/lit/ - Literature

I've come to accept my writing will never be good enough to get published yet I can't help but grind anyway.

>>20298039
Getting published a is a cope for "educated" people. Go ahead and give some Jew 92% of your earnings just because he marketed for you.
You could have launched your book yourself to a following of 10k people and get 500-1k sales right out the door. And it's only uphill from there.

>>20298065
This anon.
I like this anon.
Sounds like he’s been listening to me these last 3 months.

>>20298039
Why would I ever want to be published?

>>20298065
Why would I ever want to be published?

>>20298085
Right? There are so many ways to get seen. #BOOKTOC, Onlyfans, YouTube, Twitter. Only a genuine retard would accept a publishing deal.

>>20298105
>>20298085
>Only a genuine retard would accept a publishing deal.
Are you the meerkat?
When are you going to publish your newsletter and onlyfans?

>>20298147
Fuck off retard. My "newsletter" is already out and doing great. Onlyfans comes in a couple weeks.
Just keep writing anon, you'll totally make it. All you need to do is talk down to me a little more and throw a few more words on that page. You're almost there buddy. Your book will totally market itself.

I think I founs them
https://cathyreisenwitz.substack.com/
Only fans
Tw*tter
Substack started very recently
Romance author from previous failed release

>>20298228
Oh, and Jewish
Need I say more?

Give me bad writing advice anons.

I want to laugh and learn what not to do.

>>20298259
Don't market yourself. Don't have an active twitter. Release your book into the void.

>>20298259
Make sure every character clearly states their emotional state of being every time it changes.

>>20298259
make sure every thought is clearly stated and leave no nuance to thoughts of others even though the book is first person and theyd have no way in knowing

>>20298259
Tell, don't show.

>>20298259
What are you writing? I’ll make it worse.

>>20298259
Avoid "Passive Voice"
No adverbs
No adjectives, yuck!
Show don't tell

Jettisoning this awful advice has done a world of good for my writing quality.

>>20298065
>le jewish boogeyman

>>20298415
>le 10 shekels deposited

>>20298065
What the hell does the publishing industry have anything with Jewish people? I'm not white so I don't understand the Jewish hate. As far as I can tell, they all look like any other white person.

>>20298228
>>20298234
You won’t find me unless you’re one of my followers.
One of my subscribers.
You’ll know my books when I damn well please to post them.

>>20298065
Getting published is how you compete with the major league books that get popular, get turned into movies, etc, but you'll never make it if you don't start with a following beforehand. You need to self publish and get a small following that you can point to when pitching a book. Because they'll never invest in a no name author. Publishers do have a lot of sway but you have to know how to take advantage of it.

>>20298430
>I'm not white
shalom

>>20298444
who gives a shit, you fucking nobody

>>20298448
tell me more, are you Jewish yes or no

I have successfully destroyed /wg/.

>>20298468
It was already in ruins anon

You mostly just kicked some dirt around.

>>20298485
Whose the great ruiners before my time?

>>20298228
>"I synthesize evidence"
Motherfucker do you think people doesn't know what "synthesize" means? "I make up evidence." Fucking hell.

>>20298485
Oh, wow, Open Season.
Haven't thought of that movie in forever.

>>20298505
i think about it all the time

>>20298508
Why? It was kind of middling.
The sequels were awful.

>>20298228
From reading up on her, it does sound like our meerkat. But that's not real evidence.
I certainly hope it isn't our meerkat. That'd be embarrassing.
A middle-aged woman, not particularly attractive, thinking she'll cash in on her sex obsession?
That's some "Bachelorette" level cringe.

>>20298430
jews are an incredibly insular hateful people. they believe themselves chosen and everyone else is their slaves. their god thing requires them to mutilate the genitals of every male child, torturing and doing brain damage to them and removing half the penile skin, depriving them of an entire lifetime of pleasure through nerve ending destroyed and drying out the mucosal tissue. their religion also requires them to circumcise their slaves, which is the reason circumcision is prevalent in america. for this manifest crime against humanity they must be exterminated. to add to this they were the primary group responsible for the slave trade and they perform usury.

basically their a monstrous race of demon worshiping genital mutilators, slavers and usurers that believe they are chosen by god to rule over everyone else. a race of sociopaths and psychopaths.

>>20298022
Hi guys newfag here. How do you guys even write literature anymore? I love the craft but I know our generation is full of retards with 0 attention span and tik toks. Don't you think we need to invent something else so the zoomers listen?

>publish book
>bunch of coworkers and other faggots keep trying to help me market bullshit
>NAH BRO YOU GOTTA ADVERTISE! USE MONEY TO MAKE MONEY!
>Nah, you gotta spend $1000 dollars to sell your book and be a multimillionaire
>Go buy 50 copies of your book then rent out a store in comic con and give it out! Gotta put your name out there
Holy shit dude these people are annoying.

>>20298528
It's not. Our meerkat is the same meerkat we had 5 months ago. Exact same schtick, even down to the "releasing my book at $10k" meme.

Post your synopsis or perish!

>>20298503
This is the woman who has been torturing this fucking

>>20298562
General for months on end. Hit send too early and don’t feel like deleting.

>>20298259
Dialog is bad. Use it as little as possible.
Make sure to always give long, flowery descriptions that use obscure words the reader will have to look up so they know it's good prose.

>>20298528
Wheres her fucking book? I need a laugh now after months of this bullshit.

>>20298561
You seem like a coomer.
What kind of books do you write?

>>20298276

>>20298532
And what does Jews have to do with the publishing industry?

>>20298618
Not big into coomer games, it has nice art and thought it would interest some anons and draw discussion away from the recent shitposting.
Fantasy where all the magic is being drained into it's own pocket dimension, weird races pop up and conflict happens.

>>20298540
Is it bad advice?

>>20298462
That would be a no

>>20298656
Show me a side profile of your nose

>>20298657
Okay you got me

>>20298663
I didn’t say I got you. I said show me the side profile of your face.what am i going to do doxx you?

>>20298654
Yes and no. If you truly want to spend $500 dollars and think you can make more than that by all means go for it. But I don't believe that I would be able to sell 50 copies.

Printing out 100 books, renting a booth, and advertising the book is already $1000 bucks. Each book must then be sold at $20 for you to make any profit.

>>20298721
Are you suggesting to meerkat in person now?

