/lit/ - Literature

>>20319264
It's trash, the same sort of ahistorical drek someone like Sowell would recommend. If you want to understand cracker culture, start with queer theory and work back to the reconstruction era (particularly DuBois).

>>20319264
It's worthless, but Vance himself is fascinating. The guy went from trying to urge liberal society to treat rednecks with respect to becoming a parody of a redneck to gain political office, which was successful in the end. And then there's the Thiel stuff on top.

>this is my story of how government programs helped me get my life in order and contribute to society
>but you don't need government programs to get your life in order and contribute to society

>>20319352
I listen to NPR in the car sometimes for as long as I can stand it, which is not very long, and they talk about Vance like he's the Chud Whisperer. It's very strange.

>>20319341
>>20319352
>>20319662
>>20319732
Cope. The Year of the Chud cannot be stopped.

>>20319341
not today satan

>>20319761
Vance holds rural whites in the same level of contempt as the average bluetick on Twitter, it's just manifested in a different way. He's smart enough to know that their inarticulate anger can be exploited.

>>20319782
I'd rather have a sleazy politician who caters to me for personal gain than a sleazy politician who caters to my enemies for personal gain.

>>20319782
funny, I think blueticks deserve genocide honestly.

>>20319264
It's an interesting memoir, especially if you aren't from a white trash background yourself and are curious as to what their family life is like.

>>20319799
>I'd rather have a sleazy politician who caters to me for personal gain than a sleazy politician who caters to my enemies for personal gain.
He's not catering to you, he's catering to his donors, and his *job* is to deliver you to those donors on a plate.

>>20320084
what's theil going to do once we're on the plate? sodomize us and then ramble about girard? sounds like an improvement desu.

>>20319761
No, what I'm saying is, Vance comes across to me like a creature of NPR that was created to be their "explainer." He's a corporate lawyer by trade and I didn't expect him to win his primary because he seemed so fake to me growing a beard and trying to be rugged. He comes across to me as someone you'd run into in downtown Austin. But I guess it worked.

>>20320095
Exactly. You should vote for the beatings to continue

>>20319264
Usual case of someone telling an interesting personal story and then going nuts because they delude themselves that it gives them some sort of insight into societies ills at large.

>>20319341
What's wrong with Thomas Sowell?

>>20320368
Well he’s an uncle Tom sellout, same as Obama, just a different group of capitalists. That poster is a troll though.

>>20319732
I also do this

Here's another funny thing.

This article says that Trump likes Vance because he's tough and smart, and unnamed members of The Establishment don't like him. Quote tweets: "woah based." That is, The Establishment (which doesn't include right-wing media or the former president whom every single congressional candidate is chasing the endorsement of) hated Corporate Lawyer J.D. Vance so much they got uber-Hollywood liberal Ron Howard to make a movie out of his Yale personal struggle essay.

Published in Axios... co-founded by executive editor Mike Allen, son of Gary Allen, infamous John Bircher, anti-Semite, advisor to the Hunt family of Texas oil billionaires, and unhinged Red-Scare propagandist... and literally headquartered in Arlington, Virginia and writes super-short "articles" to disseminate pro-U.S. disinformation. Mike was also hand-picked as the court stenographer to accompany George W. Bush on a "secret" trip to Iraq and puff up that story, and soon after, weaseled his way into the good graces of the Obama White House as a surprising bipartisan darling among the Washington cocktail set heyOOOOOOO that's called a glow up. Graciously yours, an anon.

>>20320099
His face is giving me ghoul vibes. Wtf is his problem?

i only read books written by physically attractive people

>>20320368
reaganomics apologist, the only people BTFO worse by the last two decades were libertarians

>>20322076
Mainline Republicans are straight bitches. Was listening to some npr interview with some journo glowie faggot who was sucking off mitch McConnell for being a pussy.

>>20322574
I mean that's a very short list and even JK Rowling isn't that hot either. What the fuck do you even read then? Writers are known to be either ugly as fuck or very average looking

>>20322992
Donna Tart looks like she could suck a mean dick.

>>20323008
Prime Donna kinda cute ngl but she gives me Ghislaine Maxwell vibes now

>>20323037
For comparison, sure I'll buy she can suck mean dick but she'd take your soul in the process

>>20323050
What's with the Human League haircut?

