/lit/ - Literature

Are jannies braindead?

What are you guys currently or planning on reading?

Going to pace myself from now on, so I’ll be just reading a chapter or two. The chapter I read is Daenerys’s fourth chapter, and by far it’s been the best one from her so far. In the sense we get to learn more about Dothraki and the Dothraki sea worldbuilding. But truth be told, I’m tired of Martin just making them caricature of the Mongols, the city was great since it shows they’re okay with actually building something, instead of being nomadic. Daenerys standing up and hitting Viserys was okay if only I grew tired of Viserys shit at this point. But overall, Daenerys chapters have been hit or miss for me.

>>20214061
Who else would work for no pay voluntarily?

I think I'd like Reverend Insanity if he wasn't an amoral villain type.

Keep the same setup of timetravel and the cultivation system but have someone way more restrained by their morality to up the difficulty

>>20214068
Hard to imagine the books are worth reading at this point desu

>>20214068
>What are you guys currently or planning on reading?

>>20214068
Catching up with Jim Butcher after his hiatus. He's the same faggot he always was and is a waste of time

>>20214098
Half of what makes RI good is mcs unique character and personality. If he was good and moral then RI would be just another crappy template xanxia.

>>20214136
I've read more xianxia with amoral power hungry protags than ones without desu

>>20214145
Do the chinese just like amoral sociopath MCs in general?

>>20214145
That's pretty much why Beware of Chicken works, because the protag is actually just a decent person. Not, like, paragon of goodness, but he's just decent.

>>20214068
Dont know how I'm able to read this series. It's incredibly boring. I think it's a matter of the quaintness, predictability, and lack of major plot upheaval appealing to my autism

>>20214159
Chinks are just writing character like themselves.

>>20214068
Going to read some more of In a Glass Darkly and some shit from >>20213114 for a chaser. Probably Herald of Shalia.

>>20214145
Why was RI banned? Surely it was not because he used xi jin ping name (in chapter ~600)? Why is it that no other xanxia got banned except RI?

>>20214182
Combination of the satire of pooh as well as the fact that the series is incredibly anti-society.

>>20214182
They made like the most blatant violation of the censor rules possible lol

>>20214099
Some people are fine with reading unfinished stuff. Lots of people started Berserk in the last year.

>>20214227
I tend to read unfinished stuff only if it's exceptional and simply is unfinished due to the passing of the author, or if it's clearly going to be finished within a reasonable timeframe.

Reverend Insanity is boring because there is literally no emotional depth. Its always muh goals and muh moving forward with the author spouting some juvenile bullshit every now and then. In reverend insanity no characters matter because they are all stepping stones for MC, with their personalities being the same cookie cutter bullshit taken from any other cultivation story. Even the main philosophical drive is retarded, like the main character doesn't care about anything in life so he chooses to strive for immortality so he can uhhhhhhhh live to not care about anything forever? This retard does realize that the longer you live the more boring everything becomes right?? Immortality is the best because it just is.....

How is Too Like the Lightning? How is Terra Ignota? These are relatively newer SF books that I keep seeing mentioned.

>>20214287
Immortality seekers are often just like that because of fear of death, it goes all the way back to Gilgamesh. At the same time, it's a really bland motivation in and of itself. Somebody who wants to be immortal so that they can, say, watch civilisations grow and change and fall, or enjoy all future works of art or something is more interesting to me.

>>20214227
GoT never had much of a story that could be finished to begin with. It's like reading history, only more boring, with crude vulgarity added as compensation for its failings.

>>20214296
that's one book and the name of the series its from anon

>>20214296
>>20214310
Whoops I meant to ask: How is Terra Ignota? How is Ancillary Justice (and associated books)?

>>20214054
Whats your favorite fantasy recommendation lists you've gathered over the years?

>>20214302
What an absurd criticism. Whatever else you msy say about those books, they clearly have a story.

>>20214287
>>20214300
It is a primal human desire to live longer or as long as possible and even not die, this is why humans and every life form reproduce, it is one and the only way for humans to continue their existence , but if there was even a slight possibility of actual immortality of an individual only a complete fool would not take the chance to pursue it.

>>20214068
It was pretty boring and utterly unmemorable

>>20214347
I suppose I could technically define my latest trip to the bathroom as a story. Only the conclusion would be more intellectually stimulating than GoT!

>>20214296
>Too Like the Lightning
When you want to write awesome books like Gene Wolfe but were raised on participation trophies and female empowerment.