>>20298730
I'm not meerkater. If I were to market a book, I would just use tiktok, but i'm a fat ugly son of a bitch, so that's out of the question as well

If I write a story set in a Dungeons and Dragons universe, does that make it fanfiction?

>>20298755
Yes, but will it include furry puss?
Asking for the orcs

>>20298650
In the US? They run it. And the banks. And the government.

>>20298755
Yes. Why would you do that? Are you gay?

I constantly search terms like “zoomers can’t” “zoomers cannot” “zoomers won’t” “zoomers will not” “zoomer don’t” “zoomers do not” etc etc. I can’t get enough zoomer anecdotes and people hating on zoomers.

>>20298763
No, that's in the comic I'm drawing.

>>20298755
not if you get a license

>>20298788
Ok millennial

>>20298790
go on...

>>20298795
Your standard porn comic where a human wizard goes on a magical adventure, fucking all the girl monsters he encounters instead of slaying them.

>>20298561
A magical girl cop uncovers a mystery of why her colleagues are being kidnapped and experimented on, only to discover it was her own brother committing the crimes.

>>20298820
Why is everyone just writing porn? Wie peinlich.

>>20298814
Who is supposed to buy this?

>>20298823
Porn sells.

>>20298829
Oh i see, so you‘re someone who doesn‘t have anything of value to say, you‘re just a greedy motherfucker. You‘re whoring out your creativity to fund your hedonistic pleasures. Appalling.

Tell me why you hate Daniel Greene right now so I know you’re not a simp.

>>20298833
Just because it's porn doesn't mean it can't say something meaningful.

>>20298823
it's not porn! there's very little sex in the book! it's a fantasy/mystery story!

>>20298561
A person transmigrates into a cave with a barebones cultivation system, expects a brutal cultivation world and thus diligently cultivates. In reality, they actually transmigrated into a Western fantasy world.

>>20298835
oh i remember now he's the guy who did the shadiversity book review i mentioned a few threads back and he said some stupid shit like "uhhhhhh the main character isn't relatable because he's evil :("

>>20298847
wasn’t that James Tullos

>>20298840
Opinion discarded
>>20298841
>thinks porn is only when there‘s explicit sex scenes
Oh my sweet summer child. We all know that you‘re writing out your sexual fantasies. That‘s always porn. Whenever male authors write female prots, it is porn. No exceptions. You could be writing the most innocent scene involving a girl, we all know you fantasized about her. We all know that she‘s a fragment of your fantasy of the ideal girl you‘d want to impregnate and give you many strong sons. Just stop. Get a real gr instead.

>>20298851
i dont know i didn't see that one but i wouldn't be surprised because he has some aggressively milk toast takes too

>>20298858
>Oh my sweet summer child
R*ddit opinion discarded.

>>20298826
Oh it's free.

But I'd make bank off commissions.

>>20298861
Hehehehehehehehehe

>>20298858
>Oh my sweet summer child. We all know that you‘re writing out your sexual fantasies. That‘s always porn. Whenever male authors write female prots, it is porn. No exceptions. You could be writing the most innocent scene involving a girl, we all know you fantasized about her. We all know that she‘s a fragment of your fantasy of the ideal girl you‘d want to impregnate and give you many strong sons. Just stop. Get a real gr instead.
You people are impossible.
>write male protage
>female side character
>LOL SEE SHES YOUR FANTASY GIRL!!!
>only can write them gay and full of faggotry.

>>20298874
To be fair, all fiction is gay af anyways so it doesn‘t really make a difference if it‘s also porn or not. Garbage is garbage.

>>20298788
Zoomers really are the Least Generation, aren't they.

>>20298851
>look him up on youtube
>read aloud ben shapiro's book
>sounds pretty good
>bitches and complains about everything
?????

>>20298885
that would be millenials. Who are as lazy and useless as zoomers but double their age.

>>20298858
I love bait like this.

Its on a whole another level.

>come down with a fever for a couple of days
>nothing too scary but still didn't let me do any writing
>recover and try to get back to work on my project for royal road
>just imagining the story is uncomfortable and it feels too lame for me to want to keep going
What is happening here? It's not even a story I came up with with a completely cynical mindset, I actually like my characters and concept.

What would you guys count as
>A big author
>a mid author
>a small author
Doesn't have to be sales, could be recognition, could be full time part time, could be all sorts of things.

>>20298846
Is this your take on plato's allegory of the cave?

>>20299003
>big author
>has at least one book trad published, some amount of fame (within his niche), can make writing his full time job

>mid author
>makes enough money to live off his writing

>small author
>has published something

>>20299003
What is this autism? wtf are you even talking about?

>>20298846
This. I cultivated into planet fitness. I spent 30 reps cultivating. Then 2 more sets. Bis, tris and forearms. Tomorrow I will cultivate chest, shoulders and back. Because that is my cultivation schedule. Watch out, world, I'm cultivating.

>>20299046
everyone is small.

>>20298468
I doubt it. /wg/'s Jason saga was worse than this, though his uplifting spirit was a breath of fresh air. The current vitriol is merely annoying and only serves to make threads go faster. You avoid it by replying to things that matter to the thread and not engaging with the trash.

>>20298835
I don't pay attention to anything any contemporary writer has to say. They're all fucking unread retarded assholes who couldn't write their way out of 4th grade if they tried. I wouldn't take advice from any of those faggots if you paid me.

Is there a way i can get the MFA experiece without going to a workshop?

>>20299108
Our current saga is just a lesser Jason. He has all of the same retarded ideas, the same impenetrable ego and the same exhibitionism fetish.
The only thing I can say about Jason is, that at the very least, he was slightly endearing with his blind optimism and openness that each time a $30 copy of his book was sold he was putting $30 towards alcohol.

>>20299130
I actually liked Jason a lot and felt bad seeing him eat so much shit here from people who just knew him as a book shill. I even remember when he stopped posting for a while and came back a little humbled and tried to be involved again, but went back to his old ways shortly after. What I didn't like was that he didn't engage in constructive critique or real writing discussion. It was always blind optimism that turned to grandstanding about his successes in life when someone inevitably told him to stop shitting up the thread with useless "GOGOGOGOGOGO" posts every time someone posted a conversation starter related to their work.

