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Greeks built foundations of western civilizations on manly love and contempt for femholes.

Now we worship the femhole above all and look at the state of things.

>Faggot gay lol!
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>>20201472
How many Greek texts have you read? very few it seems. it's impossible to read their goddamn shit without bumping into pederasty somewhere

Greek homosexuality has been #debunked...

>>20201508
Lmao

>>20201503
Pederasty isn't modern homosexuality

>read 10,000 books
No one is gay except you.

according to my findings, gay is based. i am not gay, mind you

No one on this board read 1,000 (serious) books

>>20201472

>>20201508
And the only thing stopping this from being accurate is that more people believe in the pro-homo narrative. Such is history, I suppose.

The funny thing about this is during the last 2,000 years when homosexuality was unacceptable no one questioned the existence of Greek pederasty. But now that homosexuality in the past 50 years has become liberal dogma, people suspicious of “official” narratives doubt it

You could count the books you read by measuring it in tonnage and you'd still be a clueless baboon. Imagine reducing complex societal phenomena of tens of different city states with different laws and cultural backgrounds in such a crude way as
>le were
>le weren't

>read 0 books
The whole «greeks were gay» shit they try to push on us is just another part of the leftie dogma in universities rewriting history to make everything fit the gay agenda
>Read Plato
The greeks were gay
>Read Aristotle
The greeks were gay
>Read Herodotus
The greeks were gay
>Read Xenophanes
The greeks were gay

>>20201955
>t. lefty who tries to push gay agenda

>>20201831
Ironically not recognizing the homoeroticism just makes society more homoerotic

>the Athenian people, the wisest of people, and Solon who is so great among them, permitted it to the free alone. And sundry other books of the philosophers may one see full of this disease.
John Chrysostom

>Plato's banquet is almost entirely concerned with love, not merely with men in love with women, or women with men, lusts subject to the laws of nature, but of men with males differing from them only in respect of age... The greater part is taken up with common and vulgar love...
Philo, On The Contemplative Life

>That other Grecian licence is justly abhorred by our manners, which also, from having, according to their practice, a so necessary disparity of age and difference of offices betwixt the lovers. . . . Neither will that very picture that the Academy [of Plato] presents of it, as I conceive, contradict me, when I say, that this first fury inspired by the son of Venus into the heart of the lover, upon sight of the flower and prime of a springing and blossoming youth, to which they allow all the insolent and passionate efforts that an immoderate ardour can produce, was simply founded upon external beauty, the false image of corporal generation.
—Montaigne, On Friendship (1580)

>Who it was that first introduced the custom of loving boys into Greece, is uncertain: however [...] we find it generally practised by the ancient Grecians, and that not only in private, but by the public allowance and encouragement of their laws; for they thought there could be no means more effectual to excite their youth to noble undertakings, nor any greater security to their commonwealths, than this generous passion.
John Potter, Archaeologia graeca (1698)

>Solon, one of their seven wise Men, and the famous Lawgives of the Athenians, Plutarch tells us, (Amat.) not only himself used this infamous Trade of Sodomy, but recommended it as honest, and established it by Law, (Chryysost.) forbidding it only to Servants, or with them, as a refined Pleasure, proper only for the Ingenuous, and to be reserved to Men of Quality and Distinction. [...] This so pious and excellent Socrates, as an Instance of his Sapience in Morality, was deeply tained with this foul Diseas of Arsenocoitism [anal coitus, i.e. sodomy] [...] The divine Plato, tho' he is said to disapprove it in his Laws, and some have attempted to clear him from it, yet is made to sully his divine Character with the Guilt of it by Laertius in his Life. [...] Nay, so far was Sodomy from being punished amongst the Athenians, under the Institutes of their famous Philosophers, and in their Times, that Aeschylus, and Sophocles also, had a Tragedy publickly acted upon the Stage, called the "Pederastes" Boy-Lover.
Reverend Conyers Place, Immorality of the Ancient Philosophers (1735)

the librul propaganda goes back a long time bros..

