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jews bad
marx jew
woke jew
marx bad
marx woke

It's part of the jewish schizophrenia and goy followers extended universe.

Specters of Marx by Jacques Derrida has been ironically very prophetic. Pretty much predicted the Peterson and CRT culture war shit.

>>20039506
>Marxist class struggle is reappropriated by bougioise academics
>reinterpret class struggle in terms of concerns about womens rights, civil rights, LGBT rights, etc.
>suddenly it becomes profitable; big business realises these new denominations of identity are untapped markets
>start marketing to said untapped demographics with progressive “we’re on your side” campaigns. This is globohomo/woke capital
>Marxist thought, emptied of all significance of class struggle, is now chained to the interests of corporations
>class consciousness rendered impossible as everyone is fragmented into tribalist self-interest groups
>revolution rendered impossible
>consider suicide

>>20039562
Guess marxism isnt all that convincing and got checkmated by capital.

>>20039506
>labor is entitled to value
>ownership system means labor receives reduced value
>inequality between value gained under each system
>woke has entered the chat: Injustice??!?

Wokeness can be loosely defined as the expression of power with the intended aim to create a universal standard. What makes wokeness irredeemable is it opposes natural variance. The natural randomness of distribution of traits is a problem wokeness opposes. There's nothing wrong with creating minimum standards but enforcing a universal standard is unnatural. In pursuit of its bloated aims wokeness runs into all the usual pitfalls of any sufficiently large power structure capable of enacting the changes it desires. Once a power structure has the potential the potential itself alters the behavior of the entity. Typical exploitation, tyranny, and all other stupid pettiness infect the structure. It's ironic that "wokeness" displays these traits, but only if you value the ethos. Any ethos is just a clothed will to power. When the clothing comes off pure power driven behavior is all that should be expected.

>>20039574
The opposite, actually. Marxism is so convincing that it NEEDED to be enslaved to capital and removed of its fangs, as it posed too much of a threat. By sublimating all of those revolutionary energies into bougioise concerns of idpol, then dividing people against each other based on these new identity groups, capitalism was able to suppress the threat that Marxism could have posed to itself. Now however, it’s own progressivist tendencies are slowly eating itself alive.

The Strange Death of Marxism by Paul Gottfried
Consumer Society by Baudrillard

Those two spell it out plainly.

>>20039562
the industrial brutality of it all, were leftists not only forgot about marxism but also about foucault and the criticism of psychiatry and biopolitics . like the conservatives of old they recurr to mystification, appealing to supposed primordial racial and gender qualities in order to obscure the mechanisms through which capitalism creates productive subjects. identity politics is not incompatible with scientism or authoritarian institutionalism because they all distribute power in the same way between the inmates to be treated and the staff to administer the treatment.

>>20039562
Marginalized folks have every reason to trust progressive bourgeoisie and managerial strata over fascist white settlers who want them dead.we have every right to deplatform fascists and reactionaries and class reductionists and science deniers and ensure safety for marginalized and vulnerable members of our communities. We have every right to demand the destigmatization and normalization of sex work, mental health, fat positivity, pornography, drug use, decolonization prison abolition police abolition family abolition the sexual enmancipation of children and an end to white supremacy and the gender binary.

Instead of pandering to the most backward secrors of the working class we should lead the way along with the most advanced ones, black and indigenous people, and queer/ trans sex workers. Sex workers 2gnot the straight male labour aristokkkracy who are at the vanguard of the proletarian movement, women and queer people taking the means of production into their own hands by refusing to perform unpaid sexual and emotional labor for white men. The real class struggle is not in factories but in womens bodies. Sexwork is a threat to patriarchy the capitalist system itself it is radically queer because it goes against the idea that sex is for the reproduction of the nuclear family and the patriarchal ideology of romantic love. Its a means for workers to take the means of production into their own hands here and now to abolish the distinction between the private sphere and the public, between work and pleasure and self expression. To break down the walls of lily white christian suburbia into a brave new world of pleasure rebellion and freedom. Yes it is true what they say about us queer postmodern neomarxists We are gonna groom all your daughters to be whores and your sons to be nympho trans seworkers.

