/lit/ - Literature

>>20226669
He's just an outside observer to most intellectual traditions of the last 300 years or so, besides maybe Hegelianism so very few people even encounter his works. The main translator of his(outside of I believe Revolt...) into English for instance has found him in the 90's because he was referred to as "the Italian Spengler" and iirc the first people who translated RatMW were like new age hippies or something. So to get a discussion on Evola you have to find a far-right intellectual type, which just wasn't something that happened post-war and pre-internet, the intelligent people with far right sympathies were just funneled through the grifters and instead were ending up on the conservative side of the liberal tradition.

Remember the whole go online and find million obscure authors and then find easily available writings of them thing is a very new development. If its 1985 and your syllabus doesn't have something, none of your professors or peers know or mention something and if this something is even in a library but it was never borrowed and hidden between similarity obscure tomes it may as well not exist.

>>20226732
>"the Italian Spengler"
In fact, the very first Italian translation of his magnum opus was done by Evola, under the title of "Il tramonto dell'Occidente" (lit. "The sunset of the West").

bla bla nooo the academia are jews waaah waaah wahaah

>>20226669

To get published in Academia you must be against right wing fascist racism, and in favour of left wing marxist racism. His work just simply isn't relevant to any left wing marxist racists, because the representation of their favoured races in pop media is more relevant to them academically.

you know you're onto something when you have the most butchered wikipedia article ever

>>20226769
They are actually.

>>20226669
Because he said not so nice things about wahmen apparently, that and muh Jews that's enough to get him blackballed . I like him though

>>20226858

When I was a leftist and reading his work, I couldn't help but be greatly entertained by his idea of spiritual racism, where it had nothing to do with the genetics of the person (and material race was the lowest form of race), but rather that the spirit of a person.

And on that basis he argued for the superiority of the Aryan race, and the inferiority of the Jewish race, and in his examples be brought up that a Jew by blood could have an Aryan spirit, and thus be superior, and an Aryan by blood could have a Jewish spirit, and thus be inferior.

So then it was only natural that when I heard petitions to pray for the Christian Race in the Orthodox Christian liturgy, the whole idea of spiritual race clicked, the necessity for Orthodox Christianity became clear, and how any material basis for race necessarily is completely arbitrary and subject to eventual dissolution.

>>20226874
what book does he talk about this

>>20226732
fpbp

>>20226959

I think it's Myth of the Blood

>>20226669
Because it is difficult to profit from any of his ideas and concepts. The long-nosed overlords aren't able to extract value and live parasitically off a people he envisions.

People cleave to their illusion of freedom and choice. They are trapped, caged and unable to view the very prison they build around themselves with each netflix special, each uber takeout and each lie they speak when they say they are happy.

Because he's a crazy person who believed in magic.

>>20227441
>Honor
>Loyalty
>Struggle
>Abstract concepts of spiritualism and positive mental headspace

Magic?

>>20226874
He says the example of a jew with an Aryan spirit is extremely rare and he was still very conservative when it came to race in society. He was strongly against racemixing, especially with the "darker races".

>>20227441
His views are basically the same as those of ancient kings and emperors.

>>20226669
Because the most prevailing belief currently held in academia is that democracy is what should be sought morally, and the egalitarian attitude utterly dominates.
Evola, of course, being a Traditionalist, rejects democracy, and as such is immediately discredited for academia, as he dared to transgress against the most sacredly held belief: democracy.
This egalitarian attitude has reached its peak academically in thinkers such as Derrida, who strive towards a democratization of truth, which Evola would fervently reject.

Also, like Guenon, Evola's views are contingent on some amount of experience which is utterly impossible for the vast majority of modern academics to have, them being entirely closed off to anything beyond the corporeal.
Since these experiences are necessary to understand his positions, academia is unable to properly and honestly engage with him.

>>20227433
>They are trapped, caged and unable to view the very prison they build around themselves with each netflix special, each uber takeout and each lie they speak when they say they are happy.
We all live in our own prisons

https://youtu.be/c1aHYOyRphE

>>20226669
Because no one knows who he is.

>>20226669
um because he's a literal fascist? why do you think

>>20226669
Evola is just drawing on critiques outlined by Nietzsche, Marx and Guenon respectively. And yes I know he was anti-marx but he still stole his ideas about the workers alienation of the end products etc

>>20227467
>>20227633
tbhq believing in atlantis and hyberborea metaphysics, being anti-semitic and a fascist doesn't bode well in modern day academia

>>20228881
Wrong. Libtard academics working on sociological studies on "right wing extremists" study Evola's ideas since he's a big influence in intellectual fascist circles. There's that silly book about Steve Bannon's influences for example

>>20227628

I don't disagree with you. But the point is that his racism is deeper, and better thought out than a crude materialistic determinism that both fascists and marxists subscribe to.

>>20227849
>them being entirely closed off to anything beyond the corporeal.
What does this mean? They do plenty of drugs don't they?

Because he defies what is considered 'moral' or acceptable today ie not supporting our democracy and doing wrong think

>>20226769
This but unironically. Evola is generally a waste of time though, like all philosophy.

>>20229322

Drugs are corporeal.

Even for the drugs that open you up to demons, like DMT or whatever, most materialists just chalk it up to material explanations, like "Oh, my evolutionary monkey brain invented these creatures that, coincidentally, every single other person who has done these drugs sees, because it is more evolutionarily beneficial to be understood in some way when tripping balls. What, many people have had shared experiences of seeing the same non-physical entity? Sorry, I can't hear you over needing to socially fit in with people who would laugh at me if I admitted that demons are real.".

>>20229322
Them being, for the most part, materialist/physicalist atheists has made their worlds smaller in a literal way. For Guenon and Evola, reality is tripartite: the corporeal (material world), the psychic (non-material but not divine, 'demons' would be here), and the intellectual (god/ the absolute). The goal and aim of Guenon and Evola is to ascend these worlds as high as possible.
Anyway, these attitudes which the academics share, have made sure that they are enclosed in the corporeal/material world, and are thus unable to both experience and understand anything beyond that. Inherently this is due to a complete and utter lack of faith and belief, which in turn has tangibly made their realities smaller.

>>20229375
Drugs are largely corporeal, but the effects of some psychedelics can definitely poke holes in the shield protecting materialists from the psychic order, and thus open them to the possibility of seeing psychic entities, demonic or not. I definitely agree with you, but I would mainly add that drugs have the potential for helping the user reach the psychic, but never, ever, ever, the spiritual/intellectual realm.

It is indeed amusing to see the lengths materialists go, and the paths they forge to uphold their materialist views, and they inevitably, when confronted by the unexplainable, claim that there is some 'scientific' and rational explanation that we can't yet access due to our current scientific ignorance.

>>20227849
Democracy is not even a "belief" is more like a fetish.
Leftists don't give a fuck about democracy.
Libertarians don't give a fuck about democracy.
Rightwigner (fascists and proto fascists) of course don't give a fuck about democracy.
Democracy is a taboo/fetish. Nobody actually gives a fuck or truly believe in it.

Here is my galaxy brain XXI century take.
We already saw the devastating effects of "the death of god". Now we are going to be witnesses of the death of democracy.
Or to put it in Nietzschean style, democracy i dead.

>>20230571
>drugs are corporeal
>but never, ever, ever, the spiritual/intellectual realm.
But didn't the UR Group publish an article on the "Corrosive Waters", which explains how an initiation can be reached via drugs? Even Evola stated he experimented with ether and achieved initiation in The Path of Cinnabar.

>>20226849
Wikipedia is such a shit hole nowadays man. Anything slightly anti-narrative is given the treatment. I remember reading Evola's intro and it's like
>He advocated RAPE!
Other pages do this too where they emphasize and point out what is in reality an entirely minor point or aspect of a person or organization in an effort to discredit further reading or color your perception of them as monsters. Any holocaust article or page on NSDAP officials does similar where they just spam it with heart-rending pictures of kids in concentration camps and stuff like that. Totally non-objective and agenda-driven. Not even trying to defend these people but like damn this is supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia not another Party mouthpiece.

>>20226769
yes you fucking faggot jesus

>>20226874
>any material basis for race necessarily is completely arbitrary
It's not. You're generalizing the particular.

>>20230753

The only time that a material basis for race isn't completely arbitrary, is when they can actually trace back their genetic lineage to a patriarch, and define their race as membership within an actual traced family tree.

Most materialist racists nowadays don't even know their great grandfathers name, let alone are able to draw, which is when the haplogroup cope, or the "state defines your race" cope comes in.

>>20226669
Evola is Vāmācāra Guénon is Dakṣiṇācāra, that simple. Evola is better for Kali Yuga, Guénon puts too much trust in bureaucracy.

>>20231834
Guénon us a good foundation of course saying one is better than the other is silly, they are just different points of view, but nonetheless the point still stands,
And yes self-proclsimed evolians who simply read the work as some pseudo-justificstion for materialist racism are not at all related to Evola at best they read a quote here or there

>>20226874
>>20231821
>population genetics don't exist because feelz = realz

>>20231854

Population genetics exist, but actually defining clear-cut races according to them is a blatant gigacope cope for not actually being able to trace your patrilineage.

>>20231859
>drawing conclusions from population genetics is a cope because im a contrarian retard

>>20231868

You can draw conclusions from population genetics.

You can't define races from them.

Stop being an illiterate inbred.

>>20231982
The conclusion of population genetics is that races exist. Those are the populations in question.
>BWAAAA you can't have orange because red and yellow!!!! WHERE IS THE LINE!?!?
pseud

>>20226769
bla bla nooo the academia are jews waaah waaah wahaah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5cQbO_ybw

>>20230744
There's an interesting feature to Wikipedia where the more sources a claim has the more likely it is to be a lie. If I'm seeing [][][][][][][][]][][][][][][][][][][][][]]] next to a claim, I'm thinking it's made up.

>>20230744
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>>20226669

1. Because he didn't cuck out and denounce Italian Fascism after WWII, but instead constructively critiqued it.

2. His work doesn't fit neatly into any of the discrete disciplines that academics love so much. He's too political to be considered part of Guenonian Traditionalism, yet he didn't have enough political influence in his lifetime to be considered an important historical figure. His writings about metaphysics and religion don't really fit into Western philosophy or religious studies either, because he begins from the position that the truths of Traditionalism are real and beyond the need for empirical validation.

3. The only academics who tend to publish on him are involved in "far right/fascism studies" which only really exists to demonise and discredit its subject matter rather than engage with it.

