/lit/ - Literature

>>20375212
All nihilists are.
They think no God = no morality = no human rights = I should be in charge
Of course they are wrong, there is a God, there is objective morality, human rights should be respected and democracy is always preferable

>>20375229
>All nihilists are.
I’ve seen plenty of leftist nihilists talk about social constructs and why this means we should abolish gender roles and private property.

>>20375212
Must be since Beckett ended their friendship by calling Cioran an authoritarian fascist

Yes, in the '30s he was a Romanian fascist. More heterodox than the rest of the crowd he hung around with, a mix of simultaneously more edgy sometimes (explicitly praising Hitler) while also being less edgy (because more of a soul-searching modernist poet type). There were more "programmatic" and less ironic/aloof Iron Guard supporters than him, mostly because he was an aesthete and was just prone to being less programmatic in general. But for the same reason he was prone to rhetorical exaggeration and making big flashy statements like the Hitler praise.

All in all, pretty standard fascist supporting modernist/bohemian. If you know Yeats and Pound and their relationship, then Cioran was more like Yeats in how explicitly and prosaically politicized he got (somewhat rarely/not very) but more like Pound in just plain being a fascist. Just unlike Pound in being explicitly, no-nonsense, prosaically politically pro-fascist. He maintained his aristocratic poet's aloofness more like Yeats.

The way I would describe Cioran is that he took it for granted that the fascist revolution was underway. He could be critical of it and, being an aesthete, he would never identify himself entirely with anything because its mundaneness would drag down that right of the poet to aloofness and "above it all"-ness. But he also was not at all "critical" of it in the sense of, say, Eugene Ionesco.

>>20375212
What's a fascist anyway? In the 1930s, the term was somewhat defined. I'm not sure what it means now. Usually, people understand fascist as something like "far-right" and "right-wing authoritarianism." Even though "right" is completely ambiguous, especially in the United States. People believe that capitalism is "right-wing," even though capitalism is completely revolutionary and breaks down all things fixed and sacred.
>>20375229
All nihilists are fascists? Then what explains communists? Is fascism an atheistic political form? Fascist writers

>>20375262
Based. Thanks.

>>20375275
>communists
I would define communists as atheists and not nihilists, although the term, like fascism, is somewhat vague.

>>20375229
bait

>>20375229
> nihilism
> fascism = no morals and no human rights
Go back
Fascism is not nihilistic, and you don't know what either of them are in the first place.

>>20375238
Source on that? I know about Cioran's past. But never came across that.

>>20375348
We fascists are the only true nihilists, naturally, once we're masters of the state. In fact, the one true nihilism is that of power.

>>20375212

Cioran was a fascist sympathizer in his younger years, but later in life he rejected this earlier position. Not because he became a good person and saw the light, but rather because he concluded that since life is meaningless, all polititcal persuasions are equally pointless and futile.

Probably the best English language source for the details on all this is: Marta Petreu, "An Infamous Past: E.M. Cioran and the Rise of Fascism in Romania". I don't find any immediate indications that Petreu is a jewess, but it wouldn't surprise me.

>>20375391

Hm, was that Baudelaire, or Nietzsche? :^)

>>20375285
Communist is a far more understandable and definable term than fascist.

>>20375486
>Not because he became a good person and saw the light, but rather because he concluded that since life is meaningless, all polititcal persuasions are equally pointless and futile.
This make sense. I prefer On the Heights of Despair Cioran with all his Dionysian pessimism, contradictions and grandeur. Nihilists that vegetate are wholly uninteresting.

>>20375212
>Was Cioran a fascist?
No

>>20375275
>All nihilists are fascists? Then what explains communists?
What exactly do you think nihilism is?

>>20375229
God doesn't aprove of democracy and human rights is a secular idea to replace the divine with humanity.

>>20375236
>not talking about abolishing women

>>20375490
No, it's not Nietzsche or Baudelaire, nor possibly Saint Paul. It's Dada.

>>20375212
Politically - no.

Philosophically - yes.

Most actual fascists are the opposite.

>>20375236
Zizek calls Battalie, Deluze and the other PoMo's fascistic and easily applied to brutal fascist morality.

>>20375212
Can some fellow pessimists please tell me how you handle the conclusion of Cioran, Zapffe, Schopenhauer and co.? Suicide doesn't seem to be a permanent solution and these guys sometimes recommend the aesthetic lifestyle. I would like to know how you guys implement that? Just reading other books?