/lit/ - Literature

Ut numeri monstrant, Deus huic filo benedixit. Beatus sis, op, et bonum sit colloquium fili tui.

does Latin ACTUALLY help you to learn other romance languages? or is that a meme?

>>20051111
bonum numerum habes, op!

>>20051218
If you don't know any other Romance language it would because it's similar. But it's not like it actually makes the process of learning another language easy

>>20051218
Generally it's easier to learn any language if you speak a related language. It's still difficult, though.

I've been reading Pliny the Younger's letters in translation along with the original (ye I know I'm cheating) and the translator noted that high class Romans liked to use Ancient Greek words/phrases in their letters to come off as high brow like an English person would use French ones. Made me kek.

Sneed
thematic verb (class 6) (correct me if wrong)

atmanepada, indicative:
sing:
1. Sneede.
2. Sneedase.
3. Sneedate.
plur:
1. Sneedāmahe.
2. Sneedadhwe.
3. Sneedante.

>>20051111
digitus bonus

An exercise for /clg/
This is from St. Augustine's Confessions, 1.6.8. Post your translations and see how they compare with those of others.
For clarity Augustine is referencing his perceptions as a baby.

>>20051111
>LLPSI
>The Ranieri 7 Step Method
>The Ranieri Method (formerly the Dowling-Ranieri method)
>Lucian Pronunciation
>Ancient Greek in Action (using the Lucian Pronunciation)
how does the do it?

>>20052341
not forget
>Ranieri Reverse Recall
>Ranieri 5-Step Poetry Scanning Method
>Ranieri Audiobooks
>Ancient Greek by The Ranieri Method
>Latin by The Ranieri Method

>>20052111
If you want people to participate you should probably pick shorter excerpts, like 2-3 sentences. I know you're going to say that this isn't a "long" excerpt and it clearly isn't but it's still too much to translate on a whim for an imageboard.

Did you know that Augustine wrote that in his time, in the area of the Roman empire where he lived, people didn't distinguished between long and short vowels anymore?

>>20052559
Yes they did

>>20052569
Read Augustine's testimony by yourself.

>>20052587
Fake

>>20052829
Bald man talked about it himself.

After many attempts, I realize I can't hear the distinction between long and short vowels. When I read aloud I try to maintain the lengths but it reallly feels like an exercise in futility. I don't want to ignore them, but I just might do that, since I'll only ever be reciting to myself. If I do this and only preserve the correct stress of the word, am I really that bad?

Also, I just found out that vowel length isn't always arbitrary. Some words were shortened over time and the long vowel is the remnant of it. For example, "lūna" was originally 'lucna', and over time the c must have eroded. Am I right to assume this is why a vowel before most consonant clusters is long? There are too many long vowels for them to only distinguish homophones, so there has to be some other reason other than arbitrary long vowels for the fun of it.

>>20052882
Are you a native speaker of English?

>>20052892
Yeah. I know there is some kind of long vowels happening in English too because we have bin/bean, read/read, etc. but I don't think it's the same. Or maybe it is?

How can I tell the difference between 2nd Declension accusative's (-um) and 3rd Declension plural gentives (-um)? I was reading through chapter 11 of LLPSI and kept seeing -um being used but knew it clearly wasn't an accusative. How can you tell the difference in the cases were the ending are the same?

>>20052980
By reading more and being better at using context.

>>20052906
More like
feet (short /i/) - feed (long /i:/)
bat (short /æ/) - bad (long /æ:/)
got (short /ɑ/) - god (long /ɑ:/)

Vowels in English lengthen and shorten based on whether the word ends in a voiced consonant. Pronounce "feed" with the vowel length of "feet" and congrats, you've lengthened the short vowel.

>>20052390
I don't care if anyone participates or not
Feel free to not translate

>>20053200
>I don't care if anyone participates or not
Then why post it here

>>20053011
I can't hear any difference in those english vowels. 'feed' and 'feet' are identical to me.

>>20053543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_GHV6RTy9c

>>20052111
>post et ridere coepi, dormiens primo, deinde vigilans
Then I began to laugh, first while sleeping, then while awake

>hoc enim de me mihi indicatum est et credidi, quoniam sic videmus alios infantes: nam ista mea non memini
And this was a sign to me that I trusted in myself, since we thus see other children: for I do not remember my own [childhood?]

>et ecce paulatim sentiebam ubi essem, et voluntates mea volebam ostendere eis per quos implerentur
And lo, scarcely did I know where I was and I wanted to show my wills to them and through them be filled

>et non poteram, quia illae intus erant, foris autem illi
and I could not because they [my wills] were inside, and they [other children?] were outside

>nec ullo suo sensu valebant introire in animam meam
and by neither sense could they enter into my soul

>itaque iactabam membra et voces, signa similia voluntatibus meis, pauca quae poteram, qualia poteram: non enim erant vere simila
And so I would flail my limbs and voice, similar signs from my wills, what little I could, how I could: but they were not really similar [to my will?]

>et cum mihi non obtemperabatur, vel non intellecto vel ne obesset, indignabar non subditis maioribus et liberis non servientibus, et me de illis flendo vindicabam.
And when I was not obeyed, either because I was not understood or that I might not be harmed, I would be offended by elders not submitting and children not being served and I would revenge myself on them by crying

>tales esse infantes didici quos discere potui,
Such have I learned about those children who I could know

>et me talem fuisse magis mihi ipsi indicaverunt nescientes quam scientes nutritores mei
and not knowing such about myself, my wet nurses who did know indicated to me that I was no different

Kids are whiny and don't understand how to interact with people yet.

