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What should I read to understand "the system" or "the machine"? I want to understand why the world is the way it is, why the political system is such a mess and why globalism and foreign policy is the way it is

>> No.20218347

The modern world system - Wallerstein
Empire - negri
La politique comparee - Badie
Diplomacy - Kissinger
Clash of civilizations - huntington

>> No.20218348

all of history can be explained in one book

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>>20218295
Henry Kissingers World Order and Diplomacy.

>> No.20218395

>>20218295
Gravity's Rainbow

>> No.20218402

Everything boils down to money and neanderthalian hoarder instinct. All else is just so much subterfuge

>> No.20218405

>>20218347
Very cool thanks friend

>> No.20218406

Understanding Media by Marshall McLuhan. Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson would also help insofar as it explains individual motivations.

>> No.20218408

>>20218402
So wealth of nations and tragedy of the commons?

>> No.20218434

>>20218408
Definitely a solid start

>> No.20218452

>>20218295
A 5-10 minute conversation with the dwellers of shitholes like Connecticut will tell you more than any book. There isn't a single higher order concept in their mind. They have risen to the top because they are solely consumed by materialism and they only speak of the material realm. You couldn't hope to fake their sincere passion over the scoreboard of dollars earned, cars and homes owned, and destinations traveled to. To call them juvenile is an insult to sportsball thralls. At least sportsball has narratives. They make for incredibly shit company, but they do serve their purpose of shattering the illusion of the allure to chase material gain.

>> No.20218505

>>20218452
Meds

>> No.20218544

>>20218347
Great recs. Anymore like these?

>> No.20218567

>>20218505
He's right though, these people don't read. Maybe you should read some Foucault though.

>> No.20218578

>>20218295
Michael Hudson Super Imperialism

>> No.20218617

>>20218578
Good rec, thanks

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>>20218452
>materialism le bad

>> No.20218796

>>20218452
These people have no power or impact or influence at all. I don't care about them or what they think. I want to understand states and civilizations and the relationships between then

>> No.20218815

>>20218767
Anything to an excess and the exclusion of all else is bad. Especially wojacks.

>> No.20218841

>>20218796
These people own and run the multinational corporations that are more powerful than states and civilizations. Remember how no amount of science and research mattered when the airline ceo said the ruling was too harsh? Industrialized activity creates machines of commerce populated by cog workers. Government and citizen activity is but a farce compared to the lion's share of all human activity organized by industry. Especially government which is either pointless theater with badly skilled actors or a part of the machine itself. There is no larger plan behind globohomo. It's just various shades of making numbers go up and propaganda techniques to achieve this. Not number go up forever even, just number go up as fast as possible.

>> No.20218846

>>20218796
Spengler and yockey

>> No.20218852

>>20218295
idk huuh...maybe...Xi Jinping's biography?

>> No.20218885

>>20218295
no western leader would ever do something this human
like when he greeted the pigeon

>> No.20219016

>>20218885
>the pigeon
What?

>> No.20219034

>>20218295
People are born and have reality coded onto them through language by other people who influence them. This process continues until you are too old to perform cognition. The people who are most influential are the most manipulative and have the most power. These people encode reality to the highest degree. Over time this creates culture and contributes to society once a certain threshold is reached. Now we have the internet and culture can be encoded without the need of an influential person but through subconscious messaging and symbolism. Everything is fucked because fundamentally humans are flawed and too selfish. Nothing functions properly because at the root of it is selfishness. And also, there is no truth in anything that is a system of beliefs, so it can be deconstructed and shown to not work.

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Read Marx

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I insist that you read this, and become a racist, like me!

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A history book will tell you quite a bit

>*dramatic music intensifies*

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the Chuckgavad Sneeda

>> No.20219109

>>20218295
Simulacra and Simulation - Jean Baudrillard

Propaganda - Jaques Ellul

Thinking Fast and Slow - Daniel Kahneman

the last one is just to understand how the first 2 affect every humans brain and outlook on the world. all i can offer, sorry, anom

>> No.20219117

>>20218767
If you value externals, the only thing you can do in the end is lose everything.

>> No.20219135

Why does it feel like there is a concerted effort amongst all but one anon in this thread to not mention Marx. Marx answers all of this and more.

