/lit/ - Literature

First for truth

First for
No women
No tranny
No pozzed
No coomer
No janny
Edition

Been reading Beware of Chicken, so far, I've like it for what it is and what it's trying to do, but overall, I got nothing more to say about it, other than it's going to be the only web novel I'll ever read, since it's the only one that ever got my attention.

>>20358854
I kind of liked what I read of it, but holy fucking shit there's so much utterly pointless padding. You can skip close to 90% of the word count and miss literally nothing. It can't even be excused by saying it's meant to be a slice of life series, because a lot of it is literally the same shit being repeated over and over again.

Webnovels were a mistake

>>20358868
That's a truly horrifically awful chart.
>Harry Potter above Narnia
>The Witcher and AsSoIaF in A tier
>Half of it is retread Arthurian garbage

>>20358877
Yes, everyone has opinions. Yours happens to be different. That's unlucky.

>>20358868
>malazan at A4

The West has litrpg
China has Xianxia, cultivation novels
Japan has Isekai
What does Korea have, if anything?
Or do they not read these kinds of novels and just make Manhwas?

>>20358920
Korea has awful, awful webtoons for women that go on for thousands of chapters and suck.
Also they do the same cultivation shit as China. One that I actually like is the Gosu
>Kid is raised by an ancient cultivation master, formed into the perfect weapon to take revenge on a group of other masters who spurned him, crippled him, and exiled him
>Kid finishes his training as his master is on his deathbed, heads out into the world to hunt down these old monsters
>... they've all died of old age

>>20358920
they have lucia and under the oak tree, and that's all you'll ever need from them

>>20358920
>What does Korea have, if anything?
Only NTR manwhas with incredible artwork. I don't even bother reading them anymore because 9/10 manwhas go the NTR route before the end just to leave a sour taste in your mouth.

>>20358854
>>20358861
Is Beware of Chicken a good beginner story to start? I want to read web novels just to see what’s the big deal about them. Or should I start with Mother of Learning?

>>20358971
Mother of Learning is also super bloated, just not to the same degree. I'd suggest Paranoid Mage as a good start because it's concise. It does more in its current 27 chapters than most do in 200.

male reader x female vampire romance novel anchor

post your finds

I really hope TWOW comes out
I'm scared

Book with milkmaid befriending a witch, either learning great powers or helping the loner to reestablish a connection with society?

What's the point of reading The Expanse if Drummer isn't really in it?

>>20358919
I know, it's laughable. It's not even difficult to get into, unless you're some retard that only reads YA where shit is explicitly told to you at every point, like sandershit, and it's absolutely not even that good.

>>20359037
>reader x character
Didn't know this was a thing. What are the best examples of this genre?

>>20359056
You should have arrived at Acceptance ages ago, anon

>>20359148
I only started reading ASOIAF in march, have been waiting for TWOW for 2 weeks now

>>20359076
She is, but only on later books. She isn't as cool as tv drummer though

>>20359152
>starting a series you know will never be finished

how do I into solar cycle?

>>20359173
Oh really?
I was told that she wasn't a major character at all in the book series and only a very minor one

>>20359152
>have been waiting for TWOW for 2 weeks now
Good for you, most people have been waiting 11 years.

>>20359177
Well I bought the first book back in 2011 and it's been sitting on my shelf since then and I was bored and decided to read it and then I realised I enjoyed reading it and that I wasn't the type of person who'd read a series and feel that it was a total waste of time because it'd never get an ending
>>20359193
Yeah obviously aware of that

is sprawl trilogy good?

>>20359076
i hate that she lives in vancouver else i'd be trying a lot harder to date her

>>20359235
I don't like how she looks asian irl
I had a crush on her when I assumed she was some kind of mongrel but she's way too asian looking for me
Still absolutely qt with the makeup on though

>>20359246
she's native

>>20359190
Yeah. She doesn't appear that much. She doesn't even appear in the last book at all

Does pic related get good? I'm 2 chapters in and so far:
A girl has pissed on herself
They have discussed what masterbation feels like with a prosthetic hand
A white man tries to have sex with a Nigerian woman
Is there more to this series than sex stuff and is it worth reading?

>>20359306
First book is pretty good. Second book is okay. Third book onwards is garbage.

>>20359306
Keep reading for Miller kino.
>>20359311
>Third book onwards is garbage
Book 5 and 8 are incredible wdym.

>>20359306
Oh no, is there sex in the books? Maybe ill give the series a miss then, sex makes me very uncomfortable

>>20359324
5 is the one with the colony planet and the big explosion right? The last part of that with MillerBot was cool but everything before that sucked - the whole colonists versus big bad corpo strawman thing was ridiculously contrived and incredibly dumb and ultimately completely pointless because the entire place just blew up anyway. I haven't read 8.

>>20359306
OYE BELTALOWDA

>>20359333
>colony planet and the big explosion right
I think you're talking about book 4 and Ilus.
Book 5 tells the story of Marco Inaros and his vendetta against earth. He throws some gigantic rocks that obliterates earth and makes life there a hellhole.

>>20359332
you sound like a gay incel

>>20359363
Oh yeah I remember that. You're mental, that shit was awful. Everything with Marco in it was terrible, I don't give a shit about belt niggers, I don't give a shit about Marco, it sucked. Marco is one of the few parts of the later books that was significantly improved by the TV series. Both because a lot of it was cut out, and because the guy playing Marco was chewing the shit out of the scenery.

I picked this one up because of the cover alone and so far it's been an enjoyable read.

>>20359366
Im not gay im just uncomfortable with sex and sexuality, also im volcel not incel

>>20358868
Lord of the Rings should be S4 considering it filters half of /lit/

>>20359420
>im volcel not incel
You're only fooling yourself. Quit being scared and get yourself out there.

>>20359199
Yes

>>20358971
Beware of Chicken sort of relies on you at least knowing xianxia tropes I think, because it's pretty much a parody.

>>20359199
yes

Why isn't there more fantasy set in the 16th century or 17th century where you have a world that shows the transition from middle ages to imperialism? You could have all the feudalism structure with knights and lords but you could show their decline in society.

>>20359590
because guns are lame and you might as well read a book about war sci-fi in the 41st millennium

>>20359197
I feel like maybe eventually we will get Winds but A Dream of Spring will forever remain that

>>20359593
But you can have all pikes, bills, bows, heavy cavalry, heavy foot, hand canons/muskets, and canon all together on the same battlefield. I didn't say 18th century.

>>20359590
Because it's written by autistic central Europeans and rarely reaches the English-speaking market.

>>20359332
No I just want to get the feel for if this series is just trying to be raunchy or if there is more to it than that worth reading.

>>20359199
Glad to see that cover of Neuromancer is making the rounds now.

>>20358868
>putting Harry Potter and Roger Zelazny above Prydain and Eddings
what a truly abhorrent post, you must be canadian

>>20359631
Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar may have what you're looking for

a mix of gun users, cannon carries, and every other medieval troop type (archers, knights, cav etc)

>>20359590
Because it's no cookie cutter enough.
Really there's no fantasy set in ANY specific time period, you've got vikings from 300AD fighting magic conquistadors and the government is a cross between ancient rome, cromwell, and the papacy. "Medieval" just means "before the civil war" to most writers.