>>20053381
Let me guess - you don't read Latin

>>20053766
I do. Now answer the question and stop deflecting like a bitch.

>>20053787
>>20053601
Post your translation. You won't, because you can't, because you don't read Latin
Anyone who wishes to can translate. If they do, great, if not, great. You can whine and seethe but I'm going to keep posting an exercise each thread and if you don't like it I guess you'll just have to learn to live with it.

>>20053808
I don't mind you posting your shit. I just asked you a simple question. Why can't you answer it?

Fun chapter. It feels good when you can read a paragraph for the first time with some grammar stuff you haven't seen before but still intuitively understand it right away.

>>20054478
My main gripe w/ LLPSI is that you can easily tell apart cases since they use macrons. In real texts, however, these are omitted. Those training wheels set a bad precedence desu.

>>20054491
>Those training wheels set a bad precedence desu.
i don't see it
nothing wrong with using the training wheels until you're good enough at latin to figure it out yourself

>>20054491
In my opinion macra in learning texts are a necessity if you want to some day read (or write) poetry with ease.
In fact a learning book without macra is, by default, an incomplete learning book. But I see your point.

>>20051218
Obviously yes, and particularly for reading, and particularly in Italian.

Why does this faggot always look so smug? It's sort of creepy...especially now that he's bald, lmao.

>>20054740
Could you stop talking about him for a second?

>>20054756
I made 1 (one) post about him, nigger, and I only mentioned him because he's in the OP. And yeah, just look at him, what's that about?

>>20054845
"You" there was a vos, not a tu.

>>20054756
This. Stop posting his ugly face, it turns people off these threads. It's like /mu/ and that other bald retard.

Just dropping in to shit on butthurt retards who deny LLPSI supremacy

Let's talk about Indian languages or something other than LLPSI trolls

>M. Cato, ortus municipio Tusculo, adulescentulus, priusquam honoribus operam daret, versatus est in Sabinis, quod ibi heredium a patre relictum habebat.
Damn Nepos is ez.

Bald people who look like penises do not have good opinions on Latin

>>20055479
People who don't use LLPSI get filtered as soon as they finish their textbook.

>>20055520
str8 fax

Stop replying to the trolls

Don't tell me what to do.

Scribere latine, stulti!

>>20055736
>>20055706

What does the word "meis" mean?

>>20055787
Pretty funny joke... tibi

>>20055787
Si illam personam detraxero, morierisne?

>>20055940
Aegerrimum erit.

>>20055966
Vir magnus es.

>>20056072
TIBI

>>20056072
pro te

Tu ne quaesieris, scire nefas, quem mihi, quem tibi finem di dederint, Leuconoë, nec Babylonios temptaris numeros !

>>20052980
context helps but in that specific case you mainly just want to know the word

>>20053543
Because you're hearing the phonemes and not the actual sounds- which is normal for a native speaker of any given language.

>>20054491
You have to learn the length distinctions from somewhere- they're a phonemic distinction.

Here's an interesting question: How would you adapt the concept of 平仄 to English? I've seen a few suggestions.

>>20056356
i can see it happening if someone has a musical background, like w/ instruments or just singing. but if someone lacks that musical knowledge, it would be hard to explain it

>>20056379
I mean adapt it to the phonology of English. Obviously you can't directly adapt in terms of tones, since English isn't tonal.

>>20055359
Somewhat related, but I much prefer the Hindustani style of classical ghazal singing over the modern Iranian style. Indo-Persian culture is immensely fascinating, shame Persianate culture is nearly dead in India, and Hindutva idiots deride it as a foreign language, even though India has as much of a claim to the language as Iranians do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBd52Y71z60&t=65s

>>20055520
>get filtered as soon as they finish their textbook.
Bro you guys are the ones who can't make it 2 pages into Roma Aeterna, so sftu

>>20056165
>>20056167
Which is the correct way to say "for you"?

>>20056643
Pro usually means something like on behalf of, in front of, or before. So here I think tibi is better.

>>20056746
Thanks dad

>>20056643
tibi, as dative of interest

Is the subjunctive hard in Latin?

Nothing is hard in Latin.

>>20057829
Phallus meus est... et mater tua scit.

>>20057916
Based est

Pali just sounds so bonkers to my native Hindi speaking brain. It's because we use the Sanskrit words for the things Pali uses Prakritizations. It's like learning some kind of urban slang. I guess it's the consonant redpulication that takes the place of loss of consonant clusters that sounds so weird.

Hindi and Sanskrit: puṣpa (flower)
Pali: puppha

Hindi and Sanskrit: mārga (path)
Pali: magga

Hindi and Sanskrit: agni (fire)
Pali: agga

Equivalent is literally seeing people write "kangz" in a philosophical text.

>>20056356
The equivalent would be word stress.

>>20051111
Sneedus

>>20053570
this isn't anything. they just spend more time saying the first word. she might as well just say "feeet" and "feet"

>>20057986
How would you adapt that to Chinese-style 平仄 patterns?

