/lit/ - Literature

Kill them all, make the voices stop

>>20268497
self-help books are a scam, if you want self-help your students just buy them a gym membership.

>>20268543
surely you would agree that people need some sort of motivation to join the gym beyond "git gud". aren't there books that help with that sort of thing? or does /lit/ not read books anymore and just spends all day watching shonen anime?

>help them through trying times but also aren't indoctrinating them into sky-fairy theologies.
You realize that that would actually be the best thing for them? They need a community, not books. Doesn't even matter which theology it is, Christian Muslim Buddhist whatever, just somewhere they can go and get support and someone will sympathize with their problems is enough.

>>20268497
Proust and Tolstoy

>>20268578
religion is the worst thing you could possibly offer to adolescents. one should wait until they have the necessary intellectual capacities to rationally resist indoctrination before exposing them to such prejudiced filth.

>>20268497
What's the point of self books? Like, nigga, go outside and start doing things. The time you use reading this nonsense could be used actually doing something that makes you feel better, and no book will give you that answer you need find it by yourself.

>>20268581
Selections of Proust and Tolstoy would be good for sure

>>20268587
only on /lit/ will people advocate not reading.

illiterate imbeciles

>>20268587
self help books*
need to*

>>20268586
go back

>>20268614
how bout fuck you

>>20268586
As opposed to government schooling...? Right? And advertising? Put the fedora down and look around. Religious kids do better across the board than atheist kids. A big part of that is the religious kids have a support network. And so what if they do come to have faith in God? How's that going to hurt them?

>>20268562
No. Place a mirror and a gym brushure at the self help corner of your library.
Great Books are a consolation to cross the sea of life.

Self-help books are just a waste of time.
Anime (for a white young male) are the top tier of modern escapism.

>>20268637
Yeah as a former gay kid myself, religion is fucking traumatizing. I ain't inflicting that shit on my public school students

My mom loves Wayne Dyer

>>20268639
>Anime (for a white young male) are the top tier of modern escapism.
the absolute weebism of it all

>>20268657
interesting. will take a look

>>20268586
>religion is the worst thing you could possibly offer to adolescents.
This kind of thinking is precisely why the west is dying.

>>20268654
>as a faggot, I would rather my kids get groomed than read the Bible.

>>20268688
yeah I'm gay and religion is a big reason why LGBTQ people feel driven to suicide so fuck that noise. People can be religious if they want, but there's no reason I, a public school teacher, am obligated to offer religious instruction to my students in the name of "saving the West" or some bullshit like that.

>>20268693
ah, an archetypal Florida Man. Why don't you stay in your lane and I'll stay in mine.

If you think gay teachers are "grooming" kids you are just projecting your pedophilic tendencies onto others.

Get some professional fucking help, anon.

>>20268667
What I found sweet was that his last blog entry before he passed is still up, and the comments of that particular entry are filled with people saying how much he helped them.

Some other self help books I've known to be help to people close to me:
>The Courage To Be Disliked
>The Highly Sensitive Person
>The Body Keeps the Score (about how emotional and psychological trauma are internalized and become expressed throughout your life at the level of bodily reactions and preemptive anxiety responses etc., I know someone who swears by it for anyone with abusive parents)

I also like Benson's Relaxation Response stuff because it teaches you the value of meditation but that may be too far afield

>Public school groomer faggot want to brainwash kids with pop psychology and alienate them from their heritage

>>20268712
I ain't teaching this stuff to kids, merely stocking my school library with a wide selection they can read if they feel like it.

Reading comprehension, dumbass.

>>20268711
All very good stuff. I'll add it to my list for consideration

>>20268715
You've made it clear you want to limit what they are exposed to according to your sexual proclivities and hate religion. That's why nobody trusts you fags.

>>20268497
Qur'an

>>20268654
>>20268702
Have you considered that just how certain types of help are better for you, a sinner, there are certain types of help that are better for normal people?

