/lit/ - Literature

>>20255785
>female writer
I'm afraid thats a no no

Is it better than manufacturing consent?

>>20255796
go back

>>20255785
>It's another episode of super smart twitter user opening your eyes about how society sucks and cApiTaLism is bad
Yeah I'll pass

>>20255805
It's THE book to read regarding digital technologies and how they're used to spy and record your daily life.

>>20255814
>twitter
Nothing to do with it, but even if someone found her on Twitter thanks to some popular eceleb, if the books is good and offers valuable insight, what does it actually matter in the end?

>>20255819
Just head back to your social media circles, please.

>>20255823
So you're not here to comment the book, but are here to force your idea of how me, the OP, found out about her? Lol, how pathetic.

>>20255785
i'm sorry but it's only the atheists who are obsessed with power and society, after they killed the jewish god and needed a new fetish to finish building their new religion, I mean ideology.

>>20255824
No anon, is just that if you spent more than 5 minutes in this board you'd notice that this type of book shows up all the time and at some point not only does it get tiresome but just straight up pedantic to have some pseudo-intellectual tell you "this is my boom where I tell you all the things you are too stupid to open your eyes and understand".

Besides, any author with a tiny bit of merit wouldn't pin all the problems of the world in a single ideology that (crazy I know) has mostly worked out well for a lot of people as opposed to the alternative.

In short, please, do go back to your subreddit or twitter threads.

/lit/ being part of 4chan commits some of the same sins as the rest of the community: unapologetic hatred and disregard for minorities, rejection of anything marginally critical of the statu quo and the capitalist system, rampant antisemitism, a superior attitude against anything they dont already consider good and acceptable while at the same time an aknowledgement of being the on the margins of society, both on the physical world and specially on the internet.

Taking in account all this, its no suprise they would be not only ddisregarding of this book but outright violent against it.

>>20255830
I know! It should be more like /r/books!

>>20255829
>>20255835
>le reddit
Is that your function here, to mindlessly spout another site as the go to boogeyman?

>>20255830
Dialectical filter in action

>>20255835
>if I repeat enpugh times that everything I disagree with belongs on reddit it will become true at some point!

This is you. Its pathetic.

>>20255841
>Complains about not getting an argument
>Gets an argument
>Proceeds to not argue at all

>>20255848
Saying reddit and using the same 5 phrases that are ingrained in your brain thanks to spending an unhealthy amount of hours on 4chan and adapting its infantile way of reasoning is not an actual argument, thus it merits no counterargument.

>>20255868
>"Your argument is... Not an argument!!!"

>>20255873
Yes, that's a legitimate answer, particularly when that is the case, which it actually is here. What your doing is an intellectual sleight of hand, what I'm doing in return is saying I'm not amused, go try your tricks on someone else.

>>20255879
Anon, if you have nothing to say just don't say anything. If you legit think it's not worth your time just don't say anything. If you think the argument is valid just don't say anything. It's the fucking internet, if you want a tiny bit of actual discussion then don't just say "hurr durr u are gaslighting me and u r dumb"

And then people complain why liberalism is not taken seriously these days

>>20255891
>And then people complain why liberalism is not taken seriously these days
So that's why you're here, to spout your ideological drivel aimed at your strawman version of liberalism. Lol.

>>20255904
Actual brainlet. Not worth continuing.

>>20255906
Good, now that you've bumped this thread quite a bit with your schizoid ranting, it can finally start being about Zuboff and her book detailing how the elites nowadays are conducting their ruling ways and why it's important that we pay attention to it.

>>20255912
>>20255912
>why it's important that we pay attention to it.
it's not
and normies dont give a shit about privacy

>>20255785
do I need to know anything beyond assuming every mic and camera is live, and all live digital data is everywhere?

>>20255939
Yes, and the book covers it in great detail. That's only the first layer of everything that's going on nowadays, because it's not just about surveillance, it's also about guiding and manipulating people and limiting their control until there's little to none of freedom of choice left because that's what best sells their products to other companies.