>>20053011
All of those are short

https://streamable.com/13p1gt

>>20058024
How does 平仄 work? You're going to have to give us more to work with.

>>20057681
why do you feel like it might be?

>>20057681
No harder than in other languages I'd say. Learning how subordinate clauses using the subjunctive are formed is a pain but that's just Latin 101 stuff like memorizing conjugations. In terms of its actual usage aside from rare strange things I'd say it's just a normal subjunctive.

>>20058359
tfw I can't escape djt

Anyone else using Anki in conjunction with LLPSI?

>>20059219
yup, use it w/ this site https://bridge.haverford.edu/ to make fast decks. I recommend arranging them by frequency if you know how to use excel and then importing them into Anki so you can study the high frequency words first. I would also delete any words that show up less than 5 times

>>20059252
holy, thanks for that resource

>>20059219
I can't imagine doing this, I would just drill principal parts from a frequency list like Dickinson's college commentary occasionally and then focus on getting real Latin practice. Anything that delays you from reading real texts is a bad thing in my mind.

Although if you're talking about doing additional drilling of the learning vocabulary for a textbook in the early phases that's different. I just mean that I don't think this is necessary for Latin, past the textbook phase. But that's me.

>>20059275
I mean spending 10-20 minutes drilling anki is not that much of a commitment. Without getting too deep in jargon, our memory works in two ways: first, storage space, in which we place information for long term usage; second, retrieval, the process by which we retrieve things from our storage space.
Anki works out our ability to retrieve or recall things from our storage space. Have you ever tried to recall something, be it the name of a song or random fact/info on the spot, have it on the tip of your tongue, and yet unable to recall it fully? This is an issue, not with your storage space (long term memory), but due to your retrieval ability, which is weak, at least for x topic. You haven't worked it out. Anki solves this problem.

>>20059219
Some anon posted a deck based on Roma Aeterna a while back. I've found it pretty useful for general reading.

>>20059417
I suppose, but I just don't see the point with Latin. For decades every textbook has been based on computer-assisted analyses of word frequency to create reasonably ideal base vocabulary by the time you finish the book, precisely to minimize the necessity of rote drilling of words. Beyond that, there are so many benefits to just beginning to work with real Latin, while upgrading your textbook to a grammar compendium, that every course or uni I've seen uses this progression. 101 is textbook, 201 is babby's first real Latin.

101 is learning to ride with help from dad, 201 is riding while wobbly and falling sometimes but still doing it yourself, beyond that you can just ride, and everyone will find their own skill and investment ceiling on their own.

I have considered Anki while learning Hebrew and Russian because it's much harder to get a base vocabulary going without knowledge of enough essential root words. But with Latin? I just don't see the point. Maybe it's because I read medieval and modern Latin so I "feel" it as a living language and prefer intensive/extensive reading in stuff like early modern Latin, but I just don't perceive Latin vocabulary as something that needs to be drilled.

>>20059574
That's fine too, to pick up the words as they come up, but, being more autistic myself, I prefer deliberate practice, i.e. being prepared beforehand.

>>20059252
>delete any words that show up less than 5 times
i do the opposite

I heard Ranerii has a small wee-wee though.

>>20059851
that's because only people with small dicks like LLPSI

Should I learn japanese or latin?

I have yellow fever but I'm also autistic. WHAT DO I DO BROS.

I already know 2 romance languages + american so I could probably learn it pretty fast but I don't find roman authors to be that interested compared to greek authors (only read thucydides, plato and aristotle tho)

>>20059917
This is /clg/ so we're all going to tell you to pick Latin.
There are lots of great Roman authors, particularly in the realm of poetry imo.

>>20059917
sounds like what you actually need to study is Classical Greek

>>20059917
Learn chinese, it will satisfy your yellow fever and it has tons of autism-holes to sink yourself in like I Ching

>>20058407
Basically, tones are divided into 'level' and 'oblique' (the other three.) Then meter is based on patterns of those. Often syntactic parallelisms have opposite tones.

>>20059917
Since you already know two other Romance languages, Latin. It should be easier to grasp and the /lit/ is better.

>>20059917
Japanese is kino, but if you're hesitating, I would start with Latin. I know both, and learning japanese takes a fuckload of time.

>>20059219
>shilling a $35 app
fuck off

>>20059857
You got that backwards champ, only big dick LLPSI learners ever actually acquire Latin while everyone else struggles through Caesar after finishing their textbook at a rate of 1 page/hour until they finally give up and accept that they've been filtered

>itoddler has to pay for anki
lmao

>>20060949
Isn't anki free?

>>20060959
>being this hostile about mobile OS preference
congrats on achieving peak onions anon
also I used androids from 2010 to 2020 and the iphone blows all of them the fuck out lol

>>20061056
for desktop OSes yeah, like windows, mac, linux, and for android but apple and its appstore likes to milk their customers as much as possible

>>20059917
Latin is easier. But Japanese is comfier. Just stick to 2K/6K deck and Tae Kim’s grammar.
t. N3–N4 autistic Japanese learner.

>>20059252
I need the download link of this deck. Jesus, that’s a good-looking card.

How much harder is ancient Greek in comparison to Latin, in your experience? (and why)

>>20059917
>but I don't find roman authors to be that interested compared to greek authors
then learn Greek???