>>20214356
You sound like you are 17 years old. Take a breath and try to be a little more critical of your own views.

>>20214375
Am I wrong?

>>20214296
Terra Ignota is nuts, in a good way, but be warned that it's not an easy read. You have a 25th century narrator writing in an 18th century style for an imagined 27th century audience. Society is wildly different from today and the narrator sees no need to explain things, so you're drip-fed information and much of the fun towards the start is in piecing together what the fuck he's talking about.
It was written by a historian, and it's supposed to read like a historical document, full of quirks and unstated assumptions.
It's absolutely not hard sci-fi, but to me it still holds some of the same appeal. It's fantastical but grounded in history.

>>20214356
>this is why humans and every life form reproduce
I've often wondered what it is that drives every species of animal on the planet to make such immense sacrifices to its safety and health, both for males and females, to the ends of reproduction. But assuming animal life whole hog is driven by some abstract psychological aversion to death is anthropomorphization

>>20214287
>>20214356
Fundamental philosophical differences between bugs and humans.

>>20214400
Checked and I have no idea, who's to say.

>>20214296
>>20214341
Personal thoughts
>Too Like the Lightning
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=ignota+palmer&search_tripcode=sffg

>Ancillary Justice
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=Ancillary+Justice&search_tripcode=sffg

/sffg/ consensus:
>Too Like the Lightning
A few really like it, most are think it's ok at most, some really hate it. I could list out all the individual ratings as I usually do, but meh.

>Ancillary Justice
Mostly the same as the above, though most like the following books much less.

>>20214437
Thank you very much, reviewanon. I always enjoy your blurbs for what it's worth. You seem to either read very fast and/or spend a lot of time reading.

>>20214411
Chinese definitely have a different outlook to us however western white males have been brainwashed by decades of liberal thought. If a story does not have significant women characters(or even no women at all), if it does not habe significant emotional depth, if mc is actually a villain, a typical western reader will automatically reject such a story because it just does not fit his liberal mind conditioning.

>>20214467
>>/lit/thread/S20136179#p20136404

>>20214054
Bastion suddenly became a very different book 2/3 in

>>20214468
Typical Westerners don't use reddit and Twitter all day Chang.

An irascible old farmer named Hu discovered one morning that his best rooster had flown into a tall tree beside his farm pond and wouldn’t come down, so he went to his neighbor, Wil, and asked for help. The men had never gotten along, but Wil finally agreed, so the two men went to the pond and began climbing the tree, Hu first. They meant to frighten the rooster out, you see, but the bird only kept flying higher, branch by branch. Then, just as Hu and the rooster reached almost the very top of the tree, with Wil right behind, there was a loud crack, the branch under Hu’s feet broke away, and down he went into the pond, splashing water and mud everywhere. Wil scrambled down as fast as he could and reached out to Hu from the bank, but Hu just lay there on his back, sinking deeper into the mud until only his nose stuck out of the water. Another farmer had seen what happened, and he came running and pulled Hu out of the pond. ‘Why didn’t you take Wil’s hand?’ he asked Hu. ‘You could have drowned.’ ‘Why should I take his hand now?’ Hu grumped. ‘I passed him just a moment ago in broad daylight, and he never spoke a word to me.’

I've been reading nothing but Philip K. Dick books all year, need a recommendation for some more classic sci-fi. Was thinking of either Lord of Light or Sirens of Titan next. I like Pynchon, and Vonnegut sounds like he might be a bit Pynchony.

>>20214565
Bastion feels like two books that were merged into one because the author realised the entirety of those two books was just characterisation and starting on a trajectory.

>>20214468
I'd say most western males don't care much about the forced 'dominating female' tropes. It's largely the brainwashed fanatics and intentional propagandists from academia and corporate media that you hear about, and who are creating a false narrative that these archetypes are in demand for moral reasons.

>>20214597
Lord of Light is not bad. Second half slows down quite a bit. Extremely interesting how ahead of his time Zelazny was. It's like reading hindu flavored DBZ, but somehow written in 1950

>>20214606
NTA
or maybe you've made an inaccurate comparison and have an incorrect frame of reference.

>>20214576
Kek, why would a chinese person browse 4chan.

>>20214602
Ok but what do they care about then? If no one cared about sjw and liberal literature there would not be every single hugo and nebula thats sjw. Even the less known authors are releasing heavily left wing lit. It is a business and the stuff that gets released is what readers want and care about and they are willing to pay for it.