>>20359375
I've never read David Gemmell myself (though I intend to eventually, he has a huge body of work so I hardly know where to start; it's like all those western authors like Louis Lamour and WA Johnstone and Ralph Compton etc) but I've never heard anything bad about his work. It's not overly original, but it seems to be expertly designed to provide comfy popcorn satisfaction to anybody who wants to give a try. Like if romance novels were made for men, it's comfort-food heroic fantasy, that's the impression I get from reactions I see to his reading, much like Conan the Barbarian books.

jolenta bringing out the sweater puppies for some air & warm sun while lounging on the boat
consenting to get fucked by severian

>>20359689
Yes you're right. A Song of Fire and Ice comes to mind. There should be Canon, but then again that BTFOs castles in which most of Martin's military conflicts revolve around holding castles. At the same time though like you said, you have 300 AD tier things thrown in with 16th century things all over in the series. It's a cluster fuck. Obviously I think Martin did this for a reason and added the whole seasonal long winter hindrance to development.

>>20359685
I can't get into franchise type fiction but thanks

>>20359642
Why is this?

>>20358920
Master Hunter K and Solo Leveling are both Korean.

>>20359799
And Solo Leveling isn't very good. I dunno Master Hunter K. FFF-Class Trashero was pretty good, at least, for Korean stuff.

>>20359788
because Americans and Anglos don't give a rat's ass about the period between 1500-1750
In the case of the Americans, it's because absolutely nothing of feasibly popular interest happened in our history prior to the French and Indian (Seven Years) War. In the case of the British, it's because they generally want to forget their history during that time period, as it is largely either unflattering or complexly byzantine and of no interest to anybody but dedicated historians (excepting the Spanish Armada of course).
If westerners cared about that sort of thing, they'd be translating it, but since they don't, the only options are faggy Warhammer books or else that 1632 alt-history series.

>>20359761
>Martin did this for a reason
Yeah, the reason being that he just throws in whatever he thinks is cool with no regard whether it makes any sense. Hence the wall being as high as skyscraper, the Starks ruling the North uninterrupted for 8,000 years and other absurd silliness.

>>20359813
Most fantasy worldbuilding seems to be "I wanna see X cool thing, how can I make a world where that's viable". And then they often ignore the viability and just stick it in anyway.

>>20359111
fanfiction

I still haven't read a single litrpg book

>>20358682
Would anyone like a list of indie SFF/LitRPG publishers that accept unagented submissions?

>>20359826
same

>>20359826
Neither have the illiterate
Want a medal?

>>20359829
are you paid to be an asshole?

>>20359813
He did state that after the show came out he realized he made everything too big. Something along the lines of "I dint realize how tall 700' is"

>>20359819
That's where the "ancient magic" comes in.
>why doesn't everyone use cannons?
>the walls are enchanted
>wow, that's useful, hey why doesn't everyone have enchanted tanks
>uhhhh... the spells were lost long ago, no one knows how to make more

>>20359827
yeah could be interesting

>>20359861

Aethon Books (LitRPGs seem to get the most engagement, but they publish any SFF works)
https://aethonbooks.com/submissions/
Portal Books (LitRPGs and Gamelit primarily, sometimes their Monolith imprint publishes non LitRPG/Gamelit works)
https://portal-books.com/submissions
Severed Press (They publish manly sci-fi adventure books, along with litRPGs)
http://www.severedpress.com/submissions/
Shadow Alley press (submissions currently closed I think, but they publish almost any SFF works, even harem novels!)
https://shadowalleypress.com/submissions/
If there's any more, let me know.

>>20359590
cus shit like this is way less exciting than a battle with cool swords. at least for most people

>>20359862
*Somebody let me know.

>>20359862
There's Mountaindale Press, it's smaller but they do publish pretty much only LitRPG.

>>20359862
ty anon

>>20359878
No probalo.

>>20359187
read Book of the New Sun, if you like it keep going

>>20359889
jolenta boooooooba

>>20359864
You just posted 18th century picture retard

>>20359808
Sounds like an opportunity for a writer

>>20358687
Redpill me on Bakker

>>20359889
So there are prequels and sequels to it? I just started botns

>>20358682
Bros can I get some recs for fantasy novels with ceremonial/ritual nudity. Bonus points if there's embarrassment.

In all my searching I've never found a good list for this or ENF in fantasy.

This question starts heated discussions with big fantasy fans:

Do you like it when a fantasy work describe races similar to how Tolkien popularized them? While he didn't invented the races, his take on it has become somewhat of the "norm" for modern fantasy works.

>Elves are blonde, fair skinned, long ears, live thousands of years, like archery and magic.
>Dwarves are blacksmiths, have long beards and are bald.
>Dark elves are edgy/emo elves, sometimes brown-skinned or super pale.
>Ogres are big and deformed.

It's rare to see works with elves (for example) as blacksmiths and dwarves as archers.

>>20359929
Why is Moiraine fondling Nynaeve?

>>20359957
The Wheel Turns Anew

>>20359927
not really. Urth of the new sun is a kind of coda to book of the new sun, it's interesting but it's different from the 4 parts of botns. Long sun and short sun are stand alones, you can read long sun without reading new sun and have no problems-short sun comes after long. The series in the solar cycle are connected to each other but you could read long sun first/by itself and not be lost or miss anything. It's not a sequel, it's its own book

I'm on calde of the long sun myself, working on finishing the entire cycle. It's different but I've been liking long sun, Gene Wolfe has fast become my favorite author

>>20357673
not sure what age i had, but at most in my early teens. i picked it up because the cover looked awesome, i only had the first book and i got completely hooked, i remember going into a book store alone and starting a social interaction by myself (maybe the first one in my life) in order to ask if they had the second book of the triology and i remember that the guy didn't know what i was talking about, had never heard of it and i got away swiftly. then i downloaded it from somewhere, discovered calibre etc

it's true it's kind of a hard and slow book but it's also very centered around an engaging character and his adventures, plus what >>20357775 said

>>20358971
>Is Beware of Chicken a good beginner story to start?
I can't be sure as I never picked it up, but I'm almost certain >>20359475 is right. Furthermore most of the reviews comment the same thing - the novel stagnates after first book.


>I want to read web novels just to see what’s the big deal about them.
Ease of access, search and entry provide a great variety of books for a great variety of tastes.

>Or should I start with Mother of Learning?
Mother of learning is fine it really didn't leave up to expectations if you ask me but it's a perfectly decent self contained story, if a bit overlong for what it is.

If you want something subversive I'd recommend checking worth the candle, it's got some issues regarding later volumes where an event occurs that feels forced and undermines a lot of my trust in the writer but up till then it was a great well thought out series.

If you want something more straightforward Eighth Warden or Wander west, In shadow are good books but they are barely web novels in that they follow more traditional story structure with more planning and foresight rather than chapter by chapter grind. Savage Divinity comes to mind if you want a more traditional cultivation story but it's very slow and got loads of angst and repetition. Azarynth healer is a very web novel web novel, I feel, if you want something good and representative of what you can expect from web novels.