>>20039613
All memes aside such a narrow ideology fails because it is ignorant of children. Observe how parents react around very small children. You aren't going to uproot that biological response and replace it with your post puberty ideology. You lack an awareness of timing.

>>20039506
Basically :
old-school Marxist: proles are the bedrock of society; their labor is exploited by the bourgiouse.
They must rise up and seize the means of production! All of history is the history of class conflict between the owners and proles.
Critical Race Theorists: X racial minority is the bedrock of society who are exploited by the dominant race. X minority group most rise up. All of history is the history of racial conflict--of the exploitation of a dominant race over a minority race.
Basically they take the underlying theoretical structure of Marxism & just replace the proles with minorities. Like Marxism, though, it's a completely reductive and retarded way to view history.

>>20039593
Sounds like cope to me, if it was that powerful it couldnt be enslaved at all. Maybe that "inevitable" part will kick in any day now

>>20039613
Not reading all of that. Here’s your (You).

>>20039506
Marxiam = gnosticism
Woke = gnosis

>>20039684
The power that progressivism has over politics, corporate culture, media, etc.. is proof enough that Marxism had such revolutionary potential that it needed to be sublimated and fractured. If you’re the kind of person who complains about “SJW shit gone mad”, then what you’re doing is showing clearly you understand just how powerful that radicalism is.

>>20039589
>with the intended aim to create a universal standard
isnt that just capitalism? like the right wing version, the woke ideology is a series mechanisms designed to discipline productive subjects within the capitalist system. to do so you must appeal to qualities constructed as natural and primordial, gender and race, objective morality, psychological normality an image of universal man that doesnt exist apart from the institutions that produce it, be it churches or political parties.

>>20039699
I mean that shit was happening when the dude was still alive, its just the tendency of what movements do in general especially left wing movements. Thinking its just le porky pulling the strings is a cope

>>20039506
probably something exposing the Frankfurt school

>>20039699
>is proof enough that Marxism had such revolutionary potential that it needed to be sublimated and fractured.
Sublimation is inevitable and natural. All revolution even if successful resolves itself into a new power structure. There's no such thing and will never be a society of total equality, where there's no power structure or inequality. Inequality is a natural function of the size of society. The reason you're revolutionary larp game always becomes "sublimated" is that sublimation is how one advances one's particular concerns--each side makes a concession to the other, e.g activists use the means they have to threaten an institution, in turn if they are successful institution gives them some concessions. Or alternatively if there's zero possibility of negotiation people revolt and if they succeed a new power structure inevitably takes the place of the old one. In either case "sublimation" is inevitable because believe it or not most people don't want to be in a state of permanent revolution--revolution is only a political tool in extreme circumstances where other forms of negotiation have failed. It's not in itself a desirable state or goal.

>>20039675
the myth of childhood inocence is the myth of white innocence all children are born queer.

>>20039506

it is our job as white allies to combat the spread of white ideas within the PoC commubnity., As fannon tells us the process of decolonization is by neccesity a violent one for the colonized as well as for the colonizer. patriarchal cultures of fat shaming queer shaming crack and heroin shaming, a white supremacist eurocentric culture based on the tyranny of the written word must be fought and taken out at their root, only thne can total liberation take place.

>>20039506
astroturfing and liberal psy ops

>>20039744
>the myth of childhood inocence is the myth
based
>of white innocence all children are born queer.
cringes

>>20039691
Here it, is the dumbest post on /lit/

>>20040003
Not an argument.

>>20039562
>t. couldn't afford their essential worker funko pop

>>20040015
I don't need to argue with something that's pants on head retarded, it crumbles fine enough on it's own merits.

Read the book Settlers by J Sakai with the context of knowing that it was manufactured by the CIA to discredit as well as divide and conquer leftist movements in North America and that “J Sakai” doesn’t exist.

>>20040029
Why did you reply to me if you're unable to argue? I recommend reading a book on rhetoric.

>>20040044
Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad. Woke ideology is the opposite of Marxism materialist universalism that you claim it to be the natural conclusion of.

>>20040051
Oh right. I forgot that all Marxists agree with each other.

Thread about Marxist economists: deleted

Dumb shit thread about how Marxists got woke: still up

>>20039506
"A society that cannot discern the ugly from the different will rot—as have those
before it."

