/lit/ - Literature

King of /sffg/

Simple as.

>>20066096
>Criminy
He's so based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pf-DyEEGlU

Turns out it's not only Sanderson.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/author-will-wight/fantasy-novels-cradle-1-3-by-will-wight
Fantasy Novels: Cradle (1-3) by Will Wight
Help fund limited-editions, regular hardcovers, and paperbacks from the New York Times and #1 Amazon Bestselling Author Will Wight

>>20066144
>the New York Times and #1 Amazon Bestselling Author
I love how this is basically admitting that neither of those two titles mean anything at all.

>>20066096
>spend years honing your craft
>write your meticulously researched and well written fantasy book
>get a publishing deal
>book comes out
>sells 30 copies
>you now owe the publisher a million dollars from your advance

or

>nobody signs you because you aren’t a danger hair wxmyn
>you are now lost in the sea of selfpub titles, good look climbing out

or

>you try to go the e-beggar Patreon route
>you sacrifice every ounce of quality in order to become another soulless YA drone who has to pump out a chapter a week in order to keep people interested
>on top of that you get canceled on twitter for male gaze or whatever
>your Patreon brings in a whopping $400 a month before Patreon’s cut and before taxes

Brandon Sanderson is of particular interest for the moment. He has an especially active and dedicated fanbase willing to both promote and support him in meaningful ways. His Kickstarters have shown that. Does Sanderson deserve his success? That depends on your personal values. I say it doesn't matter. He's tolerable and doesn't create problems. Some have argued that not actively solving problems makes you the problem, but that's outside the scope of what I've written. I think some of those who are disappointed with The Cosmere approach it in unsuitable ways. The Cosmere is not a puzzle. A person solves a puzzle to see what couldn't be originally seen. The Cosmere is more like a trove of Easter eggs. It's also a marketing tactic.

There are many people who have unfortunate expectations when it comes to popular works. Some expect that this means they'd enjoy it as well, but individuals are not an aggregate. Often people create expectations that were never intended. The more influential someone is, the more others will want to direct that influence towards their preferences. If that influence cannot be co-opted then it must be mitigated as much as possible. What obligations does success bring? For many there seems to be many. Not the least of which is that those who are very vocal in media of any sort have a tendency to reduce everything to a culture war. All becomes a matter of providing or denying social capital.

Almost all countries have a market economy. What sells is what people want to buy. If the most popular cultural products didn't exist, that wouldn't mean that people would suddenly engage with more your preferred works in far greater numbers. It's rather difficult to force someone to enjoy something in any sincere way if they wouldn't on their own. Cultural arbiters exist, but they often aren't concerned with anything other than their own aggrandizement. Too often they're also cults of personality. Increasingly we live in a parasocial age. None of this would be a problem if people weren't so emotionally invested. For many though the entire purpose of whatever they engage with is to integrate it as part of their personal identity. I find this to be very undesirable though understandable.

Being a successful author in the current year isn't about only writing. You have to convince people to read you. Marketing alone isn't sufficient. You have to be a brand unto yourself and allow your readers to feel like they have a personal connection to you. You have to have support from many. Your work still has to be enjoyed as well. Limitless content relative to a person's lifespan exists. Why should they spend any time with yours? Even if authors were freed from commercial restraints, popular restraints would still exist. Many would still want to have as many people as possible engage with their work. Niche content may proliferate though, even more than it does now.

>>20066178
Deal with it chud

>>20066144
>$69 tier is called HARD CORE

Don't bully our boy Will. He's just trying to make it in a post-Sanderson world.

>>20066220
Wight is Bakker pilled?

>>20066238
>no gays
>no trannies
he's the anti-bakker

>>20066232
In all honesty, props to him for doing so well self-published.

>>20066249
>anti-Bakker
if that's the case, why is he making a special $69 tier for HARD pilled Bakkerchads? I think he is trying to catch the Bakker audience because they are rich and can pay big money.

>>20066178
That's been pretty blatantly obvious for a long time. In case you aren't aware, those titles are basically bought by publishers as a marketing ploy. It's so easy to do things like preorder in bulk the measly amount required within a specific time frame to achieve these titles.

>>20066280
His pozzed radar is weak, the average /sffg/ poster can detect pozzed publisher tricks easily.

>>20066144
Though Sanderson has supported Wight on multiple social media outlets and linked it.

>>20066296
Wight is an undercover Mormon infiltrating the lit machine? Big if true!

what would the death of publishers symbolize in the world of literary genre fiction?

I can't help but see a parallel to the indie scenes in videogames

is this our renaissance?

Mormon lit machine is eating up good literature, they are a bunch of black mailing goons that search and print your porn browsing history to black mail you into not writing and giving up your literature career (if you write based lit)

>>20066338
There isn't any death of publishers.

>>20066345
self publishing gaining legitimacy is practically the same as publishers losing influence

>>20066344
>they are a bunch of black mailing goons that search and print your porn browsing history
story time?

>>20066352
Some respected author tried to critique Sanderson's work by analyzing and deconstructing his writing style, the respected author even figured out how Sanderson write so quickly. The only problem is that the critaque contained information about the Mormon goon squad that call themselves "Mormon lit machine" and he basically exposed Sanderson and his Mormon goons.