Normal kids don't need someone to grope their butt and tell them it's normal to crossdress. They need a community who will listen to their problems and make them feel like they're part of a group that cares. Religion works. Self help books do not. I mean I'm sure you want us to tell you a book that will convert the kids to being gay so you can all have an orgy or whatever, but it simply doesn't work that way for normal people.

>>20268736
you DO realize I'd get MASSIVE amounts of parental complaints if I stocked the classroom with a standard Torah, Bible, and Quran?

The idea is to not be controversial. I ain't trying to lose my job.

>>20268711
Are you still in this thread? Is Highly Sensitive Person by Elaine N. Aron? If so, I definitely agree. There are a few books with that name

>>20268752
>Normal kids don't need someone to grope their butt and tell them it's normal to crossdress.

the projection in this thread is unreal. I don't know what sort of trauma your mommy put you through in homeschool, but we don't do that weird shit in public schools, anon.

>>20268753
>you DO realize I'd get MASSIVE amounts of parental complaints if I stocked the classroom with a standard Torah, Bible, and Quran?
I can't imagine a single place where, as long as you included a bible, you couldn't put any religious text you liked. At least in America. Wait, MAYBE in Salt Lake City, but that's it.

>>20268765
the liberal parents would complain about the bible, the conservative parents would complain about the quran, and the nazis would complain about the torah.

Everybody has a bone to pick, and they'd get so mad I'm sure I'd be fired for just having those books in my classroom and available to students.

>>20268760
>but we don't do that weird shit in public schools, anon.
Ahem.

>>20268777
Nobody complains about having a selection of religious texts available in the classroom. They complain about blatant favoritism (ie, quran but no bible) or about religious belief being taught in class directly (ie, british schoolkids being made to do the conversion ritual to islam and pray towards mecca).

If you weren't so up your own asshole, you'd know this. But that's probably too much to ask from an anal fetishist.

>>20268793
> members of the school's student council chose the transvestite theme

Teachers did not choose this, this was a student-led movement.

If students proposed this at my school, I'd veto it because it fetishizes transgender identity as a "costume."

Get more recent reports of teacher-led "tranny indoctrination" or GTFO, anon.

>>20268808
>If you weren't so up your own asshole, you'd know this. But that's probably too much to ask from an anal fetishist.
You're pretty funny, anon. Wrong, but funny.

Clearly you haven't been to some of the more politically extremist parts of the US. People will find reasons to complain about anything, and religious texts in the classroom is the equivalent of tossing lit sticks of dynamite into a fireworks store in my neck of the woods.

Unironically teach some introspection, whether Stoic or Buddhist. Buddhism isn't a religion as seen in the west but who cares.

>>20268824
Stoicism is very underrated. I'll look into some candidate texts.

>>20268815
Read to the end. Not a single student actually participated, ONLY a handful of teachers and staffers did. It was clearly suggested to the students by teachers and pushed by teachers and defended by teachers and participated in by teachers.

Anyway I think we're done here. We've told you there aren't any good self-help books, we told you where troubled kids can find a community to help them out, you've made it very clear that you find the idea of religion offensive because it tells you to stop sticking things in your ass, there's really nowhere to go from here.

>>20268823
Thank you, I really took a shine to Joel Carberry's style and I'm trying it out. Great author.

>Christians infest ANOTHER thread that clearly says it doesn't want religion

>>20268835
you are always welcome to leave the thread.

don't let the door hit you on the way out, it may offend your butthurt persona.

>>20268857
preach, brother

Most important one because most other issues are based on not understanding the principles explained in it.
I‘d also add
The pleasure trap, lisle/goldhamer
Why we sleep, walker
Sink into sleep, davidson
The healthiest diet on the planet, mcdougall
Fiber fuelled, bulsiewicz
Anything by Gerald hüther, although i‘m not sure his work is available in english
Anything by barbara sher, a bit older but she‘s got some strong ideas and entertaining delivery
See no stranger, kaur
Conscious loving, hendricks gay
Hunt. Gather. Parent., doucleff
Radical honesty, blanton

>>20268587
>The time you use reading this nonsense could be used actually doing something that makes you feel better
Most dopaminergically fried posters here wouldn't even know what would make them feel neutral. You're asking people that would rather obsess over theory to engage in practice and risk ridicule.
Your advice is good, technically, but no one here will follow it

>>20268497
>non-religious
You can't help yourself while being opposed to God. Atheism is self-sabotage

>>20268923
thank you, anon. good suggestions, all.

