/lit/ - Literature

>>20320482
everytime I think about something, I first ask myself what would Guénon think about that

>>20320819
pbuh

>>20320482
they liberated me from the false assumptions that the modern educational system told me were right and verified by "experts"

>>20320844
Based. I realized the earth is hollow after reading The King of the World. Geology is fake news

>>20320482
No one can seriously read Guenon and remain neutral, you either understand and change your whole worldview or you don't understand and hate him. Guenon was the Al-Hallaj of our times.

>>20320884
he explicitly stated that such a literal point of view is hardly probable, you don't fool anyone

>>20320904
>he explicitly stated that such a literal point of view is hardly probable
Guenon also hates on probability theory in The Metaphysical Principles of the Infinitesimal Calculus.

>>20320913
And in Reign of Quantity he implies that magic worked in the East and not the West and that gemstones have occult powers.

They haven't at all. They're just interesting

>>20320918
this is either bait or you are mentally retarded

>>20320482
My view of things is no longer limited to natural world.

>>20320918
Why it not work in the west? why?!

>>20320942
don't listen to that retard, he is a well known poster that spreads misinformation about Guenon. Read the book and see for yourself.

>>20320939
have you seen the spirit world yet?

>>20320966
yes, with the eye of the heart

>>20320942
Guenon believed the left and right were qualitatively distinct. He literally meant East and West in a geographical sense not just a cultural one.

It's complete gibberish

>>20320482
After being half way in RoQ why do I bother with Kant's CoPR?
https://youtu.be/LQOvpLUoYxw
Honestly just gonna stick to the Pali Canon after Spritiual Authority by RG

I'm currently reading Nasr's Knowledge and the Sacred. It's my first serious encounter with Traditionalism but so far I emphatically agree with everything I've read.

>>20320966
No, and to be honest I don't know do I even want to experience the higher realities. They sound pretty intense experiences.

why don't people talk about Schuon as much?

Fags keep people shilling this retard
No one wants to be a muslim here

>>20321034
Schuon was a New Age whacko. Claimed to be a Sufi and a Native American shaman at the same time. Made up nude rituals for his female followers.

>>20320918
Asians can make accupuncture work and make math child's play. I would not be surprised if they fucking floated on glowing rocks despite being rice peasants in debt to Anglos.

>>20321050
But Nasr seems to really like him.

>>20321056
This and Karate chopping cinderblock chiropractor kwan do

>>20320966
I see Ghosts and endorse Guenon. You dont get any smarter after you die by virtue of dying. Ghosts have nothing smart to say to but "hi" and "tell your mother I said hi"

>>20321034
A better question is, why don't people talk about A.K. Coomaraswamy as much? He is the only academic scholar among them.

>>20321059
If you want to read the real deal, go for the french La Gnose squad: Guenon, Matgioi, Agueli. Schuon and his followers are popular just because they live(d) in the anglo speaking world.

>>20321007
why shanki and gueni at mani kant's tomb? They were friends? They paying respects?

>>20320482
Nobody read Guenon, nobody will, this is clear by the fact that all threads are either about Guenon or the book covers
Since I first started lurking and posting on /lit/ not once was there a thread about one of Guenons ideas, his philosophy. Its always about either him as a person and face, or about the esthetic of owning his books
Everytime I call out the Guenonposters, and never were they able to actually summarize his philosophy.
The Husserl, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Jung, Freud, all other really, posters on this board always have threads about their ideas, and ar always ready to post a short summary or explain to newposters what their ideas are about. But Guenonposters, never. Same for Evolaposters

>>20321345
I figured that out when I got memed into reading his book on calculus and I realized what a fucking retard he was. I posted some selections here and one Guenonfag even claimed I made one up.