>>20299126
Seriously a lot of people are kind of shit in my experience. I took some MFA workshops at Utah which is considered pretty good. The caliber of criticism is… lacking. Honestly dude you’re probably better off doing a discord here or something

>>20299177
>The caliber of criticism is… lacking.
In person criticism will always be lacking. People want to be liked and tearing someone to shreds - even if it needs it, especially if it needs it - won't happen as a result.

Is your MC ugly?

>>20299185
One MC is a manlet chainsmoker and the other is tall but fat, has flat feet and needs glasses. They are not handsome blokes.

>>20299177
>>20299181
But do they offer connections to get published?

I just learned I write like an autistic 8th grader. How do I cope with this? I am far too ambitious for my skill level, yet refuse to give up.

>prominently a girl x girl romance writer
>the lgbt community keeps trying to make everything political
I don't know if I can keep doing this. I don't think I enjoy writing anymore.

What is the best completed story this general has ever produced?

>>20299228
I think the guy who made Doki Doki Literature Club posted here.

>>20299217
Please don't ever compare your writing to chris chan.

But in simple terms start reading books, Start looking up on how to make good prose Read some of the books in the OP

>>20299257
>start reading books
I read between 50 and 70 books a year and have done so for most of my life. Your advice is bad and you should feel bad.

>>20299279
Then you're not doing enough writing. If you're bad at something, practice.

>>20299181
Yeah, which is why honest criticism here is probably superior. Though I rarely see people sharing full work.
>>20299214
Not really.

>>20298430
This is a good place to start
https://odysee.com/@UltimateTruth:1/Jewish-Ritual-Murder-(the-full-original-banned-documentary):0
jews aren't white they'll be the first to tell you, when it benefits them, and they'll masquerade as white people when it doesn't. As this anon correctly states >>20298532 they hate all non jews and want us to be their slaves, they view us as sub human and call us goyim which means cattle. They hate us so much that they kill our children and drink their blood as you can see the proof in the documentary I linked.
>>20298650
jews run the publishing industry top to bottom, they own and run the publishers, agents, and authors. They control your media and teach you sin and vice while mocking and belittling piety and virtue.

>>20299279
Get beta readers/ poof readers/ people to review your work it does wonders you know

but yes pratice more

>>20299217
Accept it and grow.

If yesterday you thought you were hot shit and today you've found all the mistakes in your writing, the quality of yesterday's work has not changed in any way. Tomorrow's will be better.

You feel bad because it feels like you've lost skill, but instead you should feel good because you've gained taste.

>>20299217
>I write like an autistic 8th grader
Did someone tell you this?
Embrace it, write an erotic post apocalyptic Thomas the tank engine epic.

>>20299435
>Did someone tell you this?
Just last thread.

Rate my poem:

i was twelve years old
And i saw my older brother hugging my father
And i didn't think anything of it
And i went to the park with my friend
And we played basketball all day
And i asked my father if he could sleep over

He told me it would have to be another night
Then he sat me down in a chair
Which was wooden or concrete or lava
i don't know, but it was uncomfortable

He told me that my cousin had been killed the night before
By police officers and that it wasn't his fault
He was simply born with the wrong colored skin
My mother told me i was lucky to not have the same
Problem as him, that i was lucky to be born the same color
As every police officer i'd ever seen

My father told me there would be justice
And things would be right in the world
But that never happened

At the funeral i cried
And they played a 2pac record
And i cried even more
Because i imagined the dance moves
i'd see if this was any other occasion

Instead of dancing
My cousin sage sat
A pile of ash
In front of the room

Unaware of what
His skin had done to anyone

>>20299449
Nah

>>20299185
He would be dark and handsome if he wasn't so sickly looking so his whole appearance amounts to something skeevy

>>20298538
This fails to explain the audience for million-word fanfics and Royal Road isekais. Even on the social media front Tumblr can produce some real walls of text.
Zoomerific content can be long. It has to interest its audience, though.

>>20299185
I dunno. I'm like 50k words in and haven't described anything about his appearance yet.

>>20298860
Milquetoast, pleb

>>20299486
Please?

>>20299568
There's nothing readily identifiable as poetry in that mess. It reads like someone with very little talent who's put in very little work in developing skill they don't have and married to the tastes of someone who's never read a poem or a book for enjoyment in their life. You can't fix the first part, but try working on the rest for a year, then post again.

>>20299363
>waaaaah waaaaaah jewish people are high successful and intelligent!!! that's unfair!!! waaaaaah

need prompts that will challenge me

>>20299616
jews are successful not because they're intelligent but because they are subversive and deceptive. They are incredibly insular so they hire and promote other jews while not hiring outside race groups, meanwhile they create laws and social campaigns against white people trying to do the same, they have made it illegal for the white man to take care of their own people and have brainwashed them into accepting diversity with open gates at the detriment of their fellow white. All the while the jews laugh at us as they reject and remain impervious to the very same principles they force on whites. They will get what's coming to them though
>Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. - Revelation 3:9

>>20299680
Herakles vs. the Abrahamic God

>>20299680
Write about how this man gets laid.
Hard mode: can't be rape or paid sex.

>>20299449
I hate it for the lack of anything resembling beauty or transcendence or poetry, but anywhere else on the internet will suck you off for writing it, and the "wooden or concrete or lava" line resonates with me.

6/10, you know your audience and can describe a bad chair.

>>20298561
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DRlv01MC7xhMr06IDZ-Y1BBDQkuc7cdsb34GJe5JFwU/edit?usp=sharing

A smut writer/online roleplayer winds up dying and going to Hell where he is offered a chance to bring his sordid talents to life by being granted a new body fitting of "her" new role. Self-acceptance, repression, body horror, denial, guilt, lust, shame, blackmail and more.

>>20300112
Too triggering tranny

>>20299680
Without relying on the map.

>>20298022
How to you not despise everything you create as soon as you make it? I feel like every time I write anything, I immediately scrap it

https://www.scribd.com/document/551280851/Unfiltered

Thoughts?

>>20300223
By never reading it.

>>20300112
This reads much better since you finally deleted le quirky xd FUCKFUCKFUCK SHITSHITSHITSHIT garbage. I've skimmed through the first ten or so pages and I'm still unimpressed. Your style is tangential and doesn't make any use of the first person perspective. You use more "advanced" language (I use this term extremely loosely, and only in direct comparison to the language used by your average cell phone raised zoomer), but it doesn't justify its own presence. What I mean by this is that, for example:
>surgical incandescence
could easily just be rendered as a surgical light or lamp in a 1:1 replacement. Advanced language requires advanced specificity. If you want to use less usual words, you need to show that you are an unusually skilled writer. There should be flow and rhythm and a sense of play with language; there should be, in at least some diminished capacity, poetry. From your writing, it seems like you—and it's not just you, many others too—mistake the quality of literature with how likely a reader is to need a thesaurus. I really fucking hate to say this, but your style would work better with much simpler language. That, or try taking some risks.