>>20062008
Greek has a lot more paradigms to memorize, and the vocabulary is way harder.
But outside of that, they are in the same level. Latin is often harder to read, because the word order is freer than in Greek.

>>20062183
This, I find Latin way harder to read and I also have less interest in (classical) Latin texts in general since they tend to be high rhetorical and low philosophical, or poetry. I prefer technical "logographer" style prose and hacking through philosophical texts like Aristotle's that deeply interest me. So Greek is subjectively easier for me when I'm reading what I like.

The main thing with Greek will always be the initial wall of having to memorize more morphology.

There are writers in both languages who are almost impenetrable even if you're pretty good. Some of the weirdest Latinists (Nicholas of Cusa comes to mind) and the most powerful Latinists (Renaissance humanists) can be really difficult because their Latin is so virtuous and wide ranging, which is a different kind of difficulty from scholastic technical jargon or Aristotelian denseness. So everything ends up being subjective past a certain point. The main thing to decide is really, do you think you can handle that initial learning curve of Greek where all you're doing is endless memorizing.

In an ideal world you will already have learned how to learn, from learning Latin, and can then apply those skills to Greek to speed up the memorization. I can imagine going into Greek first would be more daunting than the more usual route of going from Latin to Greek. But at the end of the day I think language learning is half picking whatever motivates you enough to wade through bullshit, half just sticking with it through the bullshit, and half repetition until even the really bullshitty bullshit fades into muscle memory. If you are dying to learn Greek, above all, just try it and see how it goes. 99% of people will spend a month pondering "Latin or Greek?" instead of "wasting" that time just TRYING one of them and seeing if they can hit the ground running.

To those who went from Latin to Greek, when did you decide to start learning Greek? Was there just one day you knew its time to start another language? How will I know I'm ready?

>>20062870
You're ready, start learning now.

bumpus

I've been translating Athenaze reading passages into Latin and making anki cards with Greek on one side and Latin on the other.

>>20064549
What do you do with stuff like men de or te kai

>>20064622
not him but you probably don't need a card for every particle if you have some experience with Greek already

>>20064622
men (counter point)...de (point) = quamquam...tamen

te, I usually translate as -que since it's basically an enclitic as well

>>20059219
Ecce sentence card meus

where the hell is the macron in the windows keyboard ?_?

Raneribros...

lelipsibros...

>>20064975
parvus est.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmI95yiV5S0
Is his pronounciation any good?

>>20065839
he's the best latin reader on youtube

>>20064922
Pueri in horto ludunt (?)
Pueri in Villa sunt (?)
I'm not sure what kind of answer this card thingy wants. I am yet to start using Anki.
I'm not even sure what it does. I just know it exist because its name gets thrown around quite alot here and in /int/'s /lang/
Nice digits btw

>>20065975
that one is a sentence card so you only see the sentence on the front (Quid agunt Marcus et Quintus?) and try to read and understand it
if you do, you passed the card
if you don't, you look at the back of the card (what you see in that screenshot) for help with the meaning and fail the card to try again later
the point is to speed up acquisition of grammar structures and contextual usage of words by repeated exposure to examples

of course there are other types of cards where you just have a certain word on the front, and definition on the back and try to memorize the latter
that's probably the most common card format

>>20065839
one of the few burgers who has a great pronunciation
listened to a lot of his stuff

>>20065839
Went through Librivox' Latin recordings the other day and it's either Americans sounding absolutely ridiculous or Yuropoors using ecclesiastical pronounciation. This guy sounds pretty good.

>>20066291
What's wrong with ecclesiastical?

Does the enclitic -que changes the place of the accent in Latin words? For example
>pópulus
>populúsque

>>20066384
Not the guy you asked, but nothing. It's historically less "pure", if that kind of thing bugs you. Having weened myself on based baldie's readings of Familia Romana, classical, or an attempt at it, feels more congenial to me.

I've personally found this useful in the last month or so, since finding it. If anyone likes to really 'think' in Latin, I'd recommend it, though having a half-decent comprehension of the language already is probably necessary. I'll also note that the Thesaurus Linguae Latinae, as much of it as there is, is quite nice aswell.

http://lexica.linguax.com/forc2.php

>>20066384
Italians using the ecclesiastical pronunciation is peak kino.
Most of the hate comes from burgers who use the classical pronunciation while still sounding like burgers
>are-muh we-room-quay can-o

>>20066532
apparently that still had some controversy about it even very recently
the general idea is that indeed the accent should shift to the last syllabe of the old word before the -que, but arguments from poetry would suggest that this should only happen if the last syllabe ends up being long, otherwise the accent would stay where it was in bisyllabic words or follow the usual penultimate rule for the whole new word including -que
e.g populúsque but ármaque
though for longer compounds I'm not even sure if the debate is settled, e.g póculaque? pocúlaque? póculaqué?

>>20066532
As far as I am concerned, it doesn’t. Wiktionary apparently agrees with me, since there is no primary stress symbol in its phonological transcription (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-que).).

>>20066820
e.g 13 line of the Aeneid
Kar|tha|go I|ta|li|am| con|tra| Ti|be|rī|na|que| lon|ge
the normal rhythm of dactylic hexameter would require the accent to fall on "ri", which is long by nature, if it followed the rule "always before -que" and fall on "na" it would break it

>>20066820
>>20066836
Thanks for the answers.
>this should only happen if the last syllabe ends up being long, otherwise the accent would stay where it was in bisyllabic words or follow the usual penultimate rule for the whole new word including -que
This seems very reasonable

>>20056356
You know how questions rise at the end? You know how questions rise at the end. It's like that, but everywhere.

