/lit/ - Literature

Denying life is the dionysian fruit of the pessimist

It’s getting harder to refute his line of thinking the older I get.

>>20269506
The truth hits everybody.

>>20269446
>In the evening a letter from Prof. Nietzsche, which pleases us, for his mood had given us cause for concern. Regarding this, R. says he fears that Schopenhauer's philosophy might in the long run be a bad influence on young people of this sort, because they apply his pessimism, which is a form of thinking, contemplation, to life itself, and derive from it an active form of hopelessness.

>>20269506
>Women are directly fitted for acting as the nurses and teachers of our early childhood by the fact that they are themselves childish, frivolous and short-sighted.

>>20270288
Nietzsche was the original concerned soccer mom.

I've been reading the wisdom of life and it seems like he knew a good way to live and was knowledgeable about it. First schop reading though.

>>20270571
That’s my favourite book of his, anon. He was a very wise man. I especially like how he talks about one’s internal life vs one’s external life, and how happiness comes from the self, materialism, and reputation, the latter of the two being less advisable sources of happiness as they are both external and reputation in particular is highly overvalued given it’s lack of intrinsic worth.

>>20269465
Nietzsche was forever asspained over Schopenhauer's accurate and realistic assessment of the human condition to the point of driving himself to insanity in a futile attempt to refute the blatantly correct observation that suffering is inherently bad

To deny life is the only sane and compassionate option for those who fully understand its treacherous terms

>>20269446
If he were in the 60's he'd be an acid freak. If he'd been in the UK in the 80/90's he'd be a raver.

>>20271016
No he'd be a high tory who frowns on modern youth culture.

You're thinking of Nietzsche's Dionysianism.

>>20269446
Copers incoming.

Is it possible to face pessimism head on and find real counter arguments? Or does everyone come back with cope?

What if we overcome physical pain through science? Emotional pain still remains?

>>20269446
>The only thing to do in these circumstances, he said, is turn our backs on the whole thing, refuse to be involved, having nothing whatever to do with it
Agreed

>>20271291
You wont have a fulfilling if you dont participate.

>>20271364
>reading
>writing
>lifting
>walking
>playing instruments
>meditating/tarot
>9 hours of sleep
Yes Anon, I'm sure that participating in the normoid rat race for money, status and w*men would make my life so much more fulfilling.

>>20269506
It's probably because you are growing more senile and stupid, which is why you enjoy the philosophical equivalent of an embittered old grandma.

>>20271000
>To deny life is the only sane and compassionate option for those who fully understand its treacherous terms
This petty moralism is the exact sort of garbage Nietzsche refuted and moved past.

>>20271389
>tarot
what do you do exactly?

>>20271428
Creative aid for short stories mostly, meditative introspection sometimes.

>>20271389
Anon's right, you come off as an effete fag to me.

>>20271402
>I'm not going to help you I'm just going to demoralize you, further validating your own preexisting beliefs about the human condition
Kill yourself. You're a sadist with a disgusting urge of demoralizing the already depressed. I hope everybody you harassed into depression gets /fit/, happy, and maims you to death.

>>20271440
>I'm le depressed
Didn't ask, don't care, seethe, dilate, ywnbaw.

Pessimism is a coping mechanism for the fact that some people live inherently better lives than others. "I'm suffering therefore so is everyone else". You take comfort that your life may suck but at least you have company, right? Knowing this is gut-wretching, it's what drives have-nots to massacre the haves.

>>20271449
> didn't ask, don't care, seethe, dilate, ywnbaw.

>>20271487
> Kowing this is gut-wretching, it's what drives have-nots to massacre the haves.

Based

>>20271595
You're the one writing some nonsense about demoralization, not me.

>>20271413
>Nietzsche
>refuting anything

>>20271364
Pic is what one of the heart throbs of America, Dinese Richards, looks like now. You can see it in their eyes, "I'm dying. My best years are behind me." Fulfilling life by participating in society my ass. Most people go insane before the end.

>>20271958
>The Will should be overcome because uh.......... it just should, okay?!

>>20270761
Yeah, I completely agree with his assessment that intellectual pursuit is of the highest worth. I've been reading a lot more literature and philosophy the last couple months and have felt great and centered. I remember the days where I really cared what others thought of me and my expectations, a lot of miserable depressing times. I use to have depressive bouts frequently but now I seriously can't remember the last time. I keep a very small circle and even them I don't expect much at all.

>>20272027
>should
Filtered. You are "free" to do as you please, but if you want to escape all suffering, denying the Will is the way.

>>20271413
Ah yes, the will to power. The backbone of today’s social justice movement and biggest asset of global capital. Nietzsche is integral to ‘progress’, while Schopenhauer looks for an organic view of world.

>>20271846
I hope picrel maims you to

>>20272728
DEATH

>>20269446
He was right but his brain was fucked up. If Nietzsche managed a season of raptured enlightenment and bliss before succumbing to madness, then high-IQ Schoppy should've managed to create a nirvana for himself. Being aware and awaken to life's innate suffering doesn't bound you to eternal pain. Transforming that to absurd ecstasy and dionysian/appolonian reunification in the greater energies of wisdom is the correct path of the one doted with sufficient intelligence. Schopenhauer COULD have enjoyed a life of eternal inner peace and contentment had he realized that, without even needing to refute or contradict his own work. He didn't. His neurochemistry was fucked, too bad for him. I agree with everything he has ever written and yet my life is a never ending streak of amazement and pure happiness. How could that be? Fuck your feelings Arthur