>>20321345
true but you are forgetting when actual guenon readers started begging guenonfag to reply to them and stop disgracing guenon's name on /lit/ and guenonfag replied some cringe shit like "i do it for the lulz fuck you i'm spreading the guenon gospel #guenongospel"

one guy was really upset and really hated guenonfag kek

>>20321324

>>20321352
I dont remember what I first read but it ended up just being plagiarised Heidegger, coated in some
eastern lingo

high level Guenonfag vs. Frater Asemlen debate over here bros
>>20314524
enjoy

>Finally, entirely disinterested in any external action, we do not dream of addressing to the masses, nor of making ourselves understood by them.We care nothing for the opinion of the vulgar, we despise all attacks, from whatever quarter they may come, and we recognize no one's right to judge us.This being declared once and for all, we pursue our work without troubling ourselves with the noises from the outside;as an Arab proverb says: "The dogs bark, the caravan passes."

>René Guénon - La France Antimaçonnique, "What we are not" Declaration of Palingénius to the Management

hylics never stood a chance

>>20320482
Crisis made me comfy. Profane so1ence shoo shoo!

>>20321831
this is from my telegram channel btw
https://t.me/honorreligiondefyreligions

>>20320482
Ch v of RoQ time and space are dependently originated and linear time is a profane Jewish trick
Hmmmm this really feels like Buddhism with extra steps guys

of course not

of course yes

is this chart a meme?

pbuh

>>20320482

Substantially. I read him after reading some Evola, and while Evola was a more entertaining read, Guenon was a far more penetrating and deep read, and more thoroughly convinced me to seek something that wasn't modernity. I moved past him when I accepted Orthodox Christianity - but I appreciate him and he is on my prayer list.

At some point, I would like to write a book about appraising Guenon from the Orthodox Christian perspective - what he gets right, in particular his completely nuclear refutations of modernity and his subtle insights into the development of the fall of humanity over time, and what he gets wrong in trying to push Advaitin metaphysics into the secret core of every tradition.

>>20320482
I just see his cult follwers always pushing his bullshit and converting people to Islam

>>20322664

It seems like it's well put together. I would personally have a little less Sherrard on there (despite how insightful he is, his approach is a bit academic), and I would be surprised if the maker of the Chart actually read "Behind the Veil".

I would add "Genesis, Creation, and Early Man" to the list, but it is a very thick tome, despite how crucial it is to understand fully the doctrine of what early man was like in Orthodoxy, to see from what we've fallen.

>>20322689
>At some point, I would like to write a book about appraising Guenon from the Orthodox Christian perspective - what he gets right, in particular his completely nuclear refutations of modernity and his subtle insights into the development of the fall of humanity over time, and what he gets wrong in trying to push Advaitin metaphysics into the secret core of every tradition.
Didn't Seraphim Rose already do that?

>>20322790

If he did, then what he did wasn't published, so I haven't read it. He heavily read Guenon before becoming Orthodox, and wrote a letter to someone who was interested in both Guenon and Orthodoxy about the limits of Guenon to the level of detail that a letter could permit, but that's about it.

>>20322790
>Seraphim Rose
Admitted homosexual who died of a perforated colon at an all male monastery

>>20322868

You've already convinced one Anon here that there must be something good about Fr. Seraphim Rose if he prompts such unhinged, irrational countersignalling of him. The more you do this, the more Anons you will convince to read Fr. Seraphim Rose.

If your goal is to make Anons avoid reading him, you are backfiring amazingly, and proving the Psalmist right: "I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

>>20322689
Guénon said that his critique of modernity is based on his metaphysics, you can't separate the two.
The secret core of any tradition is pure metaphysics, identification with the one, hinduism, taoism, buddhism, some sufis here and there agree with it, if your religion doesn't then is incomplete.
I would prefer for people like you to never read Guénon. You will only drag others down with your sentimentalist crap.

>>20324461

What are you replying to? Did you even read my post?

>>20321345
In my experience it's the people claiming to refute Guenon who seem never to have read him. Not that there are many in the opposite camp either though.

What I've mainly learned from Gaynon is how many cringe incels there are and how much they enjoy larping, and how little they understand you need to actually practice what you preach

>>20321831
Based

I keep hearing about Guenon and im very intrigued. If i was to read one or two books of his that would give me a general idea what should i read?