>>20067076
Eh? How does that work for adapting the concept to poetic meter?

>>20067108
Kindly disregard, I don't know what I am talking about.

>>20067145
What's HS with a line through it an abbreviation for?

I love this Lil nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>20067149
sestertius

>>20067247
Why an H? Or is that two I's?

>>20067263
I wrote a H but now that I think about it, I think it's supposed to be two I's

>>20067397
What was the original? "I'll give you a hundred bucks if you let me leave?"

How do you say based and redpilled in Latin?

>>20067582
I suppose literally 'fundatus rubrimedicatusque' but that would be gibberish to a Roman.

>>20067649
Fuck the Romans, WE are the future, baby

>>20067649
>fundatus
Why not fundatum? Sounds like it would follow from 'it'

>>20067828
Depends on the context; if you're saying a person is based and redpilled it would be -us or -a.

>>20067835
Generally it's understood one says 'it' or 'that' is ... i think -um would be more memeable, since 99% of people don't understand or give a fuck about Latin

>>20067649
>rubrimedicatus
>rubri
I haven’t started Latin yet, but how does one know the “prefix form” of a noun or an adjective? For example, why is it “rubri-” if the adjective (at least in its nominative singular) is “rubrus/rubra/rubrum”?

>>20067958
he roughed it and made a clear mistake. it should have been one of the ones you mentoned

>>20067958
Honestly, that's just the form I've seen before, or I'm pretty sure I have. But whoever came up with it may have made a mistake.
>>20067964
>he
When you assume...

>>20067828
>>20067835
because no one here actually looked at a grammar book, do you get all these degraded vulgar latin errors

>>20067986
INPOOT bros...

>>20067986
>>20068022
Ay yo so what you be saying is Wheelock is better than LLP?

>>20068037
On my momma you jus needa lissen to native niggas and be reedin and you finna be fluen'tho

>>20068046
That is unironically how it works though, there's a lot of research on this.

>>20068053
No cap I should of lissen to y'all tho

>>20068063
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by posting in a bad imitation of AAVE. Exposure to AAVE and interacting with its speakers won't prepare you to speak General American English (unless they code switch to General American a lot around you, which frankly they probably will) but that's because GenAm and AAVE are two different linguistic varieties. You need exposure to the variety of language you want to speak.

>>20068078
Nah you good tho I must of been slippin

How big is the jump from ancient Greek to modern Greek?

>>20068103
This is a Ranieri LLPSI zone, do not post actually useful things please.

>>20068103
To my understanding, fairly big, though smaller than for most Romance languages.

>>20068120
Smaller than that between Latin and most Romance languages I mean.

1400 hanzi/kanji "memorized", another eight million to go

>>20068103
Quite large. Modern Greek's grammar has been simplified, vocabulary has shifted away from its roots, and the dative case, along with all of its ancient usage, no longer exists. Although Greek was a highly conservative language for like 2k years, at least among the elites and scholars, in the 1980s the government determined that plebian Greek was the standard, thereby losing a lot of its old features. Also, as it happened to English with French, a bunch of Turkish stuff changed modern Greek even more from its ancestral form.

>>20068147
Read phonetically annotated texts. That's what I hear a lot of people recommending.

I'm gonna go back and study the radicals properly before continuing with the GRAMS as Pound would say. I should've started with this but I didn't.

>>20068108
>don’t like ranierifags because they don’t add anything of value to the thread (I do agree)
>instead of make intelligent posts, start to shitpost
You are just like them. It’s not my fault if you thread was deleted and your ego was bruised.

>>20067582
There's supposed to be some previously untranslatable ancient greek word meaning "based". Don't know what it is. Would be appropriate to loan it in tho.

What does one call a reader of multiple languages if a speaker is a polyglot?

>>20068324
a nerd

That /lang/ thread was so much better than this one. Shame the jannies took it down. This thread is purely Latin and LLPSI spam. Someone should replace this thread with /lang/ after it reaches the bump limit.

>>20068447
/lang/ is an /int/ thread.

>>20068324
Polyliterate. Alexander Arguelles covers this concept on his youtube channel.

>>20068447
Just stop. fucking. replying. to them.

>>20067145
Quid non abeat?

hahahahae; parvus Lūcius quoque smug est.

>>20068953
abeas*

6th month of Dowling method...

No end in sight. Finally reached the subjunctive passive, but realize that I've already forgotten all the other paradigms I've written. This is hell on earth.

>>20068973
I'm also doing the paradigms but I ain't taking Dowling's shitty advice of starting to read LLPSI after you have memorized 'em all.

Spend more time with LLPSI and reviewing grammar rather than rote memorization which is all these paradigms and anki is about desu

>>20068965
what the fuck, how is it possible that he's been this smug literally his entire life?

>>20068973
Just get a text and start reading. De Bello Gallico is a good entry point. You will have to look up words or conjugations and declensions here and there but that is no big deal. Every textbook available has you reading at minimum sample sentences from the early chapters.

