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This thread is dedicated to everything related Goethe. Last thread was a success and I want to keep that level up.
What do you think of Goethe's scientific writings? I am interested in his botanic and biological writings. Can someone explain der Urpfanze to me?

>> No.20202934

Bump

>> No.20202958

>>20202117
EXPLAIN GOETHE TO ME RIGHT NOW OR I'LL LITERALLY FUCKING KILL YOu! WHAT THE FUCK IS MORPHOLOGY? WHAT THE FUCK IS AN URPFLANZE? DON'T DUMB IT DOWN OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU.

>> No.20203001

>>20202117
are his scientific writings really worth reading? i was planning on skipping on all the naturwissenschaften/farbenlehre stuff

>> No.20203074

>>20202117
One of my favorite poems of his:

Wie im Morgenglanze
Du rings mich anglühst,
Frühling, Geliebter!
Mit tausendfacher Liebeswonne
Sich an mein Herz drängt
Deiner ewigen Wärme
Heilig Gefühl,
Unendliche Schöne!

Daß ich dich fassen möcht'
In diesen Arm!

Ach, an deinem Busen
Lieg' ich, schmachte,
Und deine Blumen, dein Gras
Drängen sich an mein Herz.
Du kühlst den brennenden
Durst meines Busens,
Lieblicher Morgenwind!
Ruft drein die Nachtigall
Liebend nach mir aus dem Nebeltal.
Ich komm', ich komme!
Wohin? Ach, wohin?

Hinauf! Hinauf strebt's.
Es schweben die Wolken
Abwärts, die Wolken
Neigen sich der sehnenden Liebe.
Mir! Mir!
In eurem Schosse
Aufwärts!
Umfangend umfangen!
Aufwärts an deinen Busen,
Alliebender Vater!

A musical setting by Schubert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj1FCA-6pZU

>> No.20203115

>>20203001
He's basically a hack.
It's esoteric to say the least.

>> No.20203267

that mf look mad comfy. what this niggas name

>> No.20203280

>>20203074
Oh wow that’s so great so glad I can speak German real goooooooood

>> No.20203288

>>20203115
Wasn’t he one of Einstein’s biggest inspirations?
Maybe there’s more of worth in there than most literary people realise.

>> No.20203453

>>20203267
Goethe

>> No.20203476

can someone explain to me what "faustian" means? or "faustian spirit"?

>> No.20203591

>>20203476
Of or related to the character of Faust. The Faust myth. Specifically, Faust's deal with the devil, or Mephistopheles. "A Faustian bargain." It's sometimes used in perspective of short-sightedness. Or, want of the infinite, of omniscience. It's used by philosopher Oswald Spengler to describe Western European culture in its tragic quest and inward desire for the infinite and technical progress. A metaphorical (and metaphysical) Faustian bargain.

>> No.20203620

i'm so werther!

>> No.20203687

>>20203476
>dude, i've seen it all, gangbangs, orgies, violence, wars, joy, suffering, there is nothing in the whole wide world that could spark my interest lest shock me
>*devil appears*
>You sure 'bout that? Lemme show you how wrong you are!
Basically. It's a certain arrogance paired with being bored by life and turning to something more sinister only to realize that being bored wasn't so bad in the first place.

>> No.20203709
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20203709

My favorite german writer
Don't have much to contribute, so here's my painting of him

>> No.20204245
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20204245

>>20202117
>Place the visual artist alongside the musician: the poet stands between these two in the sense that in his conscious shaping of forms he inclines to the visual artist while in the dark regions of his unconsciousness he is in contact with the musician. Goethe’s conscious inclination towards the visual arts was so strong that at an important moment in his life he considered himself destined to practise them and in a certain sense during his entire lifetime wished to regard his poetic work as a kind of quest for information, as a substitute for his failure as a painter. In his consciousness he was thoroughly devoted to the visual world. On the other hand, Schiller was much more strongly attracted to investigating in depth the inner consciousness completely removed from the visual: the ‘Thing in Itself ’ of Kantian philosophy, the study of which occupied him totally during the main period of his higher development. The continuous long-term meeting point of both great minds was to be found just where, starting from both extremes, the poet encounters self-consciousness. The two also came together in their notion of the nature of music; but this idea in Schiller’s case went deeper than with Goethe. As would be expected, Goethe concentrated on the agreeable and visually symmetrical in art music, the element by which music in turn is analogous to architecture. Schiller had a more profound understanding of the problem: his view, which Goethe also shared, was that the epic was closer to the visual arts while drama was closer to music. It is also consistent with our previous judgement of these poets: that Schiller was more successful in actual drama, while Goethe unmistakably preferred the epic form.

>> No.20204755

>>20202117
he larped as a muslim. Fucking bizarre

>> No.20204783

>>20203709
very nice, how long have you been painting for

>> No.20206554

>>20203288
As science they are kaput. As increasing your creativity they are great. Interesting speculative science of the age.

>> No.20206931 [DELETED] 

>>20203709
Science is kaput.
>If one should wish to reproach Goethe, it could only be for not going far enough—that is, for having attacked the views of Newton instead of declaring that the whole of Newtonian Physics—Optics, Mechanics and the Law of Gravitation—were from the devil.
t. Werner Heisenberg

>> No.20206933

>>20206554
Science is kaput.
>If one should wish to reproach Goethe, it could only be for not going far enough—that is, for having attacked the views of Newton instead of declaring that the whole of Newtonian Physics—Optics, Mechanics and the Law of Gravitation—were from the devil.
t. Werner Heisenberg

>> No.20207144

>>20206933
holy based

>> No.20207475

>>20203280
Anon what do you mean you can't read German. You speak English it's literally just a vocab shift. All the grammar can be intuited