/lit/ - Literature

>>20149051
Hes kind of ugly, if I did it i'd be more handsome.

Because reducing Japanese culture to weeb shit and platforms for weeb shit is disrespectful. These behaviors are killing Japan, the last thing they need is more fag westerners coming in and saying SUGOIIII BAKA KAWAII I BECAME MANGAKA TO HONOR YOU NIHHON SENSEI

>>20149104
weeb website.

>>20149104
Stop misusing the term weeb you fucking retard, no ones impressed.

>>20149116
Not correct and would be a genetic fallacy even if it were. Besides, being a weeb was still somewhat respectable in the mid 2000s. Now it's like being a "gamer" in 2022.

>>20149104
>a massive portion of our youth feel like participating in our society isn't worthwhile and instead devote their lives to hedonism?
>DAMN YOU WEEBS

>>20149163
half the boards are about anime, manga or japan games.

go back.

>>20149166
the weebification of gen z is interesting and scary to see

>>20149166
They are one aspect of that larger problem.

>>20149167
Do you enjoy losing this argument thousands of times? Your degenerate subtype of late stage, pseudomorphological weeb isn't even welcome on /a/.

>>20149181
go back.

>>20149181
It's not an aspect of the problem, it's a result. Whether the avenue of escape is anime and light novels or comic book movies and funko pops doesn't matter. Do you think that if japan banned anime tomorrow all those people would go become salarymen?

>>20149181
>>20149186
Both of you are right

>>20149163
>Besides, being a weeb was still somewhat respectable in the mid 2000s. Now it's like being a "gamer" in 2022.
I'm at a loss for words...

>>20149104
How is it reductive? Nothing about this suggests he's unaware or uninterested in other aspects of Japanese culture. He might be really into classic Japanese lit for all we know, but he's most passionate about his manga projects.

>>20149202
No, I'm saying the salaryman slave problem is a symptom of the overall problem, just like hedonism among Japanese youth is. Weebs are uniquely evil because they are coming in and celebrating late stage cancer symptoms in a dying culture that desperately needs help, or at least needs to be left alone so it has the best chance possible of helping itself.

When you are a salaryman by day, escapist by night, you should know something is wrong. Further tethering Japanese GDP to this death spiral business cycle is not nice.

As I said you can be forgiven for liking anime and being a weeb, especially years back. But now there is nothing even left, it has imploded into total mush and kitsch. It's similar to how it's understandable if you were a 4chan counterculture grungy basement dweller in 2008 but if you are the modern form of that (psychotic tranny justifying own failures), it isn't the same. The old excuses don't work anymore. It's time to stop being a tranny and stop ironically unironically watching bad anime.

>>20149221
also plenty of manga and anime that are better than most western literature.

>>20149223
>worrying about the golden era and restoring the traditions on a late stage civilizational decay cycle
This nigga needs to read some historical cycle books.

>>20149221
This is like saying if a Hindu moved to Europe and became a Vice contributor writing pieces on LGBT subcultures among gypsy refugee communities, "nothing about this would suggest he doesn't also appreciate European high culture." Yes, it does. He's celebrating and accelerating the diseased parts of a body that should be healthy, while not even being an organic part of that body.

>>20149226
>ironically unironically
See? Tranny.

>>20149234
You should read Heidegger's critiques of Spengler and read more Evola to balance Guenon. It's only easy to be complacent about yugic cycles when you don't care about anything except isolated sages and their ability to renounce and wander off into the forest. That's not the European or Japanese way. I don't even think it's right for India.

>>20149258
>This is like saying if a Hindu moved to Europe and became a Vice contributor writing pieces on LGBT subcultures among gypsy refugee communities, "nothing about this would suggest he doesn't also appreciate European high culture."
Yes, and? There's no intrinsic reason why that person couldn't have an interest in European high culture. Creating absurd caricatures isn't an argument and only outs you for being the reductionist here, by insisting that whatever shallow representation you have of a person should be all the depth there is to their personality.

>>20149223
The form of the escapism does not matter. The only "possible" way to make people refrain from pursuing whichever variety of escapism they personally prefer would be to make society more rewarding than hedonism. I don't believe anime is some perfected form of super-hedonism and that if it was gone the replacement would score fewer preference points and lose to an equally shitty society.

>>20149258
LGBT journalism is ruining mainstream culture and driving people to escapism. This is not the same as simply taking part in local escapism with everyone else who has already decided mainstream culture can fuck off.

>>20149258
>This is like saying if a Hindu moved to Europe and became a Vice contributor writing pieces on LGBT subcultures among gypsy refugee communities
Yeah, or like if a nu-right larptard came to 4chan and started writing posts about how anime is the devil and turns you into a transexual, celebrating and accepting the diseased parts of our website.