>>20268944
>atheism is self-sabotage

for the record, I am agnostic, not atheistic.

the reality of god is unknowable and spending a great deal of your limited time and energy worrying about the questionable existence of an omnipotent sky-fairy is an insult both to your mortal self and your potential creator, who gave you life for a reason--and that reason is not to worry over the creator's possible existence.

wake up, anon.

>>20268752
>They need a community who will listen to their problems and make them feel like they're part of a group that cares.
This doesn't need to be religion. In my youth, we had sports clubs for this. They were a strong network of other kids, their parents, people who would organise tournaments and get togethers on the weekends and be there if the kids needed someone to talk to.

>>20268793
>American article
Look, US doesn't even have schools. It has daycares that double as shooting ranges on occasion. At least the latter use of them is productive, since it stops the influx of more 'muricans.

>>20269002
Look, US doesn't even have schools. It has daycares that double as shooting ranges on occasion.

>>20268994
exactly. extracurricular clubs are great for this sort of thing

>>20268994
Sports clubs are now forcing kids to compete against trannies. There's no real non-religious foundation for a successful community.

>>20268974
>I don't believe in God, but I also for sure knows what he wants and approves of my attitudes
Typical narcissistic faggot.

>>20269019
separation of church and state led to the founding of the world's most powerful nation in history.

try harder, bigot.

>>20269030
You haven't thought very much about this topic, have you?

>>20268857
>faggot throws tantrum and then acts indignant when he gets push back.

>>20268497
>help me assign homework I probably wont read to someone who absolutely wont read
Yeah hope you get cucked to the max OP

>>20269032
America was shielded from the consequences of it's gay masonic ideology because so much of it's population was religious. Now that secularization has become the norm, America is in rapid decline.

>>20269045
you know what we call that sort of sarcastic quoting in the queer community? "reading." You are reading this faggot like the faggot you are.

Congratulations, you've been indoctrinated.

>>20269042
More than you have, clearly.

>>20269052
this isn't going to be homework you dunce. just a resource for them to consult if they feel like "borrowing" it from the class library.

>>20269063
> gay masonic ideology

holy shit sign me the fuck up for this fictitious school of thought

>>20269032
>separation of church and state
Ah, yes, which article of the constitution was that again?

>>20269069
go back to twatter. your GPT3-generated crap is more likely to work there than here

>>20269078
establishment clause you dipshit.

>>20269075
>fictitious
Have you missed the last seven decades of globohomo?

>>20269090
I feel my IQ dropping by just reading this tripe.

>>20269084
You think your self-serving agnosticism and faggotry makes you anything less than an NPC?

>>20269096
No, that's from the syphilis you sodomite fuck.

>>20269098
People who unironically use the term "NPC" to refer to others are now officially a category in the DSMV. congrats, you're a retard!

>>20269103
"syphilis" lmao. you think us gays don't have excellent health care in the year 2022?

>>20269089
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Oof, not seeing "separation of church and state" in there.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-i/interps/264

>>20268497
>sky-fairy

>>20268654
>being told not to lie, steal, kill, fornicate, etc is traumatizing

>>20268944
It's funny how they post stuff like that, then cry when they get replies about getting replies to what they post.

>>20269032
State religion is atheistic naturalism/uniformitarianism

>>20269122
fortunately, you are not a supreme court justice, so what you "see" or don't is blessedly irrelevant.

https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/first-amendment-and-religion

>>20269124
you know, people can be prosocial and non-religious.

>>20269116
https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
>Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been rising among gay and bisexual men, with increases in syphilis being seen across the country. In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men often get other STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections. HPV (Human papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States, is also a concern for gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men. Some types of HPV can cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancers. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to get anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who do not have HIV to get anal cancer.
Nobody thinks gays get inadequate healthcare. They just behave in ways that spread disease.