>>20039542

The importance of SOM can hardly be overstated.

>>20040094
>marxist economics
no such thing

Marxism is a dead religion kept alive by wokeness so the topic is much more relevant

>>20039593
Hahahaah nice troll.

I hate communusts too. All lazy rich kids who live at their parents and want their parents money with no work.

>>20039613
top tier pottery

>>20040073
Willfully retarded.

>>20039506
The Communist Manifesto already claims that all world cultures and civilizations will naturally implode. All social norms, religions, gender roles, customs, taboos and societies will be disintegrated by capital. So are you really surprised when leftists are the ones who support all this shit? Marx already knew this would happen, just maybe not in his name.

>>20039506
just go on 4chan and watch posters mix up liberal vs. leftist over and over

>>20040511
I think it’s surprising because Marx didn’t want those things to happen and neither do I.
I’d love to have a family, but it costs so much and immigrants are cheaper to employ anyway.

>>20039613
Nice pasta

>>20040548
Cope, this is why leftists eat each other and walk all over themselves because they can't stick to a single definition and don't understand their own rhetoric. Making a distinction to just 4chan is silly

>>20039726
So why do conservatives and reactionaries so often romanticize his time if that shit was happening back then? You don't need to answer, I know you're being disingenuous

>>20040682
>Marx didn’t want those things to happen

I think socialism makes more sense as a movement that mediates capital and prevents it from destroying the world; this is something that China completely understands which is why they integrated capital in their system and promote traditional Chinese values in addition to socialist organization. Other leftists have not done the same. They brazenly support every consequence of capitalism and endorse the most horrific vices and degeneracies that it produces. There's insufficient evidence to suggest that Marx wanted to protect family values and social structures since he was so confident in the inevitably of historical progress. That's one of his greatest flaws, because now every leftist is a subhuman dreg who perform maintenance on the capitalist system using his own principals as their guide.

Why cant online marxoids cope with the fact that leftists made their own downfall

>>20040863
Conservatives probably think muh first wave feminism was fine at this point, them being libs in slow mode an all that. Who honestly cares what reactionaries think. But not really sure what this goalpost move has to do with anything

>>20039562
I think this is generally right. Academics in different disciplines appropriated the language of solidarity, oppression, etc, and applied it to feminism and race. The rise of intersectionality is what killed marxism.

>>20039506
>mfw had literally the exact opposite experience after getting my first steady job

>>20039562
it's rather brilliant though, isn't it? well played capitalism lol

>>20040909
Keep it coming, I can't get enough of these dumbfuck "trad China" takes.

>communism is when taxes

marxism is whatever i don't like

deal with it

>>20041114
Same here.

t. Marxian

>>20040863
you mean contemporary anglophone self-described "conservatives" don't actually know anything about history? quelle surprise

>>20040711
I'm terrified that we might get to that point though. People have been shown to be that easily brainwashed.

>>20041078
China still has all the problems that developed states and liberal states have, but it's their official ideology that they combine socialism with Chinese culture rather than allow Chinese culture to disintegrate, which Mao tried to do.

>>20039613
KEK this is Italian Nonna pasta tier. To think university educated people unironically believe this and some profs make millions by giving speeches for corporations.

>>20041215
No, they don't know the rewritten history of the indoctrinated. Just because you learned it from a teacher, doesn't make it true. Especially in the realm of college, where the indoctrinated view things from a "critical" perspective and not actually what happened.

>>20041083
Who hurt you?

>>20039593
This is correct. Marxism and genuine classic leftist thought has been ruined by idpol the same way western protest was pacified and ruined by hippies. Now much of activism is largely characterized as a bunch of whiny rich sjws rather than armed militiamen demanding fair pay and unionizing.

>>20039562
sadly, this

>>20039562
This, except last three. Class consciousness, is still here. Occupy wall street, the spanish indignados, the yellow vests, proved it.
However, class consciousness is mostly present in a small fraction of the proletariat, and still hasn't reached the masses.
What will make class consciousness reach the masses?
The final crisis of Capitalism, which we unironically have entered. See central banks negative interest rates.