>Among the many Unspeakable Benefits which redound to the World from the Christian Religion, no one makes a more conspicuous Figure than the Demolition of Pederasty. That celebrated Passion, Seal’d by Sensualists, espoused by Philosophers, enshrin’d by Kings, is now exploded with one Accord and Disown’d by the meanest Beggar. [...] Every Dabbler knows by his Classics, that it was pursu’d and prais’d with the Heighth of Liberty.
Thomas Cannon, Ancient and Modern Pederasty Investigated and Exemplify’d (1749)

>Before the Pelopnesian [sic] war, an aera fatal to their virtue, what nation, what country, produced so many virtuous and great men? Yet the taste of the Greeks for the most indecent and unnatural lust is well known; and the most virtuous of the Greeks, according to our ideas of morality, would have been looked upon in Europe as most wicked and contemptible debauchees.
Franz Swediauer, The Philosophical Dictionary, Vol. I (1786)

>But even Aristides, is said to have been addicted to the unnatural lust for boys. What can one say of a people, where this abominable vice was not even discountenanced? For my own part, when I find such a man as Aristides charged with it, I lament his living in those days. And I regret, that his otherwise unblemished name, should be contaminated by the infamous practice of his country.
Francis Dobbs, Second Volume of Universal History (1788)

we got too cocky bros..

>>20201472
I thought the same as you, but then I started reading the Greeks... Read Plato's Symposium or Phaedrus, they are really good reads, and you will see how mistaken you are.

You're handicapping yourself, anon. The greeks were super uptight about masculinity, they gave one single purpose to women: Breed

The greeks might have had a different concept of homosexuality opposed to the modern one, thus why fathers kissed their sons and why they loved each other as brothers.

Also, Robert Graves.

>>20201472
Cope and seeth christ cuck. Your just trying too put modern christian moral values on a society that didn't even have the concept of sexual orientation.

>>20202166
>pedophilia
>liberal propaganda
Do pedophiles adapt to their environment, or the other way around?

Greeks weren't that gay I think, just less dl about it. Gym bros will always be having gay love affairs. See how many women talk about this happening to them. It's probably been happening for all of history.

>>20201508
>>"Philo was Jewish he´s probably lying"

lmao

>>20201472
Probably not gay but deny the homoeroticism of many greek works is retarded

>>20201508

>>20202727
pretty sure pre christian germans were also virulently homo hating as well. Goths were the ones who killed a greek christian boy buggering charioter when the rest of the chrsitian greek population didnt care.

>>20201508
Oh no no no no no.

>>20201508
>LIE: Erect gays prepare to fuck
>TRUTH: They are talking about girls they like

Entire European history is a missed oportunity. Missing the genius of the ancient Greeks and wasting for the sake of novelty. Everything tried and true is questioned in Western history, but instead discovering gold, its lacquered and rusted iron.

Do not start with the Greeks unless you want depression at the world we inherited and live in right now.

>>20204501

Tacitus who wrote Germania, the main document we have about the ancient germanics, was completely biased against the current Julio-Claudian Roman imperial culture that he viewed as decadent. Since boy love was mostly a thing engaged by the nobility , it made sense to make the enemies of Rome as homo-hating, noble-savages. We know that the Celts engaged in homo-erotic sex and relations. In Norse culture there was likely a word for the passive male called "ergi" who is soft, cowardly and associated with sorcery, but there was no reccorded stigma for the active male.

>>20201508
But were they as gay as modern Americans?

Wisen up and you'll realize the problem is not homosexuality but what role it plays in society.

I wish I wasn't attracted to women so I can ascend to the next level of cosmic umderstanding.

>>20206034
Plato made homosexuality illegal in The Laws. Are you telling me you're wiser than Plato? Because you sure don't sound too intelligent.

>>20206061
>Are you telling me you're wiser than Plato?
He was refuted by Aristotle and Pyrrho.

>>20206061
The Laws / Nomoi wasn't written by Plato himself, but some anon a.k.a. Pseudo-Plato.

>>20201472
>read 0 books
Greeks were those important old people
>read 100 books
Greeks were those important old people
>read 1000 books
i haven't gotten there yet

>>20206354
Lol no, cope