/lit/ - Literature

first for zyzz

>>20292714
Second for dyzz nuts

what's your latest interest/hobby/phase?
what have you been reading?
what have you been listening to?
see any good movies recently?
how have you been?

>>20292730
MY LATEST INTEREST IS IN POSTCRITICAL PHILOSOPHY. EVER HEARD OF IT? NO????? WELL LOOK IT UP THEN!!! I THINK ITS AN INTERESTING SCHOOL OF PHILOSOPHY THAT CAN BE USEFUL IN UNDERSTANDING THE WURLD!!!!!

>>20292730
>reading
Just started The Consolation of Philosophy.
>hobby
Been exploring the local mountains, hiking and whatnot. Might go camp next week
>music
Have been enjoying Type O Negative, specifically their song Summer Breeze

NO VIRGINS ALLOWED BELLOW THIS POST

Stop shitposting; use the energy on talking to women!

Have sex!

Wandering around places, sleeping in motels for a few weeks before moving on, and just generally being, breathing without a single care in the world
Will I ever get that kind of happiness? I don't want to tie myself to a fence and call that a living

>>20292768
Alright.
The tacos look good on her.

Life is just one big cuckoldry, it's impossible not to get cucked.

>>20292783
Angles and filters look good on her.

Women are 90% illusion. They're all just "fine" up close and in person.

>>20292768
>Have sex!
>tfw 30 year old khv
lol, thats not happening.

Big dicks will rule the world

>>20292791
You’ve been ruined by porn

>>20292803
Subscribe to a dating site/app. Date thirty women.

>>20292833
>Date the leftovers
mmmmhm...

Is it cuckoldry to want to eat an FWB's, or even a girlfriend's pussy? I'm torn between my strong desire to eat pussy and the ghost of DJ Khaled in my mind telling me to not play myself despite the temptations of the flesh.

>>20292833
>bro you should totally date women who use ten pounds of makeup every day, get lip fillers and "mild" plastic surgery, use instagram filters and algorithms that scan their videos for blemishes and remove them (from both their face and the surrounding scenery), and a hundred other tricks to cosplay as anime characters in real life, when they are really dumpy 5/10 latinas
You are the one who needs to quit porn. Specifically the constant softcore porn you consume and apparently think is real.

>>20292746
What led you to Boethius?

Two Kindle books.
1. Reading Goethe at Midlife - Paul Bishop
2. What is Civilization and other essays - A.K. Coomaraswamy

Doing another psychiatric assessment soon and my shrink is hoping I'll have a few things in order before then, like good routines and all that. So the plan is to keep going hard on the clean living meme, it's the least I can do since my parents are paying for it. Not drinking is torture, working out feels good, going to bed at a reasonable hour is hard. I enjoy going for long walks, 2-3 hours or so just walking around the city almost every day. Tomorrow I'm supposed to meet some psychology student for a check up, not sure what to expect. An average ''good day'' I don't get much done, but I won't have any major slip ups either. I have all the time in the world so I should be getting more done. It's getting pretty late so I should go to bed, staying up would be unwise since I've already started brooding.

>Famous person dies
>Their secret journal is published without permission
>"NOOOOOO! THIS PERSON HAD RACIAL THOUGHTS! REEEEEEEEEEEEE! HOW EVIL."

>>20292768
I had sex back in 2016.

how do i stop believing in the black pill?

>>20292768
l had sex 2 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO7Dh86OLaU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHviwdECNjU&ab_channel=%CE%98_%CE%98

My balkan has been brainized

>captcha: SHOWW

>>20292851
>FWB
Fuck that shit. I know what a complete slut she is so shan't be doing that
>GF
Fuck that as well can't have her losing respect for me. I will eat that booty like groceries tho.

>>20293290
>Fuck that as well can't have her losing respect for me.

I was wondering if it's possible to sell to a GF if you wrap it in a masculine/dominant enough rhetoric and are masculine/dominant inside and outside the bedroom with her otherwise.

>>20293290
>can't have her losing respect for me
lol what? Also how is eating ass 'better'?

My dad passed away from alcoholism last week. I cleared up his apartment yesterday. I thought it would be like the movies where he would be hospitalized, I would rush over and get to say goodbye. But it was sudden and he was alone.
I’m looking through his Bible right now. Reading his annotations. It can’t be all for nothing /lit/. It just can’t be. I have to see him again someday.

How the fuck do I meet people

>>20293339
he long gone boy

>go to gas station hoping to see qt3.14 chubby cashier girl again
>get in line and guy cashier calls me over
>mfw I paid for this overpriced Frappuccino for nothing

>>20293327
Its a power move. I bend her over and bite her ass and tonguefuck her bootyhole to let her know that I'm going balls deep in her in shitter. She likes to pretend shes uncomfortable with it but it really gets her going.

たったいまわたしのながわかりました
あなたがおっしゃるとおりの「りんご」です
おいしくできたみからまいとしおとどけします
めしませ! つみのかじつ

>>20293339
You will, this may sound strange but I've been meditating on this for years and every time I reach anything like a mystical state I keep finding the idea that "nothing is lost." Not even small things. I really believe we only see a tiny sliver of real reality. You have to have faith in this and not let the gloom overcome you. A meaningless universe wouldn't spit out beings who paradoxically have a concept of meaning. It would be dead clockwork, and if it produced "beings" at all, they would be mindless automata inhabiting the same dead empty void as everything else.

There's something in analytic philosophy called ontological status. Anything that "is," and isn't trivially decomposable into something smaller (the way a table is obviously composed of wood from trees), has ontological status until we succeed in reducing it (like a table to wood, and wood to carbon atoms, etc.). Anything with ontological status is an explanandum, i.e. that which is to be or has to be explained. Everything about us that isn't immediately assimilable to dead matter is an explanandum. The very fact that you care about your dad, the very fact that you exist, the very fact that you feel something like "love" (instead of just base animal desire, let's say) is an explanandum with ontological status until proven otherwise. But if you really push this, even the existence of matter itself is. No matter how you dice the universe you get a whole bunch of miracles we can't explain.

I strongly believe that we were given free will for a reason, but that doing this required making the world "free" to be shitty and not make sense from a local perspective. There is simply no way to make sense of people losing their loved ones, much less with the suddenness of this. But it's ONLY a local perspective. If you could see just under the surface of things you would see a whole world buzzing with other structures and forms of continuity that go beyond the everyday and the material.

I don't know if any of this helps but I can't not share my completely 101% literal faith and certainty that you will see him again and that you haven't lost him. Nobody deserves to go what you're going through. Stay strong and make him proud.

I'm about to release a cash-grab book under an ethnic female pen name. Really hoping it takes.

>>20293385
Your confidence and faith inspire me anon. Thanks. Really. It means a lot.

>>20293394
I'm rooting for you bud. When you make it big venmo me some malt liquor money.

So is butters dead or what

I have no idea what to spend money on, once I pay rent & bills there's barely anything I can think of, I'm too used to pirating all media I wish for, I buy new clothes once every new moon and I barely go on dates.
I don't get single people who live paycheck to paycheck, what exactly are they wasting their money on?

>>20293455
Don't rightly know anon. Only thing I spend money on is booze, crack and donuts and that still barely puts a dent in my paycheck.

>>20293455
Blame it on the cigarettes food and a-a-alcohol

>>20293455
maybe it's because your place looks like this and you see no problem with it? consider buying some furniture instead of living like some ghost ready to move out at any time.

>>20292730
I don't read or write much, talking to people who do so is just endearing.

New Mishima novel

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/316/316805/beautiful-star/9780241545560.html

i used to be extremely extroverted and quick-witted, I imagine I projected a good amount of confidence in the process, was pretty good at chatting up average women but when I started to fall into a bad crowd I began to feel like my personality wasn't "cool", like it was annoying or cringe or something, and I became self conscious about it, then one night I took a bunch of LSD and smoked a tonne of weed and completely erased my personality and after that day I became a quiet autist unable to express myself with bad anxiety and everything about me that got me my friends and women disappeared and now I am a forever alone recluse with severe anxiety and Depersonalization-derealization disorder.
Every once and a while though I get drunk in the right setting and eel just right and suddenly everything comes out and im like an excited child with a decade of pent up energy, and then im ACTUALLY a little obnoxious and cringe and talk talk talk about every random thing that comes into my head

>>20292768
You keep telling us to have sex and I keep asking you how I'm supposed to do that again, and you never give me a clear answer.
>>20293145
Because the 100 entries on "had porridge for breakfast again" or the ongoing descriptions of trying to fix the plumbing and dealing with contractors doesn't get clicks.
>>20293339
Sorry you didn't get that last good bye, losing a parent or any loved one is rough. All the more so when it's a shock.
>>20293342
Sit at the bar and crack jokes. That's how I got a discount at my favourite bar. But honestly I don't know.
>>20293455
Are you happy though?