>>20226959

Fascism Viewed From the Right and Notes on the Third Reich both contain chapters on his racial views.

>>20231986

>Races are a spectrum

You keep proving that point, that these ambiguous, spectrum-definitions of races are a cope for being a racial orphan, and that you're looking for commonality between people who you share some DNA with, but have no idea how.

This modern attempt at defining race through DNA commonality, rather than direct lineage, is a symptom of how modernity has destroyed your family and nation, not a solution to the problem of defining national identity.

Trannies have infected your brain. Races aren't a spectrum when you can actually trace your racial lineage to a common ancestor, when you aren't a racial orphan.

>>20226769
Kill yourself /leftypol/ nigger fuck off back to where you came from.

>>20232279
>orange doesn't exist because color is a spectrum
OK.

>>20232322

Colours don't have ancestors. Humans do.

Get the tranny brainwashing out of your skull.

>>20232279
There's no doubt in my mind I have unbroken patrilineal continuity to magnificent kings. Is it okay if you prostrate before me and kiss the ground before my feet, slave? :)

>>20229375
Yknow, I always dismissed these claims of DMT opening you up to demons out of hand, but when I actually stop and think about what my experiences on it were like most of the time... you might have a point.

>>20229375
>>20232379
From what I've read about DMT, it seems to be the manifested collective intelligence of fungal spores than anything. Fungi, especially mycelium, seem to have a decentralized intelligence and consciousness. They are immensely important as decomposers and preservers of life. Fungi is obviously self-aware.

>>20228920
>fascist

>>20226769
no way? I'll spread the word, thank you

>>20226669
He’s Italian and Italian philosophy gets ignored.

Also, he’s tainted even among right wingers by his proximity to fascism and the occult.

>>20228935
he knew very little about marxism except that it was "bad" to him. He was very open minded though, and a curious man, so once one of his students started telling him about his marxist adventures in the 60s he had a lot of fun and was very interested

>>20232279
Your fixation on race's relationship to personal identity is embarrassingly myopic. Race has broad social consequences beyond just what it personally means for you. It doesn't fucking matter if you're a 'racial orphan' or not, race is still a fundamental difference between a society like Haiti's and a society like Canada's.
>a solution to the problem of defining national identity.
So we should ignore the obvious potential solution to the problem, racial nationalism, because of your esoteric sperging.
>YOU'RE A RACIAL ORPHAN DONT YOU GET IT!?!?
>STOP ENGAGING IN POLITICAL ACTION STOP, WHAT, ARE YOU A TRANNY?
>NOOOOO STOP FORGING A NEW NATIONAL IDENTITY NO
Okay when bro what's your better solution to the American question?

>>20226769
Shalom

>>20226849
What is Evola's definition of nature?

>>20231982
So we should ignore race because you're too stupid to come up with a suitable definition? Also, you aren't white. Nonwhites make this argument all the time.

>>20231834
>>20231837
I agree and have thought about this a lot. Evola may also be on to something when talking about the path of action and the Western spirit too. Guenon is pretty useless when it comes to trying to advance spiritually, beyond reading his books and obtaining a good orientation and kmowledge. Evola on the other hand has already laid out a path, at least to start, and you can follow it and find others farther down.

>>20232757
He totally rejected marxism and thought it was worse than capitalism. Have you not read Revolt?

>>20227633
and their views aren't taken seriously by modern academia either.

>>20232351
Evola also talks of the lineage breaking off amd continuing in other lines, although this is rare.

>>20226769
Thanks for the info

>>20229375
claims of seeing shit when tripping balls are very easy to dismiss.

>>20232955
Ancient kings and emperors are ontologically superior or just superior to jewy academics.

>>20226669
Because he's a meme

>evola blows my mind with metaphysical rosicrucian templar judeo-masonic redpills in the last few chapters again

>>20232959
Do you think ancestral memory exists? If so, then it is highly likely I do descend from a king based on a vivid dream.

>>20232978
and now their views are only carried by a few fringe losers and schizophrenic nobody takes seriously.

>>20233012
You're just seething because I my life has more cosmic worth and significance.

>>20233012
>>20233027
I am special and divine while you are just a little bitch. I am the best, the greatest of all aristocrats. I am the arbitrator of all right and wrong in this world.

>>20232447
>superfascist
He referred to himself as "superfascista". It's probably better to translate it as "above fascism" rather than "fascist on steroids".

>>20233012
I've found that losers in a sick and degenerated society that places niggers and jewish materialism as its highest values are often quite noble. Those who are "winners" are more often the scum of the earth.

>>20233006
>Do you think ancestral memory exists?
Yes. And no it isn't likely, dreams almost always mean nothing outside of your head. Get out of this thread you retarded child.

>>20233088
>superfascista
ACKSHUALLY the prefix is "supra" which means above or beyond

>>20233175
So... Überfascist?

>>20233172
If ancestral memory exists and dreams don't mean anything, then how do you know ancestral memory exists in the first place?

>>20233251
more like THIS

>>20233167
and the degenerate elites of the past were actually noble because you believe their hundreds years old propaganda.

>>20233392
No, the degenerate elites in the past few centuries were degenerates, not noble.

>>20232978
>>20227633
>>20233027
>>20233031
>>20233167
You've got a call, anon

>>20232955
Imagine thinking this is a bad thing

>>20233251
what is the context of the picture?

>>20233686
My future wife saying that she would nuke america. I hate america, and americans.

>>20232811

>So we should ignore the obvious potential solution to the problem, racial nationalism, because of your esoteric sperging.

That's the problem - it's not a solution, because incoherent definitions can't be a philosophical foundation for a permanent solution. Commies are the ones who don't care about coherent definitions, because they don't believe that truth is real. They just want to take power, and shape the world politically into what they want, and it doesn't matter if what they believe makes no sense and has contradictions in it or not. That's why Communism has evolved into Globohomo - it has to evolve to re-define itself, because it fundamentally makes no sense and can't last.

If you don't care about the truth, and the only thing you want is for those damn trannies to go, then you will be subjected to something even worse than the trannies.

>Okay when bro what's your better solution to the American question?

Because globohomo is obviously demonic in nature, the only way to survive it is to become Orthodox Christian. Become members of the Christian race, and start have a lineage for your children to remember. Make local, independent strongholds that you can actually personally defend and maintain. You're not going to be able to scream and protest the owners of the global supply chains into giving you what you want while you disobey their masters.

>STOP ENGAGING IN POLITICAL ACTION STOP, WHAT, ARE YOU A TRANNY?

The opportuntity for actual political action in this day and age has gone. It's tiger-riding time - there will be opportunities in the near future, after WW3. But at the moment, you saw how weak the world was in capitulation to the mask & vax tyranny over the past two years - which is just a capstone ontop of the rest of the tranny nonsense. You have no chance at appealing to a racial majority for the betterment of your nation, because you got empirical evidence that they aren't capable of resisting tyranny. Your nation is too ready and willing to capitulate to obvious evil, because it doesn't believe in anything.

The fantasy that you can actually achieve meaningful political action in this day and age
against globohomo by appealing to a racial majority is long gone. The only thing you can do for now is wait for the vaccine side effects to kick in and kill off the people that have taken them.

Aside from just waiting out the vaccine side-effects, If you did an actual, honest evaluation of your situation, you would understand that it would take a miracle to fix anything in the world right now.

Which is why you must repent and pray, and become a member of the Christian race, so that a miracle might actually happen.

>>20233927
I think you're just a demoralized defeatist. There will never be 'enough coherence to defend' for you, you'll just endlessly move the goalposts so that you have a good excuse to retreat into your books and live a hermit life. That's fine for you if that's what you want to do but you should keep it to yourself. You're a deradicalizer and a demoralizer with nothing to offer anybody. You might even be right, but you don't actually know that until we've tried. Flailing your arms around and whining about how everybody should just stop trying like you because "YOU'LL JUST MAKE IT WORSE!!!!" is so pathetic that it defies words. I'll go ahead and keep the flame alive, you go do whatever Christian mumbojumbo you want.

>>20233948

>Flailing your arms around and whining about how everybody should just stop trying like you because "YOU'LL JUST MAKE IT WORSE!!!!" is so pathetic

Pay attention to what I'm actually saying, and stop degenerating into feminine histrionics.

Notice where I said that you should make local, independant strongholds that you can actually personally defend and maintain? That's not "stop trying". That's "try something that could actually make a real difference to you and the people around you."

Social media is not the real world. Spouting hot takes on twitter/facebook/youtube to find people to be angry with you is woman behavior. Actually putting your hands to the earth and carving out an independant niche for yourself is what a man does. That's what God said man should do - toil and work by the sweat of his brow.

Remember how I focused direct patrilineage instead of haplogroup racism. That means you should *have some kids* and be the patriarch of your own lineage. That would require you to actually get off your ass and start making the reality you want to exist actually exist by your own hands. Haplogroup racism is attempting to find solidarity in a big, impersonal crowd of people that you don't know and aren't related to.

That, again, is just female, comfort-in-the-crowd behavior.

I don't advocate inaction. I advocate for real action, that can make a real difference in your life, and the lives of people around you. I'm practical and realistic about what actually makes change in the world. Change that you're able to actually accomplish within your means, if you had the motivation to do it, instead of twitter/facebook/youtube/discord seethe club LARPing.

Read the bible. Read the early chapters of Genesis. All the greatest men at that time were patriarchs of their race and tribe. We're living in a time much like the flood times - where the whole world is engulfed in evil. Things collapse, like being hit by a flood, when that happens. Be a man and build something that can survive the coming flood.

>>20233986
your religion will die in 200 years, stop coping, we live in a new axial age and christianity cant offer solutions to the problems of our industrial based civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_Age

>>20233986
It's not like you can't do those things without engaging in political action. In fact that's exactly what I'm doing while still engaging with politics in the real world, not twitter or whatever you're projecting onto me. You know there are budding organizations going beyond the internet right? Again, I think you're just a defeatist and a deradicalizer trying to dissuade people from trying to achieve any kind of broader power over themselves. You're creating all these false dichotomies like building communities vs political actions (when obviously the former is necessary for the latter) and MIGHTY BASED AND REDPILLED PATRIARCHAL LINEAGES vs le beta haplogroup racism (what?) as an excuse to avoid engagement with politics.

>>20234002

Notice how the histrionic, driven into a frenzy because he knows he's not capable of answering the call to practically get things done with his hands, resorts to just saying that God isn't real, because admitting that he is useless in the eyes of God and changing his ways is too painful for the dedicated parasite to handle.

