/lit/ - Literature

>>20186865

litrpg, Isekai, Chinese wish-fulfillment webnovels, and YA.

>>20186865
Everything written by Marx.

>>20186913
filtered

>>20186913
>le smart people can't be wrong

>>20186913
It's precious that you people think Communism (or at least however the term has been defined for you) begins and ends with Marx. I can't imagine what it must be like having that sort of intellectual deficiency which makes the politically obsessed ascribe everything they dislike a single person.
>inb4 muh Drumpf
Yes, it is just as stupid to blame him for much of what happened during his administration as it is to blame Marx for the failures and excesses of Sovoet Bolshevism.

>>20186865
a pickle for the knowing ones.

>>20187064
midwit the post

>>20186865

and the populist autocrat will wear a red headcloth and have orange skin?

>>20186865
Anything by Plato

>>20187064
>It wasn't real communism
>My highly specific version of communism will work this time
Go back to r*eddit

anything by sam harris or steven pinker or any other member of the glowie nato satanic nigger shill cabal

>>20186865
I think the most radical and influential Anti-Platonism comes from the Positivists (Saint-Simon, Comte, Russell, Spencer) along with a specific post-revolutionary strand of Marxism, exemplified by Gramsci and Reich.

>populism
>dominate the people
Hmmm...

>>20187419
Top and bottom vs middle.

“When the poor hath cried, Caesar hath wept” and all

>>20187427
Wrong, elites are threatened by populism. The ever-shrinking middle 'managerial' class are their toadies desperately repeating the system line to maintain their position.

>>20187074
Damn, you got me good! Tell me where I'm wrong though.
>>20187363
That youre completely unwilling to even acknowledge a distinction between wildly different forms of political ideology means you should probably not opine on the subject. By your logic, you're also a Communist since you pay taxes for public works projects, take my money for your social security, and expect children to have public education. No difference between Socialism and Communism, just like there's no difference between Leninism and National Socialism, right?
Also, maybe if I even defended Communism instead of calling actual midwits like yourself out for letting others define your lexicon, your post would have any merit.
Welcome to /lit/, where we don't even read a dictionary, apparently.

>>20187493
So what you're saying is that communism is such an abused word that it's lost all meaning and describes everything from Latin American anti-imperialism to Soviet bolshevism to Vietnamese nationalism.

>>20186913
this and like 90% of post-marxist theory too

>>20187493
You're a degenerate defending the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. I don't care what you said. People like you need to be shot.

>>20187518
Pretty much, yes. It's absolutely pointless to debate any subject if it carries that much abstraction. Some people that say they want Communism probably want Diggeresque communalism, try having a debate about the merits and failures of that with someone that thinks "communism" just means "free shit for millenials."
You might as well say how much you dislike berries. What kind? Fuck you, berryphile, what, you think your specific type of "berry" is going to make up for all the people that have died berry related deaths? I just wish people would at least try to learn instead of latching onto whatever label du jour that keeps them from intellectal engagement.

>>20187493
If you defend communism, you bring communism to my country - I will you tie by the hands and shoot your brains out. I don't what excuses, what apologia you have. I've heard enough non-sense from degenerates like you. Its time for people of your ilk to face accountability for your actions and that requires you receiving a death sentence. You know exactly what you are guilty of and why you must be shot.

>>20187562
are you esl

>>20187539
You can't read, either. I'm sorry. Where's this defense?
>>20187562
Calm down, buddy, it's okay. Red Dawn gave a lot of kids nightmares. No one can blame you for being scared.

>>20187578
Even more heinous you fully know what you are defend and what you are responsible for that. You continue to gaslight. That makes your execution even more necessary. The world will never be free as long every communist is alive and not in a mass grave.

>>20187575
Get your knees and pray

Omg, Plato said a thing and it's just like today! #PlatoForPres

>>20187581
You're so scared you're inventing things to be afraid of. Again, where did I defend Communism? Why are you so afraid of any kind of discussion? Do you think all permutations of an ideology will disappear if you hate them enough?

>>20187578
Kill yourself nigger communist faggot. You will be shot and everyone in your ilk will be suffer the same fate. You deserve nothing but immediate execution

>>20187585
So, you are? Are you romanian then? My father is romanian and fought in that revolution. I'm not a commie I only ask because you write like a retarded person

>>20187588
Fucking nigger communist subhuman you will disappear when you fall out the chopper. You fucking subhuman cowards always hide on the internet because you anti-fas fucks we'd be lead in your fucking head

>>20187435
If only those managerials realized those crumbs they once got are being converted into NFTs...