>>20292784
i cant even complain its cuck or be cucked these days

>>20293709
dude i'm pretty sure that happened to me. i was more or less living normal teenage chilling with my crew of skater dudes, partying with stoner and goth chicks, more or less normal life until one summer i did a ton of lsd and then i lost the ability to make new friends or connect with people and eventually drifted away from everyone then when i moved to a new city i was basically a recluse for 10 years minimum. lsd is great, but be careful, if you have any autistic tendencies at all it could blow you mind out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71YffvweoQo

at least a jannie is a cinese commie as it deleted this topic
>>/lit/thread/20293117

>>20293420
Sniping Nazis in the Donbass

>>20293753
yes it is truly awful. im 28 in a month now and it feels like ive lost my entire young-adulthood, possibly my whole life, because i did this shit when i was like 16 or 17 and it feels like im trapped in a cage unable to escape it, or trapped inside a machine that is rotting away and im stuck rotting with it. even subconsciously when i dream, my dreams are all heavily based around my memories and experiences when I was younger, the people i spent time with, school etc, even though ive been out of school for a decade now, because ive just been trapped since then, unable to live properly. I keep trying to do better but in the back of my head there is a constant feeling that my life is already over and suicide or homelessness is utterly inevitable because I will never be able to be free of this nonsense and live a normal functional life and the clock is ticking

>>20293788
LMAO a Maoist trannie. Dude is a a fucking clown.

>>20293730
Bars around here suck. America has a terrible bar culture

>>20293876
Fair enough. What about Live music? Art Galleries? Joining hobbyist groups? Farmers Markets?
Put it this way: where have you tried to meet people already.

>>20292848
Pedophile.

>>20292859
You have been ruined by porn.

I think everybody in my family is afraid of me

>>20293906
like they should!

>>20292710
bingle, bongle. spiggin! roogle.

Papert's Principle - that the greatest leaps in development often come from how to administer and combine already acquired skills and processes, not to acquire new ones.
I know Scott Adams is a grifter but the the idea of 'Talent Stacking' is so tantalizing, especially the self-effacing manner he uses himself as a example of it. He admits he's not a great comedian or illustrator but it's the combination of these mediocre skills that creates a whole that is greater than the sum of it's parts.
This appeals to me because I've always been a jack of all trades, master of none, I come from a long line of all-rounders. Men who never particularly attained success in any one field, yet were competent across many, who could switch careers like switching lanes on the highway.
That cunt Steve Jobs pretends that his dropping in on a calligraphy class at Reed University was some kind of fateful teleological moment that changed the course of U.I. however he was a high functioning narcissist who was very good at bullying and persuading people, and amongst tech nerds his Charisma seemed 10 fold. But it seems to me that he's another jack-of-all-trades who found the right combination of mediocre skills and folded them into a meteoric rise.
It's tempting to think that if I just found just the right combination of marketable skills that I already have I could live a comfortable and satisfying life. I don't need or want to be a Steve Jobs. But to not have to be a wagecuck is all I desire.
It all goes back to Aristotle, that the hyle and the morphe, the material and the form both contribute to what something is, that the same material can be changed in form. When we first play with Lego or Mechano we intuit this.
Is it true of humans? Is it true of me: do I simply need to recombine the my skills and processes into a new morphe? Probably.

>>20294050
steve jobs worked harder than any wagie, at one point he was the ceo of two billion dollar companies both of which he founded from scratch, that takes an incredible amount of work

>>20293407
You got it, pal.

>>20293881
I'll try more places. I live in a major metropolitan area so you'd think theres so much going on. But it really just doesn't work that way. Regardless of where I go I feel invisible. I think I'll find some volunteer program. Force myself into an acitvity where I have to directly interact with other people and get to know them like that.

>>20294233
>Regardless of where I go I feel invisible
Yeah I feel that way too. What I've realized is that you actually have to be proactive and impose yourself. When you feel invisible you're being passive and expecting someone else to "make the first move". It's sort of like a reverse game of chicken - if no one makes the first move there is no game at all.
So you have to actively when going out smile at people, make those innocuous comments that can lead to small talk.
I was thinking about this the other day: of course 9/10 times it won't "go anywhere". But if you do it 1000x a year, which is pretty easy, then 100 times it will "go somewhere" either blossoming into a friendship or through that interaction you meet someone else and so on and etc.

>>20293709
>>20293753
>>20293815
You see kids, this is why you don’t do LSD.
These retards exposed themselves to extradimensional demons that sucked their souls, now they are shells of their former selves.
There is nothing mystical about LSD “trips”, the entities that inhabit the planes you access are malevolent.

>>20293205
Then it's expired.

>>20292710
Benny when down the hill and once he reached the end he didn't know which way was up.

I finally understand it all. Reality is deviation from logic. To the extent that something can be said to be real, its reality, in essence, is measured in proportion to which it deviates from the logical representation of the phenomenon. Logic is a baseline, a bedrock, an ideal plane and the Real is a perturbation, an excitation or fluctuation that diverges from it. We can locate what's real by comparing the distance between a thing and the logical.

The union of two abysses does not produce a height.

>>20294367
Give a real life example this seems like it changes nothing.

>>20294372
Taking the anti lesbian metaphors too far, anon

>>20294524
What about incels and damaged goods though?

>>20294532
Well, one would hope when two “voids” find each other they’d kindle some love.

>>20292730
>interest/hobby/phase?
Getting knee deep in theology
>what have you been reading?
Giordano Bruno, Giambattista Vico, Rene Descartes, The Bible
>what have you been listening to?
Hmm...right now I had some thrash on, Exodus, Overkill, Tankard, going to go into drone (Sunn O))), Nadja), played Orphaned Land, Intronaut, Config.sys, Converter, Enduser, Snapcase, Blood For Blood, New Risen Throne, Beyond Sensory Experience, and a buttload of 19th century classical music
>see any good movies recently?
Nah don't go to the theatres much, will update on what I've seen in the future
>how have you been?
A bit overworked from house chores, not much free time these days. Need to get a new job. Learning German, exercising when I can and made a new album (noise/industrial/dark ambient), went to the park the other day with my roommate, this black lady her mom and her kid.

>>20294563
That would be the hope but unfortunately i believe they would just drag each other down further.

>>20294627
Wanted to add I've noticed people don't seem to ask for LBGTBBQ representation in philosophy because Plato liked twinks. I enjoy Plato regardless.

My 4jo told me today that he got december eyes. I found that very poetic.

>>20294639
I wish I could have kids but I'm stuck here with a roommate

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supported_living

>>20292710
I really need a good therapist to sort through my thoughts with, but finding one who's actually helpful is next to impossible, most of em are just pseuds or too inexperienced

>>20294677
no old white guys?

>>20294639
I like it.
>>20292730
>what's your latest interest/hobby/phase?
Sinking further into the abyss.
It's always I know I need to do 'something' but how and what that something is never reveals itself no matter how hard I think or research it.
>what have you been reading?
Nothing. Anyone have any good books that address >>20294050 this? Obviously not Papert, Minsky, or Scott "grifter" Adams
>what have you been listening to?
The usual: Jenny Hval. Sparks. Yves Tumor. Amon Duul ii
>see any good movies recently?
yes, "Daguerreotypes"!
>how have you been?
Pretty shit. I have no prospects on the horizon. No lady. No Job. and every creative project I set up always sinks without a trace. I wish I had of been an animator, then I wouldn't need collaborators. I could do it all myself.

>>20294050
I dont know my skills.

>>20294700
What services do/have people pay you for?
What activities do you find fun to be challenged by?
What activities do you find easy to do, or at least easier than others?
What activities do you have a degree of confidence about?

>>20292730
>right wing philosophy
>Nietzsche, Yarvin, BAP
>Nothing
>Not really
>Still a faggot but I think I'm improving slowly

>>20294702
>What services do/have people pay you for?
none
>What activities do you find fun to be challenged by?
I've lost interest in trying. I cant even fix my own life.
>What activities do you find easy to do, or at least easier than others?
maybe say a random thing or crack a joke
>What activities do you have a degree of confidence about?
I dont have confidence in myself

>>20292730
>what's your latest interest/hobby/phase?
Prostitutes.
>what have you been reading?
Proust.
>what have you been listening to?
Chopin.
>see any good movies recently?
Not really.
>how have you been?
Exploring the strange sense of abject bliss that comes from cooming 3 times in the span of an hour doing nothing but eating the ass of a woman you have never met before and will never see again.

>>20294713
Oh come on anon, you're not even trying to be truthful, I'm not asking you to be some kind of sunshine and kittens optimist, I'm trying to get you to identify things which come easier or with a higher degree of competence than others.
>I've lost interest in trying.
What had you tried in the past?
> I cant even fix my own life.
I didn't ask you about your life, I asked you about specific activities which may not be reflective of your entire existence.
>maybe say a random thing or crack a joke
Which random things? If you had to guess.
Cracking a joke? More specifically - is it wordplay, or are you more about the delivery?
>I dont have confidence in myself
Again, I'm not asking about yourself, I asking your confidence in specific activities in isolation which you feel more certainty over you ability to perform them than everything else.
Don't make me do all the heavy lifting here anon.

>>20293561
Oh shit that's dope and it looks experimental as fuck for him

>>20294679
I'd love an old white guy desu, too bad it's 90% women in their 30s

>>20294725
>What had you tried in the past?
Different activities like chess, sports, singing, dancing, volunteering, drawing, theatre. None of these stuck with me for a longer period so I cant say that I achieved any skill in it.
>More specifically - is it wordplay, or are you more about the delivery?
It more into territory of observational and wordplay humor. I think my delivery is rather decent. I think "by random" I mean that I have much better time saying something on the spot than for example writing jokes for a 5 min stand up. Also, Im not much of a storyteller. Its strange that is a skill I have a bit of confidence but at the same time I stammer words.

