/lit/ - Literature

>Books about coping with lack of creativity and envy of artists because you are too cowardly to try and become one?
Fixed it for you.

>>20107292
You can give reccs fag, I tried but I'm always dissatisfied with my work

>>20107318
So you keep at it, you take that work and improve it a little at a time and eventually it gets good. Most artists spend far more time failing than succeeding, we only see the end product and not all the failures it took to get to that end product. Willing to spend insane amounts of time with a failed idea just working towards what it could be is what sets most artists apart from the rest.

>>20107338
I'd be easy if I had a job that takes less time off me. I can try i guess, i always wanted the process of creating art to be giving instant gratification but it's more like a second job.
So, there aren't any books about this?

>>20107372
Making art rarely gives instant gratification, it is living with your own failure most of the time but the reward is pretty great when you finally figure it out and make it work, far greater than any instant gratification. It is the long term goal and the gratification you get in the mean time is that of getting closer to the that goal. There probably are some books which are suitable, I would research artists working process instead, see what they went through before giving up on your own art. For example, the famous On the Road which was typed out on a massive scroll so he could just keep typing and not run out of paper; by the time Kerouac sat down to write it he had already spent a few years working out every detail, ploting and outlining for hours on end with nothing to show for it, just an idea. By the time he sat down to write it he had the entire novel worked out, every detail fixed in his head, he just had to write it down.

>>20107392
Thanks brother.
I'll try doing that, I'm always ashamed of myself because most of the music, drawings and writing I did is just derivitive trash, and those few people I keep in contact with are far more creative than me.
It all gets worse when I realized I only like a few movies, books or albums so I always end up copying and fangirling about those same few things.
Going through unknown media is a slog, either I'll hate it, or I'll love it so much I'll envy the author.

>>20107283
Creativity is easy but the hard part is it can only be done when you are absent of all fear and anxiety about doing it. This is hard for most people because subconsciously they want something for their creativity, they want it to be practically productive somehow. They want it to "do" something. Ironically it can only really accomplish that if nothing is sought from it during creation.

>>20107410
Most people go through a phase of mimicking those they admire, they just get it out of the way when they are young and don't care. The easiest way to get around it is just to exploit ignorance, perhaps start trying mediums which you are less close too so you have nothing to compare yourself too, exploit your ignorance. Ultimately there is nothing wrong with being derivative, plenty of people exploit that, they create the things which they wish their idols did or just focus on being the best at the mimic, lots of people out there have a great time just being in a cover band, some even make a good living doing it.

Your problem ultimately seems to be that you have not identified why you want to do this, that will help a great deal, you need that goal to work towards before you can work towards it. And don't forget to exploit those friends, ask them for help.

>>20107438
>Your problem ultimately seems to be that you have not identified why you want to do this
I think it just boils down to being more happy with myself if I see I can create and express feelings in an artistic way, seeing how I'm not great with expressing myself in general.
>perhaps start trying mediums which you are less close too so you have nothing to compare yourself too
Could work but if I didn't already gravitate towards it I'm not sure how much enjoyment I could get from it.
>ask them for help
That friend I'm referring too is still an amateur, but she has a great drive, she recently told me I could distract myself from my sadness by consuming more media but even that always ends up like I said before:
>Going through unknown media is a slog, either I'll hate it, or I'll love it so much I'll envy the author
Still, thank you for your help

>>20107283
the first song on this one with the droning voice is a nice song

you're not gonna become a great and successful artist, let's get that out of the way. instead, you should look inside you to see what these bitter thoughts are caused by. I've know many similar people who try and pick an art skill deep in their 20s and it's kind of sad. not to project, but rather try and guess, your feelings are probably based on aging and not being satisfied with your current disposition compared to others. not the most encouraging post, I know, but the reality is that most people that take an art as a craft will never make it big, or gain notoriety, so instead of becoming frustrated with not being able to hit the jackpot, you should make creating art as something of an enjoyable escapism, or in other words - a hobby.

Revolutionary Road by Yates
The Loser by Bernhard

>>20108641
>The Loser by Bernhard
Seems pretty good, thanks brother.
>>20108610
>but the reality is that most people that take an art as a craft will never make it big, or gain notoriety
It's obviously not my goal, I never mentioned fame.
>you should make creating art as something of an enjoyable escapism, or in other words - a hobby.
This is already what I'm trying to do, but I can't enjoy my time with tinkering with arts if I don't feel like what I'm making is nice, and it leads to envy of people, not only famous, that have the ability to create something good while I don't.

>>20107283
God i hate Calvin Johnson. I'd like to murder him

>>20108764
no you don't

>>20107283
>be me
>writer
>can draw well
>choose not to make graphic novels

>>20108783
Marvel singlehandedly killed anything Hogarth did. The public doesn't even have a frame of reference for a comic/graphic novel that's not about superheroes.

>>20108770
Yes I fucking do. Fucker destroyed punk music before Nirvana

>>20108875
punk music died when it became just another lame activism schtick

>>20107283
they say write what you know
so write it

>>20108904
So, with the Clash. Got it.

>>20109211
you're not wrong, it started with fun songs like Rock the Casbah and ended up being
>punk rock IS activism

>>20107283
The Tunnel