer society.
>>20420197
I think the machines will develop intelligence and just kill us of. Nothing human makes it out in the future. For ofcourse, what other species unkowingly thirsts more for its own destruction than you?

Who's to even say AI is possible? Now go be a nihilist somewhere else.

>>20420208
>I think the machines will develop intelligence and just kill us of.

I think you just want that to happen because for you it would be a kind of Justice in accordance to your ethics. Taking your ball and going home, flipping the chessboard. I know your kind, true horror for you is what Mencken called "The Haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun".

>>20420208
>You can't live sithout working even in a hunter gatherer society.
Did you speed read through that? Why do you wanna make me write this again?
>>20420159
>Work exists. Good real necessary work.
So-called “savage” “primitive”, and now even the feudal peasantry are being romanticized, they all didn’t work as hard as the industrialized techno mechanized cubical/assembly line drone. We don’t need a chain of command in the workplace. We never did

>>20419636
that's the problem

hey guys what are we talking abou-
GOOD LORD WHAT IS HAPPENING IN HERE?

>>20419999
>Liberalism is about capitalism.
so is anarchism. anarchists defend private property and market exchange, which with the present level of the development of productive forces means capitalism. the only difference is that anarchists are deluded about being anti-capitalist, whereas honest liberals aren't
>When liberalism is in crisis it goes full fascist to stomp out the socialist.
when capitalism is in crisis anarchists ally with other liberals to defend liberal democracy against fascists and communists. this is a historical fact

>>20416674
>anarchism is when there are no rules

>>20416863
not him, but nothing gets my cock harder than a naked chick covered in tatts. the better the tattos, the harder my dick.

>>20416674
>>20418873
>law and order falls, anarchism is the new rule of law
>"Heh, no more licking those capitalist pigs boots!"
>local warlord takes over your neighbourhood
>you must lick his boots or he will disembowel you and rape your girlfriend
>kills you and rapes her anyway
Truly a utopia

>>20419548
OP here
Yeah that's exactly the kinda anarchism I'm talking about
Not the junkie kind, although I don't mind them, but the free, creative side of it

Anarchism and communism are the ideologies of rich or upper middle class privileged people who have some weird psychological complexes that shepherd them towards these retarded ideologies. They make fundamental mistakes about human nature and then build entire worldviews and dogmas off of their pants-on-head retarded assumptions about the world.

>>20416863
>and that's a good thing

>>20419844
>The people wanted a Republic.
franco literally just held things down and annihilated the genocidal leftist scum then when the time came he passed the government on to a democratic election and spain became a republic

>>20416674
put me in the screencap

>>20421886
Legitimately elected Republican and state socialist (and a handful of anarchists) aren’t “genocidal”. That was Franco and his foreign mercenaries.

>>20421406
Evidently not.
>unlike us cool fascist kods who just want to murder darkies and jews and rape women. * >>20420641

>>20420509
Ancaps aren’t anarchist. Michael Malice isn’t an anarchist. You are the deluded one.
>honest liberals
If liberals were honest they’d reveal to is all how they’re the one shepherding fascism

>when capitalism is in crisis
The socialist movement gains traction. This is why the liberals present them with their attack dogs. These are literally the “warlords” you bring up all the time. You’re deaf dumb and blind.

>>20419784
>There are rules and social customs, but no prisons, no cops
What happens if you break those very rules and customs then? Is there a punishment? Who delivers said punishment?

Against the Day

>>20422786
>>unlike us cool fascist kods who just want to murder darkies and jews and rape women
Delusional. Im not saying I want this to happen, Im saying that's what WILL happen. Shouldn't you be in school?

>>20418799
Marxoid cope

Anyways anarchism is only viable if people agree on an objective moral stance, voluntarily, otherwise it falls apart. Anyways that girl is a mid. Its just the face for me. Body is somewhat ok but brown bag that shit

>>20423334
Rape is an artificially constructed concept.