>>20294767
One thing to keep in mind is Papert's Principle was much more atomic, it's stuff like how, say, being able to control the pressure in your finger tips as well as balance a ball on your hand offers you a exponentially greater amount of dexterity than each manoevuer in isolation.
So you say that you didn't achieve any level of skill in all those things, but even to draw a a shitty drawing means you have some amount of hand eye coordination, dexterity, imagination etc. that can coalesce into that act. The other thing is obviously maybe if you had of stuck with any of them longer maybe you would have gotten better? I don't know.
>It more into territory of observational and wordplay humor. I think my delivery is rather decent. I think "by random" I mean that I have much better time saying something on the spot than for example writing jokes for a 5 min stand up. Also, Im not much of a storyteller
This is all very useful information because let's break this down.
By 'random' you mean observations and improvising things in the moment. Okay so if you get really pedantic and think about the whole complicated cognition process that allows you to do that, there's a lot going on. The most important high-level aspect that comes to mind is:
situational awareness - the complex mix of understanding social mores and norms etc. being able to make observations and understand the mood, hierarchy, intentions of people is one thing - but then to be able to condense that into a appropriate comment, not a platitude or a catchphrase, but to find a pun, some word play there's something in that. I don't know what. But it seems pretty broad what you could do with it.
>Its strange that is a skill I have a bit of confidence but at the same time I stammer words.
Well knowing what to say and having the confidence to say it can be different. You can work on the stammer though.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that so many people are content with having a 9-5 job. It feels surreal to me that we just eagerly throw away such an incredible amount of our finite time on this world, even more so when we know it wasn¡t like this for most of human history. Fucking medieval serfs worked less hours than an average salaryman today.
This is waht convinced me the NPC meme is true. People waste their lives working and once they are off work they continue to waste their precious time with shit like social media, tv and the like. They either lack the most fundamental aspect of what makes us human or have it so warped and deformed from years of institutional adoctrination that can't even comprehend life could be more than working-entertainment-fucking-sleeping.
I honestly hate most of left wing politics, but I will vote whatever party advocates for the 4 day work week, UBI, etc. I fucking hate Protestants and their shit work ethic, they brought us the literal death of the soul of most of mankind and the most degenerate, souless era in the whole of human history.
All I ever want to do is work on something that I can find fulfilling, read, learn languages, meditate and enjoy nature, but I guess my corporate overlords know what's better for society.

>>20294679
I had one dude as a psychologist he wasn't very helpful. Turns out his shtick was drug and alcohol counseling and not mental health so I had to switch

>>20292710

>>20294796
>if you had of stuck with any of them longer maybe you would have gotten better?
Thats true but does Paperts principle include motivation? It seems like a very technical principle.
>But it seems pretty broad what you could do with it.
It does seem more like a side dish and not the main course. Sure you can be a comedian but lets be honest, being able to make a pun, a joke or even make people laugh doesnt mean that you can make a career out of it.

>>20294702
>What services do/have people pay you for?
music, books - not sure if you worded the question correctly but people pay me for music and books I've written, I pay for kindle stuff and steam games
>What activities do you find fun to be challenged by?
theology, I find sociology, economics, and history pretty easy but theological systems are hard to memorize sometimes
>What activities do you find easy to do, or at least easier than others?
writing (which I actually commit to at least twice a month), guitar, working FL Studio, I find a lot of political science pretty easy as its what I started out with
>What activities do you have a degree of confidence about?
I guarantee I know more about economics than 90% of this board (the answer is somewhere in the middle, georgism, mutualism, economic populism)

The Jannies have been doing their job recently and /lit/ seems to have somewhat improve. Am I the only one who see this?

>>20294837
Is that why /lit/ improve so much in a week?

>>20294830
> Sure you can be a comedian but lets be honest, being able to make a pun, a joke or even make people laugh doesnt mean that you can make a career out of it.
I didn't even think of it in terms of being a comedian, I was thinking a whole host of different roles: white collar management roles in many industries, strategy in a P.R. department, counseling and therapy, being a 'fixer' for television productions, certain Intelligence gathering roles, and perhaps even journalism.
In all these careers (and there are many more) where the ability to read a room and then say the right words without preparation are very valuable.
Instead of saying "I'm funny - how can I market this?" break it down "what sub-skills make me funny? Where else could they be useful?"
>Thats true but does Paperts principle include motivation? It seems like a very technical principle.
No it has nothing to do with motivation. Personally I refuse to think in terms of 'motivation' or 'motivated' any more. I'm not saying I'm never lazy or don't procrastinate, but they are rarely the reason I fail to take action. However it sounds like that's not where I can help you.

thought? this seems like what real strength in diversity looks like
http://www.renegadetribune.com/when-george-lincoln-rockwell-elijah-muhammad-and-malcolm-x-shared-the-same-stage/

>>20294909
I tried streaming for a few times but I failed in a way that I had very long periods of complete silence (from my end) between my commentary and even then I found very little to say. This tendency is found even when Im with my friends where I mostly stay silent, then say a quick joke or an observation and return to being silent.
>motivation
why do you hate it?

>>20294683
Amon Duul II, nice

>>20294763
>>20294763
I find it easier to talk to a female psychologists desu

>>20294966
Hmmm I wasn't thinking of anything so public facing like streaming or sales or improv for that matter. But even so, patter is actually pretty easy to learn. When I hear color commentators in sports broadcasts and how they can blow so much fucking hot-air without saying anything you realize it's pretty easy to just bellow and say words.
>why do you hate it?
I didn't express a judgement. I simply said that I refuse to think in terms of motivation because it is overwhelmingly not why I fail to take action. Maybe it is for you?

>>20294993
>it's pretty easy to just bellow and say words.
It doesnt seem that easy. Especially if one has social anxiety.
>Maybe it is for you?
Yes and no. I can use the lack of motivation as an excuse as why I dont want to do something. However I think its more of a lack of passion in the first place. Some sort of internal reactor or magnetic compass pointing to the activity without external force or circumstances.

>>20295002
> Some sort of internal reactor or magnetic compass pointing to the activity without external force or circumstances.
I mean it's kind of splitting hairs whether that's also "motivation" or not.
And again, you could also be saying that this lack of internal reactor as an excuse.
Is it really true that you haven't found something that like a lock and key, a hand and glove you haven't found a significant drive and attraction to?
>Especially if one has social anxiety.
I know it seems like it's hard, but I would also counter there's plenty of people who prattle and ramble precisely because of their social anxiety. To whom it would come easy because they have social anxiety.
Anyway, social anxiety itself is only a symptom - it is a way of describing a particular cluster of feelings about interacting with people - most of which stem from more deeply rooted causes I won't get into. I don't think you're interested in psychoanalyzing you.
To be honest with you, I'm getting this vibe I get with a lot of people on here: I feel like all of this is stemming from a much deeper worldview thing. Maybe you've been through some trauma. Maybe you have some self-worth issues? Issues with belonging? These are the standard reasons when you scratch into it -- so please don't think I'm saying they are your personal reason. But I certainly feel that there's a kind of all encompassing worldview thing, the kind of worldview that causes a feedback loop with depression is at the center of all this. (and of course I COULD BE WRONG!)

>>20295027
>Is it really true that you haven't found something that like a lock and key, a hand and glove you haven't found a significant drive and attraction to?
Perhaps. There are different levels of drives and atrraction for example some people like to listen to music, others like it as a hobby or a very few cannot imagine their life without it in a way that their whole world and personality is so intertwined with music that its a literal obsession and cannot stop making it. Maybe Im in search for this obsession but that begs a question - can it really be called an obsession if it doesnt manifest on its own?
>I don't think you're interested in psychoanalyzing you.
I dont mind being psychoanalyzed. If anything, it makes me examine different points of view.

>>20294964
Who?

The masculine urge to butcher your friend and carve their femur into a pen

>>20292710
I just bought a steamer basket for 7,99, and the box it came in said 2,99. I'm pretty goddamn annoyed about that.

>>20295040
You really need to drill down and understand why you have social anxiety? Is it because you're fearful of what people think of you? Is that why you gave up on dancing, on theater, on illustration? If it wasn't external - was it a matter of you had a certain idea of what being 'good' was in these activities that you failed to reach? Was it a lofty standard? If you had of reached it, what would it mean - what would you then do?
Or was it only the idea of what those activities represented that attracted you: chess is for smart people, volunteering is the moral thing you're "supposed" to do. Was that it? You were going through the motions?
One of those things must have been more enjoyable than the others - why?
I'm thinking that this whole thing comes from issues of self-worth, that's my unsubstantiated hunch
>Maybe Im in search for this obsession but that begs a question - can it really be called an obsession if it doesnt manifest on its own?
The question is kind of flawed, sometimes the things you enjoy doing are the things you had to work at, sometimes they come easily. It's not an either-or. After all even with your music example, someone may strum a guitar or play the drums and finally find it, it scratches the itch, but they still need to spend years to 'git gud' for it to provide any meaningful sense of satisfaction. Other people get flung into industries they never expected to be in or sought and after a period of struggling to survive find they love it and can't imagine their lives without it. Including quite a few billionaires.
Anyway I've got to go. So good luck with it.

>>20294976
Yeah they pretty good

Love is a sense of wonder,
that fills me with dread.
Like plastic bagged wonder bread,
one part brings nourishment,
the other, suffocation, dead.

We lie in our shared bed,
this arm wrapped around, your resting head.
"I'll love you, forever." you often said,
somehow you always remember,
somehow I'll never forget:

that crooked smile,
those tired eyes
dismember my doubt,
don't leave me instead.

Though you ate first bread,
then patiently waited, for me
to take the bag off my head.