>>20359957
There is literally no good lewd WoT art and I needed something related to draw attention to my post.

Look at this, it's the only picture in existence of the first sister ceremony. The literal queen of Andor had to streak naked in front of her subjects and a group of ashaman and I will never see art of it. I've already lost hope of the tv show adapting any of it.

>>20359927
The image of the list you posted that shows The Cat and The Map has extraneous stuff in it. Cat and Map are short stories that take place after the end of New Sun, but it places them before. Night Chough is a short story that takes place after Long Sun.
You could skip the short stories anyway. The important point is that they exist, along with a wealth of essays and meta commentary about New Sun, that you can enjoy after reading or rereading it if you want to.
You can start with either New Sun or Long Sun, as long as you read Short Sun after Long it doesn't matter. There is one character from New Sun who is very important to Long Sun's lore, but he appears for such a short amount of time in either series that it's not important.

>>20359889
Pretty nice for a person who looks like they draw furry commissions.

>>20359889
Tickle tickle

anyone here ever read umineko? what are your thoughts?
just thought of this because the part i'm reading in APGTE reminds me very much of it.

>>20360023
>>20359889
fugg that avern looks cooler than this one

>>20360025
Yeah, somehow I think it's one of the best designed and executed examples of metafiction, a great mystery, and also I hated it and every second of it's 200 hour runtime was pure seething agony.
Concrete proof that something being interesting to talk about and interesting to actually read are two completely unrelated properties that only occasionally overlap.
Got me interested in japanese mystery, which is apparently kinda fucking ridiculous and weird, but because of the unfortunate tendency of "mystery = obscure language trivia" they're totally impenetrable to all but the most obsessed hardcore weebs.

Man I really should read some more mystery.

>>20358868
I tried reading Lies of Lock Lamora and couldn't stand it. It felt like they were trying to write it for television with all the time jump-cuts and descriptions of scenes with visual reveals of what's actually happening right at the end. It just annoyed me too much. Plus they curse like 20th century people curse, unlike in ASOIAF. Like every character is Tyrion. I only got about 150 pages in before dropping it.

I don't see the Book of Amber there either, but I read the first one of those and it was really terrible. Just every single aspect of it felt shallow and unenjoyable. I doubt that anything else by Zelazny is good too.

So yeah I think this chart is shit.

>>20359420
>controlled by his emotions and insecurities
>voluntarily chooses how he lives
pick only one, loser

>>20360052
I found the cursing to fit the theme and setting quite well in Gentleman's Bastards. The prose is actually decent so the modern cursing just made me laugh half the time. It's one of my favorite fantasy books along with LOTR and ASOIAF. Another series though that will go unfinished and the author went mental

>>20359889
>>20360027
I hate how little art is out there for Wolfe novels, some of the stuff in the solar cycle is rather hard to picture and would do well with an artistic depiction

that being said, the guy who did the covers for long sun seems to have actually read the series. It's refreshing having someone who tried to portray things accurately, some covers are so out of whack with the actual content of the novels in sci fi/fantasy

whats the appeal of high literature?

should I read gatsby?

>>20360118
forgot to add pic related

name 1 (three) good sci-fi horror novels

>>20360121
>whats the appeal of high literature?

>>20360125
Yeah these are the nicest covers for any Solar Cycle books. Not 100 percent but not inaccurate either. The Nightside one makes Blood's manor look like a gigantic castle, the fountain of Scylla is spraying lava, and Silk looks like a special forces operator. Which is sick.

>>20359199
90% of people think they like cyberpunk until they actually read something cyberpunk

>>20359826
Why? Some can be fun

reading the worm ouroboros right now and holy shit this prose is something else. it was a bit hard to follow at first but now i got used to it and it's amazing the way it flows, how pretty it sounds and it paints what is happening

i need to read lotr again, i remember liking it exactly because this same thing

>>20360205
fun is for happy losers

>>20360212
Back to /tg/ with your 40k novels
shoo

>>20360198
I blame transhumanism. Retards these days see cyberpunk and think "cool robot bodies, I can FINALLY be a woman" and fail to realize the implications of the loss of humanity, invasive entities destroying privacy, soul crushing living conditions, the death of nature, etc

Given how quickly people simp for billion dollar big tech companies and wait in lines for hours to buy new screens to stare at I'm really not surprised

>>20359915
Retarded tier crazy leftard author. His books is about sex, everything is about sex, pedophilia, whores, ejaculation, more whores, rape. Everything he writes is a seting up for the sex related climax. His readers are depraved crazy people.

>>20359199
It's only decent in terms of prose, characters and plot. In terms of worldbuilding and concepts, it's essential reading.
I read Count Zero earlier this year and was going to read Mona Lisa Overdrive but I got sidetracked by other reading. I also did Burning Chrome which I didn't like as much because I thought the stories were hit and miss, but the good ones are very good.

Recently read the 8th book in Joel Shepherd's Spiral Wars series. The books got some issues, but I really rather enjoyed the set up with multiple alien factions that are fairly unique and fleshed out. Curious if anyone can recommend anything with similar set up. Preferably written not too long ago.

>>20359421
>why yes, a book is utter shit and people drop it, that means it's good

>>20358919
>>20359098
I don't know. The first book is not the simplest to get into and the sheer scope is larger than anything else I've read. I kind of feel like A4 is justifiable.

>>20360097
sorry but I think it was just shit.

>>20360230
thoughts on count zero? I enjoyed neuromancer quite a bit but I felt like count zero was mediocre-it kinda lagged and the pov switches were a bit frustrating. Not to mention that Marly's storyline was straight up boring imo

It wasn't an awful book but nowhere near as good as neuromancer. I'm hoping mona lisa overdrive will be better, I've heard it is compared to CZ

>>20360121
This probably won't be a popular opinion, but I've been struggling going back to reading popular fantasy after spending more time with Shakespeare. For me the appeal of information density. There's so much packed into each scene and paragraph. There's some /sffg/ reading that is like this and that's probably where my future reading will take me. I do recommend you read whatever "high" lit you feel is calling you. It will help you discover what you really like reading. Nothing wrong with reading pulp trash if that's what you enjoy.

>>20360224
>I can FINALLY be a woman
I'd say you're right but that example is pretty dumb

>>20360267
I thought there wasn't enough action, for one thing. The mercenary didn't get to fight enough and was more of a pawn, so I felt a little blue-balled, especially at the end.
I liked Marly's POV, it was just kind of the same thing where she didn't get to do much. She was supposed to investigate the boxes and all that happens is her ex approaches her with the info that leads her straight to them (probably why she was chosen). The parts where she has access to the magnate's money and it's suddenly like the money is shaping reality around her was really cool.
So yeah I thought the plot was kind of clumsy and anti-climactic. Compared to Neuromancer, not sure cause I read Neuromancer in high school a long time ago.

