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Anonymous Sat May 14 07:05:46 2022 No.20367780 [Reply] [Original]

I want to explore the "philosophy" of agriculture, throughout history. I don't know how to explain it, really. The "why" along with the "how", I guess. Here's an excerpt from De Re Rustica of Columella:

>One who devotes himself to agriculture should understand that he must call to his assistance these most fundamental resources: knowledge of the subject, means for defraying the expenses, and the will to do the work. For in the end, as Tremelius remarks, he will have the best-tilled lands who has the knowledge, the wherewithal, and the will to cultivate them. For the knowledge and willingness will not suffice anyone without the means which the tasks require; on the other hand, the will to do or the ability to make the outlay will be of no use without knowledge of the art, since the main thing in every enterprise is to know what has to be done — and especially so in agriculture, where willingness and means, without knowledge, frequently bring great loss to owners when work which has been done in ignorance brings to naught the expense incurred.

So any other recommendations? I'm trying to start a community gardening project where I live. I just want to get a deeper understanding so I can convince people this is important for them and their community.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:07:02 2022 No.20367782 Hesiod's work and days perhaps? And Xenophon's oeconomicus

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:09:08 2022 No.20367787 >>20367782 Awesome, thanks anon. /lit/ is so much better than /his/ lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:10:49 2022 No.20367794 >>20367780 when I was a kid our village had a community garden I and other kids would often steal from it or ruin peoples plants because we knew who they belonged to and didn't like them be ready for your project to be ruined by children

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:12:40 2022 No.20367797 >>20367794 errant hands of children stripping leaves concerns me not

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:13:06 2022 No.20367798 >>20367794 Just have them flogged

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:15:14 2022 No.20367800 File: 483 KB, 1200x507, caterpillar.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20367780 i want eat more ahah

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:23:23 2022 No.20367828 >>20367794 >ruining food in a 3rd world village And they didn't beat your ass?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:25:20 2022 No.20367838 >>20367780 Cato and Varro on Agriculture

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:27:50 2022 No.20367843 >>20367780 Wendell Berry and if you want to go the Traditionalist route - Walter James, aka Baron Northbourne

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:35:09 2022 No.20367863 >>20367843 >Wendell Berry This is perfect. What a kind smile he has. =] Anything specific from him?

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Anonymous Sat May 14 07:48:48 2022 No.20367898
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>>20367843
>>20367863
Not that anon and I have no specific book on agriculture to suggest. I would suggest you check out the blog Front Porch Republic. They’re a localist + communitarian blog I frequent, and the authors often cite Wendell Berry approvingly. They don’t have any books on agriculture per se in their FPR books website, but if you want that “return to land” vibe there are other books you might want to check out like pic related that they sell (I’ve never read this book but it’s on my list). Plus, if farming is the topic you’re only interested in, I’m sure you can turn up something quickly if you poke around they’re blog as they review books often. I’m sure they’ve touched on agriculture before, but I can’t recall anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:50:08 2022 No.20367900 >>20367780 Skim this one The Man Who Fed the World (It's Norman Borlaug and chemical fertilizer)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:51:05 2022 No.20367905 File: 3.62 MB, 1024x1574, 2138ED65-BC1C-456B-ADC0-5A36DCEF52C4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20367898 Also I have this /lit/ chart too lol

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Anonymous Sat May 14 07:57:08 2022 No.20367928

>>20367898
Based. Seems like a great resource. Thanks, my friend.
>>20367905
>ecophilosophy
Ah, yes, that's the google search term I've been waiting for. Fuck yea. Going to finish putting in my hugelkultur this morning and get going on it. Stay based, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 08:06:35 2022 No.20367948 there's a nice bit about agricultural societies in Patocka's heretical essays Babylonia as one big household concerned with the immediate preservation of itself, anhistorically

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 08:20:00 2022 No.20367986 >>20367900 Green Revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race and nonhuman animals and the whole ecosystem

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 08:30:07 2022 No.20368010 File: 19 KB, 442x327, IMG_20220511_183512_725.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can recomend you about Olivier de Serres, Albert Howard, Marie Monique Robbin or Tommy Hemminway Can I get your Pepe?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 08:33:01 2022 No.20368018 >>20367780 A new nobility of blood and soil By Walther Darre

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 08:34:35 2022 No.20368021 File: 35 KB, 450x250, +_b8156c31a2ad2f0b8ab5f2042fde10a9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20367780 Stoner

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 09:15:19 2022 No.20368111 >>20367780 start with the greeks

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 09:45:42 2022 No.20368185 >>20368111 >I don't know just get the fucking food from Egypt. -The Greeks

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 10:32:55 2022 No.20368319 File: 50 KB, 382x573, AgainstTheGrain-JamesScott-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 11:34:18 2022 No.20368466 File: 315 KB, 800x500, image-asset (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20367794 t. pic related

