/lit/ - Literature

>>20138936
Karen BTFO

>>20138936
>most
>I
Most people, even those with PhDs, have a poor understanding of even basic statistics.

>>20138944
degrees are a joke

>PhD in English
I know PhDs in Classical Studies who don't know Latin or Greek. By itself, a PhD means nothing.

>>20138944
Also Vietnam is second world.

>>20138936
Retarded foreigner doesn’t even know what third world means, they’re from a second world country.
It’s not impossible for immigrants to fully integrate into a culture but it’s rare, especially during mass movements and even moreso the more different the culture they are coming from is. For example it was a lot easier for the United States to integrate Italians than it is for the English to integrate Pakistani muslims

>>20138936
>dumb Nazi (socialist) bitch gets BTFO by based libertarian who ran away from commie hell hole
>op can’t take it
>immediately screenshots and runs to lit: “writing is nothing right guys haha. Ik this is a literature board but authors are useless right!”

>>20138955
>based libertarian
Pick one

>>20138950
US actually has a pretty sizable middle eastern population since the mid 20th century due to refugees and shit. But they integrated them pretty effectively and piecemeal bit by bit while also retaining their culture to some extent instead of just letting a flood in.

Anyone saying prove me wrong is a troll
This is an obvious troll thread with troll bait bait
Everyone line up for euthanasia

I actually thought pic related was pretty good. The Fall of Saigon sequence at the beginning was absolutely riveting, and the entire thing is written with that unrelenting, charismatic style reminiscent of Philip Roth.

Good book. I'd recommend it for anyone looking to see what style of book is winning awards these days.

>Most
It really pisses me off how these people automatically play the "not all of them are that way!!!" angle even when you make it clear up front that you don't think that.

Unless he proves hes not an exception to the rule not asmuch of own as he thinks it is

>>20138947
>>20138950
Nobody outside of 4chan actually uses the term second world anymore. It's archaic cold war jargon, and only an autist would nitpick the difference

>>20138936
yeah but asians aren't technically human so that doesn't count

>>20138936
>Qanon literally clinical schizophrenia sub-80 IQ retard woman who permanently fried her brain on methamphetamines and spent her youth drug-running for mexican cartels talks about capability to assimilate to civil society
The rightniggers aren't sending their best.

>>20138970
Most of them were Syrian/Lebanese Christians

>>20138936
>I've won [award]!
Okay. Where's your contribution to the Western canon? Oh, you don't have one? Huh...

>>20138936
The only case where this is true is with Muslims, who are too antagonistic with other groups to integrate. Everyone else can integrate fine.

>>20138991
>still assmad that the nsa won an election one (1) time

jesus christ, have the sectoids recalibrate your psionic mind control

I have a PhD in something useful.

>>20138997
I have very little idea what you are saying. I see a vague attempt at an insult but it is unclear to me what it targets and it is completely idle.

Multicultutalism in america is a meme, its usually they become an interchangeable left lib with some differnt skin paint and a watered down cuisime or an impenetrable ethnic enclave

>Won a Pulitzer Prize
In [current year] that's actually a red flag desu

>>20139010
whatever british robber, go support the current thing

>>20138955
both racism and anti-capitalism are good

>>20138992
yah, so are mexicans. Though there were also a decent amount of mulims too. though granted, most of them were the more liberal ones from placed like Kabul before overthrow.
>>20138989
eh, idk about that. there is a distinct difference between Millaysia and the congo anon.

>>20138936
>We began to hit them day and night.

>>20138989
I think it's a meaningful distinction, even if it isn't universally agreed upon. China and Mozambique are substantially different.

>>20138936
She did say “most”. I have no dog in this fight

i bet her butt smells nice.

>>20138989
First and third world are literally from the same outdated Cold War jargon.
>inb4 meanings change
Outdated colloquialisms are even more retarded than keeping to outdated jargon rigidly because it’s less than helpful, it actively prevents truer understanding of the situation.
>>20138970
Muslims make up about 1% of the US population, that proportion is closer to 5% in the UK, it’s far easier for a chunk that big to only associate with one another, which prevents integration

>>20139024
The term second world used to mean a Communist bloc country during the Cold War. Holy shit you don't even know that.