>>20040548
Same shit unless you consider a 1% difference something different. Which you will if you’re a retard, and you make it obvious what side you’re on

>>20039562
And that second step is the cultural Marxism postmodern blah blah that Peterson talks about. He just gave it a term that triggers theory purists. Still happening, though.

>>20042540
Peterson is part of the identity politics psy-ops.
He role is to divert people attention from class struggle.
Reminder that he was invited, and has a place of choice, in the Joe "nigger" Rogan show, which is a CIA plant.

>>20042516
Interest rates have been zero for decades now, especially in Europe. They're actually starting to climb again due to increased inflation during the Pandemic.

>>20042529
Left and right are concepts of Capitalism.
Stop pretending you are some sort of rebel because you are a rightist Capitalist. You are no better than a leftist Capitalist (market socialist).

>>20042653
Wrong. Central banks interest rates were in the 2%-5% range during the 2000s. During the 2010s, they indeed were indeed already abysmally low, in the 0.5%-1% order.
But they are going even lower now.
I mean, only classical marxists, and some Capitalistic rightists, talk about this.
And classical marxists are the only ones who link this negative interest rate phenomenon to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
Capitalist rightist link this to banking sector incompetence. Which is untrue, because the banking sector would love to have higher interest rates. They have abyssal interest rates, for the very simple reason that if the interest rates were higher, loans would not be reimbursed fully, due to the fact that markets are saturated, Capitalism cannot make profit anymore.

>>20042664
Meant to answer to >>20042652

>>20039506
Lenin.

The succdem bootlickers have been a thing for over a century.

>>20039742
>There's no such thing and will never be a society of total equality, where there's no power structure or inequality.
No contradiction with Marx. Marx had no beef against inequality - he described how the inherent nature of developing mode of production is to eventually resolve it's own tie to specifically ECONOMIC inequality. Other sorts of inequality are not going away, at least not through this, but this didn't concern Marx.

>It's not in itself a desirable state or goal.
Em, duh. Did you actually read any Marx at all?

>>20042664
>Central banks interest rates were in the 2%-5% range during the 2000s
That is how they have been throughout most of history, at least nominally. You also need to compare nominal vs. real interest rates, see https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/other/mb200309_focus03.en.pdf for a historic European example. Rates are currently now at the same level they had normally been since before the 1970s-80s. During the 1970s-80s stagflation real interest rates dropped below -2%.
>But they are going even lower now.
No, they're not. Read some financial news. Like this, from a popular source: https://www.reuters.com/business/feds-policy-pivot-track-despite-uncertain-impact-ukraine-war-powell-says-2022-03-02/

They are increasing as we speak. Central bank committees are deciding exactly how high they should make them so as not to artificially hamper stability as the world leaves lockdown. Although the reasoning here is very similar to the one during the stagflation of the 1970s, there is increasing demand for goods (=inflation) and a relatively crippled supply chain.

>>20042731
Look even alt-right economists, at least those that i know off, say that the negative interest rate reality is catastrophic.

>>20039574
>>20039593
Have you ever considered that both marxism and capital are in this together and not opposing sides

>>20039506
>>20041066

Same, and the more I spend time in the job market, the more I radicalize.
Already at the level of "totalitarianism is needed to keep corporate filth in check", in a year Stalin will do nothing wrong. In three Stalin will be good BECAUSE of the purges, In five MAO will not seem that bad and by the time I get to retirement (if there will be any), I will be adamant that those faggots with glasses fucking deserved getting their skulls bashed in.

>>20039613
and you wonder why you can barely organise a single demonstration with 57 gazillion reddit followers while anti-mask trucker hicks can get together an anti-vaccine demonstration in a week kek

>>20039506
It's hilarious how woke """anarchists""" can't comprehend that the fact they're literally capitalist pawns.
they completely ignore class struggle to focus on lgbt bullshit, racism, sexism etc whatever
if they succeed in their goals all they'll be doing is reforming the capitalist system to be more affable to a larger number of people, making the the whole system even harder to overthrow
it truly is pathetic

>>20039613
Jealous tears

>>20039562
This is only possible because half of the working class was sent to china, and the workers movement are paralised in the world since then.
Once shit hit the fan this stupid academics ideas tend to dissapear see ww1 and the reformists

>>20039595
>Paul Gottfried
Based
I like his Podcasts with cotto

>>20040548
>nobody is a real leftist except me

>>20039506
I have exactly what you are looking for.