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 11:57:28 2022 No.20368532 >>20368111 They're pretty sexist!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 13:51:26 2022 No.20369025 File: 116 KB, 1080x780, IMG_20220514_194934_664.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20368319 unironically based

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Anonymous Sat May 14 15:04:05 2022 No.20369308

>>20367780
I’ve been reading this Christian book from the 1960s that my late grandpa passed on to me and it’s really thought provoking, almost gnostic at times saying the kingdom of heaven is within and the holy spirit is in all of us and stuff. It claims all disease is caused by unhealthy thinking and that through the power of Jesus all disease can be healed. I look around at people today and they are constantly worried and anxious about things that don’t even matter, like who gives a fuck about war in other countries or what celebrities are doing or who is president? People always have their minds elsewhere, either in the past, in the future, cursing others in faraway lands, cursing their past and worrying about what hasn’t even happened yet. I believe cities with their nonstop media over saturation and advertising and radio and television have removed the spirit of man from his body completely, making them essentially walking dead. Just as a corpse in the ground decays because the spirit is absent, so does the walking corpse in his every day life slowly rot away.

If people would believe in themselves, God, and actually bother to be present in the moment and in their bodies, a lot of this sickness would go away. It’s not the cities themselves per se, but the negative attitudes that a city fosters in its inhabitants 24/7. Birds live in our cities and they are happier and healthier than we are because they don’t stew in negativity all day long.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 15:29:50 2022 No.20369412 >>20367863 Read the Unsettling of America. I was born an urbanite but I think Old America died with the death of the small family farm.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 15:32:03 2022 No.20369430 >>20368319 Great book. Just picked up Seeing Like a State by him as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 20:43:48 2022 No.20370512 >>20367780 Virgil’s Georgic’s Virgil is philosophy as spectacle

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 20:50:22 2022 No.20370529 File: 2.36 MB, 3024x4032, 31043635248.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fascinating book Also https://counter-currents.com/2021/06/richard-bushman-american-farmer/

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Anonymous Sat May 14 21:17:16 2022 No.20370595

>>20367780
Why? Seriously? To produce a steady supply of food, to harvest biological materials derived from flora, and to aid in settlement.

How? For this you'd want to look into selective breeding, developing farmland/fertile soil, climate cycles, weather patterns, flowering cycles of differing flora and their nutritional needs, local pollinators, harmful insects and their natural predators, invasive plants and fungus, and preservation techniques.

Outside of that, based on your quote, it seems you more like the idea of agriculture and those who live by it rather than actual mastery of agricultural processes and its fruits.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 21:36:45 2022 No.20370634 There are a lot of interesting biodynamic farming communities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture Some of the more interesting and serious self-sustainers I've known have lived on them.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 21:41:45 2022 No.20370643 >>20367780 Just a friendly reminder the Roman agriculturist authors, except maaaybe Cato, did no actual farming or physical labor, they did estate management and business.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 21:45:05 2022 No.20370650 >>20367780 Hesiod Works and Days.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 05:26:16 2022 No.20371730 >>20367787 No it isn’t.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 08:27:42 2022 No.20372142 >>20371730 Yes it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 09:36:37 2022 No.20372344 >>20367794 Nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 11:50:34 2022 No.20372709 >>20367780 I'm reading Walden right now and it's probably what you're looking for

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 12:00:21 2022 No.20372757 >>20367782 Haven't read Wconomy but like Xenophon. I dobthink Hesiod is interesting. One more suggestion I'd make is to include Vergil's Georgics and Eclogues.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 12:48:18 2022 No.20372993 >>20367780 check out Virgil's Georgics - it's poetry but extremely agricultural

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 13:06:08 2022 No.20373093 >>20367780 Idk about any of that but I have an NFT collection on avalanche with farming fren www.defifrens.club

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 13:28:59 2022 No.20373216 >>20372993 >poetry but extremely agricultural That sounds dope, hell yea.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 13:30:00 2022 No.20373220 >>20371730 It unequivocally is.

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Anonymous Sun May 15 13:38:09 2022 No.20373255

>>20373216
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgics#Description_and_summary link

This is also why Dante says that Virgil is in Hell because one of the lines here he predicts the coming of the Son of God and thus by not accepting it and realizing that the polytheistic gods were demons gets damned. Don't believe in Hell but kinda an interesting nuance

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 16:52:29 2022 No.20374047 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 19:59:17 2022 No.20374727 File: 1.26 MB, 2162x1648, nooticer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20367794 >community garden >in fact the "community" was the peaceful neighborhood of some people niggers were planted in by very evil people many such cases

>>	Anonymous Mon May 16 04:44:22 2022 No.20376083 >>20367782 Something more modern.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 16 08:35:52 2022 No.20376634 >>20367780 >So any other recommendations Gogols dead souls. He has a part in the about farmers and peasants. I can't remember the entire thing but it was pretty cool. Kind of a timelessness of being a farmer.