>>20187589
I'm praying for you. I hope you find what you're looking for, anon.

>>20187601
I want to find you and slice your throat with a knife you communist subhuman. I wish could find you.

>>20187562
>>20187581
>>20187585
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>>20187599
>>20187608

>>20187599
I wonder if this is why the right is dying
I hear so many stories about libs reading the turner diaries, stuff about the Jewish Question, Protocols of TLEZ, etc to understand and debate better, meanwhile you're too reactionary to even think about something that upsets you
I only wish whatever shithole Balkan state you live in were actually destroyed and genocided by commies

>>20187650
Having an army of angry grugs is a good thing anon. Obviously he isn't the intellectual type of guy to begin with, he's a board tourist. The reason the right is dying is because of heavy censorship on social media and disbarment from institutions.

>>20187650
>I hear so many stories about libs reading the turner diaries, stuff about the Jewish Question, Protocols of TLEZ, etc
No you don't lmfao

I've dropped reading this thread midway. Author started good, there were some nice jokes, good thoughts. But then the genre shifted to YA battle between lefties and righties, characters have lost any resemblance of rational thought, and most gruesome of author's sins: needles escalation by asspulls.
Overall, was disappointed by this thread. [1 star out of 5]

>>20187708
Yeah, it would have been better had it focused on the side character with the violent obsession with communism. I could see a better author making a good Chekovesque character story with the material.

>>20187673
weird because it sure seems like a lot to me, at least significantly more than I hear of righties reading Kropotkin or Bookchin, thats mostly just namedropping the hits like Marx and Lenin with no actual substance

>>20187749
I'm not sure why they would bother reading Kropotkin or Bookchin when anarchism and anarchists don't pose any threat

>"omg so what if we pretend to not know the definition of a woman why are you getting angry lol?"
>"omg why are you getting angry that men with dicks LARPing as women are going into the restroom with your little girl what's wrong with you you violent male-presenting human ugh!"
>"omg why are you getting angry that tons of illegal drugs and STD-ridden filthy Mexicans are crossing the border illegally omg literally get help!"
>"omg why are you getting angry at gas prices skyrocketing the moment Biden got into office, literally just buy a $75K electric vehicle if you're concerned lol?!"
>"omg why are you getting angry at China fucking over the American worker so we can all buy shitty $5 items on Amazon on recommendation of all the fake reviews ugh!?"
>"omg are you seriously getting angry that I keep reminding you that you need to use the they/them pronouns when you refer to me and wear a badge on your chest displaying your own preferred pronouns of which you may only choose the ones from a list we deem appropriate?!"
>"omg why are you getting angry at peaceful yet fiery protests in support of a felon who was about to drive on public roads high on fenty and meth omg... January 6th was so much worse, the media said so!! like 4 people died of a heart attack amongst the thousands that were there didn't you know? like literally 0 people died or were hurt at the Floyd peaceful protests and there was 0 property damage and 0 COVID spread..."

This meme that mass anger over absolute pants on heard retardation is bad will never catch on, regardless of however you try to misconstrue old quotes as if to apply to today's world.

Consider another tactic.

>>20187776
Who are you quoting? All I see is a strawman that you wasted far too long writing.

>>20187776
>r*ddit spacing

>>20186885
more schizo than retard

>>20186865
Where does Plato say this

>>20186865
He was talking about real democracy, not what we have where the government and every institution that has the power to sway public opinion is in the pocket of plutocrats.

>>20187427
when that the poor have cried*

I don't mind troons, more power to them. If they are fucking ugly and still live their life, that must mean that their will to power is enourmous.

>>20187552
retarded analogy please kys

>>20187929
If they don’t look like Sayori Ling, Sayuri Mattar or Taftaj they ain’t getting my dick

>>20186913
/thread
was expecting this reply btw

>>20187539
The only “atrocities” I will ever defend are those perpetrated by Pol Pot. That’s the difference between you and I, cunt.

>>20186865
political writers

>>20186913
Based.
>>20187064
>Yes, it is just as stupid to blame him for much of what happened during his administration as it is to blame Marx for the failures and excesses of Sovoet Bolshevism.
So it’s perfectly justifiable to accuse him of irresponsibility, conceitedness, and incompetence? I’m glad we agree.