>>20255785
Not going to read anything by a woman that ugly.

>>20255947
yea I figured something like that too. Idk, I'm just nine to five-ing it on canned ravioli senpai, errbodys gotta live

>“Industrial capitalism transformed nature’s raw materials into commodities, and surveillance capitalism lays its claims to the stuff of human nature for a new commodity invention. Now it is human nature that is scraped, torn, and taken for another century’s market project. It is obscene to suppose that this harm can be reduced to the obvious fact that users receive no fee for the raw material they supply. That critique is a feat of misdirection that would use a pricing mechanism to institutionalize and therefore legitimate the extraction of human behavior for manufacturing and sale. It ignores the key point that the essence of the exploitation here is the rendering of our lives as behavioral data for the sake of others’ improved control of us. The remarkable questions here concern the facts that our lives are rendered as behavioral data in the first place; that ignorance is a condition of this ubiquitous rendition; that decision rights vanish before one even knows that there is a decision to make; that there are consequences to this diminishment of rights that we can neither see nor foretell; that there is no exit, no voice, and no loyalty, only helplessness, resignation, and psychic numbing; and that encryption is the only positive action left to discuss when we sit around the dinner table and casually ponder how to hide from the forces that hide from us.”
ye she based

>>20255947
>because it's not just about surveillance, it's also about guiding and manipulating people and limiting their control until there's little to none of freedom of choice left
Correct but the bit about products is wrong

>>20255796

>>20255785
I'm glad I read it, great overview of the current era and its trajectories. A few things annoyed me.
It suffers from ornate prose which is frustrating but I acclimatised to her writing.
Long stretches of uninteresting waffle (as if the prose wasn't bad enough!).
There was something very wrong about bluetooth or MAC addresses which anyone who has a useful understanding of technology should've picked up on. This left me a bit jaded but it's like 3/4 of the way in and in fairness it doesn't matter much for the books purpose.

Reccomended. Also, this book does circulate /lit/ but probably drowned out by the dumb fucking retards making and posting in bible threads

I think my dad might be dieing. I got a call from an unknown number. I never answer that immediately, they can text me if htey're real people. I googled it and the number has 0 reports but a number of searches. could be a hospital line. he left a message which was just that I should call him. he did not sound well. I tried to call back but the line was busy. I have checked my shortes route by public transport to the hospital I imagine they would take him to. his phone is turned off. all I can do is wait. this could be the one last shot at any kind of reconciliation. I don't expect it. I thought I forgave him before, but I don't think I actually did. he had a hard life, I think he did a lot for us that did not go appreciated at all. at the same time, at one point I literally planned to murder him. I think an angel stopped me. all I can do for now is wait.

>>20255985
sorry I'm a bit off balance, I though thtis was was wwoym

>>20255985
>at the same time, at one point I literally planned to murder him
still it is beginning to look like all the parts of my life were in the right place, and he sure was a victim of circumstance. it would be bizarre to hold a life I'm happy with against him.

>>20255830
This is not true at all. You're not very intelligent.

>>20255785
Honestly I’m going to give you a bump because
>discussing an actual book
>no frog, wojack or coomer bait as pic related, it’s a picture of the actual book
>it’s not one of the 20 circlejerked books /lit/ always discusses
Incidentally I have Surveillance Capitalism on my to read list because it’s on the blindpill chart IIRC, I assume it’s about things like Big Data, Silicon Valley and all those ways employers are using to make sure you are being a good productive goy, isn’t it?

>>20255873
based 'jakker

>>20255824
How about you say something about the book aside from your one-line low effort garbage shill\
Fuck off and die you piece of shit scumbag

>>20256157
dumb frogposter

>>20256297

>>20255785
>>20255819
The basic premise - that surveillance is a form of value accumulation - is false, and precisely not applying the lesson of Marx implied in the title, which is that capitalism is a temporary structure wherein the two general classes of society have equal and competing interests. Ascension of surveillance marks the collapse of capitalism into neomonarchism, not some "mutation" in the form of value which post-Frankfurt weenies like to masturbate over. Plus, the author looks like a tranny.

