/lit/ - Literature

Why are our threads being deleted?

Why bother posting in a thread when the janitor is just going to go full retard and delete it again?

>>20077483
The no-life spammer is reporting these threads with several IPs so we can use his shitty bait thread. Notice how it got post immediately after the last thread got pruned.

>>20077486
Because fuck the spammer that’s why. I don’t know why he seethes when people discuss books, but guy needs to seek help to his mental illness.

>>20077483
The no-life spammer is reporting these threads with several IPs so that we're force to use his shitty bait thread. Notice how that other shitty thread got a new post immediately after the true thread got pruned.

Shame people can’t just ignore that dude and have a discussion about books. He’d be gone in a day if he didn’t get a single (You).

>>20077505
No, he won't. He'll just spam the thread if he's ignored and get it deleted due to his janitor friend.

>>20077505
>Shame people can’t just ignore that dude and have a discussion about books.
He actively shits up the thread whenever books are being discuss. He'd done this multiple times now. He's seething now because people were/are reporting him due to his spam.

>>20077508
hit 4chan.org/feedback with links to the archive of what is going on

>>20077494
>>20077504
I guess we have to post on outer /lit/ now

What are the foundational 'people on a ship travelling from one place to the other' sci-fi books?

>>20077551
Depends, is the destination or the journey the important part?

>>20077515
kek, you should also start down voting.

>>20077556
The journey.

>>20077504
>Notice how that other shitty thread got a new post immediately after the true thread got pruned.
Yeah, he’s not being subtle about what’s he’s trying to do. Dumbfuck should just touch grass and get help.

>>20077562
touch grace

>>20077556
Both I guess i just love space

>>20077518
If this thread gets deleted, just use this thread until a new thread can be made. >>20077575

ITT

just finished the Dark Tower series by Stephen King, the breakers and algul siento, the image of the crimson king killing his servants and fleeing to the dark tower, power outages and darkness following him. these images got so into my head i cant get them out. what a feel, great book series.

>>20077577
Dumarest series was the primary inspiration for the Traveller RPG. It's essentially a long string of "guy shows up on a planet, does a short adventure, then its back to the spaceship and deep sleep until the next one"

>>20077507
Never thought I’ll see the day that people discussing books would make someone mad.

>>20077483
The spammer/shitposter made the OP, then deleted it later on.

>>20077595
Upvoted

What spammer are you guys talking about? I haven't seen spam.

>>20077582
>great book series.
lol no.

damn bros Diamond Age is great so far. I know Stephenson will let me down with the ending I'm sure.. but I'm digging it.

>>20077659
it's reddit trannies in heat spamming hard left progressive "authors"

>>20077518
The pathetic thing is that he’s still here.

>tfw you just finished a book you wanted to drop halfway through, but kept reading because you needed to know what the 'mystery' was behind everything happening in the and the author gives you literally zero explanations at all at the end; just vague hints
I'm never reading another book ever again.

It’s a fun read if you liked the games

>>20077852
I second this, I have three of the diablo novels but this one stood out as being a fun read.

>>20077887
I’m about half way. I’ve read a few of Knaak’s warcraft books and I never get bored in his stuff. I like how he brings in NPC’s from Act 2 and I definitely pick up on a whole lot in the book because of my knowledge of the game/lore

I'd want a book about the amazon townsfolk. Especially the fortune teller and the blacksmith girl.

>>20077582
Really is excellent, despite what some people on the general say. I will say I was extremely disappointed by the final showdown between Roland the Crimson King, though. Re-reading the original version of The Gunslinger now and I think I prefer it to the revised edition.

>>20077852
wasn't the lilith book a hidden gem that is now getting picked as the plot of D4?

>>20077551
arguably the jason's argonauts
for it's sci fi example, probably novelizations of the old speculative sci fi genre. you know those 50s pulp books about how life on jupiter, venus etc would be like.

>>20077852
I should try reading more game novels.

>>20078023
I haven’t seen that one this is my first Diablo novel. I was going to read The Sun War trilogy next or The Order

>>20078128
I meant to write The Sin War

Good fantasy that's not written by Sanderson?
He's Mormon, got no problem with them, just don't like them, theologically speaking.

>>20078168

Is Bakker homosexual bros? By chapter 2 there is homosexuality in both chapters.
Is he pro-homosexuality? Is he homosexual? Are his books pro-homosexual?

>>20078174
Steven Segall is in Killer Bean??

>>20078218
It's just a fun thing bro

>>20078218
just a prank bro

What are you guys reading? I already said I was going to read Le Guin's Earthsea trilogy soon.

>>20078357
I already said don't, it is womans fantasy of the worst kind

>>20078362
Don't really care what you say, just going to read and form my own opinion on the trilogy.

>>20078357
just started on this one

>>20078357
I’ll be reading Diablo.

>>20078357
Change that, I’ll be reading lovecraft. I’ve been putting him off for too long. I need to read him.

>>20078407

Can some anons tell me what they like or love about Dune?

I just read it for the first time, and I liked it, but somehow I feel a little blue. It's hard to say exactly why.

>>20078218
>reading prince of nothing book 1
>incest, murdering of children, implied rape
Are all of his books like this?
Does it get worse?

>>20078380
Fuck yea hope you enjoy. I’m looking forward to the Sin War. Richard A. Knaak War of the Ancients series is good if you like Warcraft

>>20077708
Is that why Bakker became so popular here almost overnight?

>>20078442
Sorry, anon. I’m going to seat in reading Diablo. I got to read Lovecraft.