>>20416654
>Anarchist
>Read
I've met enough anarchists in my time to know better.

wtf is this thread. fuck you op.

aralka aralka wypnij dupe do analka

>>20416674
kek

>>20416674
>people are trying to be excellent but basically there's no rules n shit
>there are people itt defending this

>>20423476
You apparently have not met enough.

>>20423561
Nothing wrong with OP. It’s the casual poltards who know nothing about the topic enquired about that need to fuck off

>>20423764
I humored Proudhon and Tucker for awhile but the fedora tipping of both led me not to pursue anarchism much longer

>>20423764
t. OP

>>20423771
They were early and semi capitalist. You gave up on page one of the preface.

>>20423774
No, but an anarchist. Who reads.

>>20423784
>reading
Then you don't belong here.

>>20423764
>if you point out the flaws in an anarchist 'utopia' you're a /pol/tard

>>20421406
The thread stops here.

>>20423784
I think another reason was encounters with ancomms were unnerving, a lot of them were feminist and rubbed me the wrong way right off the bat. This was 2011

>>20423791
That right there says it all. A Utopian is a piece of fiction.
>>20423794
No, dunce.
>>20423796
You were uncomfortable with men treating women equally? It’s kind of an innocuous thing for most people nowadays.

>>20416654
From your statement here >>20416674 it seems like The Ego and its Own by Stirner would indeed be a pretty go read, as some people mentioned before.

The thing is that "anarchist thinking" is probably way less organized than you expect. As in, in other -isms you usually have the "bibles" where every -ist of that kind reads/agrees, this is way less true for anarchism (which imo is a good thing).

For instance, even though I'm recommending Stirner (and like the work a lot), I wouldn't say anarchists are usually aligned w/ that brand of anarchism (if anything, it served way more to criticize/push forward the kind of thinking).

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full

This is a pretty good FAQ that's been around and updated since forever, you are probably better off reading it than any "book", since you can read through the parts that interest you the most and get pointed to what works talk about that.

For me the authors that I agree the most are Stirner, Kropotikin and Proudhon (the later two mainly because of their view of how an organized bottom-up society would look like). But might not be the case for you.

Also a very common concept among all kinds of anarchists is direct action, and for that you're better off reading stuff from anarchist collectives than any specific book imo (they tend to be more relevant to the current world + is nice to get an idea of what people are actually doing). Like, Kropotikin's stuff on that is nice, but the world is a bit different than 19th century Russia rn.

>>20423830
Yeah I never truly believed the sexes were equal. That goes far back as age 12 for me, which was approximately 1994 judging by my age

>>20416654

The state and hierarchy are intrinsically evil. But my totally-not-a-state form of ruling body is completely different.

t. Every anarchist thinker ever

>>20423897
Based Xennial

>>20418771
>Unjustifiable hierarchies
So this is the power of Chomsky Honks

anarchists be like: people arent fundamentally shit, only the social structures they have been constructing over and over again for the past 5000 years are

>>20416654
Read Stirner
The Kierkegaard of anarchism

>>20418553
>Then explain exactly why my concerns are wrong, instead of name calling me.

not the same person, but I'll bite

you aren't exactly wrong in what you're saying, you are wrong in thinking that what you are debating is "anarchism" in the first place

> And if you damage his car, he'll fuck you up. And nobody will be here to help you, no police to call, you're on your own.

your whole argument seems to be against some "yolo no rules" kind of anarchism, which doesn't exist nor is the goal for any anarchist (maybe for some uninformed punky teenagers that think that's cool, but that's about it; and they aren't usually engaged in anything other than being an edgy persona)

the tldr is more like:
- current society: top-down institutions, having any saying in any decision is extremely difficult,
- anarchist society: organization would be bottom-up; instead of electing some small number of people that control nation-wide institutions, the rules (and institutions) are created by cooperation between people; which leads to way more flexible and easy to adjust rules (where your option to correct some kind of injustice isn't waiting 4 years to vote for someone else that may or may not address that)

you're not "on your own" if the cunt in your example decides to park his car in the middle of your backyard, you are gonna still be held accountable for it
and if we wanna resort to this kind of simplistic argument, one might just say that in our current society, if the right cunt wanna do that, you're actually screwed and on your own (cause gl resorting to any institution if that guy is the son of anyone important)

would that worldview come with its own problems? sure. (many of them are well discussed in anarchist literature btw). but it just isn't what you're debating.