"God isn't real so nothing matters" is always the justification for sitting around and being a useless piece of shit.

>>20234019
i´m not the same as him >>20233948

i´m not histrionic, your religion overstayed its welcome and breed a new rabid of overzealot power obsessed freaks called leftists and communists so you´´re part of the blame, religious dumbfuck, your religion will disappear and you know it subconsciously, that´s why you appeal to emotion like a little girl crying for his (sky)dad


you´re literally worthless, no different from an ideologue trying to impose morality in order to feel better about himself, worthless scum

>>20234019
>"God isn't real so nothing matters" is always the justification for sitting around and being a useless piece of shit.
Exactly. The consequences of no fear of God are merely an acceleration of degeneracy, nothing else. I know Christendom is a good alternative to secularism and is closest to our European cultural heritage so I cling to it. However the modern prot lib Church is guilty of being way too easy on people. There's no God fearing at mass anymore, only a bunch of cute songs about how Jesus loves everyone and how we're all going to heaven no matter who we are (even trannys homos etc). It's no wonder Christians in my country, Sweden, are losing faith when the church is so cucked. Catholicsim and orthodoxy are too foreign. We need to bring back traditional Luther ism here

>>20226732
Phenomenal answer.

>>20232811
As a Canadian, I consider myself a Canadian because of personal relationships with the direct descendents of great historical personages and kings from Canadian history. Most of whom are schizoid weirdos living on the fringes of society.

The jannasarian ruling class Freemason oligarchy that runs Canada and defines "Canada's" "national" "identity" are just pretenders to the thrown and I fully embrace my racial destiny to someday behead them en mass and drive their descendants into the ocean.

Nationalism is just another pleb mass ideology for racial orphans. I'm not Canadian because of my customs, my language, or where I live. I'm Canadian because my existence defines Canada just as my ancestors defined Canada through their lives.

Julius Ebola

Academics aren’t interested in critiquing modern society

Is Evola just a vector for /pol/tards to adopt an air of intellectualism regarding their obsession for race and hatred of jews? Haven't looked into him before but this thread is embarrassing

>>20234029
15 years old: the post

>>20227849
Democracy is populism, academia hates populism. Academia and prestige based media believe in a certain "benevolent" oligarchy of the right people. And those people arent warlords and knights. They're professors and lawyers.

>>20234283
i don´t get why "christians" come here anyways, this site isn´t apt for people that believe in monotheistic religions

>but muhh jesus hanged with whores too

yeah, he hanged with them to preach the gospel, you just come here to enjoy your "sinful" activities, i bet you also repent every time you fap

pathetic larp

>>20234305
what about pic related? they´re not professors nor lawyers

>>20233349
Based Jagged Alliance 2.

>>20232858
>definition

>>20234308
>>20234029
holy fuck where did you come from? 2012?
so yeah getting all your seething out of the way, i can tell you are retarded just by the way you argue. who cares if my religion and my race are 'dead' according to some incel on 4chan. as long as i live, whiteness and christianity are alive. you cant do shit about it. religion and race isnt a music genre that just "dies", it has been alive and will forever be. nietzsche on the other hand is a faggot.

also nice projection. do you often spend time imagining other men's masturbation habits?

>>20226874
>And on that basis he argued for the superiority of the Aryan race, and the inferiority of the Jewish race, and in his examples be brought up that a Jew by blood could have an Aryan spirit, and thus be superior, and an Aryan by blood could have a Jewish spirit, and thus be inferior.
The whole world has become jewish. But you traditionalist are still clinging to a world that has disappeared long ago.
The nuclear weapon to abolish what you call the jewish race, once and for all, is to abolish huckstering and money.
But you trads do not have what it takes to do this. So you keep wanting a little judaism, a little commodity, a little money, but not to much, and think that does not make you embracing judaic values: huckstering and money.
Merchants larping as aryans. As always.
Germanic tribes during Julius Caesar were what you call aryan. You are just a jew with a foreskin.

>>20234318
They dont rule anything, they harass other proles chasing some barely appealed to ideological nonsense that has nothing to do with running a nation. Thats like showing a cop and saying "this man rules the nation".

>>20234424
>you cant do shit about it.

i´m making a statement based on current trends, so your descendants will likely be atheist or adhere to another religion

but it´s always funny when christlarpers get mad when you insult them, why arent you following jesus teaching and turn to the other cheek? begone larper

>waaaaah you can´t insult christianity

yes, yes i can

>>20234437
they resurrected racism, identity politics, minority quotas, newspeak among other things, they´re quite influential for being a bunch of fat cat ladies

>>20234448
When you are backed by the deep state it's easy.

>>20234454
when you´re backed by the universities and the press media*

>>20234448
Not really. Basically they're annoying. All of that was always around. If you arent online or in a major city people generally roll their eyes about them. There isnt a congress of mutts they all answer too. They're just chattering masses. America isnt run by them, they just take part in the systems of the oligarchy. They're related but not wed.

>>20226669
He presupposes a metaphysical (and moral) framework that atheist academia would never accept.

>>20234442
> your descendants will likely be atheist or adhere to another religion
you are already degenerate as fuck compared to your ancestors. do you think they feel proud? your descendants will likely be brown and stupid. this is a global trend.

>>waaaaah you can´t insult christianity
never said you couldnt. im just saying you do it in a stupid way.

>>20234553
>your descendants will likely be brown and stupid

i don´t plan to have children ;)

>never said you couldnt. im just saying you do it in a stupid way.

are you gonna cry because of that?

>>20234553
Jesus was brown, and even if he had lighter phenotypes, he most likely clustered with Lebanese who are anything but white.
I really don't care if you're a white nationalist. I just hate Christians who think these Levantines were Nords or something.

>>20234576
You have to completely lack faith to believe that the will of god is has to obey to laws of genetics. This argument has been nothing more than atheists and materialists trying to assert their laws onto the real of faith.

>>20234637
Jesus was a flesh puppet without a genome or brain animated by the spirit of the Demiu- I mean God.

>>20226769
Unbelievably based

>>20226669
Academia is under the grip of an unironic death cult that by and large does not tolerate the kind of “problematic” thought of people like Evola.

>>20234676
>death cult
If anything, they're a life cult, and that is precisely the problem.

>>20234576
im not a white nationalist
im not a christian who think these Levantines were Nords or something. and why do you hate them?

>>20234570
>i don´t plan to have children
thats horrible. children are amazing. enjoy being demographically replaced. buy property too, its cool if you have children, it means they will have at least something for when you die.

>>20226669
Only in closed circles. Remember, it's all about power. Why should you be taught how to rule society?

>>20234689
Yeah but what kind of life? One that does not permit living.

>>20234807
>im not a white nationalist
You just said, "Our descendants will likely be brown and stupid. this is a global trend."
I'm not claiming that being a white nationalist is bad. I'm saying it's not compatible with Christianity.

>>20232811
Yep. And I'm technically an aristocrat to you plebs.

>>20234966
white nationalist is a stupid label created by jews

>>20227849
>Because the most prevailing belief currently held in academia is that democracy is what should be sought morally, and the egalitarian attitude utterly dominates.

Rhetoric? And you believe it?

>>20226669
>criticisms to modern society
Well there's your problem. Nobody wants to hear any criticism of our hedonistic, soulless society.

>>20234966
>hurr durr I think religion is about social culture, I am a spiritual materialist
KYS retard get out of the evola thread you don't belong here.

>>20235174
Basically every single white man of Western European ancestry has Charlemagne as his ancestor. This does not make every single white man an aristocrat. Single ancestors become increasingly devoid of importance the longer time stretches due to the way that family trees work mathematically (ignoring the case of inbreeding). This means that, in a sense, every ancestor at a given level is at least as important as all of the other ancestors at that same level (temporally). Therefore even if we use the "lineage" model, race as a holistic consideration of all ancestry of a given person is still necessary at a basic level. This is one reason (the same principle) why bastards were generally not considered legally equivalent to children born in wedlock, even though they technically might have had the same patrilineage, although in this case it was flavored with a legal-religious tone.

>>20235803
>every single
What about paternal haplogroups so probably R1b, not every white western European is R1b,
Regardless I am a South-Eastern European with Ev13, I know the genetics thing is a bit of a cope.... but whatever.

>>20226669
I don't think traditionalists are really taken seriously in Academia being that the modern institutions itself are antithetical to tradition. There's also boringly loathsome tie to fascists or nazism that freak people out. I don't know how Heidegger and Carl Schmitt escaped this. Perhaps because they were so influencial they couldn't be ignored and because their works got translated quicker.

>>20226669
Where do I start with this guy? No meme answers like the greek.

>>20236395
Insane Veteran Mode: Anything mysticism

Hard Mode: Revolt Against the Modern World

Semi hard: Path to Cinnabar

There is no medium or easy mode for Evola.

>>20226669
essential chudcore

Evola hated academics and never wanted fo be one. This is well known.

>>20236395

>>20235783
academia loves critics of modern society, but only from a leftist stance.

>>20236417
I've never read a lick of Evola's work but the left side article gave me a decent idea of what he would be about while the right side was just
>bad man
Remind me to black list Wikipedia from my search engines

>>20236395
If you are already moderately well-read in ancient civs and traditions and know a little about philosophy and politics you should just start with Revolt. If not, you should wait until reading Evola. I considered myself pretty entry-level in these areas (but not clueless) and Revolt was a bit of a challenge, but nonethless a very interesting and insightful read. You can also google and wiki things as you go if you must.

I also think there is the political/philosophical side and the esoteric side to him, with the latter influencing the former. Personally I found the esoteric far more interesting even though I started reading him for the political/philosophical factor. You may be a fan of one and not the other

>>20234576
>I just hate Christians who think these Levantines were Nords or something.
Oh sweetie...
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/blue-eyed-blondes-invaded-israel-6500-years-ago-dna-study/2018/08/21/

>>20234434
>retard thinks Tradition disappears
What are you even doing in an Evola thread you low class mutt kike?

>>20226732
Fpbp

Christians need to confront the fact that their religion promotes slave, not master, morality, thereby promoting weakness, unlike the more aristocratic pre-christian religions. This foreign semetic form of religion castrates the virile Western man, look at how otherwise intelligent and thoughtful right wingers unquestioningly slander their ancient ancestors and throw fits of rage like women or weak little jews the moment their exoteric religion is criticized or questioned. Many are like deranged cult members with no center within themselves.

