/lit/ - Literature

>>20355824
that aint how he sword looked

>>20355824
I got filtered. gave up after the second book. There was so much shit that went over my head. I really enjoyed parts of it but not enough to keep reading.

>>20355824
In what sense?

>>20355838
The other one is at the cleaners

>>20355824
Yes I keep reading armiger as armnigger.

>>20355824
I don’t get what’s difficult about it. I’ve only finished shadow of the torturer. Does it get turbo complicated after or what?
It’s just Severian having multiple
Oneitis and some incestuous guy tries to kill him. Then the actors bring him along and he tries to return the claw

>>20355909
what is the claw than smarty pants, how about whats going on at the gardens. what year is it, what country is he in, whop is in charge and how?

>>20355824
What is so tough about this book? Looked for a pdf but no avail

>>20355851
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION

>>20356061
no

I enjoyed most of the book, but having a literal simp as the protagonist was a bad choice.

>>20356127
everyone who even talks to women is a simp in zoomieland

>>20355975
>what is the claw
We don't know yet. It's a magic stone, a relic that can bring people back from the dead.

> whats going on at the gardens
Super advanced Biosphere 2. Might have dimensional portals, time travel, who knows. It's magic, ain't gotta explain shit.

>what year is it, what country is he in, whop is in charge and how?
It's so far into the future that the sun is red and the earth is dying; the year is irrelevant.
The equator is to the north, so Nessus is possibly in south america, but due to tectonic shift the world is probably very different to how it looks now.
The Autarch is in charge; because he just is.

Ultimately, who gives a shit. Enjoy the writing for what it is.

>>20356167
hooooooooooly filtered cope

>>20356192
I can't be filtered if I already finished all the books, dumbass. Honestly, the amount of fucking retards on this board.

>>20356149
Yes. I risk being called a simp just by replying to you.

>>20355975
>how about whats going on at the gardens.
Time travel
>what year is it,
Current year + a million
>what country is he in,
Argentina
>whop is in charge and how?
The autarch?
Also whats with the floating building?
I would also like to mention that agia is a whore

>>20355824
What were the torturers doing in the cemetery at the beginning? I still don't get it

>>20356149
I hate zoomers so much it's unreal

>>20356976
Having a cheeky swim in the river after hours when they were supposed to be in the citadel.

I've only read the first two, do you ever find out what happened at the gate at the end of the first book?

>>20356941
If by floating building you mean the cathedral of the Pelerines which Severian sees fly into the air, it's a kind of spacecraft or "flier"

>>20357364
It's mentioned later in passing that uhlans were blocking the Piteous gate and cause Severian's traveling party to become separated.

did he really fuck his grandma?

>>20357916
If he's really Ouen's son, then yeah buddy.

>>20355850
I'm at this point right now.
>>20356941
I get all this but I don't get the point? Unreliable narrator, everything isn't as it seems, fakeout fantasy setting is actually sci fi. But like, why am I supposed to give a shit? Is it really the 'mystery' that appeals to people? Because these characters are awful. If it's all about Spaceship Earth and Severian is Space Jesus or something, okay. Doesn't really take away the hundreds of pages I've spent being bored.

>>20356167
The claw is just a rock, the real claw was severian and the friends he made along the way

>>20358370
This is by the way verbatim what is revealed in Urth of the New Sun.

>>20356941
>Current year + a million
I don't think that's accurate, the continental layout of Earth is too similar to ours for that to be the case. Also, it's alluded that the Sun is not dying due to it's natural life cycle progression, but there's nothing concrete about this as far as I can remember.
>>20358252
What kind of a next-level NPC do you have to be to continue reading something you are not enjoying for literal "hundreds of pages" just to say that you finished it? Jesus, nigger, get a grip.

>>20355824

>>20358252
>Unreliable narrator, everything isn't as it seems, fakeout fantasy setting is actually sci fi.
None of that matters. Severian is reliable where it counts and whether it's Scifi or Fantasy isn't important. It's about Severian trying to overcome is upbringing as a torturer.

>>20358252
>Unreliable narrator, everything isn't as it seems, fakeout fantasy setting is actually sci fi.
None of that matters. Severian is reliable where it counts and whether it's Scifi or Fantasy isn't important. It's about Severian trying to overcome his upbringing as a torturer.

>>20358554
>next-level NPC do you have to be to continue reading something you are not enjoying for literal "hundreds of pages" just to say that you finished it?
Not everything worth reading is immediately satisfying? Complex books can have slow parts or slogs that ultimately pay off into something transformative.

>>20356976
swimming and nearly drowning

>>20358370
>>20358497
I was saying that in the context of someone having read only the first book.
Most people get filtered by Shadow because they're impatient and everything isn't immediately spelled out and spoonfed to them.

>>20358252
The point is to fuck dorcas. That makes it all worth it

Friendly reminder the first book is the best.

>there are really people on /lit/ who got filtered by Pringles Man

>>20358595
What does the cat have to do with anything?

