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>>20250090
Epicurus himself “refuted” the other schools of hedonism. Epicureanism is called negative-hedonism

If you mean fapping and gaming all day you'll fry your dopamine receptors

>>20250090
Its not good to just go around fucking kids because "it feels good"

>>20250096
There's nothing wrong with that, he's an adult and can make his own decisions.
>>20250116
That's more about morality, nothing to do with hedonism

>>20250127
>There's nothing wrong with that, he's an adult and can make his own decisions.
Permanent damage to your brain should be a rebuttal to hedonism.

>>20250127
>There's nothing wrong with that, he's an adult and can make his own decisions
even lit can’t stray away from normie faggotry

>>20250127
>There's nothing wrong with that
But it makes you less happy in the long run, which is the opposite of what a hedonist desires

>>20250127
Isn't hedonism just a form of morality?

Can someone define hedonism? You’re all arguing for no reason

>>20250135
Video games and masturbation doesn't damage your brain. Even if they did, the damage would be so minor it wouldn't be significant.

Besides, what do you do? You participate in hobbies other people don't care about. Hedonism, in your definition is basically "stop doing what I don't like"

So if hedonists pursue pleasure and think of it as highest good, what will they do with unomfortable truths? If they encounter a truth uncomfortable and off putting? I can only imagine they avoid it, hedonism would lead to escapism.

>>20250136
Why do you imagine everyone here has the same opinion? This shouldn't be a hugbox or an echo chamber

>>20250096
Didn't Epicurus say he only indulged in cheese once in a while so he would still enjoy it?
I don't think he would condone fapping and gaming all day.
>>20250142
This thread is about Epicureanism.

Many if not all of the greatest personal and societal achievements are done by people getting out of their comfort zone whether is was doing the thing or the process of getting there. Hedonism discourages that which makes it a malicious philosophy in every way.

>>20250148
No, OP asked for refutation of hedonism, not Epicureanism in particular.

>>20250148
>This thread is about Epicureanism.
No, you said this thread is about hedonism, not capital-E Epicureanism. Two very different things.

>>20250146
Read the fucking book, it's short enough to be read on the shitter

>And since pleasure is ourfirst and native good, for that reason we do not choose every pleasurewhatever, but often pass over many pleasures when a greater annoyance ensuesfrom them. And often we consider pains superior to pleasures when submissionto the pains for a long time brings us as a consequence a greater pleasure.While therefore all pleasure because it is naturally akin to us is good,not all pleasure is worthy of choice, just as all pain is an evil and yetnot all pain is to be shunned.

>>20250170
>>20250173
That was deliberate because I thought it would get more (You)s.
As you can see the bust is of Epicurus. I am mostly interested in discussion of Epicureanism.
You asked for a specific definition so use that. If you want to discuss hedonism in general be my guest.

Back when I lived hedonistically (watched porn all day, ate junk food all day, played video games 10 hours a day, had a 25 hour sleep schedule, overindulged in everything), I was suicidally miserable. Now that I quit all those things and acquired self-discipline, wake up early in the morning and force myself to do productive things, I feel infinitely better. So, there's your refutation: pure hedonism doesn't even make you feel good, it defeats itself.

The definition for hedonism is so vague, basically anyone can apply their own meaning to it. Then it can be used as an attack on other people or as cautionary advice

It's just another negatively connotated buzzword with no actual clear-cut definition. One person will use it to talk about masturbation, another will use it in a political debate, so on and so forth

>>20250183
irrefutable under the western philosophy paradigm

>>20250090
It would not be very enjoyable for me to do so.

>>20250207
k lol

>>20250205
A clearer definition is to say that we should seek that life which we would prefer to live over all the other possible lives we could have lived.

What is it with people confusing Epicureanism with hedonism? He spoke against living excessively and preached a simple lifestyle.

>>20250319
They don’t read

>>20250224
based

>>20250090
You need to put in effort to make life even remotely enjoyable. Hedonism yada yada is a stupid concept.

>>20250319
>>20250376
Epicurus still believed that happiness is the highest good. Seeking long-term happiness rather than short-term fulfillment would lead to greater pleasure. This is different from how hedonism is commonly understood but it's why he's considered as one.

>>20250148
>Didn't Epicurus say he only indulged in cheese once in a while so he would still enjoy it?
>I don't think he would condone fapping and gaming all day.
Big difference between once in a while versus all day. Epicurus didn't eat cheese all day.

>>20250456
Yes, I was saying that Epicurus would want you to only fap and game occasionally so it is still pleasurable.

>>20250143
Porn and videogames are meant to be addictive and binging them fries your dopamine receptors. Are you just being defensive for your shitty lifestyle? Or are you just retarded?

Will you all please just shut up and read something on Epicureanism

>>20250127
Hedonism is a moral code that says that what is pleasurable is moral.

>>20250127
You're right. Except there is no morality with pagan philosophy. Some assburger can claim otherwise but it comes down to their doxa.

>>20250135
If something gives you permanent brain damage, and that brain damage reduces your ability to feel pleasure, then you should avoid doing it on the basis of hedonism.

>>20250090
If I’d feel pleasure by killing you, would you accept that?

>>20250519
This makes me think ancient philosophy were just a bunch of bros throwing hypotheticals at one another and committing to bits (Diogenes being the king)

>>20250090
Agreed but temperance is required for one to keep enjoying things for a long time. If you were to fuck all the twinks and drink all the wine in 2 weeks you'll have ruined those things for yourself in the future.
>t. struggling to enjoy weed again