Grow some fucking self awareness.

>>20149289
There's no intrinsic reason a cannibal rapist pedophile with a history of raping and murdering children in his care wouldn't turn out to be a great babysitter for your kid, but all signs point to no.

This isn't an absurd caricature, it's a demonstration of a point so simple a child would understand it. If something is deeply bad for Mike, in a way that is obvious to everyone around Mike, and Mike's friend Greg nevertheless encourages Mike to do that thing because he personally enjoys it, most people would include that Greg is an asshole or at least a moron.

>>20149317
False equivalence. There's nothing about liking anime and manga which even suggests a disinterest or disdain for other aspects of Japanese culture. In fact, from what I've seen, they regularly serve as accessible launching pads for people to learn about other more traditional aspects of the culture.

>>20149059
based handsome anon

This nigga complains about weeb OP but goes full right wing japanese conservative talking about the restoration of japanese golden era.

>>20149306
>This is not the same as simply taking part in local escapism with everyone else who has already decided mainstream culture can fuck off
Yes it is. Promoting degenerate behaviors is always bad, especially when a culture is drowning in them and every little bit adds to the weight around its neck. Rebelling against the mainstream because it is evil is not an excuse to contribute to a different kind of evil. All evil is related. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend - promoting a "functional" fentanyl addiction in your friend group in Appalachia because you can actually manage it somehow is not helping your friends who are natives to the region, thus it is not helping the region.

Your problem is that you perceive yourself as an outsider or a spectator of "society" and "the mainstream," and you think you as some privileged atomic individual have a right to pick between two alternatives floating in a vacuum: become a salaryman, or do anime fentanyl. But you are not an isolated individual, and neither you nor these choices float in a vacuum. You are responsible to the society just as it is responsible to you. It needs your help, and you are treating it like a vending machine that is failing to dispense your preferred candy.

Life isn't fair, you don't always get the cushy ride you want from it. Sometimes the purpose of your life has to be to repair the society so that it DOES provide a healthy form of life again.

>>20149337
Maybe if your brain is stuck in 2008, as I said above, and your sensibilities are so neoliberal and bourgeois that you think of countries as smorgasbords to be sampled and tourist spots to be vacationed in.

Europe is dying under a runaway psychotic fag culture. There are men dressing up as women and young people mutilating their genitals. You yourself acknowledge this reveals that cultures and countries can be deeply diseased. It's at least plausible that Japan's capitalist-hedonist false binary is an equally diseased situation.

>>20149051
Pretty based, not gonna lie.

>>20149353
what 0 pussy does to a pol incel.

so fucking what? i'm not interested in leaving some legacy for a bunch of fucking nitwits, a bunch of disgusting people i'd never want to meet in life, and who would make me wretch if i had. donating my time, my patience, my passion and my joy to this world is like asking me to cut out my own teeth and stab them into my eyes. imagine being one of these broken fellows, a dostoevsky, a joyce, a shakespeare, and some shithole like /lit/ being the haunt of your ghost, being the fuel of bitter, vapid, and asinine arguments between actual mentally crippled beasts. no. no one deserves my time. no one deserves my love. anything i have written will burn, and it will be a delight. before i die, i'll torch libraries. fuck the written word and its lies. its idealism, its madness. everything in this world is garbage. festering garbage. you should all kill yourselves and as many loved ones as possible.

>>20149351
Ikr? You can tell he only first came here in the past few years and doesn't understand what these terms mean.

>>20149051
He’s Asian though?

>>20149490
he looks like the average castizo spic, lmao.

>>20149234
>omg i heckin love spengler and toynbee
Kys

>>20149166
do it on your own clay, gaijins are doing to japan what niggers are doing to yurop

>>20149548
japanese have better views of black african inmigrants than white americans, lmao.

>>20149223
You yourself must be LGB given how rent-free you are letting T be. And what is your contribution exactly to the defense of civilized culture? Preaching a Sneeders in the Hands of an Angry Chuck sermon on a bolivian mountaineering forum?

>>20149559
Weird how all the people denying my assertion of an anime-tranny-newfag matrix are using twitter acronyms, getting mad about online racism, and doing the classic "lmao why do trannies bother you so much could it be you love us :3" shit.

>And what is your contribution exactly to the defense of civilized culture?
Another Great Awakening wouldn't be such a bad thing.

>>20149572
Thread had nothing to do with them, you mention them in every post, and now accuse everyone annoyed by you of being one?

>>20149599
I hate trannies so much that the very fact that I exist should worry you, because it proves the existence of people like me is at least possible, and there is technically a non-zero chance of me attaining political influence of some kind. You should pray every day that I'm a statistical anomaly.