>> No.20219153

>>20218390
Kissinger's Diplomacy is a terrible book lol
>>20218452
I actually live in Connecticut ask me anything bros

>> No.20219158

>>20219071
>>20219109
Yeah you just need to know history and know how humans work, there's no great mystery to it.

>> No.20219163

>>20218348
Alright I'll bite ; which one ?

>> No.20219172

>>20219135
>Marx answers all of this and more.

Yikes.

>> No.20219187

>>20219135
The very first reply had several neomarxists

>> No.20219231

>>20219163
Obviously Dianetics. Putin is actually the secret offspring of L. Ron Hubbard and is in a desperate struggle against Lord Xenu who is trying to enslave all Thetans

>> No.20219238

https://mises.org/library/great-fiction/html/c/798
Essay by Hoppe that explains why states lead to war and why the US is the top power right now

>> No.20219240

>>20218295
Read the last book of Plato's Republic. It's all a cycle.

>> No.20219277

>>20219117
You're just looking for any angle from which to defend the idea that there's something inherently noble or spiritual about poverty. It's contrarian nonsense.

>> No.20219307

>>20219153
>Kissinger's Diplomacy is a terrible book lol
why

>> No.20219309

>>20219238
>why states lead to war
Without states you'd just have private wars between resourceful persons and families. But someone might get really good at these private wars. Eventually he will develop a system of recruiting among the various families and communities he's extended his reach over, and use these extensions of his sovereignty to enforce his will on increasingly distant people. He will have rules in place, if you will, that in exchange for not being raided or attacked, you must pay him tribute in whatever you have that is valuable. Other such persons will be doing the same thing in the places he couldn't quite get to. But there may be places where they bump into each other and things get rather tense. Why should he have to buy off someone else—they are supposed to pay HIM for the right to be left alone. This cannot stand. War begins

>> No.20219328

>>20219307
>>20219153
Also want to know why. I've heard it's dated but still good

>> No.20219342

>>20219231
give me the rundown on L. Ron Hubbard, where do I start?

>> No.20219350

>>20219307
>>20219328
It's EXTREMELY basic bitch and also leads readers to wrong conclusions. For example Kissinger emphasizes American 'isolationism' leading up to World War 2 while completely ignoring the Mexican-American War, Sewell's ambitions to annex Canada after the Civil War and his purchase of Alaska, the Spanish-American war, participation in suppressing the Boxer rebellion, etc. It's just a very poor take on American history in general, the kind of thing they feed to naive high school students. I just cannot recommend it at all.

>> No.20219356

>>20219238
Humans lead to war. What a dumb take.

>> No.20219358

>>20219117
sour grapes

>> No.20219406

>>20219350
Can I read it if I don't give a single fuck about American history?

>> No.20219407

>>20219172
>>>/r/eddit
>>20219187
what does that have to do with marx

>> No.20219416

>>20219406
No, it's mostly about American foreign policy and history, not diplomacy in general.

>> No.20219457

>>20218295
"The history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of class struggle."
Historical, socio-cultural analysis.Guess who.

>> No.20219462

>>20219457
It's not though since governments don't give a shit about classes other than lip service

>> No.20219469

>>20219071
Based, love Mark Felton

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>>20219462
The underlying mechanisms all point to it. Why do lobbyists exist? Super-PACs? Why do all the big corps make these shitty anti-union videos and advertisements?

>> No.20219559

>>20219479
For money for them and no one else

>> No.20219593

Seeing Like a State
After Tamerlaine
Decline of the West
Icarus Fallen

>> No.20219744

>>20219593
Thanks friend

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>> No.20220170

>>20219479
This is based with how audacious it is.

>> No.20220177

>>20220170
Pretty sure it's illegal under the NLRA

>> No.20220190

>>20219559
Now you're starting to get it.

>> No.20220393

Daniil andreev roza mira

>> No.20220512
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Your thread could be re-phrased "What books contain the best intelligence reports" I like it. Here's my effort.