>>20323100
She’s a nonsexual lesbian and has likely sucked 1-0 dicks in her life

>>20320368
Nothing is wrong with him. He makes morons seethe

>>20319264
It's ok. The stories about white trash life were fun. But you would be a fool to make to much out of one person's anecdote. Also because this >>20322076 isn't wrong.

what were the sex stories that made mandel a weirdo like?

>>20319264
It's basically Crime and Punishment combined with Gravity's Rainbow and Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit

Whats thiel's plan for america and the world?
if things go his way he could end up with 5 senators in the next congress and with the ability to make Trump endorse anyone he wants in exchange for a bit of cash

>>20323475
Isn't he, like, a for-real reactionary? As in, he does not like democracy?

I know he's a fag, but he seems to have genuine right-wing disdain for the current geopolitical order. He likes Moldbug as much as he does for a reason. He may even be a monarchist, though I doubt he's been dumb enough to say anything like that out loud.

>>20319341
>start with queer theory
This should unironically be the first answer in every thread. I know queer theory has a bad rep now because of all the libs co opting it, but it's fucking badass.

>>20323475
>5 senators
JD Vance, Blake Masters. Who else?

>>20319264
This book has such a weird artificial vibe to it. It's like this weird little "key" that liberals want to use to try and "unlock" the rural American mind.

>>20323527
thiel is a gay straussian heavily involved in fintech, building the tools that are becoming the foundation of modern international finance
what part of that makes you think he's a reactionary?
he just wants to subsume the current system and do away with the absurd shit that's causing it to fail

>>20323709
candidate Schmitt in missouri is one of his aswell, the link is weaker but its there
Hawley is a thiel plant
And he's good friends with Cruz and was his top donor in 2012 and still donates

Youngkin might also be a thiel guy, and we know yougkin is building a national political organization with which to endorse candidates around the country

>>20323794
>Schmitt
Hail
>>20323559
Dude fuck off

>>20319264
It's a shit book. Vance claims he came from poor hillbillies, but in his memoir he reveals that his (supposedly disfunctional) parents were pulling in a six figure income for much of his childhood. The writing itself is not elelgiac at all. It's a straightforward and trite bootstrap story in which his great epiphany is that he should ask other people for explanations or help when he doesn't understand something.

It's a shit book. The praise that was heaped on it was undeserved. The anons calling him an NPR talking head are right.

As for his new political life, he just says what he thinks people want to hear, but there is no there there. He is at heart a fake.

>>20323814
>As for his new political life, he just says what he thinks people want to hear, but there is no there there. He is at heart a fake.

whos the real deal then?

>>20323794
>candidate Schmitt in missouri is one of his aswel
I expect Trump to endorse Greitens

>>20323832
Someone like Mike Anton. Or even Trump desu senpai (I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but I also think he basically just says what he thinks without a filter and without trying to calculate who he's appealing to)

senator jd vance?

>>20319264
Actual Appalachians hate this book, say this guy is a jackass who elected himself as their spokesman, and the book is overrated trash. I trust their opinion.

>>20325960
Rednecks!

I trust them too.

>>20323559
explain how, in a nutshell

>>20319264
Strategically, this book was an attempted revision of poor white people from villains to victims in the worldview of NPR listeners. A nice goal, but in the end it did not accomplish this goal. Anti-white values are too thoroughly engrained in the target audience.

>>20323559
queer theory is cheat code to understanding society

>>20319264
How does this compare to Redneck Manifesto? They've both been on my reading list for a while and I'll probably only read one.