>>20255985
he needed money. that's fine. good scare.

What's there to discuss about it though? Books like these are just opiates for liberals anyway, there have been books warning about the dangers of X technology since the beginning of literature itself, and nothing ever gets done anyway. So books like it just functions like a recreational drug for people with 1 standard deviation above the mean IQ.

I wonder what her Early Life is.

I feel like putting capitalism in a book's title is just an easy hack to get published.

i've been finding books like this frustrating. most of it is filler-fluff, the author lamenting on how much we're suffering due to x issue at hand. then the actual guts of it, empirical evidence, is stretched thin, nit-picked and obviously bias. foucault was better at this shit. he would just autistically lay out as many examples as possible without crying 'please think of the children' or 'what about this bright, empty alternative I thought of without outlining any praxis' every half-paragraph (maybe excluding interviews). like >>20256358 said, history is just repeating itself, business as usual, language speaks us and speaks itself. it doesn't inform us, it instructs us, it commands us. the idea of 'human' rewritten to suit the needs of a future that has a will without us. the virtuous man will never be what it was, it will only be a copy, a phantasm, a revision, which it always was. but you know.. 'fight for a human future'. the future isn't human.

>>20256475
It's funny, I had the same initial reaction to Zuboff and assumed she would be another example of low hanging fruit stretched too thin, but I ended up watching a Youtube documentary about her surveillance capitalism and was impressed by her synoptic view of the surveillance state.

>>20255830
I am pretty antisemitic, misogynistic, and racist, but I don't disregard books because of any of that, I only disregarded it because I assumed it was one more book "like this" in a sea of books like this.

Now I plan to read it.

>>20255959
why do all those petty bourgeois types write in the same unbearable way
>>20256358
>not applying the lesson of Marx
>Ascension of surveillance marks the collapse of capitalism into neomonarchism
lol the retard complains about not applying Marx's lessons and then immediately claims you can transition from capitalism to some invented whateverthefuckism when the mode of production remains the same (socialized production of commodities)
>>20256377
not just "capitalism". it has to be capitalism + something that specifically appeals as a class to people who buy those kinds of books to serve as decoration on their bookshelves, namely to the petty bourgeoisie.
in this case the bait is good because it's truly in capitalism's nature to encroach on precious "freedoms" of the petty bourgeois, whether it be taxation, monopolies outcompeting their small businesses, big capital undercutting funding for the state programs they're parasitic upon, or surveillance. and they love to complain about it, or better yet, have someone else to complain about it for them.
but if you wrote about capitalism from the perspective of the proletariat's liberation and not from the perspective of making capitalism more agreeable to the middle classes, there would be no market for it.

>>20255830
>no thanks, I'm not gonna read it
>"This is outright violence!"
Herbs go in all fields.

She has a Twitter (which means I wouldn't have read it anyway) and the first posts I see are whining about based Elon conquering Twitter from the current Judeo-Dravidian rulers.

>>20255830
This, so much this. Silence is violence.

>>20255796
>(((female writer)))
Definitely not gonna happen

I think I’ll just read Foucault and Debord instead

>>20256939
I had to use a third party twitter viewer because I'm an adult man, so I don't have a Twitter account, but what she's saying seems reasonable. She's just saying that if you need to be saved by some billionaire narcissist "personality" from the schemes of other millionaire elites, you don't have a functional state. We should be fixing the problem of peter pan syndrome playboy overlords, not hoping for a more merciful one tomorrow.

I also hope Elon does buy Twitter just because it annoys Jews and will be funny, and no doubt she is liberal and her ideal "democracy" is some porous economic zone where everybody can decide which Michelle Obama Funco Pop they stick up their ass today, but nuance is important. She's right about this specific thing.