By the time I'd read the first mention of Hylics, I was done.

>>20300224
It's fan fiction.

>>20300244
>calling a spec script written before the joker movie came out "fanfiction"

>>20298276
That makes me feel angry!

I am like a monkey for his banana. I come when called. I love submitting to him and doing what he tells me.

>>20298569
>Dialog is bad. Use it as little as possible.
This but unironically.

>>20300251
Oh, are you that Jew who wrote the first Bat Man comics?

>>20300224
I read this when you first started posting this one last year. I remember liking it, and I appreciated the influence from one act plays, but I am a theatre geek and by extent a massive faggot. It had the rare talent of making me laugh at the written word, which doesn't happen that often and it was well paced to read. I can't really imagine it ever really getting adapted to the stage.
That all being said, you kind of just keep spamming this without anything new to add. But unlike some other spamming retards on this board, I actually kind of want to see what you do next. You should try writing something else though, I'll definitely give it a read if you do

>>20300239
I'm toying around with things. This is also the longest form "thing" I've ever attempted to write. When my speech gets more flowery I think I'm just attempting to see what I'm capable of, but I think part of that is owed to the idea that every other/every third sentence needs to somehow read more artistically and I don't know what instilled that idea in me because you're absolutely right, if I go pick up a book off my shelf odds are that most of the sentences read somewhat "normally" and that type of prose is used sparingly. I'd like to get better at doling that out so that when the similes/metaphors/fun visuals I'd like to use are sprinkled in they have more meaning.
>Hylics
Yeah, it's a reach. One I can do away with honestly. It's not an attempt to sound smarter than I really am, I just thought it might make for an interesting substitute for "Demon" since I felt like that was sort of cheesy. Might wind up just called everyone "Damned"? Who knows. I appreciate the feedback though. I dread going back through to address the first thirty or so pages again because I don't want to wind up paralyzed by the idea that everything has to be perfect on this first pass. I think my voice and even my formatting have gotten better in the second half though thanks to some suggestions I've gotten here.

Thank you anon.

>>20298561
Reports from a post war facility in the 1970's experimenting with human countermeasures to mankind's common enemy: living statues. Chapters are self contained stories written by the director herself. In the latest one she had dinner with a cannibal giraffe who could slice people apart.
I know it's not the most "flamboyantly" written story you'd find (even compared to here) but I hope people find it as fun as I am.

>>20300112
There are parts where you're using italics like every other word. Its distracting rather than enhancing.

>>20300302
>if I go pick up a book off my shelf
This is actually a fucking fantastic metric. If that's what you like to read, well, I know we all hate pithy truism here, but as it goes: write what you want to read. If you're interested in more "literary" prose, well, maybe start reading some to keep improving that taste. I absolutely love the book on the shelf take though. It also implies that you have books on your shelf, of which I think an irreconcilable number of aspiring authors don't have. I'm gonna remenber that. Cheers, anon.

>>20300251
The joker movie is fan fiction.

>>20300315
Do you recommend using 'air quoted text' with the single apostrophe, or italic-text to emphasize a word? I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
(also still desperately need to fix the punctuation in regards to speech)

>>20300329
italics is fine but not every other word. I'd just tone that down some. If EVERY other word is ENHANCED the WHOLE thing feels SILLY.

>>20300299
Thank you.

I believe that the reason nobody reads anymore and people play video games instead is because video game development is based on patching, updating, and customer feedback, while most books are simply written once and released regardless of their quality.

So I think that the best way to edit fiction is to playtest it by posting it everywhere and fixing the mistakes people tell you about, like maintaining a piece of software or deleting viruses from a computer.

If you think about it, words are code and the reader is the computer.

>>20300324
I say that because something I feel like I'm noticing is that as writer, it's really really fucking difficult to not get caught up in the moment and think that every sentence has to be a work of art. I'm worried about things on a micro level, while the reader is eating the sentences like layered bites of a sandwich. This is just what I'm noticing. It's the same thing when it comes to speech and pacing. When I pick up books off my shelf and find a random page sometimes it's just characters talking for an entire page, interrupted only by: "she said/they agreed/he barked/etc..." Other times the author will just a paragraph and just imply that the characters have passed through the highlands or that as week has passed. While I'm reading those things I'm not sitting there nitpicking, I think I'm just trusting the author to lead me where he wants me to go. Writing feels alien in that regard though. I added one of my first time skips and while I knew it was the right thing to do it felt almost hard to just leave a gap.

I want to make use of my ability to come up with creative imagery, but I definitely don't want to overdo it which it sounds like I'm doing. I'd rather have the ones I really like stand out than feel wasted in a sea of mediocre attempts.

>>20300338
>If you think about it, words are code and the reader is the computer.
No, not even in the slightest is this true. This is an incredibly arrogant and egocentric idea of the author's role. The best literature isn't a series of words boiled down into their discrete and composite meanings. It's an invitation to interact with the novel. The words have an art to them that goes far beyond translating down into machine code. I know you probably want to object that there is an art to programming as well, which is true, but consider the fact that the computer gains nothing but a set of directions and perhaps some performance gain from elegant and artful code. Literature is not just elegant and artful code. The human brain is not interpreting-down directions into a more native language.

>>20300337
Point taken. I need to go back through the beginning part especially for that. There is a lot of inner monologue there because the protagonist is thinking/observing and everything in the setting feels bizarre and feverish. I don't want to ruin that with shitty editing though so thank you.

>>20300338
have you actually changed anything since December last year? I think that was what I read last

>>20300363
I gave Louis more dialogue and added the battery acid line, but someone said I should tighten up page 47 and afterward. So if anyone has any ideas about the third act, let me know

>>20300338
Maybe your mum is built according to the von Neumann architecture, my thick ropes of hot cum are instructions to be stored in her "memory" (vagina), and the readers form the output device for my semi-autobigraphical stories based on rutting her like a piss-covered sow in heat after we use your bed as a urinal.