>>20149051
I’m unironically thinking about learning one or more East Asian languages because their women are hot af.

>>20149572
>anime-tranny-newfag matrix
Get aa's dick out of your mouth and stop larping as an oldfag, you're so obviously not one it's actually painful to watch. The fact you ignored this>>20149312 post is very telling, guess it struck a little too close to home. You're an e-nigger, shitting up someone elses home.

>>20149104
>Because reducing Japanese culture to weeb shit and platforms for weeb shit is disrespectful.
This is spearheaded entirely by Japanese themselves desu. Anime and manga are so fucking big there

>>20149638
>"Uhhh yeah, my dad is a marine and he'll call in an airstrike on your favorite resturant! Better watch out!"

Fucking hell you're cringe

>>20149638
I don't care about you or your enemies. You can devour each other and I will simply congratulate the winner and pay lip service to his delusions. Politics is for people with money

>>20149655
How many posts before she tells us to become byzantine orthodox?

>>20149658
I agree, they are doing it to themselves ultimately. It's a much bigger problem than even just the fact that the US reverse engineered Japanese serfdom to appear to function as a liberal capitalist society, to create a bulwark against the USSR and Maoist China. The underlying problem is how the hell to get traditional Japanese serfdom to modernise in a way that is authentically Japanese. Reversion to the older model isn't better simply because it's older. Even when Japan was imperialist and nationalist, it was still just a junta dominated by a group of industrialists derived from the old Meiji aristocratic oligarchy.

Same problem in China except much more fucked over there, since the communists have annihilated the Chinese people and sunk them so deeply into their feudal mentality that it will take a thousand years to heal.

>>20149655
I have been ignoring all the posts by obvious newfags saying shit like "ikr smdh" and "fr fr hes one of them 4Chan/pol chuds" because they are some frankenstein combination of discord, tranny, zoomer, newfag, and ESL, and they weird me out. Yours does too. I hope you understand.

>>20149658
>>20149704
Anime/manga are just forms of Japanese mass media. You wouldn't say all of American culture boils down to Disney would you? Well actually...

>>20149704
>discord, tranny, zoomer
These are all neolgisms FOR 4CHAN (inb4 tranny is an old word) that popped up after the 2016 election. Stop refuting yourself you pathetic worm. I'll take the fact you still haven't adressed my point as victory. Peace out.

>>20149726
America and The Consumer Society are good. I keep meaning to read Fatal Strategies
>Baudrillard thus concludes that the “catastrophe has happened,” that the destruction of modernity and modern theory which he noted in the mid-1970s, has been completed by the development of capitalist society itself, that modernity has disappeared and a new social situation has taken its place. Against traditional strategies of rebellion and revolution, Baudrillard begins to champion what he calls “fatal strategies” that push the values of the system to the extreme in the hopes of collapse or reversal, and eventually adopts a style of highly ironic metaphysical discourse that renounces emancipation and the discourse and hopes of progressive social transformation.

>>20149777
Goodbye retard.

>>20149667
Kek, I legitimately haven't seen a personal threat on the internet in ages. It comes across as so non-threatening, probably because you know the person who made it is in a rage at their own lack of options to get back at you.

>>20149051
I'm not a writer, but learning japanese has been so rewarding. Theres a feeling of euphoria at looking at some text and picking out bits you can read, then going back to it later and seeing how you've improved. Everyone should learn a language.

>>20149787
Fatal strategies is kino

>>20149861

>>20149704
>>20149726
I wouldn't even say it's a bad thing. Japan has novels too but they (unsurprisingly) never caught on with the masses. Manga and anime are perfect media for asian aesthetics and their popularity isn't bad.

This conversation feels short-sighted because the peasantry has always existed, low art was always a thing. Japan seems to understand that so long as you're healthy, life is pretty good, and you don't need to die for some political cause for it to feel meaningful. So I don't want to blame low art for being popular, because well of course it's going to be popular. The truth is what we call high art was always made for an elite caste of men, peasants never studied Aristotle. Yet still, this doesn't feel like a satisfying answer does it, because that old Western aristocratic class is dead. Much of their legacy was transferred to the current middle class of the West, but these people are disconnected from that strain of learning, there's no real tie, which is why we've failed at passing this culture on, and why seeing educated American and Japanese adults consume low media seems wrong.

What does it say that when you give humans unrestricted access to information, 99% of them will opt for low art or use 4chan and youtube all day? Have our societies failed to make people interested in stuff that matters? Or is this just the natural state of man? This is an important question. It also ties into the concept of Democracy. If most men can't care about true politics/philosophy by nature, then we simply can't allow most men to have a say in the government, or even believe that a certain candidate looks the best, because they're probably being deceived. But you can also think "Maybe it's not the necessary state of man, but an institutional failing". This is also a defensible position. Either way it's worth thinking about.

