/lit/ - Literature

>>20330702
Anki?

>>20330808
nta, but its flashcard software

>he doesn't use anki to memorize philosophy texts

>>20330702
is there a guide on how to use flashcards properly for maths ? i dont know anything about them

Its sounds very cool, please describe more of your method and what you can achieve with it

>>20330888
I break up each book I want to memorize into 4 sentence sections. I create a card with these on the front, and on the back I create a mnemonic with the first letter of each second word. Using the second word is important because it makes you really work for the retention. Using this technique I've memorized all of the Illiad, the Bible, Malazan book of the Fallen, a Geometry text book, and Hatchet by Gary Paulsen. I'm now preparing to start memorizing select 4chan and arXiv publications.

>>20330939
Assssheeeeit

You’ve really memorized the bible? How long have it took you?

>>20330702
>move on to the more interesting parts of learning
And what would those be?

>>20330702
Good job anon. Try memorizing the mental math techniques and shorthand writing systems too

>>20330867
You don't. Start from first principles and work up, trying to memorize formula is missing the point.

>>20331260
no i woulnt be using it for this, i would use it for the demonstrations of course

Med-student-anon here. We all do thousands of making cars per day. For memorization and maintenance, nothing beats it. Would like to try doing it for a foreign language.

>>20331746
*anki cards

And how exactly do you “get gud”? Anki is just rote memorization at the end of the day. It’s a grind. There’s no skill involved.

>>20330702
what is the point of memorization when you can just have easily accessible notes?

Meh, I learned kanji the same way I learned the periodic table of elements. By using it. Memorizing kanji is boring, so I just looked them up over and over and kept a little notebook while reading the honzuki wn until it stuck.

>>20330866
What is the purpose of memorizing philosophical texts? memorization =/ understanding

>>20333031
This. It's like remembering a word but not knowing the actual definition of it. Sooner or later you're going to use it in the wrong context.

>>20332987
Literally the best way to learn is by experience. If you don’t use something enough to actually remember it then it’s simply not worth remembering.

>>20330939
to what end

>>20330702
>implying remembering trivia is the problem
>ignoring the fact that all I seem to subject my memory to is useless bullshit like philosophy or discographies and album credits

>>20334428
Autism for autism's sake.

>>20330702
My cousin can read a whole textbook page in a few seconds and read it back by heart days later. I had her read my long ass electrician's bill when I redid the wiring in a house I inherited and she recalled it perfectly a week later (numbers too).
No amount of Anki meme, mnemonic techniques and Adderall will even let me approach her level.
I'll stick to what I can achieve, thank you very much. Comparison is the enemy of happiness

>>20330939
I don't believe you did this unless you automated your card making process.

>>20331774
The discipline and endurance needed for memorization is a skill. A highly valuable one that translates well to other areas.

>>20335181
What are you saying dude? Are you saying that you will still use anki or mnemonics because that's still achievable even if your cousin is better than you? Because that would be the logical conclusion reading your post

based khatzumoto getting /lit/

>>20335217
I'm saying that rather than become arrogant and pale imitation of the real deal I will wallow in my mediocrity. Nature > Nurture

>>20335181
Your cousin is either neurodivergent and impaired in other cognitive tasks (likely has the 'tism) or has mnemonic training you're not aware of. Normal people having natural prodigious memory is a myth, human memory is very consistent throughout decades of studies, despite the fact that on /lit/ everyone think they're the exception.

>>20335247
>someone is better than me at thing so i won't do it at all
you'll go far in life

>>20336067
She isn't, she's a research doctor and used her skills to blast through higher education. She's autistic in the same meme way everyone on 4chan is autistic. She even managed to pop out two kids.

>>20336107
Where did I say that?
>you'll go far in life
I'm in no rush to die, I'll take a nap, you go ahead of me anon.

>>20332987
You still had to go through spaced repetition, you just did it in a long, inefficient, counter-productive way.

>>20330702
>>20330939
How do you automate the card making process?

>>20336124
This is the most famous case study of a high-functioning person with a very advanced memory without any training:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Shereshevsky
>The man, who would become known in the psychological literature as S., had been sent by his boss, a section editor at a Moscow newspaper where S. was a reporter. That morning, the editor had noticed that S. did not take any notes when the daily assignments were made. When he confronted S. about this, S. explained that he didn’t need to write anything down; he simply remembered. The editor picked up a newspaper and read at length from it, challenging S. to repeat everything back to him. When S. did so verbatim, the editor sent him to have his head examined.
According to you, your cousin can just casually do what this guy did, and without any concomitant psychological impairment, which would be even more impressive because Shereshevsky himself had a rare type of synesthesia that impaired him in other areas.