>>20300376
how did you know i have a mother, you sick fuck?

>>20300354
>The best literature isn't a series of words boiled down into their discrete and composite meanings. It's an invitation to interact with the novel. The words have an art to them that goes far beyond translating down into machine code.

That's the point, though: humans are diverse and unique just like computers. A program has to run on all kinds of systems. So if a book has niche appeal and only makes a small audience happy, that means it was coded/written badly.

>>20298650
Your question answers itself

>>20298921
Zoomie cope

>>20300419
>humans are diverse and unique just like computers
Okay, I regret running with the computer analogy, because you actually have no clue how a computer works.

>>20300433
i literally used to build computers for money

>>20299227
Then write something else.

>>20300435
Your argument is like telling a nuclear physicist you understand quantum mechanics because you laid the power lines that run from a nuclear power plant.

>>20300435
>So if a book has niche appeal and only makes a small audience happy, that means it was coded/written badly.

so you're saying tiktok's code is better than tensorflow because it has more users? you might have assembled a couple gaming pcs, but you clearly haven't thought much about software engineering, devops, or entrepreneurship.

>>20300112
Just caught up on the new part.
Despite where it's going at the moment, I don't think it's just going to turn into a porno, so I'll keep reading.
I also know it's too early to point out typos etc., although other anons seem to be doing that, but I saw one that should be fixed:
p.59: that'll do doubt -> that'll no doubt

>>20300449
Good eye, and thank you for the find anon. The hardest typos to spot at the ones that aren't simple spelling errors that get underlined automatically. Thank you.

And no, the scene I'm currently writing is here to establish some themes but I plan on jumping forward several weeks following the conclusion of this one to show where the protagonist is at and how her life is going before introducing conflict.

Thank you for reading as much as you have.

>>20299449
All it needs is an acoustic guitar backing and suddenly it's a Sun Kil Moon song

>>20300476
Hey, thanks for giving me something worth reading.
Some of the work posted here is positively eye-watering. You're an exception to that.
At some point, you should run your work through a mechanical grammar checker, like the one Microsoft Office has.
Your work is inundated with comma splices and other easily fixable things, but I figure it's too early to harp on that.

>>20300419
>A program has to run on all kinds of systems.
The programs I write at work have to run on only a single system.
In my free time I maintain several pieces of cross-platform software, and they're significantly more complicated (and therefore less reliable) for it. Merely supporting both Windows and Unix is a headache.
Some of my favorite art has incredibly niche appeal. Adapting it to a lowest common denominator would destroy it.
Much of the most beautiful software is written for a single system and takes full advantage of its peculiarities. See Chuck Moore and Forth: https://yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html
I'm not saying you should do this, but you should consider it. Specialization is powerful.

>>20300493
I think I use commas intuitively at points where I think a sentence "should" have one as a means to emphasize how I'm willing the reader to read the sentence in their head, rather than always using commas 100% correctly in the grammatical sense. If there's a better way of doing this I may not be privy to it, my written voice is definitely just its own thing and I can at least say I've been authentic (if not incorrect). That said, I would like to clean things up and fix the more egregious or glaring issues at some point. I'm not stubborn about it, I just haven't really had any formal training or education on writing.

Thank you for the kind words anon, your feedback is what pushes me to keep going. I have big things in store for this story and I really think it's going to work when I start weaving in the conflict in the next few sections.

Choose writing this morning.

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>>20300607
No.

>>20300606
470 more words to hit my daily quota.

how do i get into creative plot and storytelling/pacing? an author can write with great brevity, but if it isnt about something like exploring a dead dyson ring then i'm generally uninsterested.

How do I use narration without feeling like I'm "telling" and I should somehow expect my readers to divine everything I mean from actions alone even though that's not what any of the books I read, from the sublime to the schlock, do?

>>20298284
He said bad, not good.

>>20300741
But you are telling. Always. It's called storytelling for a reason. "Show don't tell" is a screenwriting thing. It's there to avoid pointless exposition in films.

Why is it so easy for me to figure out the personality of everyone besides my main character?

>>20300816
Then why is show don't tell repeated so often in writing advice? I boxed myself in trying to only show.

>>20300854
Because it's the only advice people hear and they think it applies to everything.

>>20298561
The smartest nigger in the world is still kind of dumb.

>>20300892
holy based
how are you planning on getting funds for this?

>>20300886
>Because it's the only advice people hear and they think it applies to everything.
Next time, try showing me that, idiot.

>>20298861
>>20298884
>>20299051
>>20299117
seethe

>>20300816
>>20300854
The mindset I've shared before is to think of Telling as the gas-pedal. Step on it or tap it when you want to skim over a less interesting part/relay details fast. Most prominent at intro/outros and scene transitions but even "in scene" its a valuable tool.

Showing is experiencing and Telling is explaining. Showing is very wordy and detail heavy so it can bog you down if you're too heavy with it especially for irrelevant details. Telling is efficient/fast but doesn't ground the reader in the scene.

My theory why the horrible Show dont Tell mantra persists is 1) people are idiots who parrot terrible advice into perpetuity on this, passive voice, and adverbs/ adjectives 2) they feel the lack of clarity and specificity and blame "Telling"

>>20300667
Question to you, and the rest of the thread - Does a premise need to reveal itself immediately to catch your interest? If not, how long can be appropriate? I'm working on a story where the scope of the setting won't be made apparent for multiple books. How accepting of a limited perspective and limited information are you?

>>20301057
If the first 8 words don't sell me on the thing, I drop it and never touch anything by the same writer again.
t. literary agent

>>20301057
If the book is well written you can do whatever you want. If it sucks or its boring it doesn't matter what your premise is.

Hi lit so without wasting time I have a idea for a story but i can't write shit so if anyone interested please do something with it.

But before : i don't know how to write anything so please don't criticize me.

>There exists a place in some fucking mountain or Japan or India, where you go to commit suicide (...there is a temple in which there is a stone where the actual suicide happens you go there and you touch the stone and die...) But you have to stay in that temple for one month and reflect on your life and all the decisions you made along, and after one month if you are still depressed and suicidal then you can die or go back to your life.

>So you can add our protagonist as a wagieCuck or KHV virgin incel or generally depressed and you put him in the temple and and show his life and all the shit he did to get at this point, and as the days go by Change his mind and at last day/hour he has to make a decision (i can't think of any good ending that's why i came here so please complete the story pretty please.)