>>20237850
The dichotomy of master-slave morality is entierly irrelevant to someone who doesn't accept the whole need revaluation of values as an escape from the nihilism brought on by the loss of objective morality. Nietzsche's pseudo-moralism about nobility as opposed to slavishness cannot be a true moralism, and does not try to be in the first place. It require a priori a rejection of God. There is nothing for a Christian to confront.

>>20226669
His ideas are only "interesting" to dimwits.

>>20237915
>t. midwit

>>20237905
Nonetheless, your religious dogma promotes democratic values, subversion of hierarchy, blind fanaticism, charity above self-preservation, etc. all of which weaken a society and tends to level the people to the lowest common denominator. Pre-Christian morality of Europeans promoted the opposite, but degenerated in its own way until forced to cave to the plebian masses. The current state of the West can be traced easily back to Christian weakness. It was even the Jesuits who invented and first promoted the concept of "social justice".

>>20237850
It's reached the point where I can't help but see all Westerners as my enemy, so I utilize their Christian trash to destroy them. Jews came to hate you faggots for a reason: Because you are bigger Jews than them.

>>20237813
I've already studied the Peqi’in Cave remains.
They were not autosomally close to Europeans at all. Yes, they had higher light features on average, but race is not skin deep.
I highly recommend you commit suicide.
Autosomally, they were like 17% Iranian Neolithic farmer, 60% Levantine PPB, and the rest Anatolian Neolithic farmer. I have to check that up again, but they don't cluster near Europeans.

>>20237850
For real. The Iron Guard had serious cognitive dissonance going on.

>>20238526
No they aren't, they are just naive and have been spiritually castrated by this plebian semitic cult, so much so that jews are allowed to overthrow their institutions and ship in hordes of 3rd world retards to replace them, while turning their children into sex-obsessed, mentally ill freaks, and if they speak up against it they are called "intolerant" so most just go along with it because they are too weak to stand up or don't even know how to.

That said, many Christians are of course leading the fight against this Jewish plague, so they have my respect. But overall this is one of the very critical flaws in Christianity and why pre-Christian, truly Western spirituality and associated philosophy is superior.

>>20238560
>and why pre-Christian, truly Western spirituality and associated philosophy is superior.
If it's superior why does not a trace of it remain?

>>20238560
Worship a Jew for over 1000+ years, become a Jew.
Even Arabs are far more honorable than you.
Why are you always victimizing yourselves like Jews?
I don't care about you constantly scapegoating after you shot yourselves in the foot.
Why should I?
Indian and Far Eastern cultural civilizations were always better than your trash civilization.

>>20238560
>Christians are not Jews-squared
lol

>>20238594
>scapegoating
scapegoating others*
Industrialization was also a mistake.*

>>20238571
>If it's superior why does not a trace of it remain?
This is an idiotic statement and exemplifies some of the flaws I have pointed out. A lot of it remains, and continued to influence the West for over 1000 years. You should also be aware of early christian candidates for scholars who were illiterates and knew nothing, and the best scholars and philosophers were "pagan" and taught them what they knew. It took christianity nearly 1500 years to completely spread across Europe, and the higher classes always retained pre-christian tendencies. The only reason it succeeded was thanks to the mob. It's like saying blm is superior because a mob of chimp africans bully everybody into following them. It is for the masses, and therefor inferior.

Again, this is not to say it cannot be reconciled. Europeans still managed to dominate the globe under this semitic influence. But the faults of christianity must be recognised before being rectified.

>>20238597
Christians are better than Jews, the highest value of a jew is his personal material gain. It is more of a race thing than a religious thing.

>>20238700
>Europeans still managed to dominate the globe
All Europeans did was create the cancer of industrialization and then spread it around as others embraced it. Local communities cannot coexist with the industrial order. It strips man of autonomy and self-reliance. It also ultimately weakened your own cultural integrity.
>under this semitic influence
Under this Semitic influence you ceased having cultural continuity to Pre-Christian times.
>Christians are better than Jews, the highest value of a jew is his personal material gain. It is more of a race thing than a religious thing.
Then why did you worship a Jew for over 1000 years? In fact, I'm starting to see the Jews learned from the Romans rather than the other way around.
You were the original Jews. You made the Jews what they are.

European culture is overrated. I would have preferred seeing another civilizational sphere spread their influence like Far East or Indian.
There were four civilization spheres: European, Islamic, Indian, and Far East. I think European was the worst because it created novel kinds of problems such as industrialization, Israel worship, and so on.

>>20238700
>Christians are better than Jews
And yet Jesus was a turbo-Jew

>the highest value of a jew is his personal material gain
That's not what the Old Testament says. Sounds more like the credo of rightwingers.

>It is more of a race thing than a religious thing
So Jews are alt-right like you? Sweet.

>>20238594
>Even Arabs are far more honorable than you.
No they aren't, especially now. They are retarded inbred boy rapers, most of them having a mindset below that of a medieval european peasant. Even the older arab empires were just kings of slave masses for the most part.
>Indian and Far Eastern cultural civilizations were always better than your trash civilization.
Not in ancient times at all. In modern times, they fell to materialism and modernity much faster than the West, yet still they are mostly desperate to flee to the West, due to higher living standards. Of course there was foreign influence, but it occurred so quickly and profoundly that it shows these civilisations also degenerated in their own ways prior.

Are you not in a White nation? did your faggot immigrant parents not run to the West for a "better life"? why do you think that white country would get better if whites became a minority while all trends point to the contrary? it would not be in your best interest. Still, you may not be in the West, although it is less likely.

As for victimization, Europeans are currently being "victimized", as jews were a long time ago, but the difference is identifying their entire racial history with victimization instead of superior values.

>>20238766
>And yet Jesus was a turbo-Jew
No he wasn't, he was a Christian.
>That's not what the Old Testament says.
From 6000+ years ago.
>So Jews are alt-right like you? Sweet.
No, I'm saying the inferiority of jews and other nonwhites is more due to genetics and not religion or culture, which are merely results of genetics, at least in part.

>>20238751
Europeans were merely the first to do it, due to superiority in terms of innovation and conquering. Eastern civilisations fell much faster to materialism and modernity than the West in terms of the populations unquestioningly adopting such things.
>Under this Semitic influence you ceased having cultural continuity to Pre-Christian times.
Not really. Stuff like the crusades, and holidays like christmas, halloween, easter, etc. are really pagan Traditions that christianity grafted itself onto, just as a jew will take a name corresponding to whatever culture he happens to be infesting at the time.
>Then why did you worship a Jew for over 1000 years? In fact, I'm starting to see the Jews learned from the Romans rather than the other way around.
>You were the original Jews. You made the Jews what they are.
This doesn't even make sense. You are relegating all of European society to the forms exhibited by the lowest classes, which is completely contrary to the reality of the long line of kings and noblemen, not to mention emperors.

No other race would have been able to do what the Europeans did. Indians held on to the culture and religion that whites brought them thousands of years ago, they are not the type to get on boats and travel the world. Islamic? are you joking? they are very new, and they originally came from the Berbers, who were also white. The only culture they had came from older Aryan civilisations. As for the Far East, that is interesting, but like the Indians they don't have it in them to innovate and cover the globe. You are very stupid, what race are you? a goatfucking arab is my guess. A donkey.

>>20238700
>and the best scholars and philosophers were "pagan" and taught them what they knew
A lot of what guys like you hate about Christianity stems from its connection to the pagan philosophers like the Socratics. Socratic ethics is basically the blueprint for Christian ethics with its "preparing for death" thing and rejection of the human world for something abstract. Sounds like you should read Nietzsche, he had a much greater grasp of this than you.

>It's like saying blm is superior because a mob of chimp africans bully everybody into following them.
You're not "superior" to an enemy for kowtowing to them out of some obligation to a moral imperative. Superiority means overcoming them, denying this is just a cope.

>>20238751
>>20238766
Look at this seething mutt. You are part of the lower caste, do not bother with the Traditionalists or esotericism.

>>20238805
>No he wasn't, he was a Christian.
Literally straight-up false. Not even the most crazed Christian apologists believe that he was anything other than a devout Jew.

>No, I'm saying the inferiority of jews and other nonwhites
And yet they beat 'whites' in every measure of worldly and intellectual success.

>>20238768
>They are retarded inbred boy rapers
I respect this more than oversocialized faggots who believe in false notions such as technological innovation, human progress, transhumanism, and other bullshit nonsense.
>it shows these civilisations also degenerated in their own ways prior.
Every civilization has degenerated because of industrialization, but if Westerners were the first ones to industrialize, then that means they had the seeds of the peculiar sickness before anyone else. I believe Ludwig Klages' analysis of Geist vs Leben is most adequate for this. Westerners worshiped the discursive mind, the spirit (Geist), leading to technological-industrial civilization which eventually invaded and parasitize the vitalist force of nature underlying biodiversity (Leben).
>In modern times, they fell to materialism and modernity much faster than the West, yet still they are mostly desperate to flee to the West, due to higher living standards
A problem that the Westerners created. Prevention is better than the cure. The people who flee are obviously weak in spirit, but this globalized industrialized system grows from permitting such things.
>did your faggot immigrant parents not run to the West for a "better life"?
They were stupid, so what can I do about it? Prevention is better than the cure, something you faggots never learned. I don't even feel as if I am related to my parents.
>why do you think that white country would get better if whites became a minority while all trends point to the contrary?
I never said this. I actually agree with Ulrich Horstmann's solution. He is the natural progression from Ted Kaczysnki. Everyone should die at this point and MAD is nonsense.

I'm just pointing out that whites were the original people to embrace secuar and industrialist values due to the blackness of ambition, but everyone else started to imitate your bullshit.
Suck a dead Jew's dick for 1000+ years, worshiping weakness and death, and then spread it across the whole world in the form of industrialization. You're worse than trash. Give me a Western African Bantu over your oversocialized, overly convoluted, pro-industrialist trash mind any day of the week.

>>20238807
I am fully aware of the link between the two, but Christianity applied these things in different domains in which they shouldn't have. However, in that instance I was actually referring to "pagans" in Rome educating the illiterate, low class christians. And my criticisms come from the Bible, so no Socrates there. My point is that Christianity comes from a plebian semitic cult.
>You're not "superior" to an enemy for kowtowing to them out of some obligation to a moral imperative. Superiority means overcoming them, denying this is just a cope.
I am referring to quality vs quantity, with the latter being inferior to the former. You are full of false assumptions.