>>20323784
I mean it's sort of the tale as old as time. Gay liberals take control and after a few decades start slowly running society into the ground. A small-but-growing cadre of competent elites start to realize that the gravy train can't just run incompetently forever and that eventually someone has get things back on track before some true-believer gets into power and does something actually retarded. Unfortunately, it turns out the only people not completely bought out by or bought into the system are fringe political weirdos who spend their time reading ancient tomes about how how to wield the full power of the state. You take what you can get, fund them into power, eventually they get power and surprise, they wield the full power of the state in the name of their weird fringe political beliefs. Krupp and NSDAP, the Italian aristocracy and the fascists, the Party of Order and Napoleon III, the anti-Jacobins and Napoleon, etc. Thiel, Andreeson, Musk, whoever definitely don't completely buy into NRx let alone some of the less palatable ideas popping up on the right like BAPism but the people they put into power almost certainly will and eventually they'll be the ones holding the leash.

white trash will always be white trash and there is no way this redneck is gonna win the general election

>>20326617
It's the same sort of Neolib garbage. The problems of Appalachia are caused by Whiteness; if those dirty rednecks didn't want to be mistreated, then they shouldn't Vote Against Their Own Interests. The real victims are the Black And Brown Bodies of Colour, and the Misogyny is just rampant. I Can't Even.

It's not really worth dissecting too much, but both are designed to do two things: one, lead you away from the racial angle (every single problem in Appalachia comes from Jews being parasites), and two, defending the narrative that the US Federal Government and its (Jew authored) dictates are just the way reality is and there's nothing that you can do to change that. The results of the first are obvious: the massive health problems caused by coal and meth and actually the fault of the Appalachians, not the people forcing them to mine coal at gunpoint or handing out government subsidized meth. The results of the second are a bit more nuanced in that they're designed to reinforce the above by shunting the above from political problems to the economic. The poverty of Appalacha is morally justified because the people are subhuman vermin that need to be kept down, thus justifying continued government oppression of them. If they weren't subhuman vermin, then they wouldn't be poor, and the government wouldn't need to keep them poor. It's circular by design, because no matter what the Appalachians do, there is no way that they can win within the system: the only solution involves hanging Noses from streetlamps.

>>20319799
They're the same thing, you realize.

>>20327125
>>20327181
>liberal psyops propaganda
Fucking internet socks.

>>20325960
as if rural retards would ever back anyone even mildly successful. they're crabs in a moonshine-stinking bucket for a reason

>>20326572

Where do you even start?

>>20320368
He's a house nigger

>>20320099
He looks like alternate universe Norm McDonald

>Trump was aestetically pleased by JD Vance
what did he mean by this?

>>20323475
>Whats thiel's plan for america and the world?
Thiel's main thing now is Palantir which is big-data analytics for intelligence agencies and business. But I think the main play is vertical integration. Thiel explicitly and openly says he hates competition. Really the play now is further monopolization from low to high or through the content layer --> platform layer --> system layer --> physical layer of the economy as a whole shifting into a closed-loop business ecological empire that spans multiple economic and social fields and multiple levels of the digital economy.

You see this with Musk's acquisition of Twitter (content layer). This isn't about "free speech" as once he's actually owning it, he'll discover (if he's not already aware) that this is impossible. The real goal is to exploit information channels via large-scale advertising campaigns, draw attention to himself, crowd out small- and mid-sized competitors, and form a more stable monopoly position integrated into the physical layer such as Starlink, automobiles, artificial intelligence and so on.

In the future, Musk is very likely to expand into smart devices, operating systems, software applications and other fields through acquisitions, cooperation or independent R&D. Google is also actively developing its own chips, launching its own mobile phones, speakers, headphones, etc., and integrating smart watches, smart eyes, and smart automobiles together.

This will give them awesome bargaining power when launching products, with the price of their products far exceeding cost of components and services. This concentration of wealth will expand to all sectors of society with digital oligarchs standing at the top of the wealth-sucking in this era, and in multiple competitive structures, they can even have economic dominance and dominance in areas completely unrelated to the core business of their companies.

https://youtu.be/jMk99drt1B4

>>20327306
I hope someone Pol Pots your neighborhood

>>20328386
Correction: Twitter is platform layer

>>20326617
Jim Goad is a faggot. I don't know if JD Vance ever sucked cocks.

>>20326865
It's gonna be so much fun. I can't wait.

Which faction on the right is going to truly take power as American democracy falls? I bet it will be the Catholics. You always need a certain amount of religious fervor to get you over the finish line.

>>20319264
It was enough to win him an endorsement and a nomination.

>>20319264
My dad said he liked it and connected with it in a way that I can’t. Vance’s description of being a hilljack landing at an Ivy sort of mirrored my dad being the son of a bricklayer and landing at West Point.