>>20360272
I had something similar happen to me a couple years ago
After solely reading science fiction for years, I finally got back into reading "normal" books and was completely absorved by it, for a few months I read nothing but classic Russian works and I enjoyed every second of it and felt my horizons broaden, it was a really nice change of pace from some of the absolutely heinous stuff I often read (and still often do as a guilty pleasure)
Of course I came back here and I've gotten really deep into some fantasy series and books, but I try to weave some "regular" works between reads

>>20360233
The Culture novels
Hainish Cycle
The Majipoor Cycle
Zones of Thought series

>>20359915
Fantasy crusades with the back drop of a shadow-war between crash-landed aliens and an ancient school of sorcerers. Each tries to use the crusade to their own ends against each other. Autistic supercomputer MC who '''subverts expectations''' stumbles into the middle of this setting from his isolated monetary fortress.

>>20360224
the human body is hilariously weak and it rots

Tigana

>>20360339
I'll check them out, thank you.

How is the Earthsea Series?

>>20360331
I went through a decade where I almost exclusively read books about advertising, marketing, and direct-response copywriting. It's weird how reading habits can change depending on where you're at in life. I do think I'll be coming back to fantasy. I want to finish Malazan. Think I'm addicted to Shakespeare now though. I just can't stop...

>>20360049
Please look forward to my metafictional xianxia progression story if I survive long enough and have the ability to write it out.

>>20358682
Science fantasy books similar to Ralph Bakshi's Wizards?

Bros, I Shall seal the heavens book 3 was very good but book 4 with the wars and battles of thousands vs thousands is getting close, lootgoblin mc keeps outdoing himself

>>20359693
Yeah it's nothing groundbreaking, but sometimes you just want to go on a fun ride.

>>20360131
James Paul Russo, "Ship of Fools"
Adrian Tchaikovsky, "Children of Ruin"

>>20360233
>I really rather enjoyed the set up with multiple alien factions that are fairly unique and fleshed out
The Deathstalker series might be for you

Just finished the darkness that comes before.

What a piece of shit.

I want some scifi and fantasy novels involving romance as a major plot point or integral theme
ideally hetero

>>20361499
I second this, also preferably not a web novel or light novel

>>20361499
>>20361500
There's a big thread on reddit for this request at the moment, if you are so inclined. It has dozens of recs so far.
It's almost entirely lesbian or gay shit with few straight couples.
Half the straight romance books are interracial.
Good luck.

>>20361514
>reddit
>gay
>interracial
wow, cool, thank you, exactly what I didn't ask for and what I'm not going to look at

>>20361519
Well I'm not going to curate the list to find the few decent books on there for you. You know where to look. Or, you can keep asking here and never receive any real replies like I've done for the last few weeks.

>>20361499
Are you cool with smut?

>>20361575
I do not shy away from graphic depictions of sex but I'd prefer it handled tastefully and not be an endless litany of cocks and cunts.

>>20361524
fuckhead

>>20359915
A mediocre series written by a fucking lunatic who thinks so highly of himself he isn’t even allowed in America anymore

>>20359889
Why are severian and baldanders so short?

>>20359590
Hawkwood’s Voyage is exactly what you’re looking for

>>20361499
Chalion, Paladin of Souls, Penric + Desdemona all by Bujold
Imager by Modesitt (I've only read the first trilogy and the second sequence but both have romances at the center)
Sun Wolf and Starhawk by Hambly
Unnatural Magic by Waggoner (it's a human and troll but it's what carries the book, the other POV sucks)
Queen's Thief (2nd book onwards)
Vlad Taltos if you want to read an author work through his divorce on the page

What fantasy novel/story has the best prose, in your opinion?

>>20360372
reading this right now and it's not that interesting
pretty poorly written/translated and the protag being evil removes a lot of the chances for significant obstacles or conflict.

>>20360372
BASED

>>20361663
>if you want to read an author work through his divorce on the page
When I say romance, I should have specified "successful" romance, that pays off poignantly and movingly.

>>20361697
>>20361663
>if you want to read an author work through his divorce on the page
You mean like Scott Lynch?

>>20360432
rotting and death are a huge part of life. eternal life would be an awful curse, then again it's probably the type of scenario narcissists dream of

>>20359693
I've read almost every single Gemmell novel and he's a very 'meat and potatoes' type of writer, but it's very delicious meat and potatoes. My personal favorite from him is the Jerusalem Man trilogy. It's extremely similar to King's Dark Tower series; so much so it feels like Gemmell read The Dark Tower books, thought they were shit, and decided to write his own version.

>>20361765
>it feels like Gemmell read The Dark Tower books, thought they were shit, and decided to write his own version.
based

>>20361697
I think the Bujold stuff is straight-up romance. A Civil Campaign from her (great) Vorkosigan universe is, anyway.

>>20361776
everything is except from vlad which I mentioned for a laugh

I'll make a thread later probably, but what fantasy / sci Fi / mythology books have really good battles? Duels, massive armies clashing, sieges, Gods and spiritual beings fighting?

Malazan had some good ones, mostly duels. Iliad and Aeneid have great massive battles, Paradise Lost has the war in heaven. I heard Sanderson is autisticly good at this too.

>>20361827
Powder Mage has great battles

>>20361827
Miles Cameron's probably the current big love him or hate him battles guy
Red Knight is lots of medieval sieges and field battles but with zombies and the like thrown in
It's well done but I'm not that interested in large scale warfare so I got bored by book 3
His newest series also had battles but I haven't gone and read anything past the 1st book in it yet

My formula for estimating Amazon sales is 100 x the number of reviews. Anybody got a better guess?

>>20361667
>protag being evil removes a lot of the chances for significant obstacles or conflict.
but it also makes it more interesting, he is evil, he can pretty much go and do whatever he wants, also while protag is mostly emotionless others supposedly do not lack them (they are chinese theres already less display of emotions)

>>20359889
Jonas should look a lot more futuristic
And Dorcas should look hotter

>>20359947
>"This question starts heated discussions with big fantasy fans: "
>no one replies
kek

>>20361868
Can I get a qrd on his new series?

>>20361446
Why do you feel that way?

>>20360118
booba

So this is what happens when a boomer fantasy writer watches anime.

>>20361499
The fourth book in he Garrett series introduces a doomed love that haunts the protagonist for almost the entire rest of the series. The three final volumes become very much about romance, in Cruel Zinc Melodies his arc is about growing up and dealing with his fear of commitment. The next two books are driven entirely by the results of that and might actually spend more time on Garrett thinking about his feelings than any other conflict.

>>20361835
I think it's battles are kind of weak for the flintlock subgenre, honestly. Not as bad when Leigh Bardugo tries her hand at it, but Thousand Names and Guns of the Dawn both do them better.

>>20361499
I too, enjoy romance
Except if there's cheating or cucking that shit makes me angry

>>20362057
Sounds awful.

>>20362273
that really pissed me off about Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, the protag gets cucked not once, but TWICE (though he cucks the elf princess in revenge)

Name anything funnier than Frank Herbert talking about sex, you can't

>>20362390
>Nala had her orgasm
I've only read up to God emperor. Is it worth reading the other 2 for sex kino?

Just finished watching a 2004 anime about steam punk
the plot was absolute trash
but the sakuga was stunning
and now it made me crave something similar
I love alt history with different technology trees.

>>20361514
where?

where do I start with lord dunsany? if order doesnt matter, whats the largest collection of his stories that I can get physically in a single volume?