>>20078442
Sorry, anon. Going to have to delay reading Diablo. I’m gonna read Lovecraft.

>>20078447
>overnight
Back to rebbit newfag

A friend recommended this book? Has any of your read it?

>>20078218
Yes, child rape is extremely pro-homosexuality, you got this

>>20078463
I've been browsing /lit/ on and off for years and had never seen him mentioned until a few months ago. Admittedly, my home board is /g/ so it's possible I've just missed it.

>>20078467
I've read the series once in one go (took less than two month). It just drew me in and I couldn't stop reading until I have finished it all. Very interesting story, very captivating. I'm sad there is just not more of it. Not many books after Prince of Nothing have felt as good as they used to. Something like the six Dune books still were pretty good, but its definitely something you might want to save for a later date as other fantasy books will pale in comparison.

>>20078407
Be prepared for disappointment. You go in expecting sublime glimpses into an unfathomable insanity inducing universe, what you get is an autistic dude scooby-doing around and then writing "it was so bad I darent write of it lest ye reader be stricken with scurvy arrrrrg"

>>20078497
Not the same guy but I read Lovecraft for his prose.

>>20077704
diamond age is the best first 2/3 of a book i’ve ever read and, somehow, the worst last 1/3

>>20078364
Of course it's your choice. You are free to pollute your brain with garbage if you want to.

TWP > TDTCB > TGO > TUC > TWLW > TTT = TJE

>>20078694
based

>>20077482
What is the Elden Ring of sffg lit, bros? Serious answers only, please.

>>20078362
>>20078687
go fuck yourself

>>20078795
How old are you? Why are you still playing videogames designed for hyperactive tweens?

The answer is Bakker.

>>20078838
I don't play From Software games (or any games, really). I am simply filled with a sense of somber wonder at the comdemned worlds and living mythologies the games let you glimpse in between whacking the living daylights out of cronenbergian monstrosities.
No anime shit (Sanderson, etc)
And no Bakker. I read a little of the first book in the series and simply didn't care enough to continue.

>threads getting deleted left and right
a new low for the american

Who is your favourite knight in fantasy?

>>20078872
Whoever he's called from Between Two Fires
Jaime Lannister
Redemption arcs are the spice that makes fantasy worth reading

>>20078872
I honestly can't think of many

>>20078884
Yeah I like Jaime too
Reading about how much he looked up to Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy and wanted to carry out justice as a kid makes me sad

>>20078795
I haven't played the game, but some fag said Wizard Knight from the pringles guy is literally Elden Ring the book. Might be true.

Why is space exploration such a rare theme in sci-fi? I don't care about robots or galactic battles or politics

>>20078925
First, it's non-trivial to make an interesting plot about exploration without any politics to add in the stakes. Second, it's not actually rare; there's the Big Dumb Object genre, all the stories about lost lands, xenoarchaeology, interdimensional journeys, hard scifi mission to bumfuck autism, and so on.

Have you actually taken look at scifi?

>>20078945
I just mean getting on a ship and flying somewhere
And no, I don't like sci-fi except star trek and doctor who

>>20078947
Check out Expedition by Wayne Barlowe. There’s also a shit load of art to go along with it because he’s an artist

>>20078991
I wouldn’t really call it novel but it does have some cool exploration

>>20078947
try tuf voyaging, dying of the light by grrm or
emphyrio, cadawal chronicles, demon princes, ports of call by jack vance

So Michael Moorcock is pretty much his greatest inspiration story-wise right?

>>20078884
>redemption arcs

>>20079106
explain youself

>>20079119
main character steals souls from his enemies while chewing on herbs to survive. Travelling the world with other eternal champions, instructed to destroy evil beings to mend the world.

Thanks for the (You), sister

>>20078357
You are in for a very comfy, SOVL-packed trip. Ignore the incels telling you otherwise

>>20077494
>>20077504
>>20077505
>>20077507
Are you talking about the b*kker autist? What the fuck is that tranny up to?

>>20079133
also the world is on the verge of ending but it'll reborn anew and the cycle shall again reset (at least in darksouls game, i believe, i don't know what happens in demon's and elden ring)

>>20079106
I honestly never thought I would see a fucking reference to Tanith Lee in a video game.

I wrote a fantasy book, and since I've lurked on and off here for some time, figured i'd give you little shits a free copy.

If you feel like actually buying it or whatever, that'd be rad as fuck. But otherwise, hope you like it :)

https://files.catbox.moe/kgxcn8.epub

>>20079264
Give summary, anon.

>>20079264
Ain't clicking this virus shit nigga. Post some excerpts and amazon link and if your scribbles succeed in amusing me I might drop a few shekels your way

>>20079355
>>20079358
here's amazon link:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q8WDH98

Book is a coming of age story about a girl who is captured by monsters to fulfil a prophecy of theirs in the face of two empires encroaching on their territory as a war unfolds between them.

>>20079358
>Ain't clicking this virus shit nigga
lol I was talking to a colleague today about how both Boomers and Gen Z are super tech illiterate both. On the one hand, you have fogeys who think everything is a virus, and then go ahead and fall for phishing scams, and on the other, you have ADD kids who can connect to streaming services and operate select apps, but have no idea wtf a file extension is.
I never quite understood how people don't just scan shit they download, or run shit through link checkers or whatever!
But it's not a virus anyway, anon! It's dolphin porn!

>>20079358
>epub
>virus
No, you do not and are not fitting in.

