/lit/ - Literature

>>20061523
As opposed to books that actively make your life worse? What kind of books would those even be?

>>20061559
Probably conspiracy books or something.

>>20061559

>>20061566
>be a good goy
>be more productive
>don't question anything

>>20061576
No anon, like indoctrination books.

>>20061523
Internal self help kino

>>20061584
Are they? Serious question

>>20061858
mind illuminated is okay, provides some good information, but I find it to be a bit slow in terms of the actual progression

>>20061523
I have a 17.1 BMI should I still read books about weight loss?

>>20061881
yeas

>>20061523
12 rules for life by peterson.... good book

I’ve read probably 100+ self-development books and none of them did anything long term.
All that really helps is diet, exercise, racetams, mushrooms, and most importantly of all, money.

>>20061998
But did you know that before reading 100+ self-development books?

>>20062006
The only components most of these books ever even mention are diet and exercise, and then only in passing and without specifics. Most of it is is just basic life advice that’s easy to say and be inspired by but wears off eventually in execution unless you have a physiology that would make the books redundant anyway.

You shut your mouth, how can you say. I go about things the wrong way? I am human and I need to be loved. Just like everybody else does

Stirner. I am serious.

>>20062045
The average /sci/

>>20061998
>and most importantly of all, money.
well said
>>20061559
Probably a self-help book that tells you to 'take a chance' and has 6 anecdotes that drive home two themes:
>1. you've been conditioned to believe you're not good enough
>2. fear is the only thing stopping you
So you invest a bunch of money in your 'dream business' despite not having the managerial experience, the client base, choosing a very bad location that doesn't bring enough foot traffic nor the right clientele, and foolishly working for your own business unpaid and claiming that you're making a profit.

>>20062133
Interesting. What's the reasoning behind such an effect? What makes one deserve and one not deserve something?

>>20062127
I feel for your story and have also fallen for the trap of believing in myself.
Like 6 times desu.

>>20062141
They (the anon) made it up

>>20061858
Yes. If applied diligently they will turn your brain into a happiness generator.

>>20062141
Someone called it "burden of performance"

>>20062166
Damn, some grifter is going to say "your resilience is goign to be the key to your success". Yuck.
I believe in myself, unfortunately it's people with money and influence who don't believe in me

>>20062231
>happiness

>>20061523
>What are some books you've read that actively made your life better?

>>20061557
No offense but shit like this is why our culture is headed for a rude awakening. People are being taught to mentally masturbate to disgusting degenerate killers instead of actually being good loving people. It's kind if abhorrent

>>20061998
>I’ve read probably 100+ self-development books and none of them did anything long term.
Same. Conspiracy theories and esoteric knowledge meanwhile had a massive effect on me - the truth vs money sucker amazon best sellers telling people a bunch of bunk.

>>20062231
>If applied diligently
That's clearly a "no". It's already clear that if it doesn't work there's going to be a Hermeneutical excuse or some victim blaming: "you didn't apply hard enough'.
Explain in one paragraph how you 'diligently apply' any one of those books such that persistence is all that's needed. Explain it so clearly that there's no room for misinterpretation. That work goes in and happiness comes out.
Otherwise I call bullshit.

>>20062318
Agreed, people including myself have been trained to find any kid of pearl-clutching about psychopaths “cringe”, but the entire reason it’s classified as a disorder is because it’s a destructive cancer. There’s nothing to envy in whatever transient material success they have. These aren’t fulfilled healthy animals. People are blinded by their jealousy instead of fully internalizing the idea that anyone that gets to billionaire status or to the tops of most hierarchies is profoundly mentally I’ll and not at peace.

>>20062332
> It's already clear that if it doesn't work there's going to be a Hermeneutical excuse or some victim blaming: "you didn't apply hard enough'.
This is my same reasoning towards therapy.

>>20062383
You have a bizarre definition of "mental Illness"

>>20061523
Going ecophilosophy mode for a month made me stop giving a shit about the trivial things in life.

>>20062394
Funny that. Imagine you see a doctor because you have a pain in your arm. He tells you to rest, not use it for any hard labor, and come back in a week if it still hurts. You come back, it still hurts.
>You haven't been resting like I told you?
Rather than wondering if he's failed to properly diagnose the problem.

>>20061523
Bible
Martin Luthers commentary of romans
Be ye transformed by Nancy missler
G campbell morgan the Westminster pulpit vol. 4

>>20062441
So, what do you do now then?

>>20062452
Sow turnips

>>20062141
Woman naturally are the receiver- you know the recipient of a phallus, the object to be gained by courting, the one to care for, if we made man and woman one body we could say she is the mind


The man is the giver- the one who does, the one to insert his phallus into the recipient, he chooses and decides by action, he goes out and works, he produces through his work. If we were making man and woman one body he would be the body.