>>20359237
Two women with the heads of cats serve the Autarch. Severian admires their claws for their resemblance to his Claw.

>>20356980
There's a real divide between the Iphone generation and the rest of us. Though some boomers have more in common with zoomers simply because they're stuck in the same screen tapping addiction cycle and believe whatever the media tells them.

>>20355975
>how about whats going on at the gardens
You might learn more about it as you read on. You don't have to "get" everything first read.
> what country is he in
He is most definitely in South America, Somewhere around modern-day Chile is the consensus.

>>20360646
Is there some kind of companion book or piece to the series?

>>20358628
How do you get to this from "hundreds of pages" to "not immediately satisfying", lmao.
>Complex books can have slow parts or slogs that ultimately pay off into something transformative.
Yeah, sci-fantasy novels, some real esoteric stuff. A real killer. Better re-read them twice if you didn't like the first 200 pages and thrice if you hated the entire thing, it really opens up then.

>>20360681
Not that I know of. Just read it and then you can listen to the alzabo soup podcast or something for an in-depth discussion if you want.

>>20355824
*insert whore mom joke here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7sMyF5smM

>>20360707
If you don't enjoy it and want to try and piece together the story then maybe you should read something else. However I'd still recommend you finish it and read it with an open mind.

I have an important lore question, who has cuter feet, thecla or dorca>>20358761
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>>20358554
> the continental layout of Earth is too similar to ours for that to be the case
He said million. Even if 20 million years would pass the continents would still look recognizable.
>it's alluded that the Sun is not dying due to it's natural life cycle progression
Where do you get this?

>>20360744
>Where do you get this?
Urth of the New Sun

>>20357366
what? I kinda got the impression that it was just a cloth tent and it was lifted into the air by the heat from all the straw inside that was inside. At least thats how I remember it.

>>20360874

>all the straw inside that was *on fire*

>>20358595
The what I got image should be just be exactly the same as what I expected + all the other stuff.

>>20360874
You are correct. It was not a space ship. I think this is explained in Citadel. Their cathedral is not made out of anything solid because they are always on the move. It’s basically a giant tent that got launched into the air because it was burned. Kind of like a hot air balloon.

>>20360719
Ok, thanks. I've read it but couldn't find any good discussion on it other than really old email chains.

>>20360734
>thecla or dorca
Thecla ain't cute at all. Dorcas on the other hand is almost too cute.

>>20360744
I forget where but it’s hinted strongly by the end the sun placed in a Dyson sphere or something similar and it’s not dying, it’s because we broke it

>>20355824
dropped it like a quarter of the way through, i just couldn't get into it

>>20360646
>You don't have to "get" everything first read.
this is why the book didn't really work for me. i'm ok with there being a few small things here and there that i wont get the first time through, but this book feels like really important stuff isn't initially explained and you've either got to have a really good memory so you can have an "aha!" moment 100 pages later and then put stuff together or you're just intended to have a shitty time the first pass through the series and then go back and enjoy it.

>>20361854
This, I'm sure the pay off is really great later but I don't have the discipline to march through the swamp first

This nigga has sex with every foid he meets

>>20360557
>the iphone generation
I can hear your joints popping from here.

>>20355975
I'm the guy you answered. But yeah, so far the claw is just a stone.
The gardens are just artificial biomes made for preservation that can also be aluring to people.
The exact year is irrelevant, but the sun is dying.
Country is somewhere south, probably.
The Autarch is in charge, there are some other herachies mentioned but I don't see how it's relevant during the first book.

>>20356127
don't worry, in the second book he just starts raping

>>20361854
>got to have a really good memory
Are you saying it would have to be perfect
that in the final reckoning your memory loses nothing

>>20356127
>having a literal simp as the protagonist
A large part of the story is him overcoming his sexual perversion.

My book club finished this up last month. I'm probably gonna start the second book soon.

>>20355975
>what is the claw
It has healing powers, Severian even fucking spells out that he survived the poisonous flower duel because of it. Did you speedread?

>how about whats going on at the gardens
high-tech botanical gardens that literally "capture" historic environments. I think there's probably some kind of seed ship or something around.

>what year is it
millions of years into the future given the sun is literally red
>what country is he in
Somewhere in South America, they mention the equator being to the north and the plant/animal life somewhat infers it also someone in the book club showed me a map
>who is in charge and how?
The house absolute, and I think it's eugenics because they mention everyone highborn is distinguishably tall, and Severian appears to be a highborn bastard or something because he's mistaken for one.

>>20358252
>fakeout fantasy setting is actually sci fi

There's a laser gun fired in the first chapter, there's reference to gun rooms and propulsion chambers in the citadel in the 3rd chapter, and in chapter 5 he sees a portrait of an astronaut on the moon and they talk about how it used to be grey and how it's fertile now

>>20360681
Yes. It's called Lexicon Urthus. Apparently, it's rare. Just get it from Z-Library.