You poked a hole in certainty,
How is it, you heal me?
You wandering woman,
How is it you still steal,
consuming all breath?

Dear wanderer, my dear,
Don't wonder, don't dread.
For this is a lover, and I am well fed.

>>20295094
do you like other krautrock bands and do you venture into stuff like rock in opposition at all?

also saw someone post their metaphysics on the main and was wondering if I should do the same.

>>20293469
looks good i like minimalism

>>20295111

1) all propositions must have meticulous definitions, no "one word means many things"
2) to find the truth, begin with doubt, but there is not one "methodology" to find truth from there, any kind of discovery should have multiple ways to find where "A" leads to "B"
what does this sound like?

>>20293455
Most people use up all their money to fuel their addictions. Be it sex, food, vidya, cars, clothes, smoking, drugs, alcohol or whatever. Life is very cheap if you‘re straight edge.

I‘m about done with this stupid gnocchi dough. How much flour can it absorb? It‘s time to stop.

>>20295148
like picrel?

>>20295159
Idk who that is but he looks like he wastes all his money on alcohol, drugs and smoking.

>>20295162
no that's Karl Buechner of Earth Crisis, vegan straight edge band. I know many more of that kind, including Minor Threat and Youth Of Today, I was associated with that scene for a short while.

>>20295166
In that case, yes. Being vegan is the corner stone of being straight edge.

>>20295173
you mind answering this>>20295142

???

If you are reading this post your dick will be shortened by 4 inches within 5 years. To undo this curse you need to copy this and paste it on 5 other threads. i'm so, so sorry, please forgive me. I Know this may be seem nonsense but not gonna risk

>>20295219
Good. I want my cursed dick to disappear completely.

>>20295111
>do you like other krautrock bands and do you venture into stuff like rock in opposition at all?
Yeah. All the typical ones, Can. Popol Vuh. Le Dusseldorf. Ashra. Manuel Göttsching gives me eargasms.
I have no idea what 'rock in opposition' is. I'm a pretty standard hipster.
>also saw someone post their metaphysics on the main and was wondering if I should do the same.
What do you mean 'on the main', like on a public profile? I dunno, I've never really thought enough about my metaphysics in ideological terms to feel like I can use it as a signifer of my identity

>>20293826
Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?
>>20293876
Eh it usually tends to be either a place full of "young hip" kids in their 20s or a dive. I prefer the latter because I'm gonna 40 soon and don't like all the commotion
>>20293881
The rock club down the street had a (((proof of vaccine))) requirement for an entire year so I noped the fuck out of that place. Not sure if its still up because I saw some great grindcore and doom acts there before.

>>20295254
I was referring to this >>20295142
anyways check out Henry Cow and Univers Zero if you want to know what Rock In Opposition is.

>>20295256
>gindcore, doom
heavy metal is a sausagefest of dudes with no taste. even a dungeons and dragons convention would have more chicks.

>>20295257
Without context I don't get it nor understand the request - prepare for a blog post and sorry if it's irrelevant, that's my failure to understand.
I suppose I agree with 1. But it can go the other way as well, too often I see people get caught up in trying to 'define' things which considering the nature of the discussion don't really need to be defined. Almost all arguments fundamentally devolve into this "prove solipsism isn't true" when you badger and gripe about definitions for too long. But over all, yes, propositions need meticulous definition, because people use a lot of 'suitcase' words (you can stuff a lot of things in a suitcase but they aren't all of the same nature) that do indeed need definition, like "consciousness" or "meaning" or "purpose" and even deceptively simple words like "good" or "best". Best for whom? Good by what criteria?
As for 2, I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by 'to find truth' - to find the truth of what?

>>20295284
Its an epistemology question. Its like for finding scientific proofs

>>20295287
I mean isn't the Popperian idea that you have to presume all scientific findings are "for now" or "good enough"?
>All models are wrong, but some are useful - George Box
So I suppose there's an implicit, almost noise-floor of doubt that pervades all scientific investigation. You know, there might be chimerian DNA in the subject of the genetic test. There could be a unexpected surge of background radiation when studying a certain transponder. It's the Black Swan thing: all swans are white - oh wait, what did the Dutchman find in Western New Holland? You're fucking kidding me?!
As for the multiple routes, I suppose so, provided you have meticulously defined propositions behind your hypothesis which you're testing.

>>20295297
I don't care for Popper much. I see it as being vaguely a mix of Cartesian doubt and epistemological anarchism but your guess is as good as mine

Is there some kind of rivalry between chickens and eggs? The one makes the other tastes as good as possible to be the last one standing

i tried getting back into /lit/ for like a week, already sick of it.

why is the mafia glorified but essentially similar organizations like the freemasons are maligned. seems like a biased pro-southern Euro sentiment.

>>20295335
Of course the egg tastes good, it's the placenta for the chicken embryo.

>>20295362
Because Pacino and Brando were such charismatic actors.
No one has made a Godfather or even a Scarface to add some Hollywood glamour and Vaseline to the Freemasons. And they've been smart enough not to try like FIFA did with their much maligned vanity film.

>>20295369
that's bad news for a WASP like me, nothing about us gets glorified or seen as cool. maybe its just because I got beat up by wops in high school I have a giant chip on my shoulder.

>>20295374
Didn't Vampire Weekend, a bunch of Jews and Iranians build their entire aesthetic on glorifying WASPs?

>>20295374
>I got beat up by wops in high school
Hot. Did they press their bulges in your face too?

>>20295379
I dunno I don't listen to trendy teenager music
>>20295380
this is what happens when you start with the Gay-reeks

>>20295384
>I dunno I don't listen to trendy teenager music
They were trendy maybe when today's teenagers were embryos.

>>20295387
Christ I'm old

>>20295400
Yeah I'm pretty close to the point that there will be 18 year old who were born when I was 18

>>20295407
I'm already over that point. I will be 40 in June

why do things like sperm banks no one seems to bat an eye at but if you bring up artificial wombs people screech?

>>20295476
Because women are capable of taking care of a baby on their own unlike men.

>>20295481
irrelevant, women can give birth but taking care of it once its born can be either sex, really.

>>20295491
In theory, yes. In practice, not so much.

>>20295142
wish someone would give a straight answer instead of a non-answer like
>>20295284
did

I need to know the specifics of where I'm going with this.

>>20295499
I‘m not entirely sure what you‘re getting at but i like both of those rules in general as it makes sense to define your stuff beforehand and it also makes sense that the truth should be optainable from different angles and result in the same insight, no matter from where you approach it.

>>20295498
modern women seem like a huge burden on the progress of humans (and I don't mean in an sjw kind of way but something like creating epic monuments, scientific achievements, and great, if not exactly perfect, political institutions) at this juncture in time. I don't mean to be pessimistic but maybe its time we just cut our losses and move on without them. and yes I've had sex and relationships multiple times, that's irrelevant to the question.

>>20295507
is there any thinker that comes close or a certain doctrine that I can pin point towards?

im trying to figure out how to world build. i have a fantasy world in my head for a very, very long time, but no matter what approach i take with it - it's not good enough.

today i've taken this fantasy world but i've integrated it into the real world. something like what was done to make the conan universe. it's so much better, and allows me to play with so many things.

but i still don't know where to start.
do you start with the mythology and build the story from it? do you start with a story, and add the background as it develops? do you draft a map and create places before you actually mention them? i just don't know how start adding the meat to the bones

>>20295499
Hey fuck you too, maybe ask a better question next time.

>>20295509
I‘m sure it would already help tremendously to just separate men and women for the majority of time. Maybe let there be a month for mating season to keep humanity alive, but other than that, i‘m sure it would produce extraordinary results if both men and women could just focus on bettering themselves and innovation instead of wasting so much energy and time into all the drama that comes with their desire to procreate.

>>20295521
geez, take your meds

>>20295522
I guess that's one way of looking at it

the elites and the middle class of my country makes me want a communist revolution just to see their heads on pikes
they manage to even worse than the poor, always drugged and hiding from reality and from the depressing absurd that reality has become, decadent, perverted, arrogant uneducated while pretending to be intellectuals

>>20295556
Geez, take the criticism. And learn that if you're getting vague answers then it's probably because of the vagueness of your question.

>>20295797
No I'm asking for a specific doctrine of thought.

Anyways I did some research and found out I might believe in a form of epistemic emergentism, taking Aristotle's metaphysics and applying it to philosophy of science and language

>>20292710
my buddy made fun of me bc I told him I was moved to tears by a piece of writing

>>20295863
What was it?

>>20295863
I might be a big bad woman hater, but yeah men can be insensitive at times, especially when they're teenagers or young adults.

Another Tinder date another chubby goth bitch with cutting scars on her thighs.

>>20295985
sounds like my OKCupid dates from the oughts before they started banning "big bad chuds like me"

>>20295863
I would too, good man, fuck you.
I bet you cried to the ending of Cars 2

>reading in bookshop
>get bothered by a bunch of teenagers
>calmly tell them to fuck off
>they immediately run away
Damn asserting yourself does actually work. Can't believe I've been missing out this long.

>>20296306
>99% of man's literature and poetry is dedicated to this.

>>20295985
How chubby

>>20295256
Bars around here are full of mexicans who would stab me

>>20294532
How do I get a damaged goods gf

If Socrates knows the he 'knows nothing' then doesn't that mean that he knows something?

>check mate Platoists

>>20296426
South Texas or El Paso resident I assume?