I couldn't get past the first couple chapters where he talks about metaphysics. I have never dealt with these concepts before and I have no way of verifying if I understand them. Is the whole book like that or can I skip ahead to different stuff

>>20325189
I've dealt with these concepts a fair amount and I'm currently finding these chapters a little tricky. I think I might have to read through them again, because his writing is quite concise. Do anons on here know if he has any other books that cover the same metaphysics but a bit more patiently?

>>20320482
I became addicted to opioids.

>>20325189
>>20325388
Have you tried reading Crisis first? RoQ is harder

>>20322664
Looks good. I was already Orthodox, though, so I didn't have to read anything. Just the Bible.

>>20325571
I have read Crisis and had no problem understanding it. RoQ is more nitty gritty with the metaphysics though and I have never read about these concepts before.

>>20320482
it influenced my life due to this guru followers being posting his shit on /lit/ all day, everyday

>>20322868
Christianity is a shameful cult. Goddamn fags women and Jews worshipping their old lies triumphing over generative truth seekers. It's old guard Silicone Valley without the science and kino climate scenery. Oh but this magic faggot smelled like roses when he died! Ugh. Maybe he did maybe he didn't. Whether I bless him or curse him this jury is contemptible.

>>20320482
he predicted bitcoin in the chapter how currency devolved from gold blessed by priests to lists of numbers

>>20327168
also predicted the atomic bomb in 1924

>>20327168
>>20327209
based

>>20322669
based
>>20325165
I would recommend 'Against the Modern World' by Mark Sedgwick
it provides an overview of Guenon's life, core ideas, and the Traditionalist authors he influenced ranging from Schuon to Evola to Dugin and others

>>20322669
nice one

>>20321325
it's more along the lines of rip bozo packwatch rest in piss wont be missed etc etc

>>20321007
hylics keep sperging about you don't read le great thinkers, but why would i?
i plan to, just to be educated, but 90% is useless
t. got into /lit/ through evola

>>20320482
is it any good? im curious.
all I know is that Guenon final word before his death is "Allah / God."

>René Guénon died on Sunday, January 7, 1951 at the age of 64; his final word was "Allah".[75]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non#Death

>>20320482
I bought 'introduction to the study of the Hindu doctrines', but I never got round to reading it. It was apparently a good introduction to aid in the understanding of Traditionalism/Perennialism.

>>20327168
>in the chapter how currency devolved from gold blessed by priests to lists of numbers
Do you not understand how modern fiat currency and lending works?

>>20327209
Contrast this with Junger's writing in 'On Pain', 'The Worker', 'Copse 125' (and essays). Would be interesting.

Remember when Guenon was getting gangstalked by a Jewish lawyer in Cairo?

>>20331448
wat?

>>20331502
some Jewish lawyer was poking around Cairo looking to acquire a photograph of Guenon

>>20320482
McDonalds was a part time job.
Guenon foresaw all wars up to the present with his perfect formulae. He understood the inklings and course of the military industrial complex.
>>20330399
Behold, Anons...
Jihad vs McWorld before Jihad vs McWorld was written or even intimated by the slightest historical hint! Before McDonalds! Before the West warring the Middle East!
Captcha: P0RKY

You gotta get in the whirlwind of his thought to SEE it man

>>20332743
sovl of Basketbalandia

>>20322664
ignorant here. What does orthodoxy have to do with aryan perennialism?

>>20332970
Sex unironically
And commerce and employment and dumbed down ease of use

>>20332986
But then again what does Islam have to do with Guenon's geometrical GENIUS?

>>20332986
Can you elaborate?

>>20320482
Dipping my toes in Guenon and Heidegger made me remember how incredible it is to be alive. Being is a revelation of the divine, and the world now carries an overwhelming mystical beauty for me again.

>>20331428
Yes, lists of numbers blessed by the central bank (the profane equivalent of a sacred blessing). It's even more dubious than that because private banks can effectively create their own money using fractional reserves.

>>20333007
It's the only way left to live amongst the devil's herd without BIG GAY barging in and disturbing the nigger cattle constantly over the top.

>>20320819
Mental illness.