>>20079465
>coming of age story about a girl

>>20079496
yeah sorry. Probably should be transgenderfluid, if I wanted trad publishing to touch it!

>>20079465
at least the name and series name is evocative
much better than THE ENCHANTER

>>20079521
The book name, maybe, but the series name is literally just "The Made-Up-Name Trilogy".

>>20079525
much better than the vast majority of self-pub

>>20079465
Fuck it I've got Kindle Unlimited I'll give it a read in a couple days.

>>20079532
And when I searched it on my phone I had to go through three books from the "Daughters of Beasts" series that all featured shirtless guys posing, so a little bit of discoverability there.

>>20079552
kek sounds like romance

>look up a collection of essays by DFW on library site
>7 copies, 3 available
>look up the first book of Book of the New Sun
>1 copy, it's checked out, 8 active holds
I feel discriminated against

>>20079556
Oh I'm sure they're all trashy romance, every one of them was priced at a dollar each.

>>20079532
thanks man :)
>>20079552
Lol that's probably not ideal. I don't think that there's gonna be a lot of reader overlap there.
>>20079525
Vyshyvka is ukranian/russian embroidery. Except I spelt it wrong for the fuck of it.

>>20079587
Well I'm currently finishing off Iron Prince which is... Fine. I'm not setting my expectations high but given you're a little over half the size of that fucking okay book that didn't need to be 850 pages I'll at least be able to get through it in a reasonable time. Maybe I'll even remember to post my thoughts here some time.

Your life will be much improved and free of stress, all you have to do is follow a single principle called WWKD - What Would Kellhus Do.
Basically, whenever you feel troubled, angry, or in some other way inconvenienced, take a moment, breathe deeply (some call it probability trance), and ask yourself
>what would the most holy Aspect-Emperor Anasûrimbor Kellhus do in this situation?
whichever answer comes to mind, simply replicate it. You will start seeing the results in no time! Good luck!

>>20079668
The descriptions in the book make the arc seem far more massive than that fan art. Like, the horns being as thick as the widest part of the mountains and towering above them, with both horns being far apart, implying the bulk of the vessel is buried beneath.
There is basically meant to be an entire civilization operating in its ruins.

>>20078357
On book 6 of Elderlings. Getting a little tired of these women and their boats after how long this trilogy is but still good stuff.
Just started up wheel of time 2 after reading and hating the first one in high school but finally giving it another chance. Holy shit Jordan can't write. The intro sucked me in but now it's just page after page of Rand running around a castle has Jordan ever even imagined summarizing? I'm surprised he doesn't go into each and every shit Rand takes my god.
Also been reading Blind Voices. Great little book. Shame he never got to write more.
Also started up Darkness that Comes Before, really digging it, gives me the same feel as Dark Souls, comfy everything is fucked gothic. Love it. Not far yet. Bakker really gives no shits about accessibility just hopping to a different character every chapter so far.

>>20079668
I see what he thinks, but I do not control myself because sometimes you exist upon habit and memory and I do not know how to override this.

>>20079560
Get it off libgen if you can't wait, and remember if you download it from the Overdrive library site to Adobe Digital Editions, it stays archived even after you return it, so you can later import it to Caliber with DeDRM installed any time.

>>20079702
>The intro sucked me in
It was the best thing he ever wrote
>but now it's just page after page of Rand running around a castle
Welcome to Wheel of Time, please enjoy your stay.

>>20079697
Horns are meant to be somewhere around 10 000 "cubits" (fantasy word for foot) high, which seems to be confirmed by the description of eyewitnesses, as they just about pierce the cloud layer. Thats four Burj Khalifas stacked on top of one another

>>20079133
the eternal champion mythos ain't exceptionally original, not by the time moorcock coined it

Goddammit, I don't know what is happening to me, if I am getting old or some shit o now books aren't what ithey used to be. I can't seen to find any epic fantasy book or series of books that I think is worth wasting my time with. The last one was the Elric Saga. mediocre but straight to the point and with a good ending. I really liked Percy Jackson and him defeating demigods every or so book and hated the sequel where now I had to deal with one thousand news characters fighting for screentime and don't caring about any of them at all. Why it is so hard to find somenthing about a man or boy fighting gods and demons and saving or ending the world? I don't give a shit about the King of Bullshitland being a fat retard and his wife being a squeming and strong woman or some shit and then the protagonist being a little insignificant knigth that has to serve them and for some reason ends up killing one of then and becoming the enemy of the strong and scheming princess, no, I want a protagonist with a big sword killing supernatural entities or being the Choosen One, the Human Emperor. the Eternal Champion, the Antichrist, whafuckingrever. Why every author now has the need to put innecesary, mundane conflict in a tale of two universals forces fighting for dominion over the wolrd? I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR STRONG FEMALE COPROTAGONIST! I
DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR OTHER CAREFULLY CRAFTED ONE HUNDRED SECONDARY CHARACTERS! GO TO THE FUCKING POINT! I'm gonna not-literally kill myself if I can't find somenthing worth reading in the next few days.

>>20079841
I think the whole “guy with sword saves world” isn definitely not something you’re gonna find much of in fantasy these days since any time spent on Twitter or browsing MSWL will show that agents only really want overly complex essays on intersectional bullshit disguised thinly as fantasy.
You’d be better served reading fucking litrpg these days.
That said, I wrote this >>20079465
yet my current draft for a separate book is literally just “guy goes on a quest to save the day” and he’s a nice guy too. I’m fucking sick of antiheroes and flawed protagonists, and just wanted to write something super simple.
Just lifting a curse and saving a village, not much more to it.