>>20296449
Los Angeles

Alright bros Im gonna read a book in public. I'll tell you if I meet any art hoes

>>20292710
i need to animate that 4th dimensional pan analogue i wrote ages ago. it'd be sick.

Bricklayers trample the devil through honest work.

i´m still trying to learn how to flirt with girls in order to have a gf but man, the process is killing me, i feel like some chump whenever a girl rejects me, even if i made a good first impression, i feel like a moron everytime they reject me, sometimes i feel like i should quit but my will is greater than my willingness to surrender so i keep going

I feel sad that The Bridge That Broke is the only Jim Barnett story that got translated to English, while the main collection ended up ignored. Bromance between Lupin and Bechoux is one of the most entertaining parts of Lupin lore.
I would gladly trade something like Eight Strokes of the Clock for it.

I once replied to myself after forgetting that I had written the post I was replying too.

>>20297007
Sometimes I see a post that really resonates with me. Then I realized I made that post while black out drunk the night before

When and why did breeding become the big meme fetish du jour? Like I can understand thicc women coming back into fashion after the sticc period of the last couple decades due to negro tastes but breeding is a bit of an enigma.

>>20297054
Japanese declining birth rates>Hentai>Anime becoming mainstream in the West. Just kidding, I don't know.

>>20297054
popularity of hentai prolly. Big emphasis on breeding there

I've had some time off work and some money to spend, so today I decided to go downtown. For you Europeans or Americans east of the Mississippi, we have "old town" sections in this part of the west. It's usually just a mainstreet with every building made of brick. The past ten years has seen these old towns get very boogie, upscale.
So I sat in the park a while abd then went to a pizza shop and had pizza and beer. Then I went to the library and read a book I enjoy. It was very peaceful, very carefree.
And then I realized that's ththe lifestyle I was supposed to have had in University. Just hanging around, reading subjects I enjoy, having a couple beers, meeting friends. I didn't have any of that. And now I'm too old to really recapture the magic that experience would have been to an 18 year old me. It hurts to know that I've spent the last 5 years just wasting away.
Fittingly I'm currently reading The Consolation of Philisophy. It reads like a therapy session, but actually meaningful. I'm only on Book II, but so far I really like the description of Fortune and hope to integrate that into my perception of my life.

>>20297071
Maybe the renaissance of thiccness is less related to negro culture and moreso connected with breeding itself becoming popular?

>>20297076
Not sure about that. Even normies who never seen hentai are getting into breeding play. Also I admittedly don't watch hentai but as far as I seen it's less about breeding there and more about the act of nutting inside a woman, which is connected to breeding, but in the context of hentai seems to be more of a power play thing.

In any case, things could have gone a lot worse than thiccness and breeding becoming popular. Incomparably better than the incest or cuckold shit of the last couple years.

>>20297054
A desperate attempt to reintegrate procreation into the act of sex and thereby making sex meaningful again.

>>20297054
Japanese used to just turn sex into weird jokes, but now it's all about catering to lonely otaku. Or so I see it.

>>20296472
Even worse

Anyways, I remembered an incomplete list of literature I had to read in grade school thanks to some users here jogging my memory. Its incomplete but it will do. How well do you think I fared?

To Kill A Mockingbird
A Modest Proposal
Beowulf
A Separate Peace
Red Badge Of Courage
Romeo & Juliet
The Time Machine
Call Of The Wild
Around The World In 80 Days

>>20297106
You think men have a biological clock of sorts, too?

>>20297098
Could be. Women are trying to be built like Pixar moms after all

>>20297113
Well the quality of sperm and ability to get an erection can go down with age, but i fail to see what that has to do with anime audience changing.

>>20297125
Otaku get older -> otaku become baby crazy due to their genes telling them to become dads

Could this also be connected with the renaissance of dad simulator games such as TLOU1, Gestalt Nier, and Telltale's The Walking Dead? These are western games but gamers and otaku are not entirely unlike each other.

>>20297138
>dad simulator games
Also Bioshock Infinite.

>>20297153
And Gestalt Nier is obviously japanese, not western.

>>20297138
I don't know about other two, but Nier had a large female following (fujos really love handsome fathers), and otakus would be more familiar with brother version anyway.

>>20297186
>handsome fathers
Papa Nier is universally known for being unique because he's one of the handful of japanese protagonists who are ugly as hell. Replicant Nier is the JRPG prettyboy one, isn't he?

>>20297109
If by grade school you mean elementary school, thats a pretty impressive list for a kid no older than 10.

>>20296709
Update: no art hoes. A tranny did sit near me and (s)he kept glancing at me. I have decided to give up and go home to get drunk alone.

>>20297196
Yes, Replicant Nier is the original for Japanese audience, and Gestalt with papa was made because they figured western audience wouldn't like a twink.
Papa ain't that ugly though, just really manly.

please stop talking to me

>>20297208
Next time for sure anon.

Thank you.

>>20294705
>Just read BAP
>Got Twilight of Idols downloaded and gonna read it this week
>Also a faggot

How are you trying to improve?

>>20292710
Just want to work on getting set up as a freelance content writer.. I'm so slow but it's my main concern right now

>>20292710
Logical fallacies are just forms of morals used to debate people when actual "debate" or "conflict" in physical terms doesn't actually account for morals and is just a struggle for power. Food for thought

>>20297200
It was taught at the middle school level and up but I forget some people just luck out through nepotism like yourself

>>20295379
They didn't glorify WASPs, they were just really bougie

>>20295379
>Vampire Weekend, a bunch of Jews and Iranians
What? Based. World Peace is possible bros

>>20295362
The freemasons are much less tangible and much more shadowy than the mafia.

>>20295374
That's the thing, hating WASPs has been trendy for decades but literally everyone who makes fun of them (mostly jews and other poc) wishes they were actually them because no matter how much they mock them WASPs are still the iconic old elite class that people aspire to LARP as, just like european bourgeoisie making fun of aristocrats while constantly LARPing as them.

>>20297385
I read a handful of those through middle school and high school. Not sure what you mean by nepotism and luck given that I didnt mention my education level or employment I'm pretty fucked senpai

The fear of criticism.

Vanillafags are some of the most pitiable banal little souls ever
To kill a 10m giantess with an army and gangrape her corpse, now that's hot

Rio is so beautiful, yet so dangerous.

>>20297054
Not sure why but since about a month ago or so I've been craving thicc women more and more. Not like in the normie sense of "curvy" or a landwhale, that shit is still 2gross4me, but fucking thicc, women who look like they would give you twins without a hitch after a single ballsdeep nut. Also breeding, I know it has become a normie meme fetish but I find myself mentally craving just constantly letting loads go and go in one of those (or more, if I had my way) sort of women, just spraying their wombs like a broken garden hose. It can't even be a case of higher T because I've been slacking off on exercise and proper dieting for quite a while now. My mind is a constant kaleidoscope of visions of feminine flesh and an incessant desire to coom ATM.

>just watch less porn/consume less weird porn

I already don't watch 3DPD or hentai and don't care for weirdo zoomer fetishes.

so I learned through Karamazov that some think that the universe is actually a sphere because geometry refutations began that actually the 5th axiom from Euclid about parallel lines never meeting is false. Because the parallel lines will go outwards to the edge of the universe and come back. But why do the parallel lines touch when they come back? Is it because the geometry of a sphere that they produce an angle after going that far out? And also why does that axiom have to be false when not even a perfect circle exists in nature.

All the pain comes bubbling back up like spring and then a geyser. I feel like a kid stomping his feet and crying that it's not fair. I wish I could make it all go away or all be to some higher reason, but the face of my pain is just absurd and pointless. Time hasnt healed. Time has made it worse. I see time passing by and I know those miserable years are just a stain on my life. I have so much hatred for everyone who told me these were the best years of my life.

>>20298535
There's no reason the 5th axiom should be either correct or incorrect considered on its own. It's actually impossible to say. What is true is that there is no necessary reason a perfectly straight line (which thus never terminates) could not exist in our universe.

>>20292710
Why does being trans hurt so much. I don't want to live anymore

>>20298705
It’s a lie. It isn’t even a comfortable lie. Don’t do it. Stop lying to yourself.

Drrhrhr just be yourself. But really

is these such a thing as secretly enjoying the feeling of sabotaging yourself in life regularly and sinking lower and lower

>>20299024
self-domination lol

She told me that I should find someone better than her. I should probably listen even though I really don't want to. Bitch ruined herself before I could get to her.

>>20298535
>so I learned through Karamazov that some think that the universe is actually a sphere because geometry refutations began that actually the 5th axiom from Euclid about parallel lines never meeting is false
No Euclid was "right" because his postulate holds in "Euclidean" geometry. What you're talking about is called projective geometry (which funnily enough seems to have come from the study of perspective in drawing and painting), where parallel lines appear to intersect at a vanishing point at infinity. Projective geometry takes these vanishing points as if they are real, by adjoining 'points at infinity' to the Euclidean plane (where parallel lines don't ever cross) which enables parallel lines to intersect at these infinity points. This is useful for whatever complicated reason. But let me quote Roger Penrose, a nobel prize winning physicist,
>What, then is the observational status of the large-scale spatial geometry of the universe? It is only fair to say that we do not yet know, although there have been recent widely publicized claims that Euclid was right all along, and h is fifth postulate holds true also, so the averaged spatial geometry is indeed what we call 'Euclidean'. On the other hand, there is also evidence (some of it coming from the same experiments) that seems to point fairly firmly to a hyperbolic overall geometry for the spatial universe.
In hyperbolic geometry, Euclidean's 5th postulate is false. We don't yet know what the geometry of the universe actually is, Penrose thinks it's hyperbolic

>>20299213
what if when you get to the edge of the universe the very opposite edge from your location rotates really fast and makes you kind of just turn around and start traveling to that edge

>>20298535
Sorry I >>20299213 I take back what I said about this quote,
>the universe is actually a sphere because geometry refutations began that actually the 5th axiom from Euclid about parallel lines never meeting is false
I've never read Karamazov but I'm not sure what he's referring to here. I don't know if elliptic or hyperbolic geometry necessarily implies that the universe "is a sphere" but they do imply that Euclid's 5th postulate is false in the geometry of our universe

However keep in mind that Euclid was well aware about his assumptions. He tried to retroactively refute non-Euclidean geometries by trying to use Reductio ad absurdum to show that, if the 5th postulate is false, you get a variety of bizarre, barely believable theorems.