Check out this 4 part lecture. It’s starts with critical race theory but part 2 is where he really dives deep into the separation between neo-Marxism and Marxism.

It’s actually pretty scary stuff.

>>20039506
Idk about that meme, working for a company has made me left wing.

>>20039613
ywnbaw

>>20043663
It’s an obvious pasta breh. It’s been posted so many times now.

>>20043637
Please be ironic.

>>20039506
Really? The whole ideology is about being against everything western such as white entrepreneurs and the nuclear family. Marxism i inherently evil.

Blame both intersectionality and schizo rightoids with their non existant cultural marxism

>>20042822
The early Soviet Union was supported and built up by the US so yeah

>>20043937
"Cultural Marxism" is just a weird term for critical theory and the Frankfurt School, which did in fact exist and heavily influenced the modern left

>>20042516
>Occupy Wall Street
Was infiltrated by feds who immediately destabilized what little structure the movement had by encouraging identity-based in-fighting among the more effective members.
Occupy was literally defeated by government-sponsored "woke" identity politics.

>>20042680
>No contradiction with Marx. Marx had no beef against inequality - he described how the inherent nature of developing mode of production is to eventually resolve it's own tie to specifically ECONOMIC inequality. Other sorts of inequality are not going away, at least not through this, but this didn't concern Marx.
He absolutely had beef with inequality. Just because he described it as a necessary feature of all prior existing economic systems doesn't mean he liked it retard. His end desired economic system is a classes society created by a dictatorship of the proletariat where the economy is planned according to people's needs. I'm aware that his analysis suggests that inequality, class conflict has existed in all here too existing societies, but the central conceit of Marxism is that we can escape from that history and create a radically new utopian society. Marxists once again demonstrating they don't understand their own idealogy. Marx was a radical egalitarian like Rousseau. If you think inequality is inescapable and fine you are not a Marxist.

>>20042680
>Em, duh. Did you actually read any Marx at all?
Yeah I did both him and later Marxists fetishize revolution in pursuit of their insane utopian goals.

>>20044162
>He absolutely had beef with inequality. Just because he described it as a necessary feature of all prior existing economic systems doesn't mean he liked it retard.
Nah - he accepted the non-economic varieties of inequality. He opposed economic inequality because he believed that in became a pointless, useless system of dehumanization for the sake of upholding the status quo even long before his time. Point is - he did not saw inequality between two man as something inherently wrong.

>but the central conceit of Marxism is that we can escape from that history and create a radically new utopian society
Have you actually read any Marx?

>Marx was a radical egalitarian like Rousseau
Have you actually read any Marx?

>>20039506
Gramsci realized that workers actually have more to lose than their chains, and are thus unlikely to support a revolution.

He also thought that society, instead of being acted upon by the economic system (as in orthodox marxism), in term shapes it.

Combining these two insights lead him believe where marxist communism shall be achieved by ideological capture of the bourgeoisie which shall be the vanguard, and be emulated by the masses in their inborn tendency to emulate those with higher status.

>>20044196
Does he or does he not believe that history is inevitably leading to a classless society? At least in the economic sphere Marx was definitively a radical egalitarian. You have yet to show evidence to the contrary other than just bleating "read Marx", the typical response you get from Marxist cattle.

>>20039506
herbert marcuse. That's literally it. It's his fault. Also critical theory, which which the frankfurt school took from Gramsci, who took it from Gentile.

>>20045262
>Does he or does he not believe that history is inevitably leading to a classless society?
Not inevitably, but he theorized it will come eventually. Not because he wanted it, but because the advancements in production created the conditions which will allow it. Marx is imagining a future 1000 years from now, tbe higher stages of communism is not the main concern of Marx, but rather the liberation of the proletariat as a class. This has nothing to do with 'egalitarianism'.
Marx was not a radical egalitarian in the economic sphere. He did not believe in equal or 'fair' distribution. 'Read the Gotha critique. He specifically deals with this in Part 1

Of course Marxists are going to tell you to read Marx instead of engaging with you, because you are talming out of your ass. You think that Marx is some moralist who goes around making emotional arguments.