>>20333053
christianity seems to be big gay itself, especially in practice, but even theoretically unless you read scripture in specific unintuitive ways and disregard the obvious meaning of other bible passages.
Why would you want to live amongst the "devil's herd" (do you really call you disillusioned brothers and sisters this? discounting non-whites)?
Aside from christianity's existence among our people for the past 2000 years (not really an argument), it seems like almost any other religion would be a better vehicle for based outcomes.

>>20333071
Thats why Im going with Buddhism (so1berHinduism) and banking on non based white women vegan wicca sex (accidentally seduced). I am calling my fellow white man, yes even the Persian chads, even the whitest of the white Platinum Nordic Anglo white men, these all behave like inert apathetic "bro lets party"
"Bro lets go to church"
"Bro why dont you wanna go to church?"
Nigger cattle immune to reason and information. Maybe the Gnostic Buddhists will psychically brap in my ears to tune out this horror show.

>>20333071
"Orthodoxy" is BIG GAY's safeword

>>20333091
Buddhism seems gay and destructive too. It's win state is "transcend material bonds" aka "let jews kill my people." At least Hinduism has the "do your duty" of the bhagavad gita. I guess it's mildly better than christianity's win state of "disregard the world" aka "let the jews kill my people while loving my enemies and specifically not harming the jews."
I just want whatever will get white men to give a shit about the continued existence of themselves, their family and their race. I like ancestor worship in this regard because I think it's the most true thing intuitively for me. The people I find most holy are my ancestors, parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters. I feel like we need to get back to basics. Let a thousand small family cults bloom, where the patriarch has absolute control of his castle.

>>20333131
That is the heroic ideal fit for a strong man molded in hard times. The current audience is spoiled weak affeminates in "good times". Japanese standards end game arrived at by the ontological shock of herding nigger cattle with peaceloving gay Sutra so¥. The nigger cattle hate one thing: good, glory, golden solar virtuous light.

>>20333154
The Buddha says perception of light eases dullness and drowsiness. But how mild the allergic response of normies to my ascetic renunciation when gently walking in Bodicitta. Christians freaked out at me fasting and doing nofap even though their own text....yeah. Holy saint beer!

>>20333160
Buddha is the womb of BUSHIDO

Half white HEYA HOYA here
https://youtu.be/9UglUjiJifA
I read in a thread here the other day that Schuon considered himself some syncretic kind of Native American shaman. As much as I have taken such experience myself it is fleeting, infrequent and miniscule despite its overwhelming orienting vivacity and force. The meditating techniques of Buddhists, Daoists, etc this forming a community is far more steady and organizable. The Shaman is above everyone else studying and practicing because he induces mystic experience unmatched in vivacity and force: unparalleled absence of doubt.
This is why Plato and Pythagoras tasted the Elusinian Mysteries. Gonna read Pikhal after the OP RoQ

Dont be satisfied with lukewarm vagueries frens
HEYA HOYA HOYEEEA HEYA HOYA HOY

>>20321345
97% of posts about any topic on this site are vaccous idiocy. This doesn't mean peope a) haven't read Guenon and b) he isn't interesting and insightful in somethings especially esoteric symbolism.

can someone please posts the anime girls reading guenon (and spengler / evola) please?
i only got picrel in low quality

>>20320482
How do I deify myself like this guy?

>>20334213

>>20334213
1/3

>>20334213
2/3

>>20334213
>>20334263
3/3

>>20320897
Ok seriously anons help me understand this guy's works. I've read a bit of the Greeks and Augustine. Do I start there before I make my way to guenon or can I jump right into him and understand. There is just so many writers out there its hard to be able to read them all.

>>20334375
jump right in

>>20334375
Guénon's writing style is more in line with that of his contemporaries than ancient sages and this is the whole point, to express knowledge in a language that we will understand, without any hidden meanings. So jump right in.