>>20068258
DAS RITE

>>20068549
Doesn't matter. lit lang gens have been a thing for 2021. New jannies are retard commie glowies who hate quality.

>>20059917
Start with Classical Greek. It will make both easier. Trust me, bro.

>>20068965
Is smug quia pater eius quoque smug est. Non causa eius est.

>>20068447
the worst part is the current jannydom, when there was clearly a demand for it. and the op was impressive enough to make the latin wannabes fuck off, unlike the previous no-latin op (which was titled clg no latin edition, but without making or linking another thread for the latin wannabes to shit up).

i think general lit lang threads should continue to be tried.

>>20068447
thread is fine, it's hardly surprising or abnormal that this being a website mostly populated by westerners Latin is the language getting the most attention, it would be weird if that wasn't the case
LLPSI and Ranieriposting stuff is mostly meta shitposting, this isn't rebbit

>>20051218
>does Latin ACTUALLY help you to learn other romance languages? or is that a meme?

It's obviously a meme. Italian conjugation isn't even close to Latin, and in what way does Latin help you pronounce French correctly lmao?

And even lexical knowledge doesn't even help you as half the words in Latin mean something completely different in the modern Romance languages, if they even exist in them at all.

>>20069287
No it's not. 20% is Ranieri/LLPSI shitposting, and another 20% low effort Latin posting. It should just have its own thread like jp does on int.

χαίρετε πάντες. πῶς ἔχετε; ἆρ’ ἐθέλετε διαλέγειν περὶ τῶν τοῦ πλάτωνος διανοίων;

>>20069330
/lat/ filum generale aliquanto confortante sit

>>20069330
yeah dude fuck why not also have an /old latin/ general and a separate /post classical latin/ one, it's already a miracle the janny isn't deleting this one, and as far as replies goes it's doing very well
/latin/ threads don't seem to ever work from what I've seen, some guy tried on /int/ and it was a failure, just not enough people interested there, same on /his/, maybe, and i repeat, maybe it could work here but the janny probably wouldn't allow it

>>20069482
κεὶ βουλόμενος οὐ δύναμαι, οὔτε τὴν Ἑλληνικὴν γλῶτταν οὔτε Πλάτωνος βιβλία ἱκανῶς γιγνώσκων

>>20069482
>"π" or "Π" ??

>>20069524
Then let's make the /lat/ general on /bant/ or some other shit board slow enough. It is sensible to have a latin thread separated from the rest since its the language that gets more attention and thus it tends to attract tons of newfags that always ask the same questions.

>>20069548
Shit I knew I was going to fuck something up.

>>20067968
tits with timestamp or stfu retard

>>20069774
Stop hitting on trannies, you absolute simp.

>>20069788
>"tits or gtfo" is simping
extreme retardation

>>20068973
you don't have to write them just say them out loud

>>20069524
YWNBAW

Why are latintards unable to congregate without an outer identity to shit up? Are they spiritual joggers?

Half of this thread is low effort latin posting and ranieri shitposting. Not comfy when one has to filter retards half the time.

>>20069897
just add 'Ranieri' 'bald man' 'LLPSI' to your filter

>>20069926
actually yes, thats good

bald by itself covers: bald faggot bald nigger bald retard

i love the guy but may have to filter his name

filtering llpsi may be worth it, but could block some goodposts

also might try filtering wheelock

/LLPSΙ/ won
/Ranιeri/ won
/qa/ won

>>20069330
that's a nice parallel you made there. It seems sensible to make that split just like they did in the /int/ board to contain the autists language learners.

though the anon from >>20069524 is right, jannies sometimes delete it and there's also the risk of inactivity

>>20069953
anything related to Latin should be filtered, yes.
>bruh how do i say sneed in latin KEK

god these threads are shit and completely dominated by meme recycling rather than any actual learning

i'd be up for a /eccl./ where we all write in latin and imagining sounding out our posts with ecclesiastical pronounciation

>>20068973
that's what you get for ignoring the superior Ranieri (pbuh) Method

>>20070141
>rather than any actual learning
Yeah you're right we should totally organize discord study groups to get some "actual learning" going whatever that means haha

>>20070141
they keep the thread alive, nothing or no one is stopping you from asking questions or posting challenges, etc... in both Latin and other languages
I bet without Latin and some shitposting most of the replies ITT would be bumps to keep the thread artificially alive

>>20069482
χαίρε. τὸν Ἴωνα ἐγώ νῦν μεταφέρειν.

>>20070141
>meme recycling rather than any actual learning
you cannot learn languages
you can only acquire them

>>20057984
kek
how are you learning Pali?

>>20069300
I dunno, at least in the other direction I remember approaching Latin having taken a few years of Spanish and thinking "hey, the verbal morphology still has a lot of similarities!"

>>20069774
No thanks, last time I did that on a blue board I got banned for three days.

>>20068447
>>20068549
>>20069151
>>20069253
>>20069287
>>20069330
>>20069524
>>20069552
How about /lll/, Latin Literature and Language, with emphasis on the literature?

>>20070197
Learning about languages isn't completely useless depending on your goal, but if you want to actually use the language- speaking, listening, reading, or writing- acquisition is necessary yes.

>>20069300
>Italian conjugation isn't even close to Latin
You can see some similarities in the infinitive, imperfect, present, and simple past.
"To cook" = cuocere in Italian, coquere in Latin
I was cooking = cuocevo, coquēbam
I cook = cuoco, coquō
I cooked = cossi, coxī
You cooked = cuocesti, coxistī

so how far is everyone into LLPSI?