Here's another quote from Roger Penrose,
>A little after Saccheri, the highly insightful mathematician Johann Heinrich Lambert (1728-1777) also derived a host of fascinating geometrical results from the assumption that Euclid's fifth postulate is false, including the beautiful result mentioned that gives the area of a hyperbolic triangle in terms of the sum of its angles
Which is something you can't do in Euclidean geometry.

>>20299247
>the very opposite edge from your location rotates
that would allow for way, way faster-than-light communication. i don't know enough to refute you but i don't think geometries work that way, but you should read up on this for answers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe

>>20299265
>but they do imply that Euclid's 5th postulate is false in the geometry of our universe
No they don't, because our universe does not have a prefigured geometry. There is no necessary reason why two objects which set out in two different directions, always making sure to maintain course, will ever meet. If space is infinitely extended then Euclidean geometry is ipso facto valid, if space is not infinitely extended then non-Euclidean geometry will be ipso facto correct by elimination of the possibility of spatial terminus (because the lines cannot continue indefinitely, and especially because they cannot terminate "at the edge of space" which would be paradoxical, they must curve around on each other forming a non-Euclidean geometry). Can you answer whether or not space is infinitely extended deductively? If no, then you cannot state for certain what the geometric rules of our universe are.

>>20299265
it was actually an end note when one of the characters mentions the single word "infinity" and that to infinity the parallel lines will eventually meet and that it's refuting that last axiom, but all the others of euclid's were said to be true. i know it's not dosto's words here but just a history of what was going on in the geometry field
>>20299273
i'm just making it up. another way is to think of it as a hamster ball. on earth there is no physical way to float in the center of a sphere other than with a harness, so you are always in contact with the shell of the ball. maybe it's the way the universe is, technically we are floating in the middle of the hamster ball with no harness other than the gravity that keeps us to this rock. so maybe that there is an infinite amount of shells in the universe and if you move farther away from earth you get to bigger shells and the other side of the universe starts to spin around you

>get a haircut
>a fairly normal haircut (at least I think so)
>people give me looks all day long

I forgive you.

>tfw no cute gf to write with

>>20299024
Yes.

There needs to be a word for the kind of altruism people engage in when they love someone but purposely avoid being with them cause they know the person deserves better

>>20299188
>>20299400

How crazy would it be if these are the same people talking about eachother

>>20292710
i hate the devil
imm kill that nigga w my bare hands

>tfw no cute gf to play with her titties

fuck ive been on a bender for i dont even know how many days anymore. maybe its been weeks. months. years?
eventually you just blur it all and its just a big mystery

anyways i have to go get high now. i have to resume my weed studies.

>>20292710
give it all to God and let Jesus reimburse you

>>20299344
why does it happen and how do you get rid of it

>>20299522
Ideally, you could use introspection and come to the conclusion by yourself. If thats too hard then try therapy. Without knowing anything about you or your life, it does seem like a revenge towards world and some sort of guilt related phenomena where you feel like you deserve all the bad things.

>>20299522
Facing or thinking of a consequence that scares you enough to stop

>>20299286
>No they don't, because our universe does not have a prefigured geometry.
What you just said makes no sense. The universe does have a geometry, and geometries can be classified. If our universe were Euclidean then Euclid's 5th postulate would hold. If it were hyperbolic, then it wouldn't.
>There is no necessary reason why two objects which set out in two different directions, always making sure to maintain course, will ever meet.
I don't know what you're responding to here. I never said there was, and define "necessary reason".
>If space is infinitely extended then Euclidean geometry is ipso facto valid, if space is not infinitely extended then non-Euclidean geometry will be ipso facto correct by elimination of the possibility of spatial terminus (because the lines cannot continue indefinitely, and especially because they cannot terminate "at the edge of space" which would be paradoxical, they must curve around on each other forming a non-Euclidean geometry).
This is so false that the only proper response is "meds". No, infinite space does not imply Euclidean geometry, or vice versa. A basic (simply connected) hyperbolic (that is, non-Euclidean) geometry is infinite just like a Euclidean one. If you're going to be schizo then at least try to sound like less of a total twat

>>20299298
>it was actually an end note when one of the characters mentions the single word "infinity" and that to infinity the parallel lines will eventually meet and that it's refuting that last axiom, but all the others of euclid's were said to be true.
could you provide a quote? im curious now

Rate my poem:

i was twelve years old
And i saw my older brother hugging my father
And i didn't think anything of it
And i went to the park with my friend
And we played basketball all day
And i asked my father if he could sleep over

He told me it would have to be another night
Then he sat me down in a chair
Which was wooden or concrete or lava
i don't know, but it was uncomfortable

He told me that my cousin had been killed the night before
By police officers and that it wasn't his fault
He was simply born with the wrong colored skin
My mother told me i was lucky to not have the same
Problem as him, that i was lucky to be born the same color
As every police officer i'd ever seen

My father told me there would be justice
And things would be right in the world
But that never happened

At the funeral i cried
And they played a 2pac record
And i cried even more
Because i imagined the dance moves
i'd see if this was any other occasion

Instead of dancing
My cousin sage sat
A pile of ash
In front of the room

Unaware of what
His skin had done to anyone

>>20299570
That's not a poem as much as it's a text message with arbitrary newlines inserted. Have you ever read poetry?

>>20299570
Sorry about your cousin.
Life isn’t that good anyway if it’s any consolation

Feeling nostalgic about things I've never had.

I want to scream.
I’m failing at everything. My new job is shit to the point I wanna quit after my first week. I’m sick and my stomach hurts since thursday night. My girlfriend is celebrating the birthday of a friend of hers at a club right now doing God knows what. She invited me, but when I neglected due to tiredness and other reasons she just said it was alright but that she was going anyway. And here I am, wide awake in the middle of the night, feeling sick, hurt and tired, wishing I could just scream and scream until my throat starts hurting.
God help me.

>>20299545
Pg 296 "meet somewhere at infinity" - The Russian mathematician Nikolai Lobachevsky (1793-1856) was the founder of non-Euclidean geometry. Lobachevskian geometry accepts all of Euclid's axioms, except the fifth, which deals with parallel lines. At its simplest, parallel lines in Euclid never meet, but, from the time he first formulated his postulates in the fourth century BC, the best mathematical brains have tried, for over 2,000 years, to supply the requisite analytical proof: from Ptolemy (second century AD) to Proclus (fifth century AD), from IBN-al-Khaitam of Iraq (end of tenth, beginning of eleventh century), and Giovanni Saccheri (1733)-- the latter attempting to prove Euclid's fifth axiom by disproving its converse-- to the German mathematician J.H. Lambert (c.1766 published 1786). We read the following in the Encyclopedia Britannica: 'Georg Simon Klugel listed nearly 30 attempts to prove axiom 5 and concluded that the alleged proofs were all unsound. Fifty years later and a new generation of geometers, still working on the same problem, were becoming more and more frustrated. One of them, a Hungarian named Farkas Bolyai, wrote in a letter to his son Janos: "I entreat you, leave the science of parallels alone . . . I have travelled past all reefs of this infernal Dead Sea and have always come back with a broken mast and torn sail." The son, refusing to heed this warning, continued to think about parallels until, in 1823, he saw the whole truth and declared, in his youthful enthusiasm, "I have created a new universe from nothing." ' Bolyai Junior published (1832) his observation in a 24-page appendix to his father's textbook. But the honour of publishing the first book of non-Euclidean geometry, and pioneering its study, goes to Lobachevsky (1829-30); it would be fair to say that he did to Euclidean geometry what Einstein did to Newtonian physics. So important was the breakthrough in the field of geometry that it led the American mathematician George Bruce Halsted, who was unfamiliar with Lobachevsky's work at the time, to hail Bolyai's publication as the 'most extraordinary two dozen pages in the whole history of thought'. Lobachevsky, in spite of a general indifference to his ideas in the West, maintained a steady stream of publications in Russian as well as in French and Germain. In 1837 his Geometrie imaginaire ('Imaginary Geometry") was published, and it was not until much later that his work appeared in English, under the title Geometrical researched on the theory of Parallels (1891; 2nd edn., 1914), translated from the German by Halsted. This study of Lobachevskian geometry was further extended by Bernhard Riemann, amongst others (1826-66), who concluded that the non Euclidean approach to the principle of parallelism must imply ultimate curvature of space, or, to put it graphically, an astronomer looking out into space through an infinitely powerful telescope would see the back of his head.

>>20299629
What so bad about the new job?