>>20320482
Not by much. Inherently anti western thinker whose best concepts are metaphysical in nature

>>20334590
>knowledge in a language that we will understand, without any hidden meanings
Ohh good. This is actually something I've become annoyed with in some texts. Hiding behind obscure and difficult words to portray meaning. Part of my problems with hegel and germans. What am I supposed to be able to get from you when you can't even clearly portray your ideas to the peasants like me. Every religion had peasants know every story and symbol with minimum effort yet I need to take a 4 year degree to pick away at your book.
>>20334416
Thanks as well.

>>20334671
The point is so that peasants won't get in the way of a philosopher's attempt to understand everything, since, you know, peasants have a bad habit of killing or persecuting philosophers when they get wind of what they think.

>>20334671
Modern philosophy doesn't have a deeper meaning, is just a game of words from which endless considerations can be made, there is no goal and no ultimate solution. On the other hand, Guénon's oriental/traditional metaphysics is a mathematical exposition of fixed principles.

>>20334263
>>20334266
>>20334273
thanks anon!

>>20334615
stupid faggot

>>20335201
I seem to have misplaced my Guenon profile pics of the fedora Guenon and Luigi Guenon
What has my life come to?

>>20333160
>Christians freaked out at me fasting and doing nofap
doubt

>>20335270
Russian hands typed this post

I became Muslim

>>20337421
>HE COULDN'T ESCAPE THE CLUTCHES OF LE SPHINX
N G M I

>>20321007
damn… that song fucking slaps!

>>20334213

>>20335229
>Luigi Guenon
post
>>20337534
>>HE COULDN'T ESCAPE THE CLUTCHES OF LE SPHINX
explain

>>20320482
Guenon demolished my assumption that history is a linear progression for the better because technology
He made me appreciate pre-modern and even illiterate societies (but not in a fetishized way like leftists do) whereas before I was extremely prejudiced against them

>>20338397
It's a shame the Romans eradicated the Gallic seers out of sheer militaristic autism

>>20338397
>but not in a fetishized way like leftists do
Leftists are a bunch of hypocrites who want to impose their western ideologies (marxism, atheism, etc.) on non-whites. They are literally colonialists. Even Marx thought that colonialism in India was a "good" thing, because without it the indians would just remain forever with the caste system and the brahmin(spiritual) authority.

>>20338364
LE SPHINX

Bump

>>20338397
I learned that from John Michael Greer. Seems like that's a big thing that people are figuring out now, whether it's from Guenon or the other traditionalists or Ted Kaczynski or someone else.

>>20321293
Also because Schon's name seems more normal.

>>20331448
>>20332138
Kafkaesque.

>>20339088
It's only hypocrisy if both parties agree on the moral principle in question, but since they each have different ethical standards, the left doesn't see it as hypocritical, especially when the left controls the academic, pedagogical, and media. They are the dominant political entity, the Sovereign, and get to decide on the exception. In this case, they get decide who the enemy is and have justification to completely and utterly destroy whites by any means up to and including genocide.

>>20320482
Refuted Descartes for me.

>>20320482
They haven't influence anything.

>>20343949
>They haven't influence anything.

Influenced

Michel ValsanPhilip Sherrard[1]Seraphim Rose[1]Boris Mouravieff[2]Valentin Tomberg[3]Jean Borella[4]Jean Hani[5]Wolfgang Smith[6]Hossein Nasr[1]Hamza Yusuf[7]Ananda Coomaraswamy[8][1]Ramon Mujica Pinilla[9]Julius Evola[10][pageneeded]Hans Thomas Hakl[11]Arturo Reghini[12]Dragoš Kalajić[13]Alain de Benoist[14]Francis Parker Yockey[15]Guido De Giorgio[it][16]Domenico Rudatis[it][17]Giulio Parise[it][17]Emilio Servadio[it][18]Giovanni Colazza[it][19]Dominique Venner[20]Gary Snyder[21]Huston Smith[1]Whitall Perry[1]Jacob Needleman[1]Bernard Philip Kelly[22]Oldmeadow[23]Joseph Epes Brown[24]Richard Smoley[25]Wendell Berry[26]James Cutsinger[27]Algis Uzdavinys[28]Ali Lakhani[29]Simone Weil[30][31]