When a man is lonely he pursues a woman. When a woman is lonely she makes her self more attractive in order to be pursued.

A man’s greatest achievement is to be something. The woman’s greatest achievement is to raise children to be something great.

A man totally controls the relationship between the two. A woman seeks to influence the relationships trajectory by passive influence, yet it is the man’s performance that makes it breaks it.

>>20062398
My main issue with the common definition is the idea that one is only unwell if it causes harm to *oneself*.

>>20062445
It would be that, but the instruction from a therapist is more like “set your own arm”.
If I’m already doing it myself why the fuck would I pay some idiot to sit there and watch?

>>20062475
You must be 18 to post on this site

>>20062481
Are you implying that individuals should take "society"'s well-being into account?
God Foucault was right, psychiatry is an oppressive tool of the powers that be, not unlike prisons

>>20062493
No, that an individual that enjoys inflicting harm on other individuals is mentally ill.

books are boring.

I prefer to just do drugs and masturbate

>>20062520
You will reap destruction doing that my friend

>>20062486
I haven't been in therapy in maybe a decade, but do you find that unless something is clearly wrong (or against social values) they are just telling you what *they think* you want to hear?
Do you find that you have to censor yourself, not out of fear that they will judge you, but out of the fact that they will pick up on some implicit desire within you and will encourage it, verbalize license to follow threw with it?
Because I suspect that's why they get paid to just "sit there and watch".

>>20061571
It wasnt this but rather the polygamous sex, same shit though, either way its the only book I ever read that came close to changing my life and worldview and flipping it upside down

>>20061523
Are you that /biz/ anon from the other day? Still hoping we can make a better, updated reading list.

>>20062528
woah everyone dies in the end? color me surprised

>>20062332
The ultramind solution gives nutritional information that improves health wellbeing and happiness. There is plenty of evidence that eating healthy improves happiness and you can see the huge amount of online reviews it got praising it.

The mind illuminated is a beginner to advanced meditation guide without fluff or spiritual claims. Once again there is plenty of evidence a basic meditation practice improves happiness significantly and you can see all the praise this book got Online as well as the communities that popped up around it. Once again there is enormous amounts of accounts people have or meditation changing their life.

Self therapy by Jay Earely simply helps you apply IFS therapy techniques on yourself to heal emotional wounds and create a better happier state of mind. IFS is an evidence based therapy that has been proven to help enough to be approved by the APA and get insurance coverage.

Ultimately the books are just about eating healthy, meditating, and therapeutic practices. Billions to millions of people have done these things to improve happiness, these books are just particularly detailed and efficient ways of doing it.

>>20062493
>Are you implying that individuals should take "society"'s well-being into account?
It is certainly an ideal, yes. Even Homer wrote of such things.

>>20061559
Any book that blackpills you makes your life worse.

>>20062383
Psychopathy isn't a mental disorder, it's a personality disorder. Psychopaths know exactly what they are doing at all times and feel no remorse the destructive shit they, a mentally ill person is not like that at all.

>>20063304
for the destructive shit they do*

>>20063250
Fuck you, I specifically asked you in under a paragraph to explain how to diligently apply it instead you've made unverifiable claims about "evidence". No links to said evidence. No description of the mechanisms and the causality.
And not even a caution:
>Here's how you should NOT use these books...
there is nothing in your post about how to diligently apply, or even how to broadly and lazily apply the lessons of any of those books.
In short: those books sound shit.

>>20063309
>y-you have no evidence eating healthy, meditation, or therapy has ever helped anyone

Ok, you’re retarded.

>>20061557
>wisdom of psychopaths
>saints, spies and serial killers

>>20063321
>There's evidence that astrology and crystals have helped people, therefore you're a retard
Nice try but it doesn't work like that.
Also therapy does not help people any more than talking to a doctor or a priest. That still doesn't change the the fact that those books sound shit. And you have failed to present a case why they are the best sources of instruction on how to 'self improve'.
Healthy Eating could refer to all manner of diets, how do I know that the 'nutritional information' in that book isn't all bullshit? I don't and by the sounds of your evasive manner, neither do you. Fuck you and fuck your books.

>>20062452
The same stuff. I just worry less

>>20061523
my diary desu

>>20061523
Honestly eventually here's what happens if you read enough
1) Read science-based literature that explains the world - wow this is neat, but I wanna know more
2) Read more philosophical or essay like NF to expand horizons
3) Wow, the good ones that I enjoy and find useful are mostly Christian
4) Read Holy Bible and convert
Rinse repeat

>>20063527
can confirm. read all this philosophy only to realize I should have started with the Bible

>>20061523
AA big book

>>20061523
>five
Maybe you should read a book on how to count first.

>>20063663
You realize nearly all human genius is just cleverly applying the Gospels to our world. It's quite a realization tbvh

The 3 pillars of zen

>>20061523
Kybalion