Also, it is extremely concerning that you feel the need to make these sorts of posts in an Evola thread, you obviously haven't read him or didn't understand him if you did. It's not like I'm referencing obscure ideas of his.

>>20238813
I only wrote the latter post, shit detective. And I'm neither a 'mutt' nor 'lower caste'. Try to learn how to reason logically, monkeyboy.

>>20238805
>innovation
You stupid arrogant snow nigger trash.
I'm saying the desire for innovation is the issue here. You cannot bring technological innovation on a massive scale and think there won't be negative side-effects.
It is better to be reactionary and stupid than to create such a large-scale high-interconnected technological-industrial order that destroys communal integrity, biodiversity on a massive scale, and more.
Absolutely no good has come from scientific, pro-industrialist, or secular mindset. It is Faustian bullshit.
Even modern medicine is trash and was funded by the Rockefellers to study petrochemical medicines and attack naturopathy.
Also, Jewsus was a Jew no matter how hard you try to argue this. You cannot constantly repeat lies and expect them to become true. Reality does not have to conform to our desires. The Levantines didn't have much steppe admixture the way Central Asia did.

>>20238824
>Literally straight-up false. Not even the most crazed Christian apologists believe that he was anything other than a devout Jew.
Literally? great vocabulary, you retarded child. If he was a devout Jew why did he create a whole other religion, you halfwit?
>And yet they beat 'whites' in every measure of worldly and intellectual success.
Worldy and intellectual success? Serious question: do you have a mental disability? Whites invented everything and created the most materially prosperous civilisations in history, they conquered the globe multiple times, and are still worshipped by non-white countries. Non-whites pay minimum 3x the tuition to be able to send their child to a Western university. Every ethnic group does this. You are a complete retard.

>>20238865
Not who you responded to. However...
>Whites invented everything
This is precisely the problem. All of this organization dependent technology has brought is the loss of autonomy, crowding, environmental damage of a large scale, and more. Read Ludwig Klages and Ted Kaczysnki.
Absolutely no good has come from industrialization or modern science. People were meant to live self-reliant lives in small villages of 100-150 on lands.
The reason your race is trash is because it went against the fundamental aspect of the human psyche. That is what it means to be Faustian.
Also, I am in all likelihood much more intelligent than you, but I attribute absolutely no value to my intelligence. It means absolutely nothing.

>>20238842
>I'm neither a 'mutt' nor 'lower caste'
Yes you are, shitskin. Just accept it, no need to deny it.

>>20238863
The White man goes out and conquers, it is his nature. He is ontologically superior. Materialism is the issue, and whites are hardly the only race guilty of it. Other races, notably jews and the darker races, as well as chinese, are more characterised by this, as a whole. As for Jesus being ethnically Jewish, I don't know. He was from a line of Priest-Kings, I don't know what his ethnicity really is, not a regular semite, probably Aryan, as all ancient nobility was.

>>20238884
Materialism and democracy is the issue, not the desire to go and conquer, which is part of the Western and Aryan Tradition. I don't care if you're more intelligent, rational-discursive intelligence is totally inferior to intuitive intelligence of the heart. I'm not insecure with my IQ, you're the one that brought it up...

>>20238884
Also I've read Kaczysnki, nothing you are saying is at all new, and you write poorly and are clearly insecure about being non-white (are you in a white country?).

>>20238895
The White man opens borders, cries about gays and minorities, sucks Jewish dick, gets cucked by niggers, and scapegoats everyone but Jews. See two can play that game? That's not the issue I'm getting at here, disingenuous faggot.
>The White man goes out and conquers, it is his nature.
When the Sintashta did it, one could perhaps see it as noble.
However, when you did it during industrial times, you became worse than even cannibalistic negroes. You pretty much destroyed the entire fucking world!
You stupid fucking snow nigger trash.
Ulrich Horstmann is 100% fucking right.
Go get yourself killed by Abdul. I think they are 100% right to give your race hell at this point.
Stupid fucking arrogant faggot.
In just the past 200-250 years, people are living in ways that have absolutely little to no commonality with the way they were for ~5-6 million years. It's less 0.01 percent of human history.
I wouldn't have to bother talking to your trashy peoples if I were a pastoralist on the mountains or a fisherman by the ocean without the devastating impact of industrialization.

>>20238904
The issue is with industrialization.
Also, it was only R1a whites that were Aryans in ancient times.
These people weren't as glamorous as you think. They were polyandrous.

>>20238953
>absolutely seething shitskin
This post is comedy gold, ahmed. Race and caste are closely related, the upper castes of antiquity were always more white, the lower castes were darker.

>>20238960
Industrialisation is just a result of rampant materialism and democracy. Also, whites are inheritors of the legacy of the noble Aryans, even if you're correct. Write more seetheposting paragraphs, you retarded shitskin. Your ideas are not on the level of Evola's yet, and you're in a white country. Move back to fuckin bangladesh or whatever if you're so mad.

>>20238953
>stop scape-goating!
>it's the white man's fault every non-white nation devolved from Tradition to the most crude materialism in a few decades!

>>20239004
Having lighter skin doesn't mean you are whiter.
The Pe'qin cave samples had blue eyes and blonde hair, yet they still clustered with modern Lebanese and not near Westerners.
My relatives have blue eyes, but they do not racially cluster with you.
You are an arrogant Faustian race who has doomed this entire world with your desire for innovation.
You and Jews are one and the same.
>Industrialisation is just a result of rampant materialism and democracy.
I think it's more than just that, but a superior and noble race would not be the first one to industrialize and spread the cancer around.
>>20239033
It's a natural consequence of industrialization.
You also destroyed yourselves in the process.
It's just best to de-industrialize, but I don't see it as possible at this point outside of nuclear annihilation.

Also, I have light skin and relative with blue eyes, but I do not consider myself white because of PCA autosomal tests. You are arrogant peoples full of hubris and have destroyed the entire world with industrialization while endlessly scapegoating others. Go get raped Tyrone or some shit.

>>20239061
>I'm actually white too guys, m-my relatives have blue eyes!
pathetic

Your pajeet take on materialism and modernity are not even worth engaging with, I don't know what you're doing in an Evola thread since you clearly haven't read him or any Traditionalists, which is to be expected from the inferior castes/races. Also
>You destroyed the entire world!
>stop scapegoating!
More proof you are a dumb shitskin, I started out taking your seriously but at this point it is clear that my prejudices were warranted. You don't have a higher IQ than me either, not that I care about that, just another thing you were wrong about, 3rd world donkey. You don't even have the guts to admit you're in a white country and would probably kill yourself rather than return to whatever shithole mudhut "country" your faggot immigrant parents ran from

>>20239061
lol

>>20239061
All blue-eyed people have a common ancestor from 10,000 years ago, all ancient civilisations were founded by white people. You sound like a 16 year old indian who just read industrial society and its consequences for the first time. btw,
>4000 year old ethnic swedes found mummified in china

>>20239109
>I'm actually white too guys, m-my relatives have blue eyes!
That's not what I said. Don't put words into my mouth, you disingenuous Jew fag. My point was that by working with such a superficial definition of whiteness being based on phenotypes, you run into that kind of issue. It's better to rely on PCA autosomal DNA tests because race is not skin deep.
>3rd world donkey.
It's better that the entire world to have remained third world, never to have invented organization dependent technology. You are an oversocial first world DEMON. Also, donkeys are highly noble creatures, pic-related. Much more noble than your Jew on a stick.
Without industrialization, you would have no issues with crowding, immigration, or anything, and I would have the peace of not hearing your obnoxious and arrogant self-worship. Now go suck that Jew's dick on the cross.
I don't care if you're being raped and dismembered by Abduls. At this point, arrogant people like you deserve it.
>your faggot immigrant parents ran from
I think the people who opened the borders are more to blame.
Now go die for Israel or something or get cucked by Tyrone.

>>20239061
nothing to see here goys, they aren't actually whites, or they dyed their hair or something

>>20239157
It's just superficial phenotypical traits. It doesn't mean anything. Race is not skin-deep. The best means to determine race is PCA autosomal DNA tests like G25.
Also, how do you explain brothers who have different colored eyes?
The obsession with race is trash. In a village of 100-150 people, you don't have to worry about it. It's only an issue brought from modernity and industrialization, which were all mistakes.

>>20239175
>B-BLOND HAIR AND BLUE EYES DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN YOU'RE WHITE, IT'S JUST SUPERFICIAL
Shut up you absolutely retarded pajeet. Of course race is just superficial when you're brown, most people are brown with thick black hair and brown or almost black eyes. Whites are the only race with any variation, or their mutt offspring, which most brown people come from anyways. The genetics and archaeology also show that these people come from the same stock as modern northwestern europeans, you're coping so hard right now it is honestly sad.

>>20226669
The major pillars of western society are not open to fundamental critique. Even at the time that Evola was writing, American University debates were not about opposing views, but were rather two viewpoints which fundamentally agreed on the same Marxist basis, but were debating how far to the left society should be steered.
When the west faces an unpleasant idea, it is black listed from society. One need look no further than Twitter in its current form to see what happens when the journalistic and educational establishment is threatened by an idea.
The west is a collection of hucksters, lying to themselves and everyone else, desperately shilling for money and sniffing each others' farts.

>>20239160
I like how he throws all these empty insults at the white man and none of them stick because they aren't true. But when I point out he is a 3rd world barn animal....which white nation are you living in btw? your parents are more degenerate Westerners than the average white person, assuming they live in a city, which most nonwhites do, because they prefer that sort of lifestyle.
>Mohamed's (pbuh) direct descendant

>>20239192
Your Stormfront tiered bullshit has been rendered obsolete by modern population genetics. However, there were some ancient Central Asians with significant white admixture such as the Sogdians and Bactrians (ranging from 40-60%). Granted, evidence does not show that Ancient Egyptians or Assyrians were white, and I am speaking with impartiality here.
You are acting like an Afrocentrist nigger in trying to claim other peoples' cultural legacies.
>>B-BLOND HAIR AND BLUE EYES DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN YOU'RE WHITE, IT'S JUST SUPERFICIAL
It doesn't mean you're white.
For example, you can have a blonde hair and blue eyed Lebanese person cluster with their own people moreso than Europeans.
The determinate factors of race are not in eye or hair colors. Only a few genes select for them.
Pic related is from a Nature study.

>>20229356
so what isn't, book wise?

>>20237915
even the ideas of lunatics and people who are deemed vile are interesting. If you disagree, you are being intellectually dishonest.