Lets just say that the mormon goons in question weren't happy, and they brutally hacked the respected author browsing history and printed out pages upon pages of Hardcore porn viewing history in detail, they also did an infographic poster of the time spent watching said Hardcore porn, and the respected author had to stop writing and publishing his magnum opus.

>>20066400
bakker?!

>>20066296
In some ways The Cosmere is related to cultivation like Cradle, if only by its Eastern influences, primarily through videogames and probably also movies. Not in any explicit way, but there certainly does seem to be that sort escalation of power in a lot of his works. The anime connection is tenuous at best and is a semantic placeholder for lack of better ways to convey an overall aesthetic. The comparison to comics is warranted. Sanderson's conception of The Cosmere precedes the Marvel cinematic universe. This sort of connected universe of works isn't anything new and prior authors have attempted it as well, to varying degrees of success. Asimov tried tying some of his works together later on as well. I have no doubt others did so before him. I think they're fine, but people become too overexcited about them in every way.

>>20066192
The "good" news is that your advance will probably only be 5k, not that somehow owing someone money they decided to gamble on giving you is ever a good situation to be in.

>>20066425
I think too many people are going in trying to tie their novels together in ways that matter. Will Wight's Way compared to Sanderson's Cosmere is something I actually like more, because while yes, they do all take place in the same multiverse, the connections aren't incredibly relevant and there's no grand narrative overarching the entire series, so you don't feel like you HAVE to read them all. I'm reading Mage Errant and apparently John Bierce is wanting to do a Cosmere-style thing too and I'm just groaning. If you wanna have a multiversal story, just write a single multiversal series, don't write several series that all embody a bit of an overcompassing story, it feels... Disingenuous.

>>20066144
had a laugh at his sanderson-spoof video

>>20066439
>Mage Errant

>>20066407
The respected author is working on something to counter the black mail.

It's a lengthy process of working with the Mormon lit machine and completing a list of jobs, after completing a job a page of the Hardcore porn will be shredded, most of the pages are gone but the most Hardcore ones remain. the respected author is working on the magnum opus on the side as he works for the Mormon lit machine.

>>20065738
>Specifically, I am certain there is a vast, unfulfilled appetite for more character-driven fantasy a la ASOIAF. Character work is historically the weakest facet of the genre.
There is a vast, unfulfilled appetite for non pozzed non coom fantasy and science fiction. Several authors could possibly write non pozzed but almost none can meet the non coom standard.

>>20066477
It's the Mormons fault, they pozzed the market into an un-pozzable state.

>>20066491
*un-non-pozzable

Oh, I see why /sffg/ is so crummy nowadays. It's the effort-free schizoposting.

>>20066491
>>20066503
Never read sanderson and I am not planning to but I have seen tons of excerpts of his posted on /sffg. His prose is absolute cancer, he is mildly pozzed and is an absolute coom brain.
He shouldn't not be allowed to write.

>>20066542
What did you expect? he is a gang leader writing books, he is goon brained and he is only good at black mailing and beating up critics.

Been a while since I've seen anyone talk about SF/F periodicals/magazines/journals. Do you know any good ones besides Clarkesworld and BNS?

>>20066585

>“One, two, three… nine. Indeed, it is nine vitality leaves.” Jiang Ya counted three times before closing the bag and carefully keeping the bag close to his body.

>Next, he raised his cup, toasting to Fang Yuan. “Lord Fang Yuan, happy doing business with you, let me toast you!”

>His gaze towards Fang Yuan carried deep admiration, even turning into a hint of jealousy.

>A year ago, when it was also spring. The first time he met Fang Yuan, the latter was still a student at the academy, not even having the rights to wear the Gu Master’s battle attire.

>But now, Fang Yuan was not only wearing battle attire, his belt was also red colour, and a square steel piece in the center of the belt — a Rank two Gu Master!

>However, he himself was still a Rank one, carrying a green coloured belt.

>Nevermind that, what made him jealous was, after getting the inheritance, Fang Yuan turned from a pauper into a tycoon.

>>20066580
>(((saturn)))

>>20066598
Owned by Mormons secretly.

>>20066604
Prove it.

>>20066618
Disprove it.

>>20066626
Mormons don't exist.

>>20066618
Its a known fact.

>>20066636
Prove it.

>>20066639
I've never seen one or met one. QED.

>>20066649
This is what they want you to believe.

I love fantasy in theory but I don't like fantasy in practice
Lud in the mist is pretty decent though

>>20066700
>w*men book
non-supreme man, non-supreme

>>20066700
Same. Authors accidentally squander their own ideas and images in opposition to their own divine imagination.

>>20066295
Then why did he detect it?

>>20066144
lol, new york times would not advertise it if it wasn't pozzed.

>>20066764
It should be a common known thing, why is he pointing it out like he cracked the code of the universe? everyone knows New York Times is pozzed.

>>20066799
Then why are you commenting? All the things that you have just said have been thought and said before.

>>20066806
>Then why are you commenting
Yes, why, why do we post on a message board.

>>20066199
Didn't read lol

>>20066192
>you now owe the publisher a million dollars from your advance
You don't repay the advance you retard