1. The Coming War by Erich Ludendorff
2. The World Conquerors by Louis Marschalko
3. Onward Christian Soldiers by Donald Day
4. The Passing of the Great Race by Madison Grant
5. The Racial Prospect by Seth K. Humphrey
6. The Brief for the Prosecution by C.H. Douglas
7. something on mind control--"The Science of Coercion" or "The Rape of the Mind" "Shadow Men," maybe

>> No.20220597

>>20220512
hahahahahahahahaha

>> No.20220602

>>20219057
I was filtered by the beginning, so god damn boring

>> No.20220606

>>20219163
The bible

>> No.20220704

>>20220512
yeah i don't think that's what i'm looking for

>> No.20220714

>>20220512
These are some interesting recs. I also recommend Quigley, Lothrop Stoddard, Whittaker Chambers' Witness, Bella Dodd's School of Darkness.

>> No.20220726

>>20218347
I have World Systems Theory by Wallerstein, have had it for a long time, is it worth trudging through?

>> No.20220760

>>20220726
Wondering the same thing

>> No.20220768

>>20220726
i want to know if anyone has read all 4 volumes of The Modern World System and if it's worth it

>> No.20220807

>>20218347
Add the following:
A History of Central Banking
Culture of Critique
+ Anything about Freemasons, the NWO, etc.

>> No.20220810

>>20220726
Wasn't Wallerstein partly influenced by Braudel? I remember reading that somewhere

What I've heard of him kind of reminds me of Ranke's theory of power blocs and hegemons, I bet if you search Wallerstein and Ranke on google books you'll find a summary of them that you can use to test your interest

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The Jews and Their Lies

>> No.20220832

>>20220830
If you want to go the Jew route, Politics of Nonassimilation is a good book

>> No.20220904

>>20219277
I'm not glorifying poverty at all, I'm middle class and enjoy its comforts, but to be "A materialist" and to value externals above all can only end in utter ruin, by definition. It's a dead end philosophy.

>> No.20220956

>>20220704
You haven't read the first three then if that's what you think

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>>20218295

>> No.20221377

>>20218452
Is travel materialistic? Should I avoid travel?

>> No.20221401

>>20221377
Who cares. It's fun if you have the means to.

>> No.20221423

>>20218347
Holy fucking cringe.
Go back.
>>20218405
Don't fall for that retard

>> No.20221431

>>20221423
Why? Seems pretty eclectic and balanced. Are you just reacting to Negri and Hardt being leftists?

>> No.20221433

>>20219158
Which is why /lit/ is retarded.

>> No.20221437

>>20221317
Stop. Worst fucking chart ever.

>> No.20221450

>>20221431
>neocon garbage
>balanced

>> No.20221831

>>20219479
Unions are coming to save workers? They are tools of political parties in most countries

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>>20219479
>a new video game system with the latest hits sounds like fun
it used to be

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>>20218295
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1917/imperial/

>> No.20222527

>>20221831
Not always

>> No.20222718

>>20218767
it pretty much is, the entire concept of historical materialism denies a prime mover and is harmful to moral discourse.

>> No.20222729

>>20222718
not only this but ontologically, it implies if something came from nothing and everything is a result of physical action, then all morals are based only upon the presumption of consequences, that is, the result of things happening, and not why they're wrong in the first place

>> No.20222740

>>20218295
Read financial media. Chomsky quote is gay i do actually read financial media.

>> No.20222744

>>20222740
Just checked and it says Musk wants to completely buy Twitter
Based or cringe?

>> No.20222751

>>20222744
Read about the pervasive succession crisis threatening japans economy for starters.

>> No.20222792

>>20221437
What's wrong with it?

>> No.20222834

>>20222751
Got any links my dude?

>> No.20222842
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>>20218295
Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin

>> No.20222885

>>20222842
Isn't he a meme?

>> No.20222919

>>20222885
Not now. Putin literally quotes him

>> No.20223360

>>20221872
Haven't experienced that feel in over a decade

>> No.20223372

>>20222919
if so that's bad news for us. I stopped following Dugin after I realized he had no plans for the west exception destruction, so I can't see myself supporting his ideas, however, I have my own worldview and writings which outline a practical vision for the Atlanticist powers in the aftermath of war or revolution.

>> No.20223384

>>20221450
hate to say it but most neocons have the power, so they're able to make clear distinctions about what is and what's not considered the operations of government machinery. that being said, I despise what they stand for.

>> No.20223431

The complete works of Thomas Ruggles Pynchon Jr.