>>20149051
I've been learning the superior asian runes for quite some time, and I can confirm it has done nothing but improve both my personal and professional life. One of the best decisions i have ever made. I get the largest population on earth to network and connect with, while planning my first book of Chinese poetry for eventual publication.

>>20149869
>you don't need to die for some political cause for it to feel meaningful
Isn't this what your tradlarp cultural pessimism is asking for the return of? What do you think a feudal aristocracy was? What sort of people do you think valued all the pretty art and architecture? Outside of the absolute top of the pyramid these were a thin caste of men whose purpose was to put on a suit of armor, mount a horse bred for carrying 400 pounds, and die for the state/sovereign. They were given land with labor bonded to it, the most valuable pre-capitalist pre-modern asset available, by none other than that state/sovereign itself, in exchange for defending it against enemies internal and external, fighting its wars, etc. In other words, at some point in an aristocrat's life, unlike most other classes of men, he will most likely fight other such men to the death. In democratic society full citizenship is no longer limited to the aristocrat class, and such a class is largely gone, having been replaced by managers and bureaucrats, who are just peasants with some aptitude. Military force is either based on universal conscription or volunteer service, as dictated by lasting developments in technology that have made having elite cavalry worthless. It would be very difficult to bring back a feeling of "aristocracy" among moderns, or post-moderns. Perhaps people who take crazy but calculated financial risks come close. But there are few other such opportunities to risk one's life for a lifetime of enjoying the spoils of said gamble

>>20149104
As someone that lives in Japan for 6 months of most years i personally would like to see more unattractive westerners come here so I look more attractive in comparison.

>>20149869
>What does it say that when you give humans unrestricted access to information, 99% of them will opt for low art or use 4chan and youtube all day? Have our societies failed to make people interested in stuff that matters? Or is this just the natural state of man? This is an important question. It also ties into the concept of Democracy. If most men can't care about true politics/philosophy by nature, then we simply can't allow most men to have a say in the government, or even believe that a certain candidate looks the best, because they're probably being deceived. But you can also think "Maybe it's not the necessary state of man, but an institutional failing". This is also a defensible position. Either way it's worth thinking about.
This is the perennial problem of politics. If you go with elitism you get oligarchs. You can't even keep theocratic or aristocratic arete, because theocrats and aristocrats will lose their arete and become merely oligarchic. If you go with democracy, you get oligarchs too, because the richer and better situated ones eventually find out how to manipulate the system, and virtuous people (people with arete) who are motivated to detect this and want to stop it are drowned out in a sea of easily duped, non-virtuous people.

So it's not even an issue of democracy vs. hierarchy, it's an issue of how do you keep shite from the top? How do you make sure you have a continuous re-cycling of elites that guarantees new blood and weeds out people who are in the elite merely by inertia?

All democratic revolutions are enacted by aristocratic people who could easily have made themselves caesars, kings, tyrants, and oligarchs, but who choose at the last second to create a democracy instead. But it seems like keeping those people in the system is impossible and you have to wait for generations of decay for one to get mad enough, and be in the right place at the right time enough, to destroy the existing system and re-found it.

And in some places that cycle is so deadly that it destroys the people instead of nourishing it, like the An Lushan rebellion in China, typical of Chinese civil wars which were just nightmarish world wars. In other places like Korea you get completely stagnant, dead, closed systems like the yang ban system.

>>20149051
who is this dude? he looks asian anyways

>>20149051
Isn’t this the Brazilian-born Japanese guy who moved back into Japan and published No Game No Life to then get accused of tracing?

>>20149163
>Besides, being a weeb was still somewhat respectable in the mid 2000s. Now it's like being a "gamer" in 2022.
Hahaha fucking what? Speaking as someone that was a young teen in the mid 2000s, being a weeb was about the furthest from respect you could get. You were opening a front door to ridicule and mockery by your classmates.

Not to mention the term "weeaboo" didn't even exist in mid 2000s. If you were into anime/manga/JRPGs/etc you weren't a "weeb" you were just "that weird kid"

>>20149869
>The truth is what we call high art was always made for an elite caste of men
Not true. Masses huddled up to see the Greek tragedies. I don't think anime and manga is a problem necessarily though some of its good.

>>20150648
I think one of japans reason for relitive success in this regard is its robust adoption culture (kind of similar to rome and some medieval stuff in a way). If a son is lacking or isnt going to be profficient enough in the family busness, the head will often adopt a up and coming protégée as his successor and son rather than pure nepotism. Making the "aristocracy' competitive while also having a degree of familial liniage. of course, in part this also influences the comapritive lack of familial bonding in jap culture as well.