>>20298561
HNNNG
that's all folks

>>20301166
It should end with you killing yourself

>>20299214
That's the only reason to go.

>>20301127
how much do you charge for a review/critique?

>>20301227
I need about $3.50

How much do I need to change a character based off a real person to not get sued?

>>20301219
Why ? Elaborate.

>>20301241
Who is it and what are you writing? If it's a public figure you may not even have to change the name.

>>20301166
This isn't the kind of story I would write, so I don't mind giving you my ideas.
Here's what I came up with while folding laundry. (Menial chores let me daydream, and I come up with a lot of ideas that way.)

After looking back on his life, he realizes there were times where he felt genuinely happy.
They had two things in common: he was alone, and he was unemployed.
He realizes that the big stressors in his life are related to how awful other people are, and how much working for a living sucks.
He also realizes that the sort of people that make his life miserable aren't superior to him -- in fact, they're deeply inferior people, lashing out at anyone they can
His epiphany is that it's better to be alone than to wish you were alone.
He goes back to his life, and resolves to compartmentalize his career so he doesn't think about it unless he's getting paid to, and enjoys his time alone...then decides to write a story about it.

>>20301057
If the writing is excellent, I don't care if a premise ever appears. If the writing isn't excellent, no premise will ever grab me enough to keep reading. I don't care about premise.

>>20301232
Well, it was about that time I realized this literary agent was 8 stories tall, and a crustacean from the Paleolithic era!

>>20301241
I wrote a story for my college class about Ronald Drumpf trying to take over the country so he could round up me and the other trans people of color to exterminate them because he’s an evil Republican (redundant, I know). Nobody said I might get sued. Actually, some of them needed me to explain that Ronald Drumpf was actually Donald Trump and that I was writing about America TODAY (well, back in 2019).
They all clapped.

>>20298721
Why would you care about making a profit off five hundred bucks? The point is to get your book into the right hands. If it lands in even one set of good hands, that'll be your profit and then some.

>>20301166
>>20301257
I like this combo a lot. As a result, I will be stealing the idea for a short story and submitting it to a magazine. Thanks.

>>20301311
Cool...let us know when it gets printed, so we can read it.

>>20301257
he sounds like a faggot

>>20301311
I'm not a writer anon, so you can keep it .

>>20301252
It’s two people I knew back in highschool. It’s necessary for the story so I can’t just cut them out unfortunately. It’s about highschool life and it’s kind of a coming of age story

>>20301311
>>20301347

Cool

>>20300848
Because you haven't written a strong enough main character. There's something "wrong" you can't identify and you need to examine it, solve it, and you might have to start from scratch to do so.

>>20298561
A cyborg agent and her team find out that the demonic invasion that's caused them to crash on a fantasy world is actually an elaborate trap for them.

>>20301278
I'll bet you wish you knew how to quit him.

>>20301278
Epic to the max

>>20301057
The initial premise can shift, but you never want to change from the upfront premise to something completely different that will alienate most people. To put it into better words, don't ever pull away from the reason people want to read your book in the first place.

>>20300848
You're falling into the trap of making the main character the viewpoint towards everybody else, so they're the most 'normal' and mundane so that everybody else seems interesting.

>>20301347
It was printed tomorrow. Will you receive your newspaper last month?

>>20301311
>>20301469
I'm glad you're so enamored with something I came up with in 3 minutes while folding laundry.
I bet you'd kill for my ~1MB "ideas" file.

>>20301418
Then what do I do to get out of that trap?

>>20301525
Why is everybody else interesting, and the main character isn't, in your view? What are they lacking? How do you make them have that? It's dependent on your own writing style.

ESL retard here, writing an essay for college.
I'm having some trouble with the past perfect tense.
Which is correct?
>He had been at the football game. There, he had eaten a hot dog
or
>He had been at the football game. There, he ate a hot dog.

>>20301410
What is a "reason to read a book"? You mean like the genre or blurb on the cover?

Because I intend to bait and switch kill my primary protagonist halfway through the story.

>>20301599
He ate a hotdog at the football game. Most Americans would just default to that anyway.

>>20301599
Second feels less clunky.

>>20301641
Don't do that to him anon, essays need all the padding they can get.

>>20301685
He had gone to the football game between the Sea City Wolves and the Tree City Gulls, and at that time had made the choice to purchase a hot dog ftom the confectionery peddler, thereafter consuming it with much gusto.

Which of these do you prefer:
1) There are portals on earth that take you to a new place (examples: different world, dungeon like place, tower where you have to go up)
2) Earth itself saw mana come back and is now transformed
3) No earth at all, just a new world (MC can be isekaid or a person born and raised on that world)

>>20301763
>MC can be isekaid or a person born and raised on that world
But he still acts like an ignorant overpowered isekaijin even if he's technically a native, right? Right? There are loads of stories like that.

>>20301763
3, definitely and not isekai'd

>>20301634
As in, why would a reader get invested in your story early on? A protagonist switch-up can work, but you need to really sell it. Either have the new protagonist carry on in a good passing-the-torch manner, or have it be so at odds that it flips the script but keeps the general 'tone' of the story the same. Big twists like that are tricky because often the people who WOULD like the post-twist story will not be into the pre-twist story, and vice versa, so you have to have them in the same sort of ballpark.

>>20301763
4) Earth is the isekai destination of some fantasy world fuck.

>>20301866
So, "Star vs. The Forces Of Evil"?

>>20298022
I'm writing a bizarro-lit novella collection and in one story, a group of furry cultists in Rhode Island worship some shit out of a Beksinski painting.
In narration, should I just call them furfags, furfuckers, or something less offensive?

>>20301986
furries?

>>20301986
Just call them furries bro. Even if you're ashamed that you're writing about furries and want to distance yourself by calling them something derisive, just call them furries. Or come up with a new name.

>>20301986
What's your tone? Is the rest of the prose crass enough for the word "furfuckers" to fit? Is it colloquial enough for "furfags" to have a place?
Are they furries in the sense that they dress up as animals or in the sense that if you asked them about e621 they would say "yes, that is a website that I am aware of"?