>>20079604
Thanks homie! I do hope you like it, but if not that’s all good. At least it won’t have wasted too much of your time :)

>>20079881
It's not my usual fare, coming-of-age stories, but we'll see. I'm trying to broaden myself anyway.

>>20079886
Lol my grandma used to say “don’t broaden your mind too much, your head’ll get stuck in the doorway!” And you just reminded me of that. I’m gonna chuck it into my next book somewhere! Thanks!

>>20079890
'kay.

>>20078357
Reading both Lyonesse (Madouc specifically) and The Book of Atrix Wolfe. Both books are very fairy-tale but completely different styles.

Speaking of, I don’t see too much discussion of Patricia A McKillip books in this general. (Inb4 woman author, don't read.) Anyway, I quite like her prose. It suits the dream-like quality of a fairy-tale.

>>20079873
>MSWL
Was unaware of this site until now, but my god. It really hammers home the feeling that the people who dominate the publishing industry exist in a completely different world than me. Its almost like a form of culture shock. It's alienating and somewhat demoralizing. And it isn't because they want everything to be LGBT or whatever, that is more and outgrowth of the difference which is prior to any particulars. Its this feeling of having very very little common ground in the most basic kind of way, like when a homeless schizo starts talking to you at a bus stop or something. Its almost a class thing, I think. Just coming at it from vastly different backgrounds, with different values, interests, aesthetic sensibilities, and priorities.

>>20079841
The only authors who write novels like this anymore are Asian web novel writers.

>>20078357
Fifth Head of Cerberus for now and then might take a break from Wolfe after and maybe do something light like a Lee Child / Reacher book. When I switch back to sff I think I'll finally tackle the Amber series.

>>20078357
Camouflage, the Goosebumps books I have queued up on my e-reader, and maybe finish Burning Chrome, before jumping back into Sword of the Lictor to finish BotNS

>>20079262
How is Tanith of the Volcano Manor a reference to the author outside of sharing a name? Is it not mere coincidence?

>>20078357
Currently reading A Shadow Of the Torturer, the first Lord of the Rings, the Iliad, Moby Dick, and some other webnovels.

>>20080119
Tanith's Birthgrave trilogy begins with a woman waking up inside a volcano mansion fortress thing.

>>20080121
Why the fuck are you reading multiple things at a time?

>>20079506
Nobody wants another girl protagonist book.

I only read self published authors because they didn't follow the Traditional Publishing houses forced girl protagonist they are doing these days. But the fucking feminist authors found out about self publishing, and are putting out a bunch of stories with girl power written all over them.

I read almost nothing but female protagonist for a decade, I don't want no fucking coming of age story, much less one about a fucking teen girl who doesn't take responsibilities for her actions.

>>20080134
Not him, but for me its either multiple things or nothing at all. Reading multiple things allows for interesting correspondences and synchronicities to arise which I find gratifying and keeps me engaged for longer with all the texts.

>>20080157
I couldn't do it, myself. I feel weird not finishing a book if I start reading it and get at least 15% through. It's honestly why I'm still reading Iron Prince, in the hope that maybe something interesting will actually happen in this absolute nothing plot.

Has anyone read:
>Yermakov's Boomerang series (Last Communion, Epiphany, Jehad)?
>Eric Van Lustbader's Sunset Warrior series?
>C. S. Friedman's Coldfire Trilogy?
Browsing through a bookstores online catalogue for relatively more obscure things that look interesting.

>>20080147
>Nobody wants another girl protagonist book.
Some women readers do.

>>20080134
I read books based on my mood, so if i read a grim depressing novel one day then I’ll read something light the next. Also, reading multiple books keeps each novel fresh because they contrast each other. Though for webnovels I read them just because they’re addicting, anxiously waiting for a chapter and then having it come out is one of the best highs I experience daily.

>>20080192
Fair enough, I suppose. I just prefer to read one book at a time. Serial stuff is another thing entirely (even if I don't personally read web novels, I tend to forget too much by the time I remember to check them).

>>20080181
>Some women readers do.
No doubt, lets them market to women. Stay in the fucking romance category.

I don't know how, but women just fuck up stories with romance. Their protagonist is never logical, it's always feelings or some emotional shit, then they make the most inane decisions.

There have been some great blurbs for stories that came out in the past 3 years, but they were female protags and I couldn't touch it. I'm over saturated with women protags. I'm sure I read over 600 female protag books, and I can't stomach anymore.

What are some novels with girl protagonists you actually like?
Hard Mode: Originally released in English
Even Harder Mode: Above + released after 2000s

>>20080266
Honestly I like Mistborn well enough. It's rough, but Vin is one of like 4 character who's actually a character.

>>20080266
Tiffany's books!

And that's it.

>>20080274
How many fantasy novels have you read?

>>20078357
too like the lightning

>>20079106
It's sad Japs are so unoriginal, but it's based they seem to be far more influenced by shit like S&S than their Western counterparts.

Dune is wildly influential and most of its aspects have seeped into wider culture, the big exception being the mother/son journey thay takes up half the book. Why is that? Too pop freudian for modern sensibilities?

>>20080266
A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons

>>20080331
>story with a son whose mother isn't dead
>pop freudian
Jesus, yeah cuz everyone's an idiot like you

>>20080266
Would you consider Jessica to be the co-protagonist of Dune? Or Siona the co-protagonist in God Emperor?