If a word is worth one shekel,
Silence is worth two
If a girl has one orbiter,
The dick makes it two

Accidentally revealed that I am a chronically depressed loser in a conversation about literature. I will be sticking to internet imageboard communication in the future.

>Even today, I would go halfway round the world to find a book if I thought it essential to my needs, and I have a feeling of absolute veneration for those few authors who have given me something special. For this reason, I can never understand the tepid youth of today who wait for books to be given to them and who neither search nor admire. I would go without eating in order to get a book, and I have never liked borrowing books, because I have always wanted them to be absolutely mine so that I could live with them for hours on end.

>As with men, it has always seemed to me that books have their own peculiar destinies. They go towards the people who are waiting for them and reach them at the right moment. They are made of living material and continue to cast light through the darkness long after the death of their authors.

Miguel Serrano, C.G. Jung and Hermann Hesse: A Book of Two Friendships

>>20299636
The people, the pay and the way they treat me. Basically everything except for the work itself, which I wouldn’t mind if not for the previous factors and how my boss is clearly exploiting me a bit more every day.

>wake up in the middle of the night just to yearn for her for an hour and a half
>can't ever get a full nights sleep anymore
get on my level niggas
no idea if we're gonna make it bros. her and me or whatever kind of sad sap it is that gets this life. I can't tell if I should feel honored or mortified.

>>20299644
There's no shame in being a loser to the game society has set up, anon. The shame is that people are made to believe there is. None of us alive, except maybe a very small number of people, have chosen the world we live in. Some choose it ex post facto, but none of us had any agency as to the world into which we were born. A question, though: if a society or culture calls you a loser, why agree with them? Some of us are born in circumstances such that we are predisposed to failure within the system. That's just the way it works. Why should the people born into success be permitted to reject you while you're forbidden to reject them?

It's a harder path to allow yourself to be different. We weirdos and esoterics don't receive the same kind of reinforcement as do the people who just want to work within the system. Find it in yourself, anon. Work at it. You're not a loser.

>>20292710
test

>>20299024
The Imp of the Perverse. Poe wrote a short tale about it, it's very good

>>20299666
>digits
cant you say something to them?

Do you define yourselves as winners or losers and take it to the heart? Fascinating desu

>>20299670
>get on my level niggas
>>20299629 here, I’m as sleepless as you. At least you don’t have to wonder if uou’re being cucked right at this moment.
I do hope you make it, anon
>>20299688
>ask God for help
>satan gives me digits
>jfmsu
Anyway, going by what happened today, they would apologize but keep acting the exact same way. I’ll probably quit right after getting paid.

>>20299691
I set some goals and at the same time compare myself to others. If I fail at both then I'm a loser by default.

One of the reasons I struggle with finding a girlfriend is because most girls are just really dumb and boring. I know it sounds like a deflection to blame women for my problems, but it’s the truth. I have never met a woman in my life who is genuinely intelligent and well-read beyond normie politics and YA fiction.

>>20299695
>At least you don’t have to wonder if uou’re being cucked right at this moment.
this truly is a rough one. I've been in your shoes. I don't know how we got here as a species. Almost certainly you are not being cucked though, she wouldn't be this comfortable around you and just sling dicks in her, so you know. It is possible she enjoys the attention, and it's... if's fucking horrifying. God damn did I ever hate being in your shoes. But if you have any taste in women at all (over time it turned out that I did, but that we were victims of a mad world- I could always trust her, but I hate all of it all the same) then she's your gal.

>>20299711
Don’t blame women, blame men who interact with women they don’t actually like just to get their dicks wet creating a pervasive phenomenon where women don’t actually get accurate feedback about their behavior

>>20299711
That’s how it is, 95% of women are conformist midwits. Their interests and personalities are no different from outfits and makeup, just social costumes. Once you get to know them, they want the same life as the other women, just better. Unless you’re dedicated to normie rat race for status and money, I’d recommend adapting to life without females.

>>20299711
male friends are for quality interaction.
females are for fucking.

>>20299721
Fucking hell, this. The reason women are so guarded in general is because there actually do exist men who are massive creeps. There exist charismatic men (strong overlap with the archetype of the chad) who will woo women and seduce them and then completely disappear. What you don't hear often, because it's pretty deeply embarrassing to a woman, is that often men will work at it for a long time. They will put forth the image that they're looking for a relationship, and when they get laid, poof, they're gone. If women are shitty in general, it's because a subset of men are shitty to them. We ALL pay the price for the playboy conmen who insert themselves at the top of the social totem pole... and we revere them for it. It's the definition of myopia.

>>20299723
95% of men are conformists too.

>>20299734
Because they’re subservient to female validation.

>>20299721
This contributes to the collapse of gender relations a lot more than people think.

>>20299723
I’ve been considering this lately but it’s still hard for me to accept that I’m never gonna have the ideal relationship I’ve always wanted. I’m never gonna meet a sweet girl who likes to read and write and talk about interesting things with me while we drink tea or cuddle at night. Inevitably I’m gonna be stuck with a girl who just talks about the latest TikTok trends or asks me what my zodiac sign is and bases her personality off of her favorite Euphoria character. There’s almost no other option today.

>>20299719
Thanks. It might be fucked up, but I relate more to anons on these kind of threads than to most people I know. Maybe it’s because you’ll always find someone around here who has felt whatever you are feeling right now. Anyway, I’m glad you’re not in my shoes anymore.
>>20299727
>>20299721
The duality of man™

>>20299744
So all men in committed relationships are independent thinkers and individualists, then? How does this idea that all conformist men are subservient to "female validation" interact with the man's dominance in a heterosexual relationship?

>>20299733
>>20299747
>don’t blame the vast majority women
>blame the tiny minority of men
If women can’t be trusted with their judgement and have no accountability, I don’t see why should they have equal rights.

>>20299767
this argument really is hard to avoid. I thought about this in the shower this morning. I talked to a feminist a long time ago who argued that women were oppressed because nurses don't earn much. I told her "why the fuck do you all become nurses then?" and she said the usual "because we were given dolls as children". Well if that's the degree of individuality we're dealing with, then you're less than dogs, no? Where exactly is your responsibility supposed to begin, then, if you are not responsible for what careers you choose?

>>20299764
It’s rare to see a man who dominates his woman nowadays, most household and family decisions are made by women.

>>20299767
So the guys who go around seducing women and turning an entire generation of them into paranoiacs should just have... what, more power to do so? How does that make sense?

>>20299780
>So the guys who go around seducing women and turning an entire generation of them into paranoiacs
do you even hear yourself?

just become muslims would you. the only thing this amounts to is everyone blaming everyone else while the ship burns as it sinks. just root yourelf in something real.

>>20299780
You’re just proving my point.

>>20299779
Yeah, I fucking knew it. So the 95% of conformist men are the ones who don't "dominate their women." The truly independent 5% of men who dominate their women (what, physically? emotionally? what, exactly, is the mechanism of dominance?) who are nonconformists. The greatest irony is that the 5% figure you're citing actually lines up pretty fucking neatly with the amount of men who are involved in domestic violence.

Don't conform; beat your wife!

>>20299793
Women get fooled once by a guy who deceives her. She starts assuming men are untrustworthy until proven otherwise. It's a valid and viable defensive mechanism. The problem is that the mechanism is valid and viable, not that she has it. If you were to get fooled and taken advantage of that way, what would you do?
>>20299784
Picrel.

>>20299702
Is it about women?

there is no good nor harm that can come by you but that it is the will of God. And God is ever gracious, lenient, mild, and God favors that which is gentle, that which is beautiful. All praise belongs to Him.

>>20299808
I know a guy from Egypt who would disagree with this

>>20299806
It somewhat involves women but (given that I'm a wizard) that doesnt matter THAT much. Atleast not anymore.

>>20299814
that's a real shame.

>>20299799
>>20299805
If women are gullible enough to fall for conmen (almost all of them are) then the average guy shouldn’t be gullible enough to deal with histrionic leftovers and submit to their whims. I’m not suggesting any sort of social reform, just providing advice to regular /lit/ guys who don’t pump and dump. Present-day woman is a mess of sexual/emotional baggage with 100% entitlement and 0% accountability, as illustrated perfectly by your post. If you don’t play the game designed to accomodate hypergamous and promiscuous women, just learn to stay away.

>>20299833
It's impressive how you manage to acknowledge that men are in fact providing the basic impetus for women's behavior—the impetus without which their behavior would be different—and still manage to make it entirely their fault.
>>20299833
>100% entitlement and 0% accountability, as illustrated perfectly by your post
>as illustrated perfectly by your post
Yeah? How, exactly? In what way am I, a 36 year old married male, acting 100% entitled? In what way am I taking 0% accountability? Since you evidently have problems with reading comprehension, let me just clarify that I am proposing we DO take accountability. If we want women to be less guarded and shitty, it behooves us to start shaming and shitting on the men who are acting shamefully. Deception is not in the value system of a high value man. We need to hold them accountable if we want to bitch about women's accountability too.

>>20299849
You claim to be a man, but those arguments are no different from histrionic slut apologia, so the gender is irrelevant. You choose to blame the cynical minority, I refuse to suffer the consequences caused by stupid majority.

>>20299861
>I refuse to suffer the consequences caused by stupid majority.
You need to take accountability for yourself, my man. I'm detecting precisely 0% accountability from you right now. If women are beholden to the actions of all women, then men are beholden as well to the actions of all men. You're not taking any accountability at all.
>>20299861
>100% entitlement and 0% accountability, as illustrated perfectly by your post
You dodged the question, by the way. In what way do I "illustrate perfectly" (your words) the dynamic by which people are 100% entitled (to what, by the way?) and take 0% accountability? How does your mindset differentiate itself from these dynamics?