>>20238895
>Yes you are, shitskin. Just accept it, no need to deny it.
I am 100% Northern European. Unlike your swarthy Semitic self.

>>20239213
>It doesn't mean you're white.
Yes it does you retarded shitskin.
>you can have a blonde hair and blue eyed Lebanese person cluster with their own people moreso than Europeans.
And they would be getting the blonde hair and blue eyes from the more ancient and noble white stock, not the mutt mystery meat stock.

Why is it the farther we go back into antiquity the whiter people are? North Africa, Southern Italy and the Mediterranean, most of Asia and Northern India, etc. Now the are all mostly pooskinned and coloured eyes and hair is considered rare and sometimes synonymous with higher caste.

>>20239209
I have relatives that look like that, but they do not genetically cluster with you Faustian Eurocucks. I do not like you people and how you paved the way for mankind's destruction.
I am not encouraging you to become self-loathing or feel guilty. I'm making it clear that there's nothing to be proud of and we're all going to die at this point. We are heading in the direction of brain-cloud interfaces and ozone depletion during the 4th Industrial Revolution.
I refuse to have children. The only real valour at this point is the ancient Egyptian mentality for preparing for a peaceful death.
There is no heroism anymore. The only triumph is to acknowledge defeat in every avenue.
There is no self-realization. It's going to be flooded with subliminal advertisements. Even after 7+ hours of Zazen, my mind would play advertisements.
Every single human being needs to die at this point. I don't even give a damn about the children anymore. Every single last one of you. Everyone is soulless, but Europeans are the ones who started it. It just doesn't make anything better.
Slaughter everyone, including my own kinsmen, but at the end of the day, I would to be the one to choke arrogant faggots like you.

>>20239250
>Why is it the farther we go back into antiquity the whiter people are?
Because of sexual selection and the nature of climate at that specific altitude.
Those Pe'kin Cave samples had no Sintashta steppe admixture even though they were overwhemingly blue eyed and blonde haired.
>~57% of its ancestry from groups related to those of the local Levant Neolithic, ~17% from groups related to those of the Iran Chalcolithic, and ~26% from groups related to those of the Anatolian Neolithic

>>20239255
>but they do not genetically cluster with you Faustian Eurocucks
If you went far back enough they would. Modern Northern and Northwestern Europeans are much closer genetically to ancient meds, middle easterners, north africans, etc. than those living there currently are. You're totally delusional to deny this. You're a weakling cuck of an inferior race, which is why we basically only see the white man leading the charge against globohomo. We are the main characters. Join us as a poc token sidekick or be forgotten.

>>20239213
>For example, you can have a blonde hair and blue eyed Lebanese person cluster with their own people
And these people would therefore be white. Moreso than a group of swarthy Romanians.

>>20239269
So as civilisations devolved, they became less white. Makes perfect sense. We see it happening right now.

>>20239279
>We are the main characters
That's a very Talmudist mentality.
This is why I said you are no different than Jews.
>If you went far back enough they would.
Everyone would, you fucking idiot.
> Modern Northern and Northwestern Europeans are much closer genetically to ancient meds, middle easterners, north africans, etc. than those living there currently are.
No, you're not, you WE WUZZING faggot, but the Sintashta had impressive and laudable influence in Central Asia.
I even praised the Sintashta numerous times, you arrogant Jew-like faggot. It is highly unlikely that ancient Assyrians or Egyptians had much steppe or European admixture though. There are no goddamn chosen races.
>which is why we basically only see the white man leading the charge against globohomo
Most of them are controlled opposition.

>>20239293
>That's a very Talmudist mentality.
Asserting one's will isn't exclusive to Jews.

>>20239286
It's a very Jew'y way to see the world. Basically everyone without blue eyes and blonde hair is a goy/subhuman.

>>20239308
In this superficial manner it is.
The reality is I wouldn't give two shits about you if it weren't for the industrial world order. I would be working the farm or fishing.

>>20239309
>doesn't actually know what judaism is
You're a coping shitskin jealous that you aren't white, while living in a white country, admitting that every ancient civilisation was formed by white people, but then saying they are inferior for some reason. You unironically sound mentally ill, which is what I would expect from someone of an inferior race/caste delving into such matters. I also know I've talked to you before. You are sad.

>>20239317
I'm >>20239308 and I just got here a minute ago and don't really know what y'all are talking about. Just want to say that blonde hair and blue eyes mean you are white.

>>20239317
>founding civilisations and colonising the world through conquering is actually jewish
You're an idiot.

>>20239324
>admitting that every ancient civilisation was formed by white people
I never did. Improve your reading comprehension, you stupid faggot.
You sound like a bot based on Deep Learning algorithms.

>>20239329
What is a white anyways?
If you're going to say ancient Aryans like Sintashta or Yamnaya, NW and E Euros are like 50% ancestrally them. Southern are like 20-30%.
Some Central Asian minorities are 40-50%. Indian Brahmin are like 20-30%. Iranians are like 15-20%.

>>20239333
Oh sorry, they all had white skin, blond or red/brown hair, and blue eyes, but they ackshually weren't white people, they were the same as modern day swarthy lebanese monkeys. Fucking kek, the cope.
>you sound like an ai bot
>everyone is controlled opposition
>i want to die and everyone else to die as well, i will not have kids
>you are jewish if you fight against his and take back your nations
Dude, I'm telling you, you are mentally ill. It is a shame when the inferior races/castes delve into these higher matters when they aren't prepared for it, mental illness is far more likely. You need to be of a superior Brahmin or Ksatriya stock. Sorry my mutt friend.

>>20239350
>What is a white anyways?
figure it out yourself, i already know

>>20226849
I don't know anything about Evola, however that quote & remembering that we apparently can't define a woman is some vindication of him.

>>20239359
Aryan admixture is not proportional to white phenotypes.
There are a lot of individuals with high steppe admixture without light phenotypes.
>Sorry my mutt friend.
I'm probably better off than you, stupid skinhead crypto-kike.

>>20239368
Taking pride in having blue eyes and blonde hair is one of the most Jew'y things you can ever do, you crypto-kike trash. I really don't give a shit about someone's external appearance. That doesn't mean I support opening borders and promoting massive race mixing.

Evola didn't have blue eyes or blonde hair either.

>>20239376
Yet the ancient more noble races were light skinned, blue eyed, blonde haired, etc.

>>20239390
You don't have to have blue eyes or blonde hair, but the superior races did and if you don't you're more likely to be a retarded shudra dog.

>>20239395
Not all of them, you mentally ill Jew.
You stupid WE WUZZING low IQ trash.

>>20239401
>the superior races did
No, they didn't.
Yes, some impressive ancient peoples like the did have high frequency of light phenotypes.
However, that feature was not shared by all civilizations, and likewise, it does not mean shared common origin. It is likely due to sexual selection.
Some theories actually say due to sexual selection among Anatolian Neolithic farmers, lighter features became more prevalent, so it didn't even necessarily come from the Aryans.

>>20239404
Yes all of them. Stop coping dude, it's pathetic. I have a Mensa-certified IQ of 138 and a degree in Engineering Physics that was a waste of time that I don't use. IQ isn't the most important thing either, chinks have high IQs but can't even drive fucking cars without running over children, and they eat literal sewage grease and live baby rats and shit.

>>20239414
>retard obsessed with profane scientific research desperately coping with the fact hat every ancient civilisation was founded by people who were white af
I'm gonna go now, you psycho 3rd worlder.

>>20239421
You are a WE WUZZING, autistic faggot with illusions of grandeur.
Not every single ancient civilizational leader had blue eyes and blonde hair. You don't even see it in ancient European past.
Ton of European writers, authors, and poets had brown hair and eyes btw.
You are worse than an Afrocentrist nigger.
You are incapable of understanding any nuance. Go study some modern population genetics and stop pulling shit out of your ass, you overly arrogant faggot.

>>20235783
>Well there's your problem. Nobody wants to hear any criticism of our hedonistic, soulless society.
Looking on the reverse, does anyone in this thread want to hear criticism of their views?

>>20239425
Go kys, you stupid snow nig faggot. Evola and plenty of other thinkers had brown hair and eyes. I can find the meme and post it for you.
Go actually learn population genetics.

>>20239425

>>20226669
he looks like jordan peterson. if his criticisms are as weak and pedantic as jordan peterson's, I wouldn't be surprised.

>>20239435
>>20239439
>seething this hard because you aren't white
le yikes

>>20239846
he looks like jbp if jbp became a sith lord

>>20240072
I'm seething because I can't live a simple life as a humble farmer or fisherman away from the industrial cancer. I'm stuck doing unethical work that's paving the way for the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

>gives you powers

>>20240171
Move back to buttfuck desert wasteland and become a bedouin goatherder you melodramatic fag

>>20240191
I mean, I'm not a Bedouin, you condescending piece of shit.
I think my ancestral country is being destroyed by environmental issues even more, so that's not an option.
The entire world is in deep shit from industrialization: breakdown of local communities (i.e., people are meant to live in groups of 100-150), overcrowding, massive loss of biodiversity, and so on.

How does it feel that brown Indonesian deep sea divers like Jago, from the documentary Jago: A Life Underwater, are stronger than you? They lived self-reliant lives and didn't develop retarded grandiose complexes like you.

>>20236417
holy fuck wikipedia really is trash

>>20240231
>indonesian
damn, i don't even wanna make fun of you now

>>20240233
it should be updated, it's gotten even worse.

>>20240274
I'm not Indonesian. I just respect them more than you. In the documentary, Jago says he seems more crowding of people now than fish biodiversity among the coral reef.
Western "innovation" has brought nothing but pain to this world.

>>20238542
why do you argue like a hysterical woman

>>20240292
I am not in the right state of mind to type professionally on this shithole of a site right now.

>>20238594
>Indian
>somehow superior to anything

>>20238836
>A problem that the Westerners created
jews are not westerners

>>20240331
this only reveals your true nature. the nature of a hysterical woman. im not saying this trying to offend you btw, its just a reality. if you cant argue like a real man theres something wrong with you deep down, does not matter if you are ready to accept it or not. read otto rahn and try using his meditation techniques. you are too stressed out for your own sake.