>>20256508
> socialized production of commodities
Commodity production is not capitalism, neither is socialization thereof. Capitalism is characterized by surplus-value extractions. You need to try reading the book.

>>20255830
>they hated him because he spoke the truth

>>20255830
what i don't understand is why the people who come here to avoid censorship or the limits of the mainstream www are so keen to practice it themselves (the relentless hatred of anything non-male, non-white and non-canon shuts down nearly every thread as it piles on; they clearly want it gone, otherwise they wouldn't behave in such a manner). nobody's forcing you to click on a thread about something/somebody you don't like. at least i sure don't. aside from the worst baiting/shitpost oneliners i'm not for banning/deleting, and i think all threads and all views should be allowed as long as they follow the rules but i sure wish people would practice some self control and quit spreading negativity

>>20255984
Yea I’m reading it right now about 1/3rd of the way in. I mean she’s not really a programmer or computer scientist so there’s gonna be some mistakes. The orange prose did bug me in the beginning but it gets better as the books goes along pretty good so far just wish it was a little less drawn out. Like I feel it could have been shorter without missing anything crucial

>>20256475
Have you read the book?

>>20257208
I agree, I think you're seeing a vocal minority. 4chan is pretty live and let live when taken in aggregate. People just get a little overzealous about promoting "racial hygiene," like excluding groups who happily exclude others when they dominate other media. For understandable reasons since we're all used to these cocksuckers tone policing us anywhere else we go.

>>20257246
okay chud

the people complaining the most about the book are the people who have not read it. I went in kind of skeptical but she does provide several case studies with Facebook and google ( the street view scandal particularly was wild ) that are worth reading about. In general I think she makes a pretty fair point that’s politically neutral for the most part. Even if you go in with some bias I’d recommend at least trying to read it.

>>20255785
She is pro censorship
https://twitter.com/shoshanazuboff/status/1420421290549252105

Just go to /g/

>>20257324
>Surveilance capitalists, please save democracy! You won't use your powers for evil this time!
https://twitter.com/shoshanazuboff/status/1347234818262773763
I'm not denying that the book is good, but she is foolish if she thinks that these corporations won't use their censorship to make more money.

>>20255830
>rejection of anything marginally critical of the status quo and the capitalist system, rampant antisemitism...

>>20255823
This is a social media circle.

>>20257404
4chan's antisemitism is just cope. Just a bunch of puritans who bet on neoliberals and lost and now have to invent a reason for why they weren't in the wrong.
>n-no it's not the system, it's the genetic character of the people in it!
That's all it is

>>20257430
take your meds

>>20255785
>surveillance capitalism
Sounds dumb, I don't even believe advertising works all that well. I have never clicked an ad in my life. None of these people who go on about muh new forms of capitalist exploitation ever even mention the Fed and its central role in the world's economy (by which I mean propping it up).

>>20257436
>gets BTFO
>muh muh muh meds

literally kill yourself and go straight to hell where you belong nigger

>>20257465
fuck off already futters

>>20256503
This is such a blatant marketing thread. No one is organically interested in the idea because any teenager with a 130 iq has already put 2 and 2 together.

>constant surveillance
>ad spam
>monitor for behavioral change
>adjust ads
>monitor
>adjust
>achieve target behavior

It's just not an interesting topic at all to explore. Obviously the content we are being exposed to is being constantly adjusted to produce a desirable outcome for the context creators. Why the hell is this any different from any other era of propaganda? Does it scare normies that the scale and speed accelerated? I don't want to listen to any "intellectual" that finds this phenomenon profound or interesting in any way. The answer to rejecting this force on your own life is to become a content creator not a consumer. Who cares what happens to the lazy consumers. They can eat literal shit. Even before the speed up a consumer was always a worthless human.

>>20255785
>female

>>20255785
Yeah yeah we get it the precious government should be managing the means of production.