>>20070357
Just started today.

>>20070357
started yesterday and I'm at chapter 2.

Got absolutely filtered by the genitive case, gonna try to reread the chapter tomorrow after learning some more grammar

>>20070391
you're using it wrong bro

>>20070357

daily reminder that your limited vocabulary is the main reason YOU SUCK at your language

>>20070567
godspeed anon

>>20070567
jeez I like ranieriposting but pleas tell me you aren't unironically doing this

>>20070612
I'm doing it. Unironically.

>>20069300
>knowing half the words in a language from the outset somehow doesn't help you learn it
What

>>20070615
post a vocaroo of you explaining this to a child

>>20070612
what's wrong with the method?

repeated reading is very effective

>>20070612
well well well, looks like we've got a wheel*ck chud here
get him boys

>>20070357
21

hate r*nieri for all you want but putting all of lelipsi on youtube for free is pretty based

>>20070653
if anything it resembles wheelock more than llpsi

>>20070682
?

starting to believe this guy thinks "explain to a child" means to explain all the grammar points lol

>>20070677
Yeah, he's a great guy. Now we just need someone like him for Greek.

>>20070716
Isn't he doing some stuff for Greek?

>>20070653
ἐγώ Λατῖνος οὐδέ λέγειν

>>20070720
But not nearly enough last I checked. Does he have basic vocabularies and readings in AG dialects, plus explanation for the shift from AG to MG?

I want to do epic moralistic speeches like Achilles, the gods, Odysseus, Nestor etc. in the Iliad, but there is no appropriate venue in daily life and I fear becoming Don Quixote

>>20069482
Αλλ'η μάλιστα μεν εγωγε τουτ' αν βουλοιμην, ω Κοπροκρατες. Λεγε τοινυν περι ου διαλεξομεθα;

>>20070303
It sounds good

>>20070567
Try to read Cicero once you're finished and let us know how it goes.

>>20070974
he's likely going to do better than your average wheelcuck

>>20070567
>step 2: comprehend
Lol.
>dude like just comprehend the text lmao

>>20071041
It's lingua latina bro not Ovid it's written to be easily comprehensible if you spend a few seconds trying to figure it out.

>>20071052
Then why is it even a step?

>>20071059
Because you need to spend a few seconds trying to figure it out while in the first step you go through the text without stopping

>>20071066
So step two is "read again but now try to understand what you read"?

>>20071070
yes

>>20070567
Idk man
Tbf that looks like it will suck the fun out of LLPSI pretty soon
Good luck anyway.

>>20070567
How can someone read this boring shit more than twice

anyone doing/done JACT Reading Greek?

>>20070790
Anyone who can do Greek should just make "lost plays" so that an academic they definitely don't know can "discover" them.

>>20071229
Yes, we used it in my first two years of college Greek. It was helpful in a class setting, working with other students and a professor, though I'm unsure whether it would be good enough of a resource for self-teaching alone.

>>20068549
I don't go to /int/ but just checked it out. Predictably, it's all modern language stuff. I am interested in classical literature, and no, Harry Potter in Spanish is not a classic.

>>20071229
I used it and loved it
But it's not without its faults
The first two chapters are too hard and will kill you unless you love Greek and grammar from the start
After that it's easy

>>20071413
And they learn modern languages to... talk to people in those languages... Seriously, why isn't /lang/ on /lit/ allowed?

>>20072041
"Latin is a literary language" is their reasoning I guess

>>20072041
>>20072089
Maybe I'm not being clear. Most people are boring. What's the endgame in talking with people in their language to talk about boring things?

>>20072343
Quomodo gentes esse tam autisticae possunt?

just started learning the subjunctive
Servā mē, domine!

>>20072455
Ubi putas te esse?

>>20051111
Salwaytay ameekee, waynee weedee weeky

>>20070357
I gave up on chapter 3 and am currently learning French. Not that it was too hard or anything, just wanted to learn French first.

>>20073114
I did the opposite. I found French too frustrating and went back to Latin to finish the book. I fucking hate the stupid spelling and pronunciation. I see why foreigners hate English so much.

>>20070357
capitulum vicesimum septimum
on a 10 minute walk i can mostly translate everything that happens on the walk into latin
and if I don't know how to say something I'll acknowledge to myself in Latin that I don't know how to say the word, and when I get home I'll find out

Can any one guess the Confucian proverb in seal script. Left to right. Bottom half is quite close to modern script.

>>20072629
sinico caligulas faciendi foro?

>>20073424
Quid evenit ubi hodie ambulavisti?

>>20073513
Whoa, this is what seals speak?

>>20073513
If I'm not mistaken it's 己所不欲勿施於人 (spoilered for anyone else who wants to attempt's sake.)

I found these letters written on stone in a very isolated and unpopulated area of centfal-western Spain. Someone on /int told me they were based on phoenician for sure. In this area there were no phoenicians but it is said that most old Eufopean languages were based on the phoenician alphabet.
So, the possibilities for this area are: goths, celts, or some prehistoric language (neolithic, bronze age). It is clear that it is not Spanksh or latin.

Can any try to imagine what language could they be written in? Thanks!