>>20240332
>>Indian
>>somehow superior to anything
I don't understand the modern hatred of Indians. The West was fetishizing them a lot during the 70s, and now you are constantly hating them.
The West cannot be relied in any deal it makes with sovereign countries, and it is constantly flip flopping in what new countries it chooses to fetishize and then do historical revisionism to argue they always liked such and such country.
I don't have any particular issue with Indians. Most lived a sustainable life minding their own business. It's industrialization that has led to the shitstorm we're experiencing now.
Also, I think being able to work hard on land or being a deep sea diver is admirable. Jago, for the documentary I referenced, developed some interesting animist views about the ocean during his time as a deep sea diver.
>jews are not westerners
All Westerners are Jews while all Middle Easterners are Arabs. Worship a Jew for over 1000+ years and make monuments that revere the victim consciousness of an irrelevant one, become one.

>>20240346
I'm not arguing like a hysterical woman. It's just a projection of your own gay mind. I recommend getting checked for intestinal parasites. A parasite cleansing using green black walnut tincture can do wonders.

>>20226669
>why isn't he discussed more in the gay pool
this is what you sound like

>>20240359
>The West was fetishizing them a lot during the 70s, and now you are constantly hating them
I hate indians. "The west" does not. I do not represent a group of 1BN+ people.

>Also, I think being able to work hard on land or being a deep sea diver is admirable.
Nothing is preventing you from living such a lifestyle other than yourself. I myself life a pretty rural lifestyle. Also, where are you from? You hate "the west" so much based on jewish values. And no, "becoming one" doesn't exist. These jewish values are parasitic and external to both 'the west' and 'the east' (which is a dumb terminology btw).

>>20240365
You proved yourself to be a hysterical woman. You are mad at shit that doesnt even exist.

>>20240283
>I just respect them more than you
I don't care.

>>20240365
dude you have been here for hours ranting about how much you hate whites (even though you admit the superior ancient civilisations were founded by them) typing long unhinged paragraphs like>>20240359
I've seen you here before too, have you even read Evola? doesn't seem like it.

>>20240383
>I hate indians. "The west" does not. I do not represent a group of 1BN+ people.
It's just certain generational trends I've noticed. No other people change their views on countries as drastically as the West based on generational trends, but that may be due to industrialization.
>I myself life a pretty rural lifestyle.
Good for you.
>These jewish values are parasitic and external to both 'the west' and 'the east' (which is a dumb terminology btw).
It's not solely Jewish. It came from Enlightenment era thinkers like Hegel too. It's rooted in the idea of "human civilizational progress". No such thing exists.
Jews like Yuval Noah Harari are, indeed, up to no good. Everything he says here is true though and the direction we're heading:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuL3wlodJC8
>You are mad at shit that doesnt even exist.
Evola would probably like me more than you faggots even though I am anti-Western in disposition. I wouldn't give a shit about the West if it weren't for industrialization. I wouldn't even be here!
I'm just disposable fodder for the elite. A code monkey of the highest order. Have fun with injectable self-assembling neural meshes being forced upon all of us in the future. Everyone will be connected to a brain-cloud interface.
I've been plagiarized, lied to, and more by both libtard and cuckservatives. You're all trash people. You don't know virtue. I have never met a single snow nig to help me out if money was not allowed. In fact, I was plagiarized by a mongrelized one.

>>20240395
I don't hate whites. I just hate both the self-loathing and cocky ones. Read that sentence three times. I hate BOTH self-loathing and cocky ones. Why? Because of all these issues **BEGAN** with your peoples. Yes, everyone is complicit to a large degree, but they **BEGAN** with what your ancestors brought to this world.

>>20240421
>not allowed.
no involved*

>>20240421
>>20240431
What race are you?

>>20240391
And I don't give a fuck that you hate everyone but Westerners and Japanese.
People minded their own businesses before industrial times. They didn't go around thinking about other cultures excessively. They were more rooted in their own. It's always you faggots going on and on about others.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day Japan goes against the West and then you go back to hating them too.
Everything is to just a meme for you faggots with no nuance or substance. Nothing you believe or do is sincere.
All of you are NPCs, every last one of you. All of you are asleep with your hubris.
The best person is the one who is neither self-loathing nor arrogant.

>>20240446
*dabs*

>>20240437
Why does it matter to you? Damn my race to hell too. They're all trash. Everyone is trash in the modern world.
Genuine tradition has been dead for a long time.
True honor and integrity died a long time ago.
Just look at Ukraine. Stupid Nazis working under a Jewish president. That's your future, always making compromises with k*kes.
A pathetic peoples full of hubris, but it's not like my shit peoples is any better.
All I want is to live a fulfilled life as a humble farmer or fisherman. Instead here I am endlessly programming and talking to arrogant faggots who think they can make a difference during a scamdemic, fake war, stratospheric aerosol injection, overcrowding, destruction of ozone layer, gradual push to "Internet of Bodies", and much more. We're moving in the direction of Human 2.0 and here you think Evola can make a difference.
Being born as a bird or cetacean would have been fine too, but here I am constantly having people scream shitskin at me. A joke, this entire life is a fucking joke. But I don't joke like Cioran. I get angry, I hold it in, and just manage it somehow.

>>20240468
Just wondering, if you're so virtuous why don't you just say it?

>>20240475
Because it doesn't matter.

>>20240502
it does.

>>20240421
again, anon. "east" and "west" are prety vague. we are not in the cold war anymore. be more specific. im not against racism, its just that it should not be done in a dumb way. you have a fucking shitty outlook at life. life is amazing. create a family, get a hobby, life has real meaning outside of politics bullshit.

t. westerner

hate me all you want, idgaf and i dont even know what race are you, but your hatred is too vague to even lead you anywhere. you are focusing too much on labels instead of real shit.

>>20240535
At the end of Ted Kaczysnki's manifesto, he said there were four civilizational spheres: European, Islamic, Indian, and Far Eastern.
He also said something about how Europe became dynamic to make it industrialized. Before industrialization, all four cultural spheres were relatively equal in terms of tools and agriculture or so. Yes, there were differences but not to that large of an extent evolutionary speaking.

What I'm wondering what were the large psychological and ideological trends that led to industrialization on the European side? Oversocialization had to be a reason, but there had to be more complex reasons too.

Industrialization was a mistake. It has to led to loss of tradition, breakdown of communal integrity, loss of self-reliant ways of living, movement of invasive species, countless ecological problems and pollutants, and more.

If Europeans were the first ones to industrialize and the other three cultural spheres picked it up, then they all share a blame of the burden. However, Europe, was the first one to bring it to this world. Therefore, you are the progenitors of the REAL Original Sin. I wonder if the other three would have ever industrialized without Western influence.

Ted Kaczynski was a better think Evola. I don't think the latter said a single valuable thing as we're genuinely heading in the direction of genetic engineering. The vax was testing new genetic engineering and injectable self-assembling nano neuralbots. In the future, they will try to connect our minds to the clouds with brain-cloud interfaces. It's over.

>>20240555
you do know that, both ted and evola are westerners, right? and therefore they also share the "real original sin"? and i wont fall for any demoralization bullshit, life is what you make of it. be a warrior against the system, not a conformed sheep. the "westerner" system you hate so much only wins if you let it.

>>20238542
>I highly recommend you commit suicide.
You sound like a salty bitch

>>20240568
It was probably possible before Microsoft Azure and Amazon AWS databases. They are spreading across the entire world and have redundant systems of storage that can prevent blackout. They have constantly deep learning algorithms learning from all of our stored conversations. They can most likely help make predictions that can help globalists like WEF maintain power.
At this point, they are always one step ahead of us. As Ukraine showed, they can even create fake (controlled) opposition.
I don't see any real solution outside of becoming disenchanted in humanity; the only real nobility is in accepting the loss. There is no real valor or victory anymore. If anything, this should make people attack humanism more than anything.

>>20238953
>fucking snow nigger trash.
I'm not even white but racism like this is a modern disease that is totally unnatural. Don't babble and bark like a dog you imbecile.

>>20240581
I was called a shitskin, so I retorted by saying snow nigger.

>>20240577
>us
no. you are an "easterner" i am a "westerner". for you, im just snow trash. we are ENEMIES according to your ideas. if you want to become a blackpilled loser, thats entirely on you. shame on the east, i guess. life is what you make of it, you can either be a warrior or a pussy. i dont give a fuck about the databases, about the police, about the ZOG, they can try to catch me if they want. they arent able to, though. because im not a pussy. there is no "solution", as becoming disenchanted wont change anything except for your own little world view. there is no nobility in accepting a loss, this is what pussies do, not real men. when its time to fight, you go with your fists up even if you know you may lose. because this is what people should do when times get tough. this is real victory.

>>20240589
I was being polite and not mentioning the several times you advocated for whites to be raped and killed. Don't act like a dog.

>>20240591
"Losing is satori. Winning is illusion.

Not coveting a single thing is the greatest gift you can give to the universe."
-- Kodo Sawaki

>>20240600
he is easterner. according to you he is my enemy and sees me as sno trash. i wont listen to him. i will, however, listen to westerners who say you should put up a fight before getting beaten up. and this is what im doing, everyday, just by existing and doing shit that makes the ZOG weaker. no, accepting loss isnt virtuous.

>>20240608
>ZOG weaker.
Unfortunately, they are stronger than ever.
>>20240597
But what about the times you were justifying enslaving and massacring non-whites?
I mean, historically speaking, war is normal and fine, but my response makes sense in that light. Retaliation happens too, you know.

>>20240615
maybe they are strong. this doesnt mean shit, though. you have hyperborean wisdom that lies deep in your spirit for times like this. live fearless like some hispanic teenager from san antonio who gets drunk at convenience stores and has 3 children, just dont fall for the vague demoralization bullshit. also, buy goats. they provide great source of food. if possible, choose a profitable race. here where i live, you can get a lot of money from the milk. i started 2 months ago and already am seeing profits.

>>20240627
the guy you are replying to is mentally ill and blackpilled, not worth your time

>>20240615
>But what about the times you were justifying enslaving and massacring non-whites?
Wasn't me

>>20240627
>>20240673
I think there may be some truth to what Christopher Jon Bjerknes says. There is some kind of Kabbalah'ist Freemason elite that play with extreme dichotomies in order to maintain control in the West. Right now they are promoting self-loathing open-border leftists, but I have a feeling they will allow for a controlled far right uprising like in Ukraine. They will give off the appearance there are no Jews in the ranks, but there will be a few crypto ones. It's possible Hitler was likewise controlled opposition.
I kind of worry about this possibility and am considering to leave, but I have to move all of my assets and don't know where to go. I also have to be committed in my decision and learn the language. Everywhere seems to have unique kinds of problems, but I see the social situation in the West as artificially engineered and largely deliberate. It may as well flip to the opposite extreme.