>>20269136
so by that logic anyone who has excessive amounts of sex "behaves in ways that spreads disease"?

sounds like the screed of a virgin who hates all the Chads for getting the Staceys.

just go to the gym, anon. you'll feel better than sitting at home and being a homophobic bigot.

>>20269135
you know, water is wet

>>20269129
Did you even read the short article you posted? You may think that church and religion (or religious beliefs) are synonymous, but they aren't. Irreligiosity didn't make America great, it was the Atlantic ocean and the Mississippi river basin. Read Zeihan.

>>20269146
clearly you don't see how my post defeats your strawman argument that "being told not to steal" was what I was calling "traumatizing."

read a fucking book and work on your rhetoric, anon.

>>20269158
I did, and fully understood it.

If you think the Quaker-inspired tolerance of a wide swath of religious practices didn't lead to America becoming the great country that it is, it sounds like you need to read something other than "Zeihan."

>>20268562
you think anyone who lacks motivation is gonna sit down and be focused for a few hours on a book? You need something more primal and instant that sparks emotion to drive to take action, looking in the mirror and being disgusted at your form creating the desire to go the gym is a good example.

>>20269071
You're delusional in your rigid interpretation of flexibly figurative language. You are rebranding your off label homework assignment.

>>20269175
"optional" reading is not mandatory homework. I'm afraid I can't make it any clearer, anon. go back to first grade.

>>20269167
not everyone is motivated by disgust.

Read The Last Psychiatrist, best self-help you can find

>>20269144
You know full well what spreads disease is the anal sex and extreme promiscuity which is vanishingly rare in heterosexuals but extremely common in homosexuals.

It's not too late to come back to Jesus, anon. His forgiveness is absolute.

>>20269198
ty

>>20269199
there is a special place in hell for bigots like you.

>>20269233
You claim you don't even believe in hell, but you'll bring it up to attempt to manipulate me.

It's okay to return to Jesus. Just pray on it. His forgiveness is absolute and you can be happy. Not just pleasured, happy.

>>20269246
hell is a figure of speech.

I am perfectly happy being a FLAMING GAY, mind you.

You believe whatever you want, and I'll keep shaking my bussy in the club.

Peace, y'all.

>>20268994
>In my youth
the world of your youth no longer exists, and hasn't existed for a while now.

>>20268974
>the truth is unknowable
>what is the Bible

>>20269428
Doesn't matter. Sports clubs aren't less valid than religious groups in that regard. With the exception that young boys get more often molested in religious groups than in sports clubs.
How can you christ larpers always ignore the high amount of sexual abuse in religious institutions? There's almost no year without it making the news ONCE AGAIN.

>>20268497

>The power of NIGGER
>The secret is to say NIGGER
>It's all about THE JEWS

>>20269510
Sports clubs will provide humanity with meaning bros!!!!

>>20269510
It is a serious problem and the Catholic Church's continued cover ups are why I stopped tithing. I fully support the immediate excommunication of all homosexuals, and in fact I support secular government investigations of all accusations of child molestation regardless of what organization it is.

Now, that said, keep in mind that the reason you see these in the media is because the media is literally brainwashing propaganda and they have a policy of amplifying any news that makes religion look bad. You'll note that every accusation of molestation aimed at priests is amplified and accusations of molestation aimed at school teachers and democrat politicians are generally swept under the rug, unless the evidence is so damning it can't be done.

>>20268497
I've tried a bunch of self help books. Only 2 of them had anything new in them. All others were a waste of time.
>pic related
Unscientific self help books are even worse than religious ones.

>>20268497
The Quran. Just convert to Islam already you americunts. you're being cucked to the max

>>20268497
The Power of (((Yes)))
The Secret Is (((Work More)))
It's All About (((Them)))

>>20269510
>faggots accusing anyone of sexual abuse
That's rich.
The pedo priest meme is just jewish misdirection based on false accusations circulated without proof to distract from all the pedophilia among jews and homosexuals.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/06/14/spotlight-on-double-standards-at-the-boston-globe/
>>20269737
>It is a serious problem and the Catholic Church's continued cover ups are why I stopped tithing
Then you're an impressionable retard. The so-called "cover-up" is just jewish slander.