>>20139024
>yah, so are mexicans
yeah but unlike Mexicans a billion didn't come. It was like under 400,000

>Viet Thanh Nguyen is the author of Race and Resistance: Literature and Politics in Asian America. Grove/Atlantic published his novel The Sympathizer in 2015 (winner of the 2016 Pulitzer Prize), and will publish his short story collection The Refugees in 2017.

>>20138936
Vietnam people create a fairly dirty country as a whole but the individual viet is smart enough to live a good life if they can seperate themselves from other Viets. This is now news

>>20139049
meanwhile gang weed the movie never won an Oscar

>>20138950
Italians weren’t integrated for a long time and they had problems with crime (La Costa Nostra), their own enclaves (Little Italy, etc.) and even their own ethnic advocacy groups (Italian anti defamation league). There’s no reason to think Pakistanis won’t similarly assimilate, or at least the two cultures will merge together.

>>20139049
>Let us come to your country for Refuge where we will Resist you.
Huh.

>>20139055
I vacationed in Vietnam right before Covid. Loved it. They're building a wonderful country, especially considering the fact they've been invaded four times by four different superpowers in the last 80 years.

>>20139049
based bloomposter

>>20138936
>Vietnam
>Third World
Vietnam is a prime example of Second World you retard vietnam fucking shit

>>20139073
Greta food, super cheap, beautiful nature, beaches, cheap whores, even troons are based, what's not to love

>>20139071
>Kneejerk response based on title
What's it like being an emotional retard, Anon? Seems difficult.

>>20138936
Why couldn't he do anything of note in his homeland?

>>20139065
Why would I want to merge with Pakistani culture? I lose a lot by doing that and gain nothing good

>>20139065
That’s true, but I feel that Muslims will have to give up more of their home culture than Italians had to because of a greater distance between values. Those Italians were Christians and from a land that had some glancing history with democracy. Hopefully in time you will be right though.

>>20139083
You tell me.

>>20139083
if you don't know based on the titles alone exactly what these books contain you are mentally retarded. you're not wise, you're being obtuse.

>>20139110
I had to read it for a college course. It's more critical of Asian American subculture than anything else. You and >>20139107 both had a brainlet emotional reaction to the title. On a literature board that should be considered embarrassing.

First-gen immigrants can assimilate and make for proud, productive citizens; second and third gen is where the problems start.

>>20139037
>The term second world used to mean a Communist bloc country during the Cold War. Holy shit you don't even know that.
Communist country during the cold war...you mean like Vietnam?

>>20139126
>Asian American subculture

what does that even mean, nuking atlantis and emitting a cloud of toxic gas when you die?

Anyone else think Nguyen is the ugliest fucking name ever?

>>20138936
>one example proves that "most migrants can not assimilate"
They really give these PhDs to everyone don't they?

>>20139151
that's how English majors learn to argue. They cherrypick evidence and twist it to support their thesis.

>>20139151
So how many examples would you need to disprove "most"?

>>20139178
How would this disprove the statement? Most of those foreigners are wealthy in their home countries. You'd be better served finding literacy rates, incarceration rates, etc for immigrant (i.e. not rich students on visas) populations

>>20138936
>I won a prize now that only minorities are given awards
what an achievement

>>20138980
Based bookreader. Did you read his new one? I heard it wasn't nearly as good.

>>20139170
You're giving them way too much credit, what they do can barely even be called arguing. They're just projecting their own emotional-driven absolutist thinking onto others, "Not all X are like that! Just because some X are like that doesn't mean X should be violently repressed!"

>>20138936
I think people forget the meaning of the word 'most'

>>20139190
>makes and excuse and moves the goalpost
You do it, Anon. I'd love to see the crime rates of Asians vs whites in America. Go on, I'm waiting.

>>20139197
I haven't, but that wouldn't surprised me if it was worse. It really seemed like he burned all of his fuel with The Sympathizer.

>>20139212
>gets told he'll have to do something more than smugly saving a picture of Wikipedia
>"Wahh noo you moved the goalposts... You do it!!!"
Seething baby bitch can't even defend himself, then asks the other person in an argument to do it for him!

>>20139126
>critical of Asian American subculture
i'm sure it's because he/she wants asians to become monogamous christians. what do you think this disproves? do you want to get approval for having read some garbage? here: (you)
>brainlet emotional reaction
???