I've wondered before whether memorizing through Anki all literary terms and devices would allow me to make connections and think at a higher level, because we think in words(?) I suppose it would facilitate--if really thoroughly and effortlessly recalled wherein the concept and label are one and the same thing--an ability to to write, say, compelling fiction, almost effortlesly

>>20336250
I'm not sure it would be a substitute for talent, but I can see it easing the brainpower drain of writing.
Maybe memorizing a selection of quirks will lead to very derivative work, but we can argue about how much everything is derived till the cows come home.

>>20336250
I suppose it could only help; since it would at the very least do two important things: firstly that it would introduce you to ideas you hadn't imagined but which could be useful; and secondly it would allow you to think in a more nuts and bolts fashion, if we know a house needs a 'foundation', 'windows', 'a heating system', it would allow us to engineer and imagine the satisfactory house we want to build

>>20330702
>Once you get gud
It's all true

>>20330702
>mnemonic techniques
which
>Anki memorizing
how?

this anki this has either become really popular or shilled here on 4chan
I'd like to try it, how do I start?

>>20333031
memorization is the beggning of understanging
you need to memorize to understand

>>20336872
two types of people shill anki: NEETs who use it to learn moon runes; and med school pajeets

>>20336954
and weebs. you forgot the weebs.

>>20336872
anki is just an automatic way to do spaced repetition, which is the best way to memorize things

>>20336954
>>20336969
a simple spaced repetition app is triggering insecurities in you because you take the idea that learning requires some effort as a personal insult and threat to your self-image

>>20336969
isnt that NEETs who use it for moon runes?

>>20330866
Stop shitposting.

for me? it's memory palace

>>20336218
>umm ACKSHUALLY on this one Wikipedia article things don’t work OUT that way okay

>>20330939
Wait, explain better. What are "sentence sections"?

>>20333031
Not philosophical, but you can memorize the Quran so you can become a hafiz(a)

>>20330939
Outside of the bible which is obvious, how would you recall these 4 sentence sections in order? I also don't believe you have memorized Malazan considering a cursory search shows it to have a 3.3M word count, which to me seems as if it would be outside of the realm of possibility, at least to maintain memorization. I'd have a high respect for you if it were true.

>want to use anki to improve my memory and improve my learning skills, which are awful
>always forgetting what I was doing as soon as I boot up the program

how do i escape this loop, ankibros?

>>20340183
Stop smoking weed and drinking alcohol.

>>20336132
More efficient for the purpose of reading the honzuki, though. And more fun.

>>20336250
>because we think in words(?)
we don't

>>20330939
How do you remember so many mnemonics for something like the Bible? I’d imagine you’d have your head stuffed with a veritable book of stupid-sounding phrases. Doesn’t it feel ugly and unwieldy? Wouldn’t you need mnemonics for your mnemonics? Or is my attitude completely off-base?

Wow. Thanks man, this is all very helpful without you I would have never found out about these memory techniques. You sir deserve a golden star!

>>20335225
Scamzumoto never used Anki himself (he used a much more primitive SRS program named SuperMemo).

>>20341127
why did you sage

>>20340868
>hehe im very sarcastic xD
grow up

>>20340863
This is what has always puzzled me about the memory palace/method of loci. Adding this whole extra layer of mnemonics or weird images to me just seems like extra things to memorize that would make the whole process harder. And while I can imagine associating ideas or concepts with mnemonics, how do they help you memorize precisely worded sentences?

>>20339783
>is this evidence that i'm wrong? let me attack everything around it so i don't have to deal with it like a grown up
you do you, the longer you keep this habit the longer you'll remain stupid

>>20330702
I know Giordano Bruno wrote a book on this concept

>>20336992
>>20336872
does it mean physical flashcards have become obsolete? i want to be able to not look at screens sometimes

>>20341746
No, physical flashcards work just fine. Anki is just nice because there's a ton of premade kanji decks from /a/ and /jp/'s daily japanese threads and it works on phones, which people can't seem to put down anyway.

>>20341264

You're not totally wrong, I read pic related

https://archive.org/details/moonwalkingwitheinsteinfoerjoshua_201910/page/n23/mode/2up

It covers everything you would need to know about method of loci, major number system PAO (person action object) system

I got really good at memorizing but yeah long story short why loci works is that it improves "recall" ie improving your ability to get the information when you need it.

I can expand more on the book if anyone's interested, you can even post some text you want to memorize and I'll explain how I'd go about it

I am interested please share more!

>>20342324
Pick your favorite poem or Shakespeare monologue and use it as an example.

>>20342324
What about my skepticism here?>>20340863 Does any of that make sense? In what ways am I wrong?

>>20330939
how do you get the anki cards not to appear out of order?

>>20342324
Is it worth reading? I don't really want to spend hours of my life on meta-learning. It just feels like one of those self help traps to me.

>>20341930
any for mandarin?

>>20335247
Check out The Loser by Thomas Bernard. Don't just give away your steinway, kang.