>>20362412
Heretics has some hilarious sex kino Duncan keeps turning down Lucilla, who stripteases and strikes poses in front of him, then he cucks her with an Honored Matre who's trying to sexually imprint him, but he imprints her. He's 16 in this book, awesome Frank great job.

>>20362417
Just finished The Interdependency series, a spaceopera
Basically, humans have colonies spread out through space, all connected to each other via flows through time and space that allow them to travel faster than light
These colonies are all under the rule of an Emperor and a bunch of rich houses that control monopolies and control over entire colonies via making them dependent on each other to survive, and they support the Emperor and their house to keep this whole arrangment going
A scientist hired by the last Emperor discovers that these flows are about to collapse, then the Emperor dies, a successor, that wasnt expected to be since they lived as a civilian and so arent prepared for it, becomes Emperor
Then shit starts flying as the new Emperor decides to act on this info to try to save the Interdependency and its citizens, causing severe political drama and coups to kill and overthrow the Emperor as this plan to save the common people and telling people about this collapse is bad for their bottom line
Its not too bad if you can handle John Scalzis writing style

Just finished The Interdependency series, a spaceopera
Basically, humans have colonies spread out through space, all connected to each other via flows through time and space that allow them to travel faster than light
These colonies are all under the rule of an Emperor and a bunch of rich houses that control monopolies and control over entire colonies via making them dependent on each other to survive, and they support the Emperor and their house to keep this whole arrangment going
A scientist hired by the last Emperor discovers that these flows are about to collapse, then the Emperor dies, a successor, that wasnt expected to be since they lived as a civilian and so arent prepared for it, becomes Emperor
Then shit starts flying as the new Emperor decides to act on this info to try to save the Interdependency and its citizens, causing severe political drama and coups to kill and overthrow the Emperor as this plan to save the common people and telling people about this collapse is bad for their bottom line
Its not too bad if you can handle John Scalzis writing style
Reposted this as I accidentally replied to a post I didnt mean to

>>20362415
Appleseed?

>>20362415
Steampunk is pretty much unilaterally terrible. I guess Senlin Ascends is alright, although it's not quite as beholden to the Girl Genius aesthetic

>>20361892
All you described just makes it more boring though. Evil means no higher goal than getting more power and emotionless means he's always gonna take the easiest and most damaging route towards.

>>20362530
nah, Steamboy

>>20362718
>no higher goal
And what are these higher goals of non evil righteous protagonists?

>>20361514
Oh Lord, how I fucking abhorr the Reddit hivemind and looking at the state of r/Fantasy, knowing that this is in fact the audience all mainstream publishers cater to, makes me want to quit reading fantasy while I'm still ahead.

>>20361499
>>20361514
>I want romance
>I want only specific type of romance
you are part of the problem

>>20360254
I don't object to the '4' part, but the 'A' part is questionable in my opinion. It just drops you in with little exposition or explanation and things just happen seemingly out of nowhere. To a first time reader, many major plot shifting events just seem like deus ex machinas because they have no leadup and the explanation of what actually happened and why doesn't come until a few books later. I do not consider this a good thing.

>>20359631
most people have no idea that there were a solid few centuries where firearms and "medieval stuff" both coexisted and were both relevant on the battlefield

>>20360372
based

>>20362759
and this is how webnovels got popular, kek

>>20359947
if you are looking at tolkien derivatives, then yes this would be a topic for discussion; but major fantasy series' have their own take on fantasy creatures:
grrm: children of the forest are more like squirrel people
bakker: the final form of tolkien elves, the nonmen are insane and genocidal, live in underground mansions, cannot comprehend all art forms
erikson: lizard-, elephant-people, undead dust warriors, maybe aggressive space elves
tad williams: elves are tolkien's elves + dwarves

>>20361514
Do you mean the gay representation thread on r/fantasy or something else?

>>20362417
>>20362837
Presumably https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/ungkps/i_got_that_lovin_feeling_rfantasy_unofficial/

>>20362844
Thanks

>>20361967
>port of shadows
what a pointless interquel

>>20361827
Nothing much in grand scale, but everything by Will Wight has really well-written action sequences. The most high-scale he gets is Elder Empire, and that's at its highest a desperate struggle against an apocalyptic threat. Traveler's Gate is some good high-power nonsense going on, especially in the second and third books. Cradle has a lot of good "Survive instead of win" fights early on.

>>20361499
There's a woman named Alice Sinclair who writes erotica based on the world of John Norman's Gor. I can't vouch for it, but it comes to mind so tell me if it's good.

>>20362837
He means this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/ungkps/i_got_that_lovin_feeling_rfantasy_unofficial/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

>>20361740
I dont care

I want to rip you limb from limb with robot arms

Just ordered The Worm Ouroboros. What am I in for gentlemen?

Which books does /sffg/ re-read?

>>20359774
why not?

I think a big universe with many books around it is cool. Like the solar cycle books

>>20363304
I re-read grimdark fictitious novels

>>20363316
Which ones

>>20363304
I never re-read books.

>>20363327
Im currently reading through the broken empire trilogy. I think its an entertaining series so I see no reason not to give it a re-read after a couple months, having read other books on my to read list

Any books like the movie annihilation?

>>20363429
Yes, the books they are based on.

>>20363429
Yes, Annihilation the novel.

>>20363304
Neuromancer and On Stranger Tides I read yearly.

>>20361654
Hey thanks for the recommendation. Never heard of this one but looks very promising. Apparently unlike many of the ASOIAF copy cats, this one is before AGOT. I'll check it out anon. The good reads reviews got me hyped.

first few arcs of APGTE book 6 are great so far.

>>20362778
>demanding the romance in my fiction be straight is "too demanding and specific"

>>20358868
>Bakker S tier
Go back

>>20361654
>>20363495
Do any audiobook versions exist?

>>20359199
yes

This is the best Undying Mercenaries book in many volumes.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1652378028170.webm

>Undying Mercenaries

looks interesting
+added

>>20363641
I stopped reading at edge world because MC went full "3/4 retard, 1/4 geneus", does it get better? I feel earlier depictions of him were far more realistic and grounded from both plot and character perspective.

>>20363769
>does it get better
At this volume, yes. The past few have been weak.

>>20363786
Thanks, I guess I finally have a reason to catch up.

>>20361621
What's this about Bakker not being allowed to enter America?

I love this nibba like you wouldn't believe

>>20363812
he has sex with dogs

>>20358682
Should I make the characters in my Wizards (1977) esque post apocalyptic fantasy have fantasy names, or regular american names?

>>20364027
Or "futuristic" names. Like "Luv" and "Coco" from BR2049?

>>20364027
How post-apocalyptic? Most of the more normal human-ish characters'll probably have normal names, but some more fantastical characters or the people who've thrown themselves into the fantastical probably would have fantasy names.

>get recommended a fantasy novel with a female protag
>she gets gangraped in book 2

>>20364035
You just recommended it to me, too. Title?

>>20364039
deed of paksenarrion

>>20364031
About a half millenia in the future.

>>20364041
also it happens in book 3 my mistake

>>20364035
does she kill them or what

>>20364042
Probably some heavy drift to the fantastical, maybe some sort of 'corrupted normal' names too.