>>20234448
>he's stuck in 2016

>>20240615
>But what about the times you were justifying enslaving and massacring non-whites?
Nobody is doing that. Slavery is fine too, quit moralfagging. If you lived 4000 years ago non-whites were being enslaved and colonised regularly. Humanism and democracy are degenerate modern concepts, you're in an Evola thread.

>>20240185
>they don't know

>>20240687
>3rd worlder running away "for a better life" once again
You are pathetic and the reason I have so little respect for most of your kind. I will stay here fighting until the end on principle. White men are like that. I may even die a kissless virgin with no friends or family on my side. I will not yield. I'm not a coward like you.

>>20240627
Fuckin based.

>>20240734
I'm not a leftist.
I'm just claiming that prevention is the best solution.
I'm not an idiot. I know the dangers in opening borders and accepting hordes of immigrants with incompatible cultures or whatever.
However, I think this was all intended. Even the backlash is intended. That's what the power of data, exploratory analyses, and machine learning predictive models can do. You're a fool if you think any of these movements organically emerge. Nothing happens organically anymore: it's like a more advanced thesis vs antithesis controlled opposition.
Read the document "Spooky Business" to get an idea of just how much subversion and "social engineering" goes on in the background. That one is about security firms sabotaging nonprofit organizations, but there is a deeper layer with advertisements and CIA and globalists utilizing subliminal messages.
There can be no "bettering" anything outside of the collapse of the industrial order and going back to pre-industrial times. Ted is right about this.
Humanism and democracy were failures, but they ultimately came from your cultural spheres. That's why my original point is that all these issues **BEGAN** with you, but I'm not saying other peoples weren't responsible either. My parents, for example, were retarded to move here. Now, all your civilizational problems, are equally mine, but I cannot lie that I am not as emotionally invested in it as others.
I simply do not want to die in some kind of retarded massacre, hence why I have no kids and realize just how doomed the situation is. I do not want to be pulled into more bullshit, and I find a lot of things suspicious in the modern age.
For example, someone claims to be getting into Rosicrucianism. This I find highly suspicious for a number of reasons given how prevalent it is among lower degree Masons.

>>20240754
I would agree I would be pathetic if I were to have children.
>I will stay here fighting until the end on principle. White men are like that. I may even die a kissless virgin with no friends or family on my side. I will not yield. I'm not a coward like you.
It is better never to have fought than to be manipulated. You WILL be manipulated at this point, which is my point. True heroism is dead.
You underestimate modern surveillance technologies and methods of behavioral manipulation.

>>20240760
>there is a deeper layer with advertisements and CIA and globalists utilizing subliminal messages.
I lost the article on that one from a senator talking about how social engineers work for multinational industries and help change frequency of cues pertaining to social deviancy prior to periods of economic downturn.
I wouldn't be surprised if they post here either for complex psychological operations. They might also use bots with more advanced algorithms than GPT-3.

>>20226769
Astutepilled.
Now watch all the /pol/niggers be incapable of explaining why Heidegger, a literal card-carrying nazi, is widely discussed in academia, without admitting that this is because Heidegger is profound and interesting to intelligent people, whereas the non-retarded parts of Evola are just a potpourri of the most banal points found in pretty much any philosopher critical of modernity from 1850-1960, and the rest of the cringy shit about "le Kali Yuga" is just incel cope.

>>20227441
this tard thinks alchemy was about turning lead into gold

>>20226669
Cuz he's le heckin' Nazi.

>>20226669
Evola was just a commentator. He brought nothing new. No reason for academics to discuss his works when they could just discuss the works Evola was borrowing from.

>>20240777
Heidegger is neither widely discussed nor profound, nor was he even a Nazi. Nazi officials basically laughed at him in his teaching post and let him go due to how fangless he was.

>>20240866
>Heidegger is neither widely discussed
I love it when you reveal you have no idea what you're talking about in the very first 5 words, because then I don't even have to bother with the rest of your post.

>>20240882
He's not, but more than Evola, which is not saying much. Hegel, Kant, even some of the newer analytics are cited a lot more than Heidegger.

>>20240886
>He's not, but more than Evola, which is not saying much. Hegel, Kant, even some of the newer analytics are cited a lot more than Heidegger.

This is the absolute cringe.
Heidegger is the most influential continental philosopher of the past 100 years bar none. There is 70+ straight years of French and German philosophy that is nothing but a rehash or a reaction to Heidegger. The scholarship is so wide that even Oxford, the high seat of analytical autism, has a tenured professor whose area of expertise is Heidegger.
Saying that Heidegger is not discussed because Hegel and Kant are bigger is such a basic fallacy that I think you incapable of reasoning.
Just stop replying, not reading it, not worth my time.

>>20226769
>>20240777
Lying sociopaths.

>>20226849
>his Wikipedia is shit, that means he's right!!!11
Is there a more retarded take? Every Wikipedia article is butchered.

>>20236412
>>20236445
>>20237799
Thanks.

>>20226669
new chart
r8

>>20242331
incredibly based

>>20227849
This is probably the most effortpost take of him here. I agree. Well that also the joos and wahmen probably doesn't help either. His most interesting view is his wholesale rejection of existentialism

>>20230709
Yes, however that is in tandem with very serious and exacting considerations, so drugs cannot be said to be the only thing allowing for the initiation.
They can be used as a tool, but not with any amount of callousness.

>>20240948
>There is 70+ straight years of French and German philosophy that is nothing but a rehash or a reaction to Heidegger.
I love it when you reveal you have no idea what you're talking about in the very first 5 words, because then I don't even have to bother with the rest of your post.

>>20242331
I am pained to see Guenon and Nietzsche on the same chart. Nietzsche is absolutely a force of the counter tradition and is to many points of Guenon, the exact opposite.

>>20242534
Actually I retract this, I was not really paying attention to what you were doing with the chart, what you have here is good.

>>20242545

>>20242545
It takes a strong man to admit his mistakes

>>20242331
This is a lotta books. Is there a summary somewhere like a wikipedia page or something?

>>20243192
the guenon and nietzsche books are relatively light reads with the exception of Will to Power and Reign of Quantity

I suppose this video will allow you to skip Nietzsche core
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIp6MM6txg

>>20243214
>I suppose this video will allow you to skip Nietzsche core
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIp6MM6txg
I don't mind watching philosophy videos but is the content actually Nietzsche's philosophy and thoughts or just an interpretation of his ideas?

>>20243228
it's pretty solid anon

>>20243238
Thanks.

>>20242331
This is good

>>20242331
>>20236445
Which chart is better?

>>20243274
as the creator of the one with guenon and nietzsche i would recommend that one. I tried following the Evola-only chart a couple years ago and got filtered my first time around. you will have a much easier time comprehending Evola's work if you have a solid foundation of Guenonian thought.
all the other evola books not listed are niche books anyway (Buddhism, Shaktism, War, Race, magic, Hermeticism, Arthurian /lit/, and so forth) so you can read whatever interests you there

>>20242550
Hey its the Guenon-pilled Italian American anon. Nice to see you again

>>20226959
Metaphysics of War as well. We're very familiair but the materialistic form of racism that was propagated by the Nazi's. But thinkers like Spengler and Evola thought about racism in spiritual terms. In German, the word race also has that connotation. You would hear something to the tone of: he is a 'race' soccer player, or she is a 'race' mother. But still, these racial characteristics are typical of certain physical 'races'. So you will never escape the physical characteristics of 'race'. But, like Spengler, I would find it near impossible to not think about cultures in such terms as their spiritual 'racial' characteristics.

>>20243750
ohhhh likewise!
every /trad/ chad is a friend of mine

haven't been on /lit/ much lately desu
what are you reading now?

>>20243792
A book of essays called 'The Betrayal of Tradition'. Its got some good stuff on it

>>20243803
aussiebro?
>The Betrayal of Tradition
never heard of it but i've seen youtube vids of the author. I think he was in a guenon video where they interviewed a bunch of trad authors which led me to watch some of his vids.
also sick cover

im not reading anything /trad/ right now. im combing through some Nietzsche with a /trad/ lens to see what are the counter-traditional elements that need to be pruned and what are the based elements that are valid and based.

>>20243853
>im combing through some Nietzsche with a /trad/ lens to see what are the counter-traditional elements that need to be pruned and what are the based elements that are valid and based.
Hence the chart I imagine, good work with that by the way. Also im not 'aussiebro', sorry to disappoint

>>20243862
>good work with that by the way
I appreciate it, some /pol/tards wanted to get redpilled on Ride the Tiger but it's hard to teach them about it with little understanding of Guénonian Tradition so I made a chart
>im not 'aussiebro', sorry to disappoint
ah no worries, Oldmeadow is an aussie so I thought maybe he was exploring his fellow countryman's work.

so what's the qrd on the book? is it like an overview of the /trad/ school basically?

>>20243895
>some /pol/tards wanted to get redpilled on Ride the Tiger but it's hard to teach them about it with little understanding of Guénonian Tradition so I made a chart
good, although I often feel that place is beyond saving

>what's the qrd on the book? is it like an overview of the /trad/ school basically?
Not really. Its a series of essays on specific topics about the modern age and a more Traditional perspective on each. Topics such as Democracy, Feminism, the sesacralization of work, the concept of 'progres'' etc. Some of them are excellent, though most of the ones in the last section can to be a bit weak

>>20243947
*desacralization of work
sorry, bit tired

>>20243947
>I often feel that place is beyond saving
/pol/ aint /pol/ anymore. anons there don't even read Mein Kampf anymore. sad!

>book
Nice, maybe i'll check it out once I dive into Schuon/core/ this summer.
you recommend it or nah?

>>20243978
>anons there don't even read Mein Kampf anymore
That doesnt surpirse me, though it is sad to see how far it has fallen

>>20243978
>you recommend it or nah?
Yes but as a low priority. There is probably nothing in there of great significance that we dont know already, but it is a to have these small concise essays on the topics to hand.

Hope you enjoy Schuon, though beware he can be a mixed bag, as well the fact that even people like Nasr dont want to associate themselves with his name anymore

>>20244010
>Yes but as a low priority.
okay good to know desu
>Hope you enjoy Schuon
I live near his grave so I feel obligated to get through his books and pay my respects before I move in a few months

anyways, i'm signing off for the night. talk soon homie

>>20244027
Have a good night anon

>>20243792
Thanks for the Evola's Notes on the Third Reich rec the other week.