>>20080266
I liked The Privilege of the Sword by Ellen Kushner. The main character was cute

>>20080339
His father is dead though

>>20080147
Lotta assumptions there. That’s cool, if you don’t wanna read it, don’t. But don’t assume this is some fuckin forced stronk wammen, lol no consequences for meeeee shit.
The actual message of the story is women should be good moms

>>20080383
I don't have a problem with other people reading women authors, I just have a problem with people telling me I should read X. I read enough female protags/authors to last a life time.

>>20080331
Reminder: Dune is pulp.

>>20080266
sabriel
the first book with hekat

>>20080440
All good man. Read what you wanna. I do agree that modern fantasy tends to follow a similar series of tropes, and actually faced a lot of push to change a bunch of my story to suit them when I was shopping for agents etc.
Your post came across as pretty hostile to the idea of female protagonists in general though, and I definitely think that whether primary or secondary protagonists, there have definitely been some good fantasy stories over the years with women who don’t fit the shitty message-infested mold we see today.
I grew up reading Weiss and Hickman, Gemmel, Pratchett, May, Eddings, and Donaldson, and they all wrote some pretty good wammen.

>>20079841
Have you read the Drizzt novels? I went into them super skeptical, my noise prewrinkled in disgust, and found them to be most fun books I've read in years.
The first one, Crystal Shard, you can really tell it's his first book. The writing can be rough and the pacing is off. Oddly, I found this more endearing than off-putting, and he really improves from there on. He never becomes a great writer, but boy does Salvatore understand tension, pacing and brevity. Those novels fucking *move*. It's more like edge of your seat television than anything else I've read.

Highly recommend, I'm on book 9 now.

Anybody remember a short story from a Young Fiction anthology from the early to mid 80s wherein an astronaut lands on a planet but then gets chased back to his ship by strange beings in a vehicle but the big reveal is that he is actuallly an alien and he was chased by teens in a dune buggy.

>>20080287
I haven't read many female protagonist books, admittedly.

>>20080516
Granny Weatherwax may well be one of the best characters ever. Pratchett isn't without his weak characters (Magrat is actually kinda meh) but he's got some incredible ones in there too.

>>20080566
Yeah I always thought he’d end up making her too godlike, but he was always pretty good at keeping his more OP characters pretty grounded.
I definitely preferred his earlier stuff, but she was still likeable in the Tiffany books too.

>>20080531
Gonna check it out.

>>20080181
>Some women readers do.
No one cares. If women want that they can read romance and drama books.

>>20080531
What I've generally understood is Drizzt is pretty Mary Sue-ish but it's just a fun story to read regardless?

>>20078362
And you would be wrong.

>>20080572
Tiffany herself is also pretty good. She's headstrong without being annoying, even if some of the writing does come across as "not like other girls". I like that she just makes mistakes too, often she causes her own problems and has to fix them.

>>20080633
No straight white man would ever read that.

>>20080633
Ursula Le Bad sees gender issues in the shapes of clouds.

>>20080646
>>20080661
Show us where grandma touched you....

>>20080266
Black Magician trilogy and I think that's it.

>>20080266
The Black Jewel Trilogy by Anne Bishop.

>>20080266
I haven't read enough with female protagonists that weren't Pratchett, and Pratchett's an unfair one. I admittedly was just meh on his most female-centric one of Monstrous Regiment. I didn't hate it, but nobody was strongly characterised and the plot was bleh.

>>20078357
Almost done with this. Things certainly escalated in the last part of this book. Also kind of interesting to see how somebody writing at the end of the 1990s thought the world would look in several decades. It's surprisingly down to earth, and if it couldn't have predicted smart phones it got fairly close.

>>>/v/592314324

>>20080759
Go back to /v/ and stay there already.

Have you read anything new that you enjoyed? It didn't have to be a masterpiece.

>>20080632
Yeah it's very fun, especially the original trilogy. Drizzt doesn't start to become mary sue until after that, like say I'm on book 9 and I think there's like fifty of these fucking things so I'm sure at some point he becomes intolerable and I'll put the series down but so far I've been very pleasently surprised by his character.
His introduction is fantastic, because in book 1 he's not even the protagonist, he's just a cool older mentor for Wulfgar who was the original protagonist, and I think that would actually be how Drizzt would work best is as a side character it was great. However Salvatore clearly realized he had a hit on his hand and already by book 2 Drizzt has become the main character, but being an early d&d book the focus is really on the party as a whole and the fun adventure and it's just perfectly balanced.

Then after that original trilogy he wrote a trilogy that's Drizzts back story. Not as good since it loses that party aspect but still a ton of fun and seeing Drizzt go through all these experiences that define him was a ton of fun. Now I'm in the third trilogy where Drizzts old enemies from the prequel trilogy have come to fuck things up for him and his friends. In some ways (romance particularly) the Mary Sueness is starting to show but still less than even Wheel of Time levels I would say. Mostly he's still just a fun protag working with a group of other fun protags.

Also these books are clearly, clearly not going for any kind of literary relevance. They are trash page turners and they embrace it fully, to everyone's benefit. And Salvatore is a king at writing this kind of thing. It took me trying another d&d novel series, the Dark Sun Prism Pentad, for me to truly realize just how easy a thing it is to totally fuck up and just how remarkable Salvatore is for making it look so effortless.