>>20364041
Thanks, anon.

>published in three volumes in 1988 and 1989
Ah, the 80s, nice things were still possible, then.

>female author
I'm not getting bamboozled here, am I?

>>20364052
Thanks, anon!

>>20364053
no it actually happens.

>>20364035
>>20364041
>>20364053
>>20364068
What the fuck? I was literally just about to buy Deed of Paksenarrion omnibus and you're telling me the protag gets raped? Is this a porn fetish novel I was about to buy?

i just want catherine to be happy

>>20360372
It was good until the trannification

Any books like this? I really enjoyed it and would like to read something similar.

Basically something is killing Earth so an astronaut or a group of astronauts are sent to deep space to find an answer to save earth.

Ayyylamos are also found and a they help because the same thing is happening to their planet.

It also has a lot of hard science.

>>20364076
>What the fuck? I was literally just about to buy Deed of Paksenarrion omnibus and you're telling me the protag gets raped? Is this a porn fetish novel I was about to buy?
Looks like a classic fantasy written by a woman, before the second millenium a lot of them had rape in those. Sapkowski, the Witcher's author, once made a long blogpost about older female fantasy writers writing lots of rape in their stories and how hilarious it is, i.e. a woman gets raped, cries and then gets revenge, then she gets a female friends and at some point both of them gets raped and again get revenge... Supposedly those stories are full of that and absolutely hilarious due to how protagonists get raped again and again. Some sort of weird revenge fantasies and coping.

Why did nobody tell me that Gideon the Ninth is so fun________?

>>20361956
Was she just raped? Did he bugger her and leave her ass a gaping bleeding mess?

>>20363786
>>20363641
How much did he retcon the protagonist this time to scale down his power level?

>>20364076
I have no idea where you guys get this idea that female authors are all prim, prudish feminists. In my experience they're often way more bawdy than male authors.

>>20364118
Do you happen to read mostly female authors from before the year 2000?

>>20364096
>>20364118
I read some books by Tanith Lee and those were basically porn novels

>>20364118
>>20364119
>>20364122
Seconding, older female authors like Mercedes Lackey write a lot of sex in their fantasy. It's funny how people make fun of men writing sex in fantasy, but female authors take prim in that. Especially this day and age, when the top of fantasy lists is basically fantasy porn written by women, i.e. The Court of Thorns and something something. Or Sarah J. Mass's books in general.

>>20364137
Gonna go ahead and add Melanie Rawn's name to the list of 80s women authors who stuffed their books full of sex. I reviewed her books a thread a while back, for the full scoop on her, but some highlights are one woman threatening to turn her sisters into "breeding sows" by keeping them chained to a bed and raped for the rest of their lives, and then she uses magic to make them live out this fate in their minds as a form of torture.

>>20364077
who?

>>20364108
she wanted to get ravished upon the skimmer

>>20364027
>(1977)
??
Is this like an alternate history post apocalypse, world ended in the cold war sort of thing or is this a post apocalypses based off events to come in the current (Mandela'') universe?

I've thought it amusing that if in a post apocalypse culture second or third generations started naming kids after things from the stories of their great grandparents. Kids named things like ipod, amazon, tesla, coffee etc. The same principle could be applied to an alternate history apocolypes; Inbese (NBC), Jayvece, Betamax, Hachbeoh. Names like Apollo or Nike with connotations of the modern usage not the Hellenistic. It may be amusing to see some more educated visitor uncovering the etymology of the names.

>>20364180
Anon, it's an animated movie from 1977. Also, that could be kind of a cool idea if it's done right.

>>20364108
Look at the headless corpse in the background.

>>20364105
I recommend it as often as I can in these threads. Great series so far and I can't wait for the third book.

>>20364108

She seemed to be seducing Severian. They were walking alone together, taking a romantic boatride together- she was just a little tired and fell asleep. Severian knew she was giving up the goods, so what does it matter if she was conscious or not? Severian's 17 and 99.8% of his life he's been wanking into a Fulligen cloak- Jolenta was basically gasping for it (or gasping out of a need for additional drugs and painkillers)

>>20364118
>prim, prudish feminists
Ah yes, the prudish free love, sex work, abortion activists

>>20364230
Unironically yes. It's a very self contradicting ideology.

>>20364227
>seduces you by falling asleep
Finally a woman who knows what men really want.

>>20364227
Dr. Talos got her addicted to drugs?

>>20364253
You know when you do too much cosmetic surgery you have to survive on painkillers.

>>20364253
I take it you didn't read those books? Jolenta was a random waif who was basically used as a guinea pig to transform her into a beautiful woman. It's not explained in full detail how the 'glamour' works, but in addition to being hypnotized to have a different personality, she had wires and other materials surgically implanted in her to change the structure of her body, and was given drugs that somehow changed her genetic makeup to redistribute her body tissues. These drugs had to be regularly readministered or the transformation would begin to revert in the space of a couple of days. And here's the key point with regards to the rape, it was extremely taxing on her nervous system and made her constantly tired. She could barely exert herself.

>>20364230
You seem to think we're still in third wave feminism, when sex-positivity was a thing. The Fourth Wave was officially declared to have started in 2012, and you can scan any encyclopedia entry for it you like, you won't find the term "sex positive" anywhere. And really it was only the two or so decades of Third Wave feminism from the early 1990s to the late 2000s that had any real amount of sex positivity in it, the earlier second wave was so vehemently anti-sex and anti-porn it caused the entire movement to splinter along sex positive/negative lines.

>>20361827
The space battles in the Honor Harrington series are the best parts, especially in the later books. Sad how quality steadily declined after the first one, which was almost on a level with Starship Troopers.

>>20362460
>he cucks her with an Honored Matre who's trying to sexually imprint him, but he imprints her
I jerked off so many times to that passage as a teen

>>20362759
I read "The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet" by Becky Chambers last year but only got a third of the way in before I had to quit. I would never have thought it possible that such a massive cringeworthy pile of wokeshit would ever get published much less WIN A FUCKING HUGO. Scifi has gone down the drain thanks to woke assholes.

>>20364226
Yeah I enjoyed reading it a lot. The second book though is so confusing, disorienting, and depressing.

>>20362909
Sadly that was the book that made me quit the series, it was basically unreadable with its constant repetitions of how soft deliciously rapeable women wanted a strong warrior to enslave and fuck them. Nothing wrong with raping slave girls but holy shit it really got on my nerves after a while.

>>20364095
The Forge of God by Greg Bear. The sequel Anvil of Stars is pretty good too, with a very unique, dark and elegiac atmosphere

>>20364118
Well, it's not so much that I'd consider them prim and prudish, necessarily, but moreso that I expect female authors to either have no clue how to appeal to a male audience or not to care to do so. Why would a woman cater to male tastes? Unless it happens accidentally.

>>20364456
A lot of romance novelists are men and have avid female readership so the reverse doesn't seem that unusual to me.

>>20364095
So Andy Weir is a hard scifi autist? Thanks. Now I know to avoid anything he writes.

>>20364467
Yeah, but there are many men who like women and want to cater to them. That's just normal. Why do you think those armies of simps and whiteknights exist?