>>20301946
and Superman

>>20302022
The cultists are butchered with gusto. It's my seething hatred of furries that prompted me to change them from hipster pagans to straight furries. I'm not trying to distance from it.
>>20302027
I think I could get away with just about anything, tonally. The tone is schizophrenic, has the occasional slur, goes off the rails, switches POVs and tenses, has both brutal and cartoon violence, zoophilia, etc. They aren't furries as conventional members of the furry fandom, but they started out as sort of pagan hipsters and larpers, and ultimately having an excuse to mass slaughter a bunch of sodomites and degenerates motivated me to make them furries.

>>20302048
Superman didn't have a Japanese angle.
Whereas Star is a Sailor Moon parody and Marcos is a Dragonball Z parody.

>>20301986
>>20302060
Someone took that ass goblins reccomendation to heart I see

Slow but quality writing today lads

Alright, I've got some time and I need an ego check. Hand me a flash fiction idea and I'll churn it out as fast as I can for a critique.

>>20302468
we are reconsidering everything like usual, I hate that the writing always slows down after around 25k words.
I could pump out 2k a day at the beginning but it always goes down as the story progresses.

>>20302480
Yeah exactly, I’m around the same mark. Nearing 1k for the day but it’s been a struggle. Still, though, I’m happy with the result

>>20302476
man meets woman of dreams in mirror

>>20301986
Providence right? It's always Providence...

That's nice and all, but how do I deal with procrastination and my annoying phone?

>>20302555
I find that I'm unable to motivate myself to do shit unless it's under the threat of a deadline. Have someone you know, or if you have the willpower, enforce a deadline on yourself. I.e. "if I don't write 20k words by the end of next week, I'll have to not do [insert thing you like doing] until I finish my task." Took a while, but it worked for me. Works even better if you can get someone else to enforce it, especially if they take it seriously. As for the phone, don't charge it or just leave it in another room.

its strange that I can write more on the days I have work then on weekends like this...

>>20302543
Yes.

>>20302543
There's a reason H.P. Lovecraft lived there.

>>20302602
Because you're not a writer, you're just trying to distract yourself from work

Every idea I come up with has already been done so why bother?

>>20302681
No niggers?

>>20302682
I don't see it

>>20302685
It's not about the idea, its about how you convey it

>>20302685
A true artist believes no one has ever done his idea correctly, even if it has been done before

I need help. I wrote this scene, but it just doesn't feel violent enough. It's missing the extra umph of someone getting their ass kicked.

>>20302802
These apostrophes are out of control.

>>20302802
Jesus wept

>>20302807
Have you ever heard some Irishman speak?

>>20302814
Sure, but I can imagine it. I don't need to get the dialogue hammered on single malt to get that they have accents

>>20302814
I am literally Irish, what you've written is nonsense

>>20302823
>>20302823
I discussed with another anon and having a sentence with "the thickest accent he ever heard." just gets annoying. I can definitely tone it down though
>>20302824
You can't hear yourself speak. For you, it's perfect. For some random chinese fuck, it's complete utter gibberish.

>>20302824
but that said, I would like your input. How would you write out your accent?

>>20302823
>En wid dat I fetch' her a slap side de head dat sont her a-sprawlin'. Den I went into de yuther room, en 'uz gon 'bout ten minutes; en when I come back dah was dat do' a-stannin' open yit, en dat chile stannin' mos' right in it a-lookin' down and mournin', en de tears runnin down. My, but ey wuz mad!

>>20302842
The same way I'm writing currently.

writing accents is the most unoriginal way to differentiate characters

>>20302949
No, that would be describing the way they look.
Accents can be a nice quirk that a good author can take advantage of.

>>20302976
you're so wrong its pathetic

>>20302949
"Hello there," he spoke in a thick Scottish accent.

>>20302976
Both are really shitty. I've never seen accent shit that didn't immediately make me laugh.

>>20302982
seethe

>>20303006
"Hello," she lied.

"Hello there," said the man in the purple hat.

>>20303020
"Hello," she answered. She wore a jacket, pants, and a pair of white socks with some boots.

>>20303020
Damn...I've seen "Monty Python And The Holy Grail" a zillion times, and never realized the hornblowers were bent-over guys.
I thought they were odd-looking fish.

>>20302823
I can't. If the writer won't do it, why should I do the work for him?

>>20298022
10 of my characters are female, and only 2 of them are male. Their gender is integral to their character, like for example, one of them is a sort of motherly/big sister figure

Is this a bad thing?

>>20303173
No.

>>20301057
I think if there is a wider story that takes several books to cone into focus, you better have some damn interesting micro-stories to pull readers through the books until that point.

>>20303173
Not as long as they are all well written.

>>20298022
Sanderson or Abercrombie? Found books by both in my local bookstore and I'm trying to get better at fantasy, which one would you lads say is better?

>>20303204
Sanderson is a competent writer, though he has a tendency to retread himself and get really same-y, but he's never really BAD. He's clearly a writer who knows how to write, even if he doesn't always write with passion. Solid writer, not a favourite. I'm not too familiar with Abercrombie, personally.

>>20301364
Just change the names and maybe a few of the details. Chances are they'd never read it anyway.

>>20300848
What does your main character want and why? Why can't they get it? Go from there.

>>20302535
Delivered. Hot off the press, a few quick edits for grammar and clarity. As requested, check my ego because I had a rough time at the local library today watching mediocre local authors read excerpts of their books and wanting to scream at them
https://pastebin.com/7jH0Z2pv

>>20303245
>local library today watching mediocre local authors read excerpts of their books
Where does this happen? I never even see authors at my library.

>>20303260
It was organized by a local newspaper who takes weekly submitted snippets and publishes them as a kaleidoscope of stories from the area. It's nice in theory but some of these writers are just god awful. Maybe I'm too high on my own ego right now and reading too much literature that I'm trying to be better than, but today it really put my mood into the pavement.
I made a post in WWOYM about it but they were too busy talking about cuckold porn to reply. >>20301828

Which of these sounds the most compelling for the opening of a cape/super story (if any)?
>Everything was coated in blood but it wasn't my fault
-
>I remember that it was raining when my powers first manifested
-
>The common perception is that those with superpowers are blessed. However, as anyone with powers will tell you, it's more of a curse.

>>20303289
Easily the first.