>> No.20223522

>>20223372
>I have my own worldview and writings
Post them. I'd be interested in reading

>> No.20223558

>>20218295
the real elite get into schools because their family owns a double-digit percentage of the school. don't fool yourself into thinking our ruling class even approaches a meritocracy, either on its own terms or in relation to its host society. like I don't even need to pull out the canard about people with phds being dumb as shit, because the situation with our ruling elites is even more dire than that
like what you're saying here, is analogous to asserting that the pedophile warlords of northern afghanistan that the taliban recently kicked the shit out of, are typically better educated than the farmers whose crops and children they steal. that is a direct comparison. that is the same thing

People wonder how the mass cullings and executions of classes of people happened in historical revolutions, like how could anyone get heated enough to burst into houses and commit lynchings and executions on otherwise innocent people.
My best answer is, imagine everyday of every second of your life you are lorded over by people like this and their helpers, only they don't even have to disguise their gross indignation and wealth under the pretext of humanitarianism or meritocracy. The resentment of eons of institutionally enforced elitism and one-way antagonism has to go someone where, and in the rare cases in history where revolutions prevailed it would go right through the skulls of the smug-fucks who curated the resentment of the masses.

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>>20219135
Because you have to be 18 to post here.

>> No.20223626

>>20218295
Limits to Growth

>> No.20223633

>>20218295
Imagine being at a public meeting, serving as President of a world power, and being so engrossed with filling up the space inside a paperclip holding official documents

>> No.20223645

>>20223558
Thank god the elites are fucking retarded otherwise we would be eating the bugs by now

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>>20223617
>Voltaire
>again

>> No.20223880

>>20223633
It's a deep fake, dummy

>> No.20223888

>>20223558
I went to an Ivy League and my family isn't rich or powerful, I just got good grades and test scores
You are assuming it's some "sikrit club" or something. Literally half of campus is Asian

>> No.20223902

>>20218295
Hope and Tragedy.

>> No.20223929

Marx's Capital. ALL 3 volumes. No bullshit.
David Graeber's entire bibliography, but specifically Debt.
Braudel's Capitalism series.
Hobsbawm's 4 book series
Culture of Critique (the jew problem is real, deal with it)
The Golden Bough

If you read and understand these, you will be depressed for now knowing how bad things really are, but you will also be smarter than 99.999% of the people on earth.

I'm not even a Marxist, I tend to lean more right wing, but Marxist history books are the only history books that actually admit that things are fucked up.

>> No.20223986

>>20223929
How can you accept the Marxist analysis of why the status quo is wrong and still be right wing?
It's like agreeing with Spinoza and still being a devout Christian.

>> No.20223991

>>20223929
Only Marxist history books say things are bad? Right wing historiography is way more catastrophic, apocalyptic in fact

>> No.20223992

>>20223986
I am racist

>> No.20224002

>>20223986
I've done the latter. Its ok to be contradictory sometimes

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>>20223992
Which still doesn't make sense with being right wing as, from a materialist perspective, no right wing ideology actually gives a fuck about race other than the extreme right using it as rhetoric for the low IQs.
I also feel a bit conflicted with the fact that you are basing your politics on identity predicates when Marxist theory clearly states how shallow and useless idpol is.

>> No.20224041

>>20223986
>How can you accept the Marxist analysis of why the status quo is wrong and still be right wing?
he doesn't

>> No.20224051

>>20218295
U/Acc Primer ignore all other answers

>> No.20224093

>>20223929
>I'm not even a Marxist, I tend to lean more right wing, but
Thanks for clarifying, I almost assumed you were worthy of being taken seriously

>> No.20224099

>>20224051
this legit

>> No.20224147

>>20223986
There are uncomfortable realities that the left refuses to admit.
They can say "capitalism is fucked yo" and "history was a mistake."
But they can't say negroes are subhuman savages and jews are literal demonspawn on earth.
When there is an ideology that combines left-wing analysis with right wing realism, call me.

>> No.20224152

>>20224147
You could have just said I'm racist but you like to use a lot of words

>> No.20224162
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The Dictator's Handbook.
There's a YouTube video that explains the basics in about 20 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

>> No.20224184

>>20224152
Fuck off you passive agressive worm.