FUCK OFF>

>>20257430
Our anti-semitism is rampant because anti-semitism is instantly disregarded by people like you. You dare not question if Jews really are a problem. It is no different than us disregarding your shitty book.

The government is a dominatrix

>>20257430
>antisemitism

Reminder you fucking clown that anti-semitism only exists when there is semitism.

>>20257063
>Commodity production is not capitalism, neither is socialization thereof.
1. I only said that their conjunction is capitalism. do you know how adjectives work?
2. commodity production only becomes the prevailing character of production with capitalism and it ceases to exist altogether with the abolition of capitalism. therefore generalized commodity production does = capitalism. but generalized commodity production is only possible as socialized production (a society predominantly made of individual hunters, individual weapon makers and so on who produce for exchange has never existed and never will)
>Capitalism is characterized by surplus-value extractions. You need to try reading the book.
you need to try reading some Marx. socialized production of commodities is production of surplus value and production of surplus value is socialized production of commodities. but since you disagree, you're free to tell me how surplus value could be produced either based on non-socialized production of commodities or on socialized production of non-commodities.

lol there's maybe like two people in this thread that have actually read the damn book.

>>20255785
youtube documentary easy as

>>20257267

Those are all Jews!!!

>>20255785
Why does she have the hair of a super saiyan

>>20259151
Targeted hair product ads

>>20255830
This is bait right?

>>20259151
It produces electronic infetterence to prevent her from being tracked by capitalism

>>20255785
Why should I read it? Is there a synopsis or quick review so I don't end up wasting my time on something I have no interest in?
>>20255819
>It's THE book to read regarding digital technologies and how they're used to spy and record your daily life.
That is a big claim, and I am doubting it.

If you want to go deep into this kind of idea there are people who have been screaming and writing about it for years who actually work with and know how this shit works. Pic rel is a good reference and gives good insight into how difficult and somewhat pointless it is to try and be anonymous.
So why would I read a book by someone when I can read another author who explains and understands the topic better?
>Nothing to do with it, but even if someone found her on Twitter thanks to some popular eceleb, if the books is good and offers valuable insight, what does it actually matter in the end?
Communist manifesto and the offers insight, doesn't mean I did not waste my time reading it.
>>20255829
>Go back to subreddit
Why do new fags say this? Like as if people here will ban them if they don't show how devoted to chanology they are.
>>20255830
Your a jogger

>>20257511
>live in a democracy
>laws are determined by voters
>voters are consumers
>therefore laws are determined by consumers
>consumer behavior is determined by surveillance corporations
>therefore laws are determined by surveillance corporations
it would be retarded not to care what the normies are up to, they outvote us by far

>>20255785
>One of the most important nonfiction books written
Always afraid when I read these words

Bro are you retarded?

1) that would happen in a direct democracy, an utopic system
2) even if that woudl be the case, a consumer can not create a law from thin air https://whatmaster.com/pyramid-of-kelsen/

I am a gay faggot and I want to sit on "Shrek's" dick (the ogre)

>>20259522
Based and Bernays-pilled.

>>20255811
dilate

>>20255814
capitalism is a bad, soulless, jewish entity and you should be skinned, wrapped in clingfilm and set alight by a bunch of brazilian shitskins for your amerimutt reddit opinion

>>20259579
didn’t think i needed tk spell it out, but here ya go:
>voters elect representatives
>representatives legislate
>therefore voters legislate indirectly through their representatives

>>20255785
>femoid
>jew
>lurks retard friendly opsec / netsec forums when facebook became a thing post 2007
>((( coins ))) the term "surveillance capitalism"

This is all you need to know. Even before this book came out you'd have threads about this on shitboards like lainchan.

>>20257362
>Friends, Trump fulfilled his demented fantasy of murderous violence without consequence. This must not stand.

>title has 'capitalism' in it
>POWER
>systemic
>structural
yawn. into the trash it goes

>>20255830
(You) are the status quo. /lit/ is just being critical of your power structure!