>>20214684
>I want to read some progression fantasy, that's a red-pilled genre, right? What shoud I read?
>Get recommended faggot shit like Arcane Ascension
I'll stick to RI, thanks.

>>20214594
>wetlander humor

>>20214694
You should read some of this faggets books. >>20213114
Many of them are progression mixed Genre

>>20214684
>If no one cared about sjw and liberal literature there would not be every single hugo and nebula thats sjw.
Hugos and Nebulas are controlled by a very small group of wealthy urbanites.
>Even the less known authors are releasing heavily left wing lit. It is a business and the stuff that gets released is what readers want and care about and they are willing to pay for it.
Do you have a learning disability?

>>20214731
>Do you have a learning disability?
No, why?

>>20214744
Because you must be learning disabled or ESL to think American mass media is about making money.

>>20214731
It's true that it's a relatively very small group of people.
Most any award is, especially those given out by a panel of judges.
The Goodreads Choice Award probably has the largest voterbase of any book award by far.

2021 Hugo Award Details
December 18, 2021

Category: Novel
Cast Ballots: 2040

Category: Best Novella
Cast Ballots 1691

Category: Novelette
Cast Ballots 1499

Category: Best Short Story
Cast Ballots 1574

Category: Best Video Game
Cast Ballots 956

Many other categories as well.

>>20214772
>think American mass media is about making money.
Considering Lachlan Murdoch's recent statements it'll be less about profits and more about ideological warfare indeed.

>>20214822
EGS is a thing. You can do both.

>>20214594
>An irascible old farmer named Hu
This is the start of a limerick

>>20214302
You've never read it.

>>20214829
>EGS
I didn't know what this was, so I had to look at the /pol/ archive, since I knew surely that's where you learned it. As best as I can tell from a look, it seems like it's "environmental, social and governance (EGS) criteria." Seems to have attracted a lot of conspiracy posting as well.

>>20214829
Only if the banks or the government are willing to put their dick on the scales.

>>20214865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DiQpgPi_8g
Educate yourself man, this isn't some conspiracy theory shit and it's nothing new.

>>20214891
I said it was attracted conspiracy posting, not that it was itself a conspiracy.

>>20214891
for me, it's Hetal

>>20214891
Ok, I watched it. All I heard was boring platitudes and half-hearted virtue signalling. Considering it's for a Nordic company, I expected more. I really don't see why there should be any concern.

Any other good "science fantasy" settings like BotNS?

>>20214937
That's exactly the point, there's nothing conspiracy theory about it. It's a very real, boring thing that companies spend a lot of time and effort to adhere to.

>>20214959
That was my point as well, which is why I have to wonder why it's apparently absolutely spammed on /pol/ about how it will change the lives of everyone and is a great source of oppression for all people.

>>20214968
It’s almost as if it was nothing but /pol/ shitpost you should have just ignored instead of replying to it. But that would be asking too much.

>>20214968
Because it's a chinese social credit score system implemented via the private sector. It flies under the radar of most people, it's not something they can see happening but it is.

>>20214975
It's too much for you to follow your own advice as well, so I guess neither of us can be helped.

>>20214981
Considering how that the Chinese version has been an overall failure relative to the concern about it, this is probably overblown as well.

Are we going to discuss books or is this thread just going to be off topic /pol/ bullshit? I need to know, so I can safely ignore this thread or not.

>>20214940
Cage of Souls

>>20214940
It's based on the Dying Earth setting as done by Jack Vance, so that. Especially Eyes of the Overworld. Ursula le Guin's Ekumen books are alright but unrelated other than she was irl friendsies with Wolf. City of Illusions, Left Hand of Darkness, and The Disposessed are quite good.

>red rising author
lol

>>20215051
>Influences
>George R Martin, Gene Wolfe, J.K. Rowling, Plato, Homer
damn....

>>20214068
> What are you guys currently or planning on reading?

Book two of Malazan. Gardens of the Moon was an absolute slog and apparently the writing is better from here on out but we shall see

>>20215066
Coltaine and his army in the desert is one of my favourite bits of writing, sadly Malazan as a whole is a bit too convoluted for my taste

>>20214068
I'm about to start the second book of the Prince of Nothing series. First one was good.

>>20215051
I read that he has begun shilling NFTs. Fuck him. Though it's kinda amusing considering his books' themes.

>>20215086

>>20215118
Ha. Good on him for dropping that shit. It's been nice to see how much people have been pushing back against this NFT garbage.