>>20269933
It's not slander, read Milo Y's Diabolical. Francis the pretender needs to be thrown out.

Prometheus Rising

>>20268702
>I'm gay
>I, a public school teacher
DeSantis did nothing wrong.

>>20268974
>the reality of god is unknowable
>omnipotent sky-fairy
You sound pretty certain.

>>20268497
>self-help books for my high school students
>indoctrinating them into sky-fairy theologies
Beyond disgusting - this is something worse than the wretchedness of ambiguity towards God where you somehow still have the self-confident swagger of a corpse made alive by the technicality of worms feasting on your leftover soul and then you have the unbelievable void of thought blooming up from your necropolis of mercilessness and uselessness that there is now something in this world that can help. Help what? Help get grades gooder? Get into college? Be happy? There is no help without God. Without God we are just a hurtling mass of moss grown by radiation into a gelatin of consciousness which has learned language by some accident of temporarility which then looks out onto the void through the mortal ensconcement of culture and shudders, "What a wild ride! I'm so fulfilled with returning to nothingness." Please. If you are fulfilled and motivated by a brief sojourn of insanity through two infinite nothingnesses then you need help.

>>20268562
People shouldn't be motivated by anything if they think the Earth will be extinguished in a heat death.

>>20268497
Sartre, "Man's Search For Meaning", also >>20270100

Long answer: there are gems out there but the term "self-help" has been tainted by modern society into bad things. "Religious" could mean "spiritual", and spiritual is not bad and dogmatic. But the religious, even with dogmas, had a purpose across human history, but to "get it" you have to see the whole picture.

Try to be open and you'll find.

>>20270065
Milo is a grifter.

>>20268702
>one should wait until they have the necessary intellectual capacities to rationally resist indoctrination
>is gay
Lmao.

>>20268702
You can look into the progressive veins which exist in each religious tradition to see LGBT-affirming interpretations, if you want.
Not every religion is as fucked as American Protestants.

>>20268857
OP was clearly asking for it.
t. non-Christian

>>20268702
>LGBTQ people feel driven to suicide
They kill themselves because they're mentally ill.

>>20268639
you sound so sad

>>20268688
very intresting, anon. Family is key

>>20270495
American Protestantism was fine as recently as 2007, until the cancer in groups like the Episcopals become to metastasize in the last decade.

>>20268702
Why does it seem like the more obviously retarded a bait post is the more replies it gets? Have I been wasting my time making subtle shitposts while posts like these obliterate threads with zero effort?

>>20270505
It could have easily been Guenonfags or Buddhists or the like. The fact everyone immediately latched onto Christianity being attacked is telling of the character of these people THOUGH and why OP is not wrong for not wanting them in his thread.

>>20270801
Sometimes, as anyone.

>>20268587
>What's the point in studying for exams? Just take the test like damn, you think reading a textbook will prepare you for getting a good grade?

>>20268586
>religion is the worst thing you could possibly offer
Scientists disagree with you.

>>20269144
>anyone who has excessive amounts of sex "behaves in ways that spreads disease"?
Only with many different partners. Try falling in love sometime.

>>20271885
the textbook is part of the same racket as the exam, where the same or closely related institutions are both creating a problem (exam) and offering a solution (textbook). that's why textbooks "work," in their limited sense.

the self-help author, similarly, has no solutions to offer other than to problems he himself "creates," and his book will typically be designed to provoke anxiety that can be calmed by its purchase (eg "the secrets of x" - "oh my god, am i doing x wrong? do i know the secrets or not?"). a self-help book purchase solves the problem of not having enough self-help books, created by seeing a shelf of self-help books at the store. real problems remain unsolved - they lay outside the domain of the racket.

>>20272206
brainlet and contrarian king... I kneel

>>20272206
based beyond belief