>>20364490
A lot of the romance novels women like are "bodice rippers" with very dominant men and dashing rogues despoiling maidens, so I think you've got a rather misplaced idea about what appeals to women.

>>20364415
Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>20364488
Go back to your chin shit.

>>20364507
>>20364507
>Go back to your chin shit.
Do you hard faggots even speak English? Neck yourself. It's faggots like you that killed teh scifi genre and sucked all the wonder out of it. Turning it into a cold calculating piece of shit.

>>20364542
There are just as many non hard sci-fi books out there faggot. Some of us like hard sci-fi, if you don't then don't read it.

>>20364403
I didn't think it was as confusing as others made it seem but it also "clicked" for me long before it did for the person I was buddy reading with so I can't speak to that very much. I felt there were enough clues along the way to piece together most of it. I agree that it was very depressing though. Muir does a good job at making the reader feel all the things the characters feel, whether that be utter confusion or utter suffering.

>>20364582
I can't don't read it, when that is what is being published, because the traditional publishing faggots feel this is the NEW IT.

What's the best sci-fi novel out there rn?

>>20364595
I found it mildly confusing at first, but being confused while reading a book tends to make me hyper-vigilant for clues, and that allowed me to pick up on the hints you mentioned. So I was able to work out what was going on with the perspective and what Harrow had done, more or less, and the reveal wasn't a huge shock. It was still an emotionally draining read at times, with Harrow being so utterly wretched in her obliviated grief. Gideon returning to the story at the end was so immensely cathartic and uplifting, I haven't felt that good after reading a book in many years.

any good sword and sorcery that focuses on one character, besides conan

>>20358682
Some day, I want to start a "literary collective" in the vein of the Alphabet Business Concern or Elephant 6, where a bunch of like minded SFF authors write the same kinds of SFF books and each donate a little bit of their money to pay for editors and cover artists and such. We all wear matching costumes and tour various cons as if we were a band, holding panels and signing books. A sort of "author's troupe", if you will.

whatever happened to the link that used to be in the OP where some guy compiled a list of sffg authors and rated/reviewed them?

>>20361663
>Penric + Desdemona
Bujold needs to stop writing these, they just keep getting more stale with every novella she adds to the series.

>>20364105
Gideon's good but it's also the most tumblr series ever to get a major publisher so it's a risky recommendation in case someone spergs out

>>20364836
>most tumblr series ever to get a major publisher
thats a strong assertion, considering ONLY tumblr series get major publishers

>>20364844
I've seen your prior posts and have no interest in talking to you

>>20364848
take meds

>>20364836
Those kinds of spergs would never read it in the first place just because >female author and >female protagonist.

>>20364878
I've no problem with female author or female protags.
But when the first line of a book is:
>In the myriadic year of our Lord — the ten thousandth year of the King Undying, the kindly Prince of Death! — Gideon Nav packed her sword, her shoes, and her dirty magazines, and she escaped from the House of the Ninth.
I drop it immediately.

>>20364913
That is a great first sentence and I can only imagine your problems with it are derived from the stick up your ass.

>>20364913
LOOOOL
when will you all learn
>female authors
not. even. once.

>>20364913
What's wrong with it?

>>20364913
I don't think it's that bad.
Go ahead, reply to this with "simp" or something.

Literature, like comedy, is outside the grasp of the fairer sex

>>20364953
>>20364960
>>20364973
it's shit, even amongst the fantasy genre
if you honestly think that's a good opening sentence then you are delusional

You can immediately dismiss Gideon as trash just from the fact it was on the shortlist for the neo hugos. They're like an anti recommendation list.

>>20364984
Well, I like it. It's ok that you don't. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.

>>20364984
I asked what's bad about it, not for you to restate your opinion, which I'm now starting to suspect isn't based on anything besides autism.

>>20364953
>>20364960
>>20364973
>Expecting a coherent argument from a known shitter
When will you guys ever learn?

>>20364984
What's wrong with it? I haven't read the book but it pretty succinctly establishes Gideon as a character with odd priorities, mentions some pretty fucky-sounding stuff about the setting and gives an impetus for the story (her escaping).

>>20365000
It's fun to fuck with people like that anon.

>>20364878
far worse, it's a dyke author writing about dykes for the dyke audience, really tells you something about the people who would praise it here

>>20364995
>>20364996
>>20365000
>>20365005
there is objectively bad writing and that is it.
the author is fuckable though id give her a quick shag

>>20365011
Meh, maybe at first, but it get tiring they just repeat the same bullshit every time.

>>20365027
>there is objectively bad writing and that is it.
People are telling you to explain, yet you haven't explained. So, go on, explain what's wrong with it?

>>20365029
>>20365038
Because I have about as much respect for Gideon the Ninth as I do for the dogshit on my shoe. It is reddit. It is video game hot pocket. It is capeshit. It is cheeto dust. I'm literally screaming right now and slamming my arms down on my desk just thinking about it. It is the most depraved video game infantilized manchild degeneracy. It is saturday morning cartoon. It is non-neurotypicality. It is memes. It is video game. It is tarantino. It is imdb.
It is coca-cola puberty. it is axe body spray. it is a white stain on boxer shorts. it is arri alexa hot dog caffeine on disney channel.

>>20364960
The "humor".
>>20365000
>known shitter
Fuck off schizo. I rarely post in these threads.

>>20365045
No argument, got it. Your opinion can be discarded.

>>20365049
kys landwhale

>>20365027
So small-minded. Does it help you sleep better, generalizing everyone who disagrees with you as a member of a group you don't like?
>>20365045
Are you alright? I think you need to take a break from the internet for a while.

>>20365045
I'm going to assume your problem with the first line is that the word "her" is in it.

>>20365069
All carpet munchers should be raped to death with broomsticks.

>>20365045
This is your brain after being brainwashed by 4chan shitposting and memes.

>>20365049
>>20365059
>>20365069
the author of gideon the ninth needs a good dicking, maybe than she'll write a book that isn't complete dog shit

NEW THREAD WHEN?

>>20365101
Page ten, you obnoxious faggot. You already know.

>>20364960
>>20364953
>>20364984
smut in the opening sentence is hack alert
its like movies that open with pointless sex scenes

>>20365045
You need to get off 4chan, its unhealthy.

>>20365110
Kek, guaranteed replies every time from you spastics

>>20365099
All this anger over a book that you chose to discuss.

Nothing of value was lost

>>20365099
Based

>>20362170
>Guns of the Dawn
I've already checked out the others you mentioned but not this one so thanks for the rec

>>20365045
I can’t imagine letting a book making you this emotional. Seek help.

Read the first six chapters of A practical guide to evil and so far, not that impressed. Going to keep reading until chapter 10, but so far, seems to be a mediocre to average story.

>>20365243
It gets better early on, but the early chapters are the weakest in my opinion, and that’s with knowing how things play out later on.

>>20365268
I don't know, it just feels like your standard YA story, but in reverse. Instead of Joining the resistance, she joins the evil empire, I don't know. Maybe I'll finish book one, but that's my feelings towards to the story.

>>20365283
Sorry you feel about that, finish book one and if you still don’t like, just drop it.