>>20329052
I'm skeptical of 'Trad Caths', they come off as pretty toothless to me. You look at people like Vermeule or Rod Dreher and they're not really advocating anything that would be anymore effective than what Evangelicals tried in the 80s/90s/00s. Never mind the fact that Vermeule made his chops by writing about how liberals can deradicalize the right through infiltration, right before he decided to convert to Catholicism and start pushing his whole Trad Cath grift. They lack a sort of vitality that you'd need to actually push back. If Pat Buchanan couldn't make the whole Trad Cath conservative thing work in the 90s I don't see how it would fair any better today.

>>20319732
I used to do this but recently stopped, now I miss Mary Louise Kelly's resting cunt voice.

>>20329028
Jim Goad's weekly Counter Currents updates are funny, he makes racism fun again

>>20330146
>I'm skeptical of 'Trad Caths', they come off as pretty toothless to me
They produced the best supreme court justice of our lifetimes, a man so fearsome he had to be assassinated.

>>20330156
Goad wrote the Taki's Week That Was column for years, which was the funniest and most ruthless thing not on 4chan.

>>20330162
And who replaced him, Kavanaugh and Barrett lmao. If that's who you think is going to turn things around, I rest my case

>>20325960
Vexillology supports you, they have a great flag.

>>20330168
Still much better than non-trad cath conservatives like whatever the hell Roberts is supposed to be.

>>20330184
I'm not an Evangelical and I don't really see anything to be gained by wading into the retarded Catholic-Protestant sperg arguments about who's the least bad at bending over to liberal faggots. The bigger issue here I think is that in the end all Trad Caths really want to do is "turn things around", which is also what Evangelicals wanted. I don't think that's a solution, it doesn't animate people in the right way. Turning back time isn't going to fix anything. The answer isn't back but through. Napoleon didn't just emulate the Bourbons and when the Bourbons did get back control they were much less capable than he was at keeping things from going retarded and lost control of the situation just like they had before. Hitler and Mussolini didn't just emulate and copy the past aristocracies of their societies, they similarly created something entirely new. Trying to turn back to the way things were before isn't a solution because the way things were before was already a losing paradigm, losing to the people you're trying to beat now. All you're doing is taking a step backwards while progressives take two steps forward. The solution is something entirely different, which is why I place a lot more weight on ideas like NRx or BAPism because their ideas are much more novel and harder for liberals to grapple with than what Evangelicals or Catholics have been trying and failing to do for the past 50 years.

>>20330146
Dreher is Orthodox. He converted from Catholicism due to the sex abuse scandals.

The TradCath craze is just contrarianism taken to an absurd conclusion. You've got white nationalists, an ideology in which anti-Catholicism has historically been a key component, hitching their wagon to the TradLARP train for no discernible reason other than to own the libs.

>>20330245
I'd argue that the WN-Trad Cath synthesis owes to Buchanan, who was an obviously more genuine Catholic than Dreher or Vermeule while also advocating for what amounts to white nationalism in the most publicly palatable way possible. That's what I don't get about these people though. Buchanan was saying the same thing that Nick Fuentes faggots are saying now, only he was saying them more articulately with more personal gravitas in a time when America was whiter and more religious than it is now, and it didn't sell. You're not going to do it better than he did, so it seems very silly to think that trying to do the exact same thing as him will somehow work out better this time.

>>20330215
NRx and BAP both have very little actual support among people who aren't 'elite adjacent'

>>20330215
>the answer isn't back but through
I agree.

>>20330280
That's a plus not a minus, for now. The far right's biggest problem in America has been absolutely 0 elite support. You need an elite as much as you need normal people, if not more. Getting the ideas out there isn't hard if you have people with the resources and access to do it. That's Tucker Carlson's whole schtick. He and his writing room have their ear on the Twitter far right, they take those ideas and feed them to millions of normie Fox News conservative types who'd otherwise never be exposed to them in a way that they can understand. Without an elite you're either going to be a wallowing, persecuted group of bumpkins like the KKK and WNs have been in the post-war period, or you're going to have your movement's energy co-opted by elites with their own agendas, like the Tea Party and the Kochs or Occupy Wall Street and the DNC.