>>20186920
faggot

>>20187586
It's not particularly similar to today, though it certainly applied in both Rome and Germany

>>20187836
Have you read some of his political work?

>>20189129
didnt we have a populast thing that happened a bit ago? like twice? something about a black druggy and rednecks on steps.

>>20187562
I see the internet tough guy is still a thing

>>20186865
I have a copy of picrel for every door in my house.

>>20189154
Wow, you must really like Atlas shrugged anon, to have so many in your house. assuming of course you have 2+ doors in your home.

>>20189162
>What are doorstops?

>>20187588
Midwit retard. No one is "afraid of discussion" with you, everyone just understands that """discussing""" anything with a midwit is about as enjoyable as intellectually engaging a handful of gravel. I agree with this Romanian guy I'd rather just fucking kill you.

>>20189168
The little jiggly-wiggly things that go "bwowowowowowowo" when you pull them back and then let them go. Books don't do that.

>>20187834
You're not le based schizo for liking Guy Debord. You're just an apathetic hippie who fell for a new-left CIA-funded psyop

>>20186865
Reminder: Athens, a total democracy, only existed for 300 years. The roman empire lasted for 1000 and pharaohs ruled Egypt for 3000.

>>20189234
it always amazes me how 4chan hands out 'take your meds' posts like candy but has the utmost standards for what makes an ideal schizophrenic

Plato was truly based and intelligent

>>20186896
I like all of these, its over..

>>20187836
The republic around book 4-6

>>20187407
That's a good list of authors to steer clear of.

>>20186865
A Marxist interpretation of Plato would be that he predicted the dictatorship of the "proletariat", only with pure psychology rather than wishy washy economic theory which presupposes psychology to have validity.

>>20187836
>>20186865
see
>>20187842

democracy is popular or mob rule, and ends with a tyrant. we live in some kind of mind fucked hall of mirrors jew plutocracy, Plato doesnt know what that ends in.

>>20186865
Show me the exact proof he said that?

>>20189756
Book 8 is the movement from democracy to tyranny.

>>20189967
562a-563e

>>20189886
Literally the same thing

>>20187815
>do I fit in g-guys?

>>20187836
The eventual decay of the order of political systems from the most good to the most terrible is book 8 as the other anon said
Plato describes a process of how a leadership appointed by the masses will slowly work to despoil the city's property both for their own profit as well as trying to satisfy the demands of the masses. Likewise, it has no care for law and only the fickle impetus of the masses, so it dissolves into an arbitrary system where one man has mastered the currents of the public sentiment through deception and so is able to satisfy all his own private desires to the eventual detriment of the public.
But we don't really have the democracy Plato means, ultimately the whims of the masses are tempered by intermediary 'representatives' in legislative bodies rather than the direct voting of Athens

>>20187493
Bro u r retard

>>20187363
if you cannot describe the differences between european marxist interpretation and chinese marxist interpretation and the differences in communism acted by the USSR and by the chinese communist party then you can't really debunk that anons post by just stating go to le reddit.
hearing americans and brits talk about their marxism and hearing chinese talk about what they are taught marxism is, is hearing about two different things. i'm not for either interpretation but the idea that anyone can interpret marxism and say it is marxism is one of the main faults in people who go around talking about marxism.

>>20187493
>Welcome to /lit/, where we don't even read a dictionary, apparently.
You don't "read" a dictionary. You rely on it as a resource.

>>20189162
He probably doesn't own the house and thus does not have doors.

>>20189967
>He didn't know
Just read the book.

>>20191344
Please look up the word marxism you bombastous autofellating faggot.

>>20189193
What do you use to hold a door open?

>>20187493
Anon you're wasting your time. Don't try to engage intellectually anyone you find on this hellsite

>>20191648
No u retard

>>20187064
marx was a british agent retard, you own nothing and are happy because the crown does instead

>>20192164
You are happy because Marx was a British agent and retard
The crown does own nothing instead.

>>20187373
Fake butterfly is the best butterfly

It has a 50/50 chance of turning you into a proper intellectual, or turning you into a retard pointing at the cop arresting you for shoplifting and saying "You're just a spook!"

>>20187776
excellent bait.

>>20191500
he's completely right though, westoid marxism vs eastern marxism are two completely different things

>>20186913

>>20186913
Just came here to say this

>>20186865
Nice a plato thread. I just started reading.

So, was the euthyphro dilemma a false dilemma or?

>>20186913
tpbp

My diary desu