and arguably most of what is discussed within anarchist circles isn't "let's overthrow the government and bring about this worldview", but "how can we work within our system to bring it closer to that idea and push it to be at least a bit more just?"

what you're arguing against is a phantasm

>>20416674
lmao all these replies and this is supposed to be the smart board

>>20423931
only valid memey criticism of actual anarchism in this thread so far desu

>>20423932
yeah, too bad my birth month is in the middle of gay pride month and one day before Juneteenth. fuck I hate nogs and queers

>>20423947
Derrick Jensen's hierarchy of violence concept is pretty legit and was discussed on a blackpill forum (yes an actual message board I post on) however besides that and Ted K's concept of "oversocialization" I find a lot of anprim writings to proceed from Malthus downwards and it just amounts to "have less babies, goyim", the opposite of what I'm trying to achieve with my writings.

>>20423891
thanks
yeah i listened to the ego and his own audiobook a while ago, but not the entire thing, but it still definitely kinda influenced me

also kek at this thread, this is my fourth post itt and I have no idea what those people are arguing about but every day I wake up I laugh at this thread

>>20422819
>Ancaps aren’t anarchist.
I'm not talking about ancaps
>If liberals were honest they’d reveal to is all how they’re the one shepherding fascism
their honesty has its natural limits. I'm not saying it's boundless but that they're honest compared to anarchists. because honest liberals at least they half admit to supporting fascism by admitting they support capitalism, since fascism is a form of government in capitalism. whereas the dishonest liberals, anarchists, won't admit even to that, even though they're just as quick to defend bourgeois democracy as the honest liberals.
>These are literally the “warlords” you bring up all the time.
I never even brought up any warlords. I have no idea what you're talking about
>>20423439
Marxists are the only people who understand that anarchists are liberals. how is the post that starts out with outright denying that "Marxoid cope"?

>>20416665
>doesn't mention the smoking
Physician, gas thyself.

>>20424287
>I'm not talking about ancaps
You clearly are. Or you’re saying that you can’t tell a progressive liberal from a socialist. Or worse, you think anyone with money in their pocket is supporting capitalism. W/e. Doesn’t matter what you think. There’s anticapitalists in this world and they’re anarchists.
>I never even brought up
Many anons use this as a defense against anarchism. Ignore it.

>>20425454
>Or you’re saying that you can’t tell a progressive liberal from a socialist
I literally told you I can perfectly well distinguish a regular liberal from an anarchist ultraliberal. I even described precisely what it is that distinguishes them >>20418901:
>the only difference is that regular liberals at least partially accept that the realization of [liberal] ideals looks like today's society, whereas anarchists are too braindead to even recognize this much, and insist like stubborn children that their actual realization must look like the utopia they've conjured in their head. so they're much more firm believers in the liberal ideals than regular liberals.

>Or worse, you think anyone with money in their pocket is supporting capitalism.
no, but I do think that people whose entire ideology amounts to the worship of the founding principles of bourgeois society and who put forward either petty-bourgeois demands or empty slogans underlied by bourgeois ideology -- that those people actively support bourgeois society. and anarchists are such people
>W/e. Doesn’t matter what you think.
this is the only correct thing you said
>There’s anticapitalists in this world and they’re anarchists.
they are, and anarchists always oppose them with bourgeois ideology and instead help regular liberals achieve their political goals

>>20426864
>no, but I do think that people whose entire ideology amounts to the worship of the founding principles of bourgeois society and who put forward either petty-bourgeois demands or empty slogans underlied by bourgeois ideology -- that those people actively support bourgeois society.
>…and anarchists are NOT such people
Fixed
> they are, and anarchists always oppose them with bourgeois ideology and instead help regular liberals achieve their political goals
So you can admit there are anticapitalists, but you can’t see them through all the gaggle of misled teens on their psyop peace marches. You’re losing it.
>bourgeois ideology!
Meaning… you’re looking at misled teenager on their psyops peace marches.
See this guy? Doesn’t matter what he calls himself
He’s a liberal

