/lit/ - Literature

>>20352233
Dostoevsky, Demons

>>20352233
Bernie is a cuck fraud. Can't believe I thought he was genuine.

>>20352233

>>20352233
The Romans did it at some point.

>>20352233
hesiod's theogony

>>20352233

Who is us? Who is in charge?

Socialism was very different before paper money.

>>20352262

The Egyptians before the Romans

Read this + Chartism by Carlyle + one other book I'll post next and you will have a better idea than most

>>20352439
The other book

>>20352242
What makes you say that? I liked Bernie but I've been out of politics for a while. What did he do?

>>20352453
Not him but he completely sold out and bent over backwards to get fucked in the ass by the Democrat establishment and suck its dick at the same time

Got completely screwed out of the nomination in a way that was transparently crooked to the entire country, then cucked like a good little boy and supported those who did it to him, betraying his own supporters for whom he was a symbol of rebellion against that very crooked establishment and its willful torpor

I think the funniest for me was when he cooperated with the Biden administration's nominations even to the point of ratifying Neera Tanden (was that her?) who is a crony politico and had humiliated him in the past

His legacy is robbing his own movement of all its momentum at the critical moment when it had placed all its faith in him, he could unironically have changed the course of American history. I say all this not giving a fuck about Bernie or stupid incrementalist social democrat bullshit, I am just saying it's obvious even to an outsider looking in.

>>20352233
Acts of the Apostles

>>20352475
>Got completely screwed out of the nomination in a way that was transparently crooked to the entire country,
You faggots are still seething about this? Bernie lost fait and square. Don’t tell me t left is going to partake in election stealing conspiracy theories.

>>20352475
Bernie lost cuz his ideas are unpopular. Simple as amigo.

>>20352475
This, he’s such a cuck it’s embarrassing

Doesn't it go back to Plato, writing that having everything in common ownership as well as having all women and children belong to all men equally.
It was a dumb idea that everyone made fun of at the time and since.

>>20352737
It’s not a theory that there was a conspiracy. It’s documented fact. Hilary voter, please. No one believes your Ukrainian propaganda either.

>>20352819
They’re demonstrably popular across the political spectrum. Still. The ideas live on past the man. Everyone wants medicare for all and student debt forgiveness.

>>20352902
>>20352475
Absolutely.

>>20352984
>They’re demonstrably popular across the political spectrum
Across the spectrum?
>democratic populists '70s-90s new left'
>radical socialists 'old left'
>welfare-state liberals 'neoliberals/neocons'
>conservative corporatists 'new right'
>right-libertarians 'old right'
I don't think he was popular with conservatives or right-libertarians.

>>20353009
As I just said, the issues mentioned are very popular with people that describe themselves as Republicans, Democrats and independent.
Include ending the wars and you have a small sliver of arms manufacturers who might not be on board, but most people would have voted for Tulsi too if not for her being pushed aside like they so obviously do.

>>20352475
Check out Bern's wife too. She is corrupt af.

>>20352475
pretty much this, this is what I meant by cuck fraud

>>20353046
>with people that describe themselves as Republicans, Democrats and independent
These are just parties of terms for political candidates.
>arms manufacturers who might not be on board
These are not the only people keeping America involved in the Middle-East.

>>20353046
Lol student loan forgiveness isn’t popular with anybody

>>20353500
>lol. Students want to pay off their imaginary debt for the rest of their lives lol
0/10

>>20352233
Why did you post 2 liberals

>>20353514
>only 13% percent of Americans have federal loan debt
>50% of it is held by grad students
>65% of americans never even went to college
>poorest 20% only owe 8% of the debt
>even most people under 30 don’t want cancellation
>so popular dems have done literally nothing about it for a year and a half

>>20352233
conquest of bread

>>20352233
Nietzsche, it's basically secular slave morality

>>20352984
>student debt forgiveness
Not that popular and that's why Bernie attracted many Ivy League weirdos like Brianna Joy Gray

The origins of socialism is just the embarrasing failure of the capitalism and the fact that not everyone can be brainwashed into being a full on capital cuckold, unlike most of the retards on here who probably worship Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk as little mini gods

>>20354022
Yet there is no agreed consensus on what socialism means
>>20354018
Its a sham. I always thought Occupy Wall Street was a load of horseshit from the start. Most people who can afford college in America are usually are from families who at least somewhat well off, during the oughts all I did was mop floors as a janitor, I couldn't save up enough to get in.

>>20354033
Just remember: defending billionaires online will never make them love you

>>20354018
>>20353682
>nothing about Medicare for all
You’re not even trying. Why respond?

>>20354039
that's not what I said. read it again.

>>20354100
I agree that Medicare is popular, hun. That's why I quoted a specific part.
Now go pay up for another round of Bernie giving sinecures to retarded podcasters with Ivy degrees that throw him under the bus for not securing the black and queer votes.

>>20352233
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch23.htm

>>20352475
I think his overall strategy is correct. Basically he beats the drum but closes ranks on election day and then goes back to beating the drum, introducing more people to those ideas as more and more people get disgusted with politicians. And even a lot of self-described socialist people saying Bernie "betrayed" them were introduced to those ideas via his campaigns in the first place, so I think they'll grow out of it, since I think those people are more at war with the person they were yesterday. Bernie as a man isn't so individually important.

>>20354018
I think part of it is intellectual overproduction where the U.S. system has produced a lot of people like her but doesn't provide jobs for them so they become rabble rousers.

(I think the same phenomena is mirrored on the right too)

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>>20354458
>any non-Marxist casually mention proletariat
(X) Doubt

>>20354302
someone I know wants to translate Duhring's writings to get his perspective on the debate, plus what views he actually held.

>US
>Socialism
Do Amerigolems really?

>>20352233
procupius of caesarea, the war with the goths, for the russians
you go even further back, about zoroastarians, but i dont know the name of religion.

>>20354465
about as productive as jerking off but whatever floats xer boat

>>20354493
There’s a long proud tradition of socialism in the US

>>20355618
American "people" really think this

>>20352475
It's almost like socialism is for faggots.