Fantasy before T*lkien
>here's a tight 400 page book that tells of a fantastical alien world which I will describe in vague details to stoke your imagination, while focusing on the spiritual and moral journey of the hero
Fantasy after T*lkien
>uhhhh...here's medieval Britain. Wanna know the name of every king in this 10000000 year lore I made up?

>>20080808
The only ‘new’ novels I’ve read are webnovels, if you consider new to be released in the past 5 years then here are some I’ve enjoyed. Lord of the Mysteries which is a Chinese progression webnovel inspired by lovecraft, it has a well developed interesting world and unique magic system but suffers from translation and 150 chapters for it to get good.
Then there is A Practical Guide to Sorcery which copies Kingkiller Chronicles’ magic system and the main setting is a Magic Academy. At first I thought it was going to be pozzed because of the woman author and woman mc but it was surprisingly good. It has well-developed characters that feel alive and I very much appreciate how the author balances the many story aspects. It doesn’t do anything new but it does it well.
Lastly there’s Otome Game no Heroine de Saikyou Survival which is a Japanese progression webnovel which has lots of action that I very much enjoy. I won’t say that it’s as particularly deep as the others in characters and world-building but it’s an enjoyable popcorn fest.
Webnovels don’t have as good prose or editors to take out the kinks but they do try new things which if you are looking for innovation you will very much appreciate.

>>20078694
Uh, excuse me for a second, but what in the hell do those initials stand for???

Some fag made a website dedicated to litrpg books.

the fagget just has everything in there, bad with the good.

>>20081050
Stop stealth shilling your litrpg website, fag.

>>20081063
I bet if I posted it, you probably would have said I was openly shilling it.
I was just laughing at the fagget, but you seem upset.

>>20081121
>but you seem upset.
How so? What am I even supposed to be upset over?
Sometimes posts are just banter.

>>20080480
So is Conan

Any western web novels with a lead character that is proactive and not passive?

>>20081427
Proactive protagonists tend to require the author to have planned out the rough events of the story, and a lot of web novel authors just write chapter-by-chapter with maybe a vague idea where they want to end up.

>>20081209
No shit.

Any western isekai recommendations guys?

>>20081552
The Wizard Knight
Three Hearts and Three Lions

>>20081584
Thanks for recommendations, but do you maybe have something without chosen one archetype?

>>20081602
A lot of isekai stuff tends to be chosen one by default.

>>20080266
I liked the Flavia de Luce series at least until the weird spy shit started.

>>20081602
That sounds like you want portal fantasy instead.

>>20081641
Portal fantasy and isekai are literally the same thing.

>>20081653
They really aren't at all.

>>20081674
whats the difference?

>>20081674
At a baseline level they are. "Isekai" has more associated tropes, but they're both "character from reality goes to fantasy world".

>>20081687
>>20081686
Sure, though isekai includes playing videogames and other methods that don't physically require going anywhere. It simply means otherworld and apparently that counts for them. I'm sure many more similar examples could be given. There are also other sorts of differences such as portal fantasy generally requires some literal portal whereas one of the most popular subtypes of Isekai is reincarnation.

>>20081641
Then can you recommend some portal fantasy without chosen one archetype?

>>20081708
I'd argue the distinction is without a difference. Broadly speaking, older portal fantasy tended towards it being a temporary trip and the outsider status is more permanent, whereas isekai tends towards being more permanent while the outsider status dwindles.

>>20081720
I'd argue it's more that you don't personally care about the distinction rather than there not being one. As with anything, it's just a matter in being more accurate with what one wants. Though, that also be accomplished by being more descriptive in general.

>>20080608
>>20080214
Why did both you faggots responds to some off the cuff response instead of taking the opportunity to talk about books.

>>20081734
I was agreeing, they're not really different. At most, they have different associated tropes, but you wouldn't be wrong to call an isekai a portal fantasy and vice-versa.

>>20081711
What do you mean by that exactly? Just some random people stumble unto a portal by accident? Maybe that the protagonist isn't that important overall really? That instead he accomplishes by hard work rather than destiny? What do you want in practical terms?

>>20080887
How is the middle title? Never really heard of it.

Just finished the lies of locke lamora. I almost dropped it in the first half but I was glad I didn't by the end. It was good, but I don't think I'll continue with the series. I liked the characters by the end of the story but not enough to want to follow them around. I had a good laugh at Locke being in love with someone who never appears on a single page though. 3/5

>>20081749
It'd be too much effort to make a Venn diagram of example works, but yes there's substantial overlap. I was arguing that they aren't literally the same thing.

>>20081751
People always want stories about random people and then those stories are almost always boring, because stories tend to be about exceptional people. That said, the chosen one stuff can be a bit played out, if it's just "They happen to have a talent for X thing" that can be decent.

>>20081763
She doesn't appear until the 3rd book apparently and it goes badly for them.

>the demon race are actually isekai'd Europeans

>>20081763
The protagonist with an established off-screen love interest is fine and dandy but having that happen during the story sounds weird.

WHY IS THIS BOOK SO FUCKING LONG AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>20081770
Well, maybe they think it'd be more relatable. I certainly don't think it's because literary fiction is often about unexceptional people.

>>20081792
White Devils indeed.

>>20081771
Makes sense. Nothing good ever comes from getting oneitis over prostitutes.
>>20081793
Well he doesn't fall in love with her during the story. They have a relationship before the story starts but she's just gone for the whole thing and she's mentioned pretty occasionally throughout.

>>20081796
No novel should exceed 300 pages and have a complete story.

>>20081828
Ah, that's not awful then. It kinda sets up that he has somebody to get back to when shit's done.