>>20075680
And this is other. It might be a drawing or protoindoeuropean. Any hints?

>>20062008
I found ancient Greek consistently easy, in part because I was highly motivated by Platofaggotry. All others with whom I studied had the opposite experience, finding Latin to be much easier. There's a cliché floating around that "Latin is the language of rules; Greek is the language of exceptions." Maybe I'm too biased, but I found both to be equally rule-based, each having their share of exceptions. One important difference between the two is Greek's inclusion of definite articles, which can make declension easier early on (with exceptions, ofc).

My loose take on the situation is that autistic people with good work ethic will find Latin an easier language to learn. Classical Greek was great for me since I was obsessed with PIE etymology and drawing connections among different concepts (e.g., in myth/religion), which were relatively fixed by the time of classical Latin. As a result, learning Greek vocabulary was far more associative than learning Latin vocab. But in any case, the ease with which you pick up a language depends on your motivation for doing so, which is largely determined by your attraction to the culture(s) and available body of literature. I'll probably save deeper study of Latin for when the midlife crisis hits.

>>20075887
learn latin now and save coptic for your midlife crisis

>>20075209

>>20075711
As far as I know, there's no evidence PIE was written.

>>20075944
lmao I think Coptic is going to be some hospice-level shit. The midlife crisis is when you finally read Gibbon in its entirety.

>>20075085
Non idem Anon sed hodie vidi lutum litterate pluere. Heri arenae tempestas fuit; et hodie, aqua pluens pulverem, quae adhuc in aere erat, ad solum traxit. Nunc totae superficies sordidae luti sunt.

>La vida amorosa de Claudio fue poco usual para alguien de la alta nobleza en esos tiempos. Edward Gibbon menciona que de los primeros quince emperadores, "Claudio fue el único cuyos gustos sexuales eran completamente correctos", haciendo con ello referencia a que fue el único que no mantuvo relaciones homosexuales o pederastas. Gibbon se basa en el comentario de Suetonio en el que dice que "Tuvo una gran pasión por las mujeres, pero ningún interés por los hombres."45 Suetonio y los demás historiadores de la antigüedad realmente utilizaron esta cuestión en contra de Claudio, acusándole de estar dominado por las mismas mujeres y esposas, y de actuar sometido por ellas.

>>20076176
Most people are at least a bit bisexual, they just suppress it in heteronormative society.

>>20076194
Certainly! But tell me this: do most animals live in heteronormative societies as well or is, unlike with humans, heterosexuality in their nature?

>>20076259
As far as I know homosexual behavior is actually not all that rare among many animals. Certainly it's been observed in hundred of species.

>>20076282
*hundreds
Fuck, I need to read what I write more carefully before I post.

>>20075986
So, the 2nd one might be a drawing. But I have put a book of protoindoeuropean next to the picture, so I guess in some area there are some writtings.

Any idea of the 1st one? Comparing it with phoenician alphabet some letters look similar.

>>20076282
>homosexual behavior
Homosexual behavior (fucking exclusively animals of the same sex) is extremely rare. Fucking an animal of the same sex is common with dogs (although they would fuck anything that moves, not only other dogs) but I'm not sure how common it is among wild animals, probably it's restricted to certain species of primates.

>>20076282
Well said! Do you know if homosexuality in these individual animals is innate or does it develop later?

>>20076320
Maybe I spoke imprecisely, but I meant 'fucking animals of the same sex, not necessarily exclusively'. And yeah, it's been observed in a quite a few species.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
>>20076322
How should I know?

>>20076331
Well, Anon, we could, for example, get a hold of a few animals and subject them to sexual abuse at an early age and see if their sexual behaviour differs from the animals who have been raised in normal conditions.

We need a latin thread to exclusively speak about Latin, or about other subjects but exclusively in Latin.
Someone proposed a Latin language and literature general, /lll/, would jannies allow it?

>>20076364
how would it differ from this thread? do you think it would be something else than teenagers who downloaded a pdf of LLPSI yesterday?

>>20076364
this thread is already 95% latin

new thread pls

>>20076377
Ii liquabuntur quia solum latine loqui licebit

>>20076364
This general would die without Latin, and anyway, there are so many pertinent connections between Greek and Latin that it makes no sense to separate them.

>>20076364
Just make it. Last thread before this one, Latinists let the previous latin clg die off.

new thread
>>20076640
>>20076640
>>20076640

>>20076139
Ubi habitas? In Arizona et Texas occidentali olim habitabam et tales tempestates memini.

>>20076708
Meridies Hispaniae. Verum "tempestas arenae" vocabulum quod maxime convenit non est. Ventus surgit et trahit pulverem vel arenam ab Africa ad oras hispanicas, et caelum operitur.

>>20076361
Socrates-poster, I've been away from /lit/ for years. Can I expect to see you around in other threads, or is this a one-off meeting? By far /lit/'s best interpretation of the Bane-CIA scene was that one made in the style of a Socratic dialogue.

>>20077133
'Tempestas arenae' mihi bene videtur. Nescio quomodo latine dicitur 'haboob'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lanoddCEP9k

>>20077436
Mirabilis! ...et aliquanto timendus. Hic non tam fortis tempestas arenae est. Calima nostrā linguā appellatur.

>>20076361
Fuck off, I was never abused and I still turned out bi.