>> No.20224196

>>20224152
There is literally nothing wrong with being racist. It's how we evolved for 498,000 years of history.
"Refugees welcome" is how the enemy tribe would pillage your town and rape your family.

>> No.20224214

>>20224196
pathetic naturalistic fallacy from a midwit

>> No.20224218

>>20219153
How was your bar mitzvah?

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>>20224147
Except that would literally go against the logic of the system which again dictates how identity predicates are secondary to materialist class analysis.
You can't synthesise the two because the dialectics of leftism negates the possibility of racist nonsense, it's like expecting atheism and religion to find a middle ground which just isn't how dialectics work.
>>20224196
Racism as is understood today has little to no relation with how we evolved or whatever, neighboring tribes and brigands of your own race would loot, rape and pillage your town which made people paranoid not of the other because of their racial purity or some nonsense, but because of their willingness towards violence.
Read Locke.

>> No.20224245

>>20224222
Locke was one of the biggest retards who ever lived and 97-98% of the problems of clown world can directly be traced back to him. Liberalism and democracy are both unnatural and have to go.

>> No.20224254

>>20218295
unironically Marx and Lenin

>> No.20224258

this midwit simply cannot let go of his naturalistic faggotry lmao

>> No.20224259

>>20224245
you're thinking of J.S. Mill. he was the first philosopher to openly advocate feminism

>> No.20224266

>>20224147
National Bolshevism it is, then
>>20224152
sir this is a literature board

>> No.20224309

>>20224259
Mill was bad too. He was basically the Ayn Rand of his day.
But Locke was where it all began.
>dude we all have a blank slate when we're born
Now children can be indoctrinated.
>dude all religions are great and you should have freedom to choose!
Literally every work of anthropology ever written has shown that when you separate religion from society, said society collapses.
>dude liberalism is based! i love democracy!
Now instead of having a well run government where the citizens played a minimal role in politics, now factions are formed, friendships are ruined and the 90 IQ gender studies majors think their opinion on international geopolitics should be taken seriously.

>> No.20224364

>>20218295
Short answer: Read Hegel.
Long answer: Read entire western canon.
Real answer: Read entire western canon including the occult, esotericism and history. Do this and it will all make sense.

>> No.20224401

>>20218347
>Kissinger
How did he get away with it.

>> No.20224424

>>20218390
read world order a couple of years ago. pretty based as introduction to IR.
>>20219153
>Kissinger's Diplomacy is a terrible book lol
Have it in my bookshelf but never read it. I take it its not worth it?

>> No.20224430

>>20219240
explain please. Ive read the republic but was a couple of years ago. What do you mean?

>> No.20224877

>>20224259
Never heard of him but he sounds like a faggot

>> No.20224891

>>20224147
>But they can't say negroes are subhuman savages and jews are literal demonspawn on earth.
why would you say that if you cant prove it

>> No.20224901

>>20219350
But the US was isolationist during the interwar period. Unless he was talking about the entire history of the US? That would be pretty stupid were that the case

>> No.20224902

>>20224877
In the 19th century no less! Unheard of!

>> No.20225000

>>20224222
>it's like expecting atheism and religion to find a middle ground
What about atheistic religions?

>> No.20225183

>>20225000
You mean like Buddhism and Taoism? Not same anon, btw

>> No.20225200

>>20225183
Don't lump them together. Buddhism is dumb street shitter bullshit while Daoism is giga Chad shit that let's you become a fucking super Saiyan once you establish your dantian.

>> No.20225206

>>20225200
I'm not I know they're distinctly separate but both are non-theistic religions

>> No.20225232

read Thucydides - History of the Peloponnesian War, also read Carl Schmitt's The Concept of the Political.
And always remember, time is a flat circle

>> No.20226349

Good recs

>> No.20226367

>>20219034
t-this

>> No.20226943

>>20218295
agape agape
the tunnel

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>>20218295
>>20218347
>>20219593
>>20221317
>>20223929

>halfway to bump limit
>pic rel has not been recommended

>> No.20227466

>>20227015
Never heard of it before. Neat

>> No.20227574
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20227574

this guy

>> No.20227781

>>20227015
hey pedro

>> No.20228029

>>20227781
who's pedro

>> No.20228739

>>20228029
his wife's boyfriend