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You can't be both.

>>20358086
I'm pretty sure Jacques Ellul wrote about that to some degree

Jacques Ellul called himself a Christian Anarchist, and he has written many theological books, not just the ones on technology.

>>20358126
Christianity is an inherently anarchist ideology. Humans are flawed, and all Earthly governments are controlled by humans. Even the most devout Christian rulers in the Bible, such as David and Solomon, were flawed people.

>>20358086
>>20358192
>render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Christians should be if anything law-abiding but apolitical, only breaking the law if it goes directly against God's teachings.

>>20358192
isn't the message of the new testament is literally just cope with how shit your life is under roman rule?

Christianity is inherently Monarchist

>>20358207
>>20358209
Anarchy isn't inherently about violence. It's simply about acknowledging that your government is terrible.

hello jim

Read everything Bakunin wrote while he was still alive (i.e. not God and the State). Ignore the Appendixes.

>>20358192
No bro because we wait for the perfect rule that comes when Jesus Christ is king of the earth. We dont hope for anarchy yo come but perfect obedience and perfect rulership from Christ the king

>>20358209
Yes it is. Just read 1 Peter or phillipians or Hebrews. We wait and take a beating because Christ will come and get revenge for us and establish his rule on earth.

>Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
>Matthew 18:8 KJVAE
https://bible.com/bible/547/mat.18.8.KJVAE

>>20358086
Read Jacques Ellul (Subversion of Christianity, Anarchy and Christianity) and Ernst Junger (Eumeswil, The Forest Passage).

There's a good book by Bernard Charbonneau (long-time friend of Ellul) called Theilhard de Chardin, prophète d'un âge totalitaire" that deals with mainstream Christianity and its lack of criticality to modern society.

I've heard Giorgio Agamben leans Christian Anarchist these days. Might be worth checking out.

>>20358086
Tolstoy was a Christian Anarchist

>>20358192
And yet those flawed men were put there by the Almighty to rule and to be agents of wrath. It is not ours to overthrow them or to work wickedness in implementing a political goal.
>For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
>For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

>>20359884
On the Importance of the Upcoming Moral Revolution is probably the work that puts his views most succinctly, highly recommended.

>>20358192
Christ literally says the exact opposite of this in the Gospels lol quit applying your fringe ideology to the Bible.

>>20360008
Where did this come from? Even if Abrahamic kings were described this way, it's absolutely fucking laughable to apply it to any of today's governments. Who is the minister of God to me for good in America, fucking pedophiles and war criminals?

>>20360114
>1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
It's in Romans 13. Paul was talking about Roman emperors. He was talking about the men who slaughtered Christians, and by who's hands he himself would later be martyred. I cannot imagine a more radical anti-anarchism.

>>20358086
Impossible, to be an anarchist you have to stop being a cuck and fight. Christianity is peak cuck (slave) morality and thoroughly incompatible.

1. Politician is a job.
2. A Politician can choose his platform.
3. Anarchy is a platformable ideology.
R. A Politician can be an Anarchist. (Any form of anti-Zionism is Anarchy because of ZOG)

Your job as a non-politician is to select your politician.

Not to mention Bakunin said something along the lines of "We want Anarchy. We want what the United States of America has", indicating that no one knows wtf that word means in the context of 19th century Eastern Europe.

>>20358086
Was a paleolibertarian before becoming Christian, but now I'm more of a monarchist. Either way libertinism is cringe and Christ is King.

The Bible is not really an ‘anarchist’ work. The Bible endorses government to an extent but it is clear from the Bible that even governments who ruled with God in mind were prone to going astray, worshiping idols and persecuting the righteous. Good rulers will obey the will of God and rule in accordance with the good and divine law, but in these last days this becomes more and more rare. This is why we must know that Christ’s kingdom is not of this world. Anyone saying that the Bible endorses submission to the government at all costs does not understand its message. Did Daniel obey the king when he told him to bow before idols? No. Did Elijah cuck out when Baal worship was mandated? No. Did the Jews of the time of Antiochus Epiphanes just sit quietly when true worship and religion was profaned? Martyrdom in opposition to worldly government is the message of Revelation in particular. Paul was writing before the major persecutions by the Roman state and his message should be read in that context. He was advising not to stir up unnecessary trouble, but ultimately stressed our citizenship in heaven, not the world. Jesus Christ Himself certainly put living in the Kingdom far above every government. Those who understand ‘render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and renter unto God the things that are God’s’ as necessarily a reference to ‘pay your taxes’ have been led astray. All things belong to God. The image on the coin is a man, created in the image of God. His sovereignty is unlimited above ever ‘Caesar’ there is.

>>20360779
>Your job as a non-politician is to select your politician.
Your job as a non-politician is to shoot everyone else's politicians.

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>>20360114
Such is the great Christlikeness had Paul and the early Christians. Even in the face of such woeful terrors and persecutions, they took the slap to their cheek and turned the other cheek for it to be slapped too. For even the Romans too were made in the likeness of God.
Such is the greatness of those Christian martyrs that few can understand.

>>20358086
Ellul

>>20360092
1 Samuel 8

10 And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.

11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.

18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

>>20358192
>all Earthly governments are controlled by Satan
FTFY

>>20358086
>Would someone have reading recommendations?

Some of the American abolitionists became anarchists. It is an interesting story.

The subject is addressed in this article: https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/radical-abolitionists

Lewis Perry's book "Radical Abolitionism" is "an intellectual history of the anarchistic strain in abolitionist thought." Reviewed here: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/419209/pdf

Lysander Spooner was one of the most interesting of these characters. The legal scholar Randy Barnett discusses him and his work in this article: https://oll.libertyfund.org/page/liberty-matters-randy-barnett-lysander-spooner

>>20361328
PS: Forgot to mention, most of the abolitionists who became anarchists were Christians.

>>20358126
The church build on Saint Peter is a hierarchical institution, so you cant truly be a Christian and an anarchist
Even hermit monks recognise the rule of the bishops, cardinals, patriarchs or the pope

>>20361345
>The church
cope

>>20358086
I like both Ellul and Tolstoy although the latter has tendency to reduce it all to just another

>>20361775
just another moral code

>>20358224
are you a woman?

>>20358086
>Do we have Christian anarchists here?
Yep.