>>20081843
It's unrequited.

>>20081847
Well, still. It's a weird thing, but I can see it working.

>>20081847
Is it really? I thought it was at least a real relationship from the way they spoke about it. Please tell me the reason she went so far away was really just to get away from him.

>>20081864
Why don’t you just keep on reading.

>>20081866
No, I'm not going to do that. I liked the ending of the first novel and I wasn't invested enough to finish it out.
>>20081857
>>20081843
I should say this woman isn't really a factor at all in the first book. It's just bros broing it up and it's really good in that way. So if you were interested, don't let that stop you.

>>20081763
Book one is the best of the series. If you found it middling then don’t bother with the sequels. As for the love interest, their story is pretty bad when we get to see the flashbacks of their relationship in book 3.

>>20081751
Let me rephrase what I'm looking for: western isekai with mc who isn't chosen one by gods or other godly beings. He can be powerful, or even save the world, but has any personal motive in doing so. Preferably with cast of colorful characters that maybe will die or get harmed in any way.

>>20081891
Maybe Contest by Matthew Reilly.

>>20081552
>>20081891
Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

can anyone recommend some high quality self published fantasy? (assuming such a thing exists)

>>20081944
Some people are divided, but Cradle is pretty good I think.

>>20081944
The Eye of Sounnu

>>20081918
>>20081926
Alright much appreciated guys I will check them out.

>>20081961
Okay, but actually do that because 70% of the time I say "I'll check it out" I never do. Because I just fish for conversation and am usually deflated by somewhat empty answers. I didn't give you a sexy pitch or anything. Just a title. You're going to come across something you like anyway. You're just going to have to dig. And often times you dig alone.

>>20081973
Imagine saying things on 4chan just to be polite and maintain social fictions.

>>20082041
Right? You have the veil of anonymity so may as well cut the bullshit.

>>20082041
You’re welcome, anon.

>>20077482
Why is it called the seven kingdoms when there’s actually nine of them?

>>20082155
The Crownlands aren't a kingdom, it used to be divided territory between the Stormlands and the Riverlands. The Riverlands and the Iron Islands used to be one kingdom.

>>20082155
For fuck sakes, read the books, they quite literally answer this.

Why does GRRM keep on saying Robb has never lost a battle?
Seems obnoxious as fuck to me, such a stupid ideology

>>20082176
how is that an ideology

>>20082179
It isn’t. He’s just shitposting now. Just ignore him.

>>20082179
Some anons have their own personal understanding of words.

>>20082179
An obsession with power other than military power
Criticising leaders because they got defeated by traitors when they were great like Adolf Hitler

>>20081891
Thomas Covenant

>>20082165
K thx
>>20082172
Why should I read the books when GRRM will die before he finishes them and I’ve already seen the show?

>>20082209
Because they're great reading aside from some complaints like GRRM being not very subtle about his ideology
You read it for the journey not the destination

>>20082155
I think the Crown itself and the Iron Islands don't count.

>>20082209
>I’ve already seen the show?
The show sucks so bad compared to the books. The characters look a lot less interesting for example, and it just has less in it. And that's before they go off script. Don't be a TV casualty.

>>20082213
They aren't great. The first three are great, then it devolves into an unfocused ADD-addled mess.

>>20082300
Ok admittedly I've only just started AFFC

>>20082209
Cause the show is awful and stops following the books after the first couple seasons. By season 5 it was basically fan fiction. As much as people can complain about books 4 and 5 they're still way better than the show. If you actually enjoyed the show there's absolutely no reason you should not enjoy the books since the books are just more of what you liked from the show at its best early seasons.

>>20082213
>>20082268
>>20082351
I shall consider it

>>20082351
It’s unfinished and won’t be finished. Why bother?

I like that feeling you get reading ASOIAF where there's a magical thing that's not just dragons and it kind of surprises you
Like the face in the tunnel, I thought that was really awesome

Sci-fi sucks

>>20082372
I don't blame anyone for not reading them considering the state of are George in the year 2016+6 but to me it's like if you enjoyed the show at all and you're on /lit/ why wouldn't you?

11 years since a dance with dragons
eventually some readers will be able to say that a book hasnt been released since their birth

>>20082375
Still a pretty damn good read and is better than a majority of the fantasy I have read. There's plenty of bad series I never bothered to finish, I'd much rather have read incomplete excellent series like GRRM's books than wasted my time with those finished ones I'll never read to completion anyway.

>>20082448
At this point I'm in the camp that believes we will definitely get Winds of Winter, even if it is posthumously published, but we won't get A Dream of Spring, not ever.

>>20082420
>2016 was 6 years ago
what the fuck

A Game of Thrones was published in 1996. Someone who was at 18 at the time is now 44. What a long time to wait for a series to finish.

>>20082452
That's a good point, I don't think I'll read a Sword of Truth novel again but I don't regret reading up to book 5. Well, maybe I could've stopped after 4.
The thing with Ice and Fire is that it was so good and I liked it so much.

Anyone else find it hilarious when readers of ASOIAF say that the fantastical elements of the story ruined it for them or that it was jarring?
Honestly I think GRRM has a really awful and misleading image

>>20082307
That's where he just starts opening new storylines rather than riding the momentum of the ones he'd established. Pure dissolution. The first three were released a year, maybe a year and a half apart, then five years for AFFC and then it was described as "part one" of volume four, and I think it was another five years for part two. He clearly lost the plot and the book reeks of it. The words are all still there and in good order, but it's just dithering.