>>20365302
I'll probably do that, only reason why I began reading the story is because people here were raving about it.

>>20365268
>It gets better early on,
Later on.

>>20365319
You could try Worm.

>>20365367
>Worm
Isn't that just grimdark edge shit?

>>20365373
More psychological than edge, overall, you’ll enjoy it. Don’t be fooled, it’s not capeshit.

>>20363500
Which part was your favorite.

>>20364118
>I have no idea where you guys get this idea that female authors are all prim, prudish feminists
From 4chan.

>>20362466
>John Scalzis writing style
What's wrong with it? Never read Scalzis before.

>>20360248
>Lord of the rings
>utter shit
The fuck is your problem?

>>20365441
He was filtered by Tolkien.

I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
J.R.R. Tolkien

>>20365420
I think from this screenshot alone you could infer yourself what's wrong with his style of writing.

>>20365482
It doesn’t. What’s wrong with the writing.

>>20365478
Tolkien really was the only good fantasy author.

>>20365487
Nice try, John.

>>20365496
I don’t give two shits what authors do with their blogs or Twitter. Again, all I want to know what’s wrong with the writing.

>>20365502
He won't answer you because he never read the book.

>>20365156
It's by far my favorite flintlock. Tchaikovsky nails the merging of Regency Romance with Vietnam War Horror

>>20365539
>Tchaikovsky
He does fantasy? I thought he only did science fiction?

>>20364913
And you just got me to pick it up.

>>20364913
Holy shit that's bad

>>20365551
I'm at least going to add it to my ever-growing list. I'm currently dithering on going to a new series after I'm done with the current book I'm on or reading a new addition to one I caught up to a while back. Too many things to read.

>>20365482
I don't think that stuff really comes through in his books. I had read several of his books and didn't expect his twitter to be like that at all based on what I'd read.

>>20365568
You read self-publish books?

>>20365604
Yeah, I've read some. Read Cradle (and all of the rest of Will Wight's work subsequently, which wasn't as good), for example.

>>20365605
Already read the first book of cradle and didn’t like it. Didn’t click for me, anything else.

>>20359947
>Elves are blonde, fair skinned, long ears
Not Tolkien
>like archery
Literally only Legolas
>Dwarves are bald
Not Tolkien
>Dark Elves
Not Tolkien
>Ogres
Not Tolkien

You're just listing basic norse myth with a sprinkle of D&D on top, and misrepresenting Tolkien's legendarium

>>20365610
Oh, I dunno actually what else I've read even is self-published. I think Cradle's weakest books are the first, fourth and ninth anyway, so I'd at least suggest the second as another to read to see if you like what the series is really about. The first two books honestly feel like they should've just been one.

>>20365487
There isnt exactly anything wrong with the writing, I just know that its the type that would turn some people off reading his stuff
Its quite crude and informal with lots of random sex and swearing.
The type where you could sometimes imagine one of the characters finishing a sentence just to snap their fingers and go "Yeah bitch"

>>20365518
You don't have to eat a shit sandwich to know it will taste like shit.

>>20365625
Maybe on a later date I’ll read more of Cradle but for now, I won’t.

>>20365643
>There isnt exactly anything wrong with the writing, I just know that its the type that would turn some people off reading his stuff
>Its quite crude and informal with lots of random sex and swearing.
Literally a non-issue with me.

>>20365643
>Its quite crude and informal with lots of random sex and swearing.
I mean, unless your underage, that shouldn't be an issue. Am I missing something more?

>>20365667
hedonistic and over indulgent

>>20365671
So nothing then? Alright.

>>20359947
Elves should be blacksmiths because they're good at making beautiful magical things

>>20365674
its a loud exhortation of shit values
which is nothing if you have shit values yourself
I don't mind differing views in my literature, but I prefer it to be presented tastefully, as opposed to the tactfulness of a lgbt parade in san francisco

>>20365683
Sounds like you’re making a non-issue into an issue.

>>20365045
You will never be a pasta.

>>20365667
Its not an issue for me, which is why finished the entire series
Here is an example of his writing from the prologue of the first book, which comes right after describing the flow which allows the ships to travel between colonies
>And even that was a crap way of describing it, because human languages are crap at describing things more complex than assembling a tree house.
>The accurate way of describing the Flow involved the sort of high-order math probably only a couple hundred human beings across the billions of the Interdependency could understand, much less themselves use to describe it meaningfully.
>You likely would not be one of them.
>Nor, for that matter, would Captain Gineos or Executive Officer Inverr

>>20363301
Fantasy at it's best. Fantastical ethnical warfare led by proud warrior kings.

>>20365616
>You're just listing basic norse myth with a sprinkle of D&D on top, and misrepresenting Tolkien's legendarium
Isn’t that literally every fantasy that tries to copy Tolkien?

Do you guys know if any fantasy or science fiction author writes story about Nature?

I'm seeing a lot of Fire and Blood hardbacks in perfect condition being sold for cheap
Is it really that bad?

>>20365737
>Fire and Blood
It just expands the world of A song of ice and fire.

>>20365689
it is a non issue *for you* and I just explained why, but your over indulgence, which you love to see reflected in your media, has made you deaf to the idea that other people may see things differently from you and has made fruitful sharing of ideas impossible
deflate your ego

>>20365625
I thought the second book was weaker than the first desu anon. The advancement scene at the end was cool, though. If you've read the latest book, how do you feel about Eithan being Ozriel?

>>20365748
Don’t get all offended, anon.

New thread
>>20365798

New new thread
>>20365813

>>20365799
>>20365815
Wow, that shitposter really wants to make his post into a new pasta. Kinda sad and pathetic.

Christ, new thread
>>20365825

>>20365819
Is he really mad that people enjoyed a book or something?

>>20365833
Yeah, now he’s trying to be the OP, what a schizo.

>>20365833
gideon the ninth is shit and you should fuck off for shilling it

>>20365839
I will never understand why you people get mad that people enjoy books.

>>20365849
stop shilling your books

>>20365851
What shilling? I didn't shill anything, people were talking about a book, I don't know why you had to sperg out on them for it.

>>20365851
Take your meds

>>20365856
stop pretending to be innocent

>>20365859
Take your meds.

>>20365859
Stop sperging out, I didn't shill anything.

>>20365857
>>20365867
shill

>>20365869
Meds

>>20365868
yeah sure mate

>>20365776
it was genuine advice

>>20365875
Get your head check if you think people discussing books here is shilling.

Yes, giving attention to a /v/ crossboarder is a good way to end the thread. Probably the samefag who called 'crossboarder' a big word.

>>20365902
He already shat up the new thread.

>>20365906
And you children who constantly respond to the crossboarding shitposters and complain all throughout the thread are just as bad.

>>20365923
No, him, but I wouldn't be surprised if crossboarding shitposter samefagged.

>>20365750
It's basically the only answer that made sense to tie the two plots together, otherwise Suriel and Lindon's plots wouldn't really 'matter' to each other. I also liked the overall reveal of his backstory, in that he's basically just every xianxia cultivator protagonist except when he peaked he looked back and was like "Oh, fuck, I am alone".