I forgor I bought the itch.io Ukraine bundle

>>20299861
Consider the possibility that there are actually tons of high value women out there who aren't promiscuous and have good values. Consider the possibility that because of the attitudes you take, you will never know it because your ideology is absolutely toxic to genuinely decent people. None of them would want to be around you. I wouldn't want to be around you, even as a dude. In this way, the idea that all women are sluts and whores will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It will directly cause you never to have evidence to disprove it. It precludes it completely. You've locked yourself into a tiny little box and you're pushing the key further and further out of reach every day.

The vast majority of PEOPLE are low value. Not just women; men too. To those few, exceptional people, the idea that they don't exist is an immediately falsifiable proposition. If you can see yourself as being a high value person, you stop assuming everyone else is too. If you know yourself and the ways in which you are exceptional, you become your own proof that it's not a matter of if you meet someone who's your equal, but when you will meet them.

In this genuinely ironic way, it's the hallmark of the low quality person who refuse to allow for nuance. It's the mark of the average and of the actual 95% to see 100% of people in terms of black and white. If you know that you are yourself a marginal person, you know that other people exist on the margins as well.

You need to work on yourself, fren, before you get so sick of everything that you shoot up a school.

>>20299870
You’re denying any sort of female agenda, any accountability for their whorish choices. The cultural status quo you seem to be defending is that women are free to exploit their youthful bodies and get attention of men far above their level, then complain about the same men not commiting and take revenge on regular men (who weren’t involved at all). Womanizers have always been present, but women used to be shamed for casual sex. Now they’re free to do as they please but somehow become victims at the same time? Neither of us can change this gynocentric state of matters, but just like women are free to fuck and suck (then expect sympathy), men are free to ignore mentally damaged leftovers. That’s the course of action I suggest.

>>20299537
only works temporarily
>>20299535
normally when i introspect i never think of the why only what cause the why seems obvious, some variation of a i'm just a fuckup

>>20299898
I’ve had enough experience to make generalizations, especially about women who are extremely conformist by nature. If her friends are whoring around, she’ll do the same. Good luck looking for those 5%.

>>20299899
>cultural status quo you seem to be defending
If I "seem" to be making points I'm not explicitly stating, it's because you're reading into things I'm not saying. Since pretty much everything you've written is in response to things I didn't say en route points I didn't make, I'm going to decline to address your post directly. If you'd like, feel free to go back to what I've read and respond to the things I've actually written under the assumption that I'm discussing in good faith. I don't want to allow myself to get pulled into a discussion on the same talking points that get discussed ad nauseam all day long.

>>20299904
So you’re denying any sort of accountability for the points you’ve made, just like women deny any responsibility for their actions. Interesting, but hardly surprising.

>>20299900
>seems obvious, some variation of a i'm just a fuckup
then you have to challenge these views

cats traditionally have free access to mosques.

>>20299914
Okay, first off, you are the one who introduced the idea of accountability. I tried to direct you to the idea that perhaps womanizing men should be held accountable. It seems to be an axiomatic belief of yours that womanizing men who deceive women into sex are being held sufficiently accountable for their actions, and are not acting entitled to them, while women are acting 100% entitled (to something you've never specified) and take 0% accountability for having been deceived. I really don't understand. To boot, and even more puzzling, I suggested (pretty gently) that the things you think I've said aren't actually things I've said or positions I will defend and... you want me to "take accountability" for, what? Your misunderstanding? The positions I don't hold, never mentioned, and refused to engage with you on?

Can someone chime in here? Is this a ±2 standard deviations kind of interaction? I'm stumped.

Weight lifters used to be carnival freaks.

>>20293906
It problably leans more towards a deep disgust

so many westerners believe there is not nor has there ever been any beauty in the world, so they can just as well be ugly too. But there is. There has been and there can be.

i saw a porno scene yesterday that was so well done and hot i had to consider getting a subscription to their pay site, but it seems like these porn companies make one or two good scenes but the rest are completely uninspired. why is it so hard to consistently make great porn? i've been search for a kind of business i can succeed at, i'm suddenly thinking about starting a porn production outfit just to make the kind of porn i want to see. the problem is no one pays for any porn other than onlyfans today, so even if you made sublime porn on a consistent basis, it would still be a struggle to succeed since i'm sure the production costs are sky high compared to low effort onlyfans.

>>20299940
>production costs are sky high
This is true of most businesses, really. It sounds like you have a passion for good porno. Pretty much all business takes risk. At its core, you put up an initial investment, with which you operate at a loss, until you hopefully turn a profit. The point is that if you want to do it, you have to accept the risk. In another way of looking at it, OnlyFans could be a boon in that it's a fully-supported transaction system to which you can post your videos. Maybe eventually you'd want to take control of that side as well, but I don't see anything wrong with using it to kickstart your business.

If it really want to try it, you're gonna have to pony up the initial investment. Put it aside as a loss from the very start, and from there do your best to break even. Maybe you'll succeed.

have you dudes ever actually read maslow's original paper with the "hierarchy of needs"? it's interesting how he admits there isn't a clear place to put sex, but beyond that, there is a brutal black pill when he talks about how people who grew up with comfort and privilege early in life will always be likely to live at the self-actualization stage since they have no experience of the lower levels, they proceed more confidently towards actualization. people who have lived too long at low levels especially in their formative years will always be stunted and may get stuck well below actualization, and when you think how all the great artists and entrepreneurs are from bourgeois or privilege backgrounds. you might like to believe coming from poverty would make a businesses man more ruthless to "never go back" but really going back to poverty will always haunt him and make him more timid and reserved while someone who was always wealthy will proceed without any fear of want or failure. steve jobs is literally the only tech guy who wasn't already upper bourgeois, he's the so-called exception that proves the rule, we could do the same for art with andy warhol, but i've already written too much.

>>20299929
>Treat women kindly. The woman has been created from a rib (the rib is crooked), and the most crooked part of the rib is in the upper region. If you try to make it straight, you will break it; and if you leave it as it is, it will remain curved. So treat women kindly.

the point of this narration is that there simply is a gap. a man should not try to force a woman to his way of seeing things because, quite simply, she doesn't, and the only thing that happens is harm (this isn't understood physically as much as spiritually, that our natures should be allowed to be what they are). I assume it goes both ways (it's a matter of relativity, after all). I'm with the guy you're arguing with, I really think you're completely in the wrong, and you seem to think the same of us, and.. it's just possible we're different. The values we see in all of this and the values you see are different.

Another narration of similar value
>the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The woman was created from a (crooked) rib, and she will never continue to be as you desire her to be (i.e. always obedient). If you enjoy her, you will do so while she still has that crookedness. If you try to straighten it, you will break her, and breaking her means divorcing her.” (I don't know the historicity of this narration but I believe it exists. The narration above can be assumed to be real.)

it is not normally understood that Eve was created from a rib btw, this is just a simile.

>>20299935
And really what is the difference
Those who you are most deeply disgusted by you will eventually come to fear not even necessarily because you fear for your own safety but because of what they represent, because they allow you to witness first hand the deep well of darkness that exists in the human spirit...

>>20299952
good childhood always have a tremendous impact on person.

I am officially a neet again, probably not for long but let's enjoy these moments of freedom
I'm so happy, you can't believe it

>>20299970
i feel u bro, these woke diversity and inclusion guys that took over the place i work just removed my sociopath boss, i can't believe they actually delivered on a more inclusive and equitable workplace. i was absolutely not expecting that.

>>20299953
I really hate this shit. No matter how nuanced and thoughtful you lay out your argument, no matter how hard you attempt to find the truth of a certain situation, someone can always breeze by with a Bible or Quran quote and quite happily point to their little book to say: "Why yes, I do see you have made an argument; but have you read this book? I believe it is true." That's all it ever boils down to, in the end. It's just faith, without rationale or justification. Just plain, old faith and belief. You just BELIEVE that it's entirely the fault of women who fall for womanizing men. You don't, of course, afford the same logic to loans. Usury—the masculine, economic version of womanizing—is strictly forbidden. It is the fault of the predatory lender that a borrower is taken advantage of, that he is taken in by the lust for quick gain and for a quick infusion of capital such that he delays thoughts for what will happen next. When the usurer swaddles him in sweet nothings with the intent of taking everything valuable from him, under the laws of faith is the borrower protected. This logic, for no particular reason at all, is not afforded the woman who falls prey—by the feminine version of THE EXACT SAME MECHANISM—to the pleasure-sharking womanizer. It is strictly her fault for falling, perhaps, in love with the womanizer who only wants momentary carnal pleasure.

Why?

>>20300015
you really should take a walk.

>>20300015
>This logic, for no particular reason at all, is not afforded the woman who falls prey—by the feminine version of THE EXACT SAME MECHANISM—to the pleasure-sharking womanizer.
this is actually the exact reason why most agree a male guardian needs to approve a womans marriage.

>>20300050
and for all the men reading this going THAT'S RIGHT, patting yourselves on the back: it's entirely plausible you'll have daughters one day.

>>20299970
been NEET for 5 months now, shit's literally the best

>>20299760
>drink tea or cuddle at night
Based and cutepilled. I want that too.

>>20299024
I self harm and despite the shame I do feel a satisfaction from both making myself worse and patching myself up. Its cyclical for me

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>>20300543
>>20300543

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