>>20330162
RIP based Antonin. I will always cherish your opinions and incredulity at being forced to determine what the platonic form of golf should be.

>In a big family the first child is kind of like the first pancake. If it's not perfect, that's okay; they're are a lot more coming along.

>>20329052
Tradcaths were literally a non-thing among people under 65 until the 2016 election. Most of them are basically just using Catholicism to justify right-wing views and the Church has been cracking down on the Trads recently.

>>20330309
Extremely true post. Agree wholeheartedly. Yarvin I think mentioned on a recent podcast that it was kind of a good thing that the most extreme/spergy retards in the far right got deplatformed and banned since their absence makes Nrx stuff more palatable to elites than if some dumb racist peasant is screeching it

>>20323100
She's growing it out after she got done speaking with the manager.

>>20320368
He's a black man who thinks for himself.
>>20327181
>Neolib
Buzzword without meaning.

>>20328386
Highly successful homosexuals make my skin crawl. Having such a insatiable avarice when you have no children to pass your wealth on to is truly psychopathic. Seeking more and more wealth and power despite the fact your household ends with you is grotesque.
If he was some great general seeking greater military conquests further and further afield it would be different, but creating some dragon hoard for yourself is deranged. I understand why court eneuchs were some of the most ruthless power players.

>>20332549
It's like you've never even heard of the word "nepotism". from Italian nipote meaning ‘nephew’

>>20331546
>Neolib
>Buzzword without meaning.
No. Read up on it

>>20319264
Kek I was given a copy by my university and every freshman had to read it. I read part of the beginning, but left it mostly unread. There was an assignment that went with it, but I didn't feel like I had to read the whole thing in order to do that assignment.

>>20319341
>>20323559
I’d rather kill myself than have to read a chapter of Judith Butler’s ramblings or bell hooks’ gibberish

>>20330215
That's a good take, and I agree with you on Vermeule.

>>20330146
The fact that Vermeule openly worked with people like Cass Sustein on "deradicalizing" people makes him incredibly untrustworthy. The TradCath movement seems inorganic and designed by think tanks. You're right that they don't offer anything that Evangelicals have attempted before, their arguments are simply more eloquent. The difference is Catholicism has historically been unpopular or even oppressed in America, making it seem even more subversive when people bring up "integralism" like it's some innocuous thing that Americans should just go along with.

>>20330215
TradCaths and LeftCaths like Elizabeth Bruenig seem to be two sides of the same coin. Both are attempting to keep religious White people loyal to the system rather than the possibility they could either revolt or simply abandon society.

>>20319782
>their inarticulate anger

yeah i would be angry too if the chinese sank my island killing tens of thousands of innocent people and then called me racist

>>20327125
>calling the descendants of the pharaohs and lost tribes of Israel "white trash"

when this planet explodes it will be your fault

>>20335288
I'm >>20329052 , and the reason I brought up the Catholics, and religion in general, is that I think it's pretty clear that sincere religious belief stops people from wimping out when the going gets tough. Think about all the atheist right-wingers that you know of. Is there a single one of them that you would trust to continue forward if they were bribed, or offered free pussy, or a position of power?

If you are a materialist, if you don't believe in anything transcendent, then I mistrust your convictions. I've seen ample evidence of this. If we are talking about a goal as big as the transformation of the entire geopolitical order, then we need people who won't wimp out when the going gets tough. That's why I think the ones who wind up on top, when everything is settled, will be religious. Whether they're Catholics, Evangelicals, hell, even the Mormons. They're going to be the ones with the staying power while the atheists wimp out. So they're the ones who are going to get to the mountaintop.

>>20323559
lmao

>>20336174
>egyptians
>white
cope, snowtep

>>20336215
Unless the Catholics on the ground are tricked into supporting untrustworthy leaders, as we so often have been, pic related.

>>20336258
so what was cleopatra then, japanese? you dumb motherfucker

>>20336315
Ptolemaics get out! Like saying the Nubians are Egyptian because they were in control for a while.

>>20336638
egypt was a hellenic colony founded by atlanteans such as thoth, you can explain your lies to Ma'at when you die, which shall be much sooner than you expect