>>20303289
Don't overthink the opening line. It's the opening paragraphs that matter more. Most people will read at least a couple paragraphs before deciding to drop a book or not. That said, the second is banal, and the third is somewhat profound-sounding within your context but seems like it'd conflict with the tone you're going for if the first one is any indication. It should set expectations in the first line about your protagonist if you're using first-person, to give the reader an idea of who they are. Again, that's more established in the first few paragraphs than just the opening line. A solid example I remember is from the first Bartimaeus book, the opening two paragraphs are a description of a demon being summoned, followed by "Hey, it was his first time. I wanted to scare him", establishing the POV as the demon that was summoned, the personality as being somebody who tries to pry at people's weaknesses and generally being self-serving, etc.

>you can’t use accents ever says local anon
Holy shit everyone gather round, this guy knows better than Kipling AND Faulkner! Hurry, let’s see what he has to say!!

Anon, if you could be so generous, what’s the very best way to write regional dialogue?

>>20303319
Standard American English obviously lol

>>20303337
Awesome anon, great answer. Also, if you could just toss us a crumb, are your abridged versions of As I Lay Dying and Omensetter’s Luck coming out soon?

>>20303317
The general idea I'm trying to go with is that the MC (initially) hates their powers because of what happens when they manifest for the first time. POV being 1st person conversational except in interludes that break up the two major arcs in the first book. I think maybe the 1st and 3rd can be brought together by adding this line to the 3rd:
>And I should know, given how bloody my first exposure to my powers was.

>>20303355
Thanks :)
Sorry what are those books? I don't really read that much

>>20303360
I'd re-arrange it to be more provocative-sounding, personally. "The blood wasn't strictly my fault. It just happened when my powers came into being". Something more like that. I dunno the context specifically so the second half was just generic, but you get the idea.

>>20303370
Maybe I can split the difference and go with:
>The common perception is that those with superpowers are blessed. However, as anyone with powers will tell you, they're more of a curse. The blood coating every surface in the laundromat wasn't strictly my fault. It just happened to look that way when my powers manifested for the first time.

>>20303418
So are the powers just blood stuff? I feel like the line about "The blood wasn't my fault" is a stronger opening line. You'd probably have to re-arrange things so it works out, but you've got something there. Remember, it's more about the first few paragraphs, not just the first line.

>>20303430
Hmm. You're probably right in that I should swap things around. Right now it's coming across that the blood is the powers, rather than a consequence of such. The MC is basically a werewolf with ice manipulation that is witness to a robbery gone wrong and more or less hulks out to try and save someone

>>20303319
Kipling and Faulkner are both unreadable

>>20303476
In that case, the blood technically is his fault, right? So maybe the reassurance should be more that it's not his own, with a later addendum that it's not REALLY his fault.

>>20303289
I think it should start with "Oxygen polluted the sky."

>>20303499
More of a "Okay I guess the robbers' blood was kinda my fault. And I probably left my own plasma there too. But 90% of what was present wasn't me."

>>20303525
It depends how conversational and informal you're going but that's a fair follow-up, it also establishes that he's unwilling to take responsiblity, which is a character trait.

>>20303245
Hmmm...someone's feeling lonely.

>>20303547
It makes for good fuel for writing. Do you have any critiques you can give?

>>20303476
>The MC is basically a werewolf with ice manipulation
That's seems odd, the combination of the two. Why not just the werewolf? More is more, obviously, but I'd think leaning more in the direction of the werewolf would be better. Naturally has regeneration, big and strong and terrifying because of it, enhanced senses in and out of form, maybe able to talk to wolves and dogs. If you want additional powers maybe consult the White Wolf werewolf book for ideas. I mean it's your story, but I'm leery on ice powers because 1. it doesn't seem to jive with the whole werewolf thing and 2. I think you're going to unintentionally use it as a crutch (oh, no need to hurt them lol just freeze them, as if hypothermia isn't a thing)

does anyone know any exercises for improving brevity/grammer? I speak like an ESL and use too many commas.

>>20303600
I guess it felt rushed?
That's OK if it was supposed to be a short story.
There was a lot of summarization (i.e. tell) instead of letting the details unfold for the reader (i.e. show).
On a pleasant note, it wasn't awful, putting it in the top 10% of what I see posted here.

Does anyone have a list of books posted by people on /lit/? I like reading the works of fellow anons.

>>20303669
Literally in the OP:
>/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

>>20303679
Ah. I see. Thank you.

>>20303659
I did aim for a flash fiction, so <1k words. If I had another 1000 words, I could made it more nuanced. Or if I had narrowed the scope of the story into a truer vignette, but the prompt didn't allow for that much narrowness. Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to work harder.

>>20303534
You're picking up on what I'm putting down, which is a good sign. Here's a rentry to pick apart and criticize: z85oc

>>20303616
I just thought it was a cool combination, pun maybe intended. I didn't plan on abusing the ice powers.

>>20303687
Different anon, but I enjoyed reading your story a lot. The plot was actually pretty interesting, and I liked the short, punchy sentences in paragraphs 23 and 24.
In addition to the other anon's criticism, the introduction was a little unremarkable to me. I know you are constrained by a word count, but descriptions like "red digital clock" are kind of weak. I like the next sentence immediately afterwards, though.

>>20303687
Fair enough.
For what it was, it was pretty decent.
Thanks for the change of pace.

>>20303684
The Frog celebrates your politeness.

Any suggestions for replacing "as if" clauses? Example:
>[description], as if [personification/metaphor]

>>20303495
If you are retarded, yes

>>20303915
Good question. Also curious

>>20303915
Rewrite it slightly and make it a simile.

>>20304032
What if I use "like" too much

>>20304182
don't

>>20303915
poetically, you can sometimes just drop the 'as if'

>>20303915
>>20304182
Turn it into a metaphor instead of a simile.
>He was like a charging bull.
turns into
>He was a charging bull.

>>20303363
Ngmi, bro. There's this magical search engine called Google that gives you information. You should look into it.

>>20298538
Video games are where it's at now. That's where you're going to find people that will pay attention to you. The days of literary movements are long past, it's time to move on to the new art forms brimming with new potential if you want to really get anywhere.
I don't think this is because people have less attention spans, I just think their unwilling to go back to older art forms.
Disco Elysium is a game that shows how the art world works nowadays. The director and lead writer was a novelist who wanted to start a cultural movement, his chosen mediums were literature, painting, writing, all of it failed. No one cared about them. Then, they decide to putt all their eggs into one last project, a video game. It's a smash hit. You can't rely on old mediums to start art movements, you gotta keep up with the art world.

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Literature, painting, an MUSIC*