>>20139223
See pic related :^) Any other stats you'd like me to look up for you?

>>20139230
[Unintelligible seething]

>>20139242
>latinx
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>20139178
at least 50%

>>20139146
What’s up with every Viet having as a last name?

>>20139178
Latinos truly are not sending their best...

>>20139242
Thanks for proving my point, asians don't integrate. An integrated population would be indistinguishable from the native one, hence why nobody ever cites the "irish crime rate" or the "italian crime rate". The Asian one is cited however, simply as a model minority model because it pleases neoliberal overlords that love good little workers.

>>20139105
Since democracy doesn't reflect the will of the masses, what does it matter?

>>20138936
The third world parasite admits to not actually contributing anything useful too its host country.

>>20139230
>>20139242
>i d-didn't read that
you have no substantive argument
go back

>>20139243
>From US Census Bureau

>>20139260
>Graph is explicitly stratified by race
>"Uhh well because the graph is stratified by race that proves my point!!!"
Dumbest take yet.

Twitter screencap post should equal instant ban

>>20139242
How do any of these graphs prove anything? Even if Asians integrate well, that statement is about "most third-world migrants" not "most third-world asian migrants". Do you not understand what you're arguing for?

>>20139274
Well anon, considering the original tweet says "most foreigners" and you decided to make it all about model minority asians, conveniently ignoring the much larger population of lastinks. This should've been your strongest point, as the average American has much more in common with those stinky home depot beaners than they do with west coast asian wannabe WASPs! Unfortunately, you don't understand that "integration" does not mean "excelling", but your blinding racial prejudices may one day be lifted to reveal coherence to you.

>>20138936
>refugee from communism
Literally a second-world refugee by definition.

>>20139292
>lastinks
>beaners
>your blinding racial prejudice
Um, Anon. I...

>>20139324
If you can't understand my simple rhetorical devices please do not respond to me.

>>20139324
>Um, Anon. I...
fag

>>20138962
>Libertarianism
>Not based
Seethe, commie seethe.
>>20139021
Killing communists and people like you is good.

>>20138991
It doesn't take our best to shit on a monkey.

>>20139342
Is this the new version of "I was just pretending to be retarded?"
>>20139344
So which assblasted Anon are you?

>>20139358
>he literally doesn't get why a guy calling Mexican immigrants beaners and wetbacks would actually feel more connected with them than 2nd gen Asians with ivy league degrees
Don't stay in school, it obviously hasn't done much for you.

>>20139358
>implying you made a single good argument
i was saying you were obtuse for not getting what the books are about based on the title >>20139110 which you couldn't challenge so you stopped replying (sad!). maybe you are actually just retarded. that our you're coping, hard to tell why your reading comprehension is so bad.
but why do you ask if you won't make a counterargument?

>>20138946
Seriously? I need some proof on that. There's no way you can get into a PhD program without Latin and Greek, so it would be impossible to get a PhD without knowing them.

>>20139292
The average american probably has nothing in common with either tbqh

>>20138989
We're all about autism here, you nigger.

>>20139394
I did respond to you, and I gave you more time of day than your borderline incoherent posts warranted.

>>20139413
Then you know nothing about the average American.

>>20138944
PhDs aren't what they used to be

>>20139260
Have you never heard of the mafia xD

>>20139178
>>20139242
Twitch is that way bro

>>20138946
why in the world would a PhD in classical need to know greek or latin if their speciality isn't in greek or latin?

>>20139509
classics rather*

>>20139509
>>20139515
Classics without the Greek and Latin works is like Jewels without ice, it’s like China without rice, or the Holy Bible without Christ, crackheads without pipes, or hockey games without fights, or the ghetto without dykes.

>>20139348
>be libertarian
>talk about killing communists all day
>actually just let communists slowly erode all of your rights through gradualism while you argue with the rightist retards that you should be using as your attack dogs
many such cases

But if we never let him in those spots for the PhD and Pulitzer Prize could have gone to a white person. Why would he think that outperforming the native populace in a 0-sum game is an argument to let more people like him in?

>>20139276
It's bad on every board like this now. I'm pushing for a mandatory 24 hour ban for Twitter screencap threads.