/lit/ - Literature

>>20363791
Too atheist for the Christians. Too Christian for the atheists.

She should flash her tits in cairo and get raped by a hundred hungry men

>Nov 28 2007
>last update Mar 16, 2021
jabbed, RIP karen

>>20363801
Even horny Arabs aren’t THAT desperate

>>20363791
Because they're not hobby.

>>20363791
Post-war liberalism has adopted a “do as thou will” mentality. This is inherently opposed to any authority that would constrain them, morally, without their express consent. The idea that the safe, pleasurable society they enjoy can only be provided by an authoritarian is disconcerting.

>>20363883
I disagree. Collectivism is the law of the land. Post-war liberalism likes to pretend it's "do as thou will", but it's really "do as the collective wills you to". And then they just confound the individual, society, and the state. See how much hatred the state and its agents have for relatively liberty-minded leftists like Elon and Rogan. See the past 2 years in America in general.

And the collective, of course, is guided by the state because the masses have no will of their own. Thus we've just entered a more stable and insidious form of totalitarianism.

>>20363961
>>20363791
oh, to answer OP:
>bro u signed the contract!
>ur signature is right here man!
See Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's criticism of the social contract

>>20363961
Not to mention post ww2 mainstream culture is extremely moralist, this is the basis for twisting up people's minds and obscuring or destroying any bonds or values, and it doesn't react to deviation with 'concern' but mindless attacking by any means. Moralism is also the basis of anything the establishment wants.

>>20363961
Kind of proves Hobbes’s point. People pretend to have a libertine morality, but preserving this society has required a global, centralized surveillance state that discourages dissent. The hatred of Hobbes is the realization that their beliefs and desires are self-betraying.

>>20363791
I like Hobbes quite a bit. At least in terms of political theory, he's easily the best modern. Rest of his stuff is not that great but there are still gems and he was a good writer. As far as physicalism goes, he's unsurpassed.

>>20363791
what’s a hobbe

>>20363791
idk man, too cautious for my taste, too rigid and toady
I always liked Calvin better

>>20363791
She sounds pretty retarded and doesn't make much of an argument, but I'd wager she's what I like to call a Good Person. A deeply emotional moralist, that just happens to also be atheist (the type that will say stuff like "you can be a good person without being religious").
Hobbes' attack on this worldview has pretty much nothing to do with his Christianity, as far as I remember. He simply argues that from his (very materialist) viewpoint there is no objective (or universal) good, which both makes sense and denies the Good Person's entire ideology (and in fact the basis for the Good Person's attacks on theists).
Nobody likes having their worldview challenged, that Hobbes is Christian is just a very simple excuse for not engaging with him further.

t. atheist

>>20364352
Hobbes is a crypto-atheist.

>>20364352
>t. atheist
We could tell from your hollow and self-indulgent post don't worry

>>20364369
Thanks bro, I aim to please.

>>20364342
I unironically expected to see discussion on why a feminist hated Calvin and Hobbes.

>>20363791
Crypto-Chinese preaching Legalism a millennium too late, which also perfectly explains >>20363793
I can never thank the /lit/ anon that made this image enough

>>20363791
If she feels this way about Hobbes, I want to tape her eyelids open and force her to read Du Pape.

>>20363791
polsci 101 philosopher

>>20363791
Hobbies are great. Why would someone dislike the concept of having a hobby?

>>20363791
Hobbes is one of the least Christian thinkers of the early modern period. There's a compelling argument that he wasn't a Christian in any meaningful sense at all. He thought that God was some kind of "corporeal" or "material" figure, somebody who was simply powerful enough to cause the universe to unfold as it did, and that we should worship him because of his power alone. It's only a hop, skip, and a throw from that position to believing that all political and religious orders were founded by some powerful person a long time ago. Hobbes is a might makes right kind of person, but one who believes that the competition itself is not worth it, hence his political philosophy.

>>20365112
Oh yeah, Hobbes lends a ton of philosophical resources to liberalism. There's nothing about Hobbes that says you have to surrender power to one MONARCH, but rather one SOVEREIGN, and that sovereign could be any political structure. In fact, Hobbes switched allegiances between Parliament and king during the ECW. One could easily view Locke as someone who bargains with Hobbes to have a more "inclusive" government while sharing more or less the same epistemic and moral outlook on life.

>>20363791
>Mein Kempf

Hoobes

>>20365112
> Hobbes is a might makes right kind of person
No. The government he describes in Leviathan is based on individuals covenanting with the Sovereign, thereby alienating all of their rights. Hobbes's theory of signs (the first third of Leviathan) allows for covenants made by force to be legitimate, so the Sovereign can force his subjects to make such a covenant. However, forcing the subjects to do so is not necessary. The Sovereign's power does not legitimize his right to rule; the process of covenanting between the ruled and the Sovereign does.

>>20363791
He lays the ontological foundations (pupper) for ~classical liberalsim~ which by leftist standards makes him a fascism.

>>20364288
It's the part on the top of your oven.

>>20363866
having a woman like that is like their equivalent of fast food.

>>20366268
Surprised it took this long for someone to catch that