Most of you guys are just fucking clueless retards with monkey-level of understanding of a modern, civilized word. Reading too much of an another, famous, clues 19-th century idiot might have something to do with it.
Capitalism means that you may get rich by supplying value to the other members of the society. Like producing tasty mayonnaise, bright red shirts, or what-the-fucking-ever - if it's only deemed worthy by other people making free, independent decisions. While also offering them the possibility of joining you in this enterprise on mutually agreed terms.
OP - we, anarchocapitalists, want the above - purely voluntary and peaceful - mode of organization of the society to be the _only_ possibility of getting ahead in this world. No fucking gaberments or wanna-be rulers pretending that they know better than you (and charging a hefty price for their destructive, unwanted "services"), and no fucking thieves thinking that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor. Look at the mirror, think who you are, and if you'll find that you are a normal, healthy human being then The Libertarian Manifesto will not be wasted on you.

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>>20416654
There is no one single author for anarchism, it’s a complicated and old way of thinking (much more ancient than people realize) but here are some of the biggest and most popular anarchist thinkers in no particular order.
>Proudhon (first person to call himself an anarchist property is robbery profit is theft)
>Bakunin (communist anarchist who was a big opponent of marx in his day and caused a major ideological split among the socialists of the 19th century)
>Kropotkin (wrote the conquest of bread, one of the most famous books within libleft circles)
>Tolstoy (Christian Anarchist from Russia)
And here are some good Wikipedia articles for you. The first in my opinion is the most important to read if you want to understand the different types of anarchist thought.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_schools_of_thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid_(organization_theory)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_law

I also recommend studying the different forms of communist thought as well, because for the most part the majority of anarchists and communists believe in the same things but without the totalitarian ML transition state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Most people are anarchists at heart, and would identify as such if they knew what it really was, it’s just that their mind is poisoned by statist brainwashing.

>>20416654
There is no one single author for anarchism, it’s a complicated and old way of thinking (much more ancient than people realize) but here are some of the biggest and most popular anarchist thinkers in no particular order.
>Proudhon (first person to call himself an anarchist property is robbery profit is theft)
>Bakunin (communist anarchist who was a big opponent of marx in his day and caused a major ideological split among the socialists of the 19th century)
>Kropotkin (wrote the conquest of bread, one of the most famous books within libleft circles)
>Tolstoy (Christian Anarchist from Russia)
And here are some good Wikipedia articles for you. The first in my opinion is the most important to read if you want to understand the different types of anarchist thought.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_schools_of_thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid_(organization_theory)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_law

I also recommend studying the different forms of communist thought as well, because for the most part the majority of anarchists and communists believe in the same things but without the totalitarian ML transition state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Most people are anarchists at heart, and would identify as such if they knew what it really was, it’s just that their mind is poisoned by statist brainwashing.

>books
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_about_anarchism

>>20417507
What democracies?

>>20418697
It is order within chaos

>>20416654
Depends what kind of anarchist but you might like The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin if you're a left-anarchist. It's fiction which I think is more digestible than a non-fiction text like a manifesto or an essay

>>20424287
Marxists are just shabbos goy that resent wealth and the lack of status they have in society. Most anarchist thinkers were highly anti-Semitic, and the only reason why Marxists hate anarchists because they called out their Judaism and support of centralization of banking so that Jews can leech off of usury. Marxists are libs, and Anarchists are largely libs too because they adopted their methods of replacing skills and wealth with meekness and vitcim hood. Anarchists used to be Junger's Anarch - self reliant creators of their own destiny. Not trannies who need help, like you all the time, to feel accepted in life.
These days, the only anarchists worth any metal are the post-left, anti-civ types that hate negros and hate people like you.

>>20429556
go shoot up a grocery store already or just kill yourself. your unreadable schizo ranting doesn't contribute anything