>>20082481
I don't care for the ice zombies.

>>20082481
>Anyone else find it hilarious when readers of ASOIAF say that the fantastical elements of the story ruined it for them or that it was jarring?
The only people I've ever seen claim this were show-to-book readers.

>>20079668
I have too much pride to lower myself to Kellhus level of whore reasoning.

>>20080266
arya arya arya

>>20082481
Ice zombies are literally the very first thing you get in book 1. The first thing, in the prologue. I could see making this kind of argument if the book started with political intrigue then slowly slipped the magic stuff in over time as a gotcha, but that isn't the case. Martin is up front and in your face with the magic from the very start of the series, and people act like they were tricked. I don't get it.

>>20080887
Absolutely based take. We were recovering from the tolkien blight but now the sjws took over. It's over.

2022 is to 2000 as 2000 was to 1978.

>>20082481
I haven't seen it that much. What I remember from westeros dot org forums, that's some of the most discussed content, like what exactly is Maester, fuck's his name, I can barely remember this now, what exactly he's doing to Gregor. Or how the Red God works and so on. The realism of the setting makes it more impactful, that's one of the hallmarks of the series.

>>20081763
It's a smart and necessary decision for a story focused on bromance. Otherwise the audience might think he's gay.

Hey guys, I'm new to this forum. Have you heard of the series "A Song of Ice and Fire"™ by George R.R. Martin? Has anybody read this little known series?

>>20082176
Because that was literally the only thing Robb had going for him. Dude was a complete failure otherwise.

>>20082541
Proof that we are in an era of stagnation.

>>20082559
Sorry >>20082540

>>20082548
Sup Sanderson, nobody likes your books

Is this the fabled discussion spoke of in the legends?

>>20082713
there's nothing to talk about because the state of modern sff is TRASH

>>20082727
You'd say that regardless of the year.

I only read Chinese webnovels

>>20081761
It's really really good.

>>20082794
What a pitiable existence.

>>20082921
I don't understand why you have Black Company and Maoyu together.

What the fuck is a web novel?

>>20082941
Generally speaking it's a work that's serialized chapter by chapter on a website with a relatively little time between each chapter so that people can get anywhere from there weekly to daily dose. Think of like a web comic, but for novels.

>>20082950
So do the novels ever finish?

>>20082963
I don't read them, but apparently yes, they do, one way or another.

>>20082975
Very interesting indeed

>>20082929
I assume the joke is they're the same or similar premise (though I don't know The Black Company at all).

>>20082997
Some even get published after. Mother of Learning is probably one of the more known examples of a published webnovel.
Was Worm ever published, actually, speaking of webnovels?

>>20082998
They aren't.

>>20083003
Is there one website where most web novels are published or is it all over the place?

>>20083018
Royal Road is the current big one I think, though other sites exist of course.

>>20083018
It depends what you want. Wattpad is probably the most popular by far, but it probably isn't going to have what you want. Then ao3 is for fanfics mostly. As noted, Royal Road is probably what you want. I think Wuxiaworld world is for Chinese. Shōsetsuka ni Narō is for Japanese, though it's in Japanese.

>Shōsetsuka ni Narō, anon-kun!

>>20078357
Currently reading The Three of Swords, a Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser collection, on weekends and Night Winds, a Kane short story collection, during the week. Highly recommend both of them.

>>20083018
royalroad for English, novelupdates for asian

>not serializing your story on your own site
NGMI!

Seems the thread survived.

>>20082473
It's Year 3 of the Pandemic.

>>20083134
It's current year +7

>>20083139
>implying

>>20083160
implying what

>>20082205
Not even once.

>>20081944
You like what you like and you don't like what you don't like. What does high quality even mean?

>>20083190
This guy gets it. Cradle's quality is "I like it enough to read all the books" and that's all that matters.

>>20079494
>not realizing viruses can be hid in anything and everything, even 4chan text if done properly

>>20083193
You need to stop posting the same image. I’m on the verge of just filtering anything related to Cadle because of you.

>>20083198
Consider being less upset by trivial matters more often.

>>20083203
He's right though, it gets annoying.

New thread
>>20083206

>>20079178
>Are you talking about the b*kker autist? What the fuck is that tranny up to?
He’s seething mostly. You know how they are.

>>20079178
>Are you talking about the b*kker autist?
Yes.
>What the fuck is that tranny up to?
not having a life.

There were 8 deleted posts in this thread.

>>20083242
And most of them were off-topic bullshit.

>>20083211
He’s still mad people are discussing books?

>>20077482
I want to read Sci-fi
What I want in sci-fi is to have advanced technology and/or advanced civilisations and I want to read a story which essentially just asks 'what would it be like if x or y was true', explores what people would be doing, how people would think, what societies would look like, etc
I am not interested in deep questions on human nature or the nature of existence at all
Any suggestions?

>>20083263

That sounds like you want short fiction rather than a novel if you mean that literally. Could you give examples? Do you mean stuff like, what if FTL was available, what if people could upload their consciousnesses into the cloud, what if everyone was immortal, what if everyone was data rather than having physical bodies, what if we lived in a Dyson sphere. Most of this would just background in anything of length.

>>20083302
You have a habit of copypasting my posts. For what purpose? You've done it several times now.

Is the adaptation any good? I hear it's only loosely based on the Foundation series

How is psychohistory any different from Nostradamus?

Books like Nier Automata?

Looking for something similar to pic related. Read it a long time ago and remember it being very cozy.