>>20039506
I think you have to go back all the way to Nietzsche to understand this problem. In Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche explains his theory of master and slave morality. Then, during the 20th century, the nazies sort of looked at this and thought "we don't want to be slaves, we want to be masters" so they all collectivly tried to adopt master morality. Marxism, on the other hand, didn't perceive it as a choice. Marxists self identify as the slaves and because of that they choose to revolt against the system. Of course, both ideologies completly missunderstood what Nietzsche was actually arguing but that is irrelevant.
The point is that marxism is the mascot of a much bigger framework which is slave morality, even if only at a subconscious level. Woke people, just like marxists, perceive themselves as inherently opressed victims. They identify as such unconditionally and they do not have a concept of self defense. They are not victims because of their weakness, but rather because their opressor merely exists. As such, they are never able to free themselves from their shackles regardless of how much power they have.
as to how this came all into being, it's pretty much what >>20039562 said.

>>20046362
>Not inevitably, but he theorized it will come eventually
So not inevitably but yes inevitably? Lmao, you're just restating what I said.
>but rather the liberation of the proletariat as a class. This has nothing to do with 'egalitarianism'.
Again just restating exactly what I said. The liberation of the proletariat is another way to say: a classless society free of exploitation.
>f course Marxists are going to tell you to read Marx instead of engaging with you, because you are talming out of your ass. You think that Marx is some moralist who goes around making emotional arguments.
No it's the usual refrain because Marxists can't imagine that someone could read him and still disagree. I have read him. Not extensively but I have read: The Communist Manifesto, Alienated Labour, sections on Commodity Fetishism, On The Jewish Question, the German Idealogy, and have watched plenty of vids by lecturers on Marxism.

>>20046409
are you 16yo or something? nobody is interested in your youtube-comment-section-tier analysis, retard.

>>20046519
>So not inevitably but yes inevitably?
Eventually is not inevitability. They are not the same words and they do not have the same meanings. Higher communism (no classes) is a theory of what might come after lower communism. Marx is not particularly concerned with communism, but capitalism.
>The liberation of the proletariat is another way to say: a classless society free of exploitation.
No, it isn't. Wages and bourgeoise would still exist in lower socialism and during the dictatorship of the proletariat. When Marx uses the word 'exploitation' he means the accumulation of the worker's surplus value.
>someone could read him and still disagree.
You disagree with your own reading comprehension. You already failed to read what I wrote, which was nice and simple. I doubt you would fare better with Marx.

>>20046635
>Eventually is not inevitability
They kind of are but it's clear you just want to quibble over word-choice cause you have nothing to say.
>Higher communism (no classes) is a theory of what might come after lower communism. Marx is not particularly concerned with communism, but capitalism
Don't care, none of this contradicts anything I said. Yes, I'm aware that Marx primarily writes about capitalism and the contradictions within it. Again no contradiction with anything I've said. I'm starting to think you just want to disagree for the sake of it.
>When Marx uses the word 'exploitation' he means the accumulation of the worker's surplus value.
Yes that is how he defines it.
>You disagree with your own reading comprehension. You already failed to read what I wrote, which was nice and simple. I doubt you would fare better with Marx.
Nope you're just being a massive faggot quibbling over minor semantic points like every Marxist.

>>20046846
>you're just being a massive faggot quibbling over minor semantic points
stay the fuck away from philosophy retard

>>20046851
Seethe enjoy your irrelevant cult while it lasts.

>>20039506
woke is trendy
marxism (or an image of it they have developed to leech) is trendy
these people just follow what's trendy and conveniently what allows them to be self-righteous
they are career activists so making sense doesn't matter

>>20041041
intersectionality is obvious. the hip word that doesn't need to exist and the deification of it is the problem.

>>20046627
a youtube-comment-section-tier analysis is more than enough to discredit marxism, retard

>>20042516
class consciousness was huge in the 1890s to 1970s. it will never return as the societies it existed in have been totally changed.

>>20043637
>Neo-Marxism
This is actually just by and large European nerds arguing over whether capitalism originated in the atlantic trade empires or the Italian city states and blasting Leninists for being libs.

>>20039684
Literally only vulgar Marxists believe socialism to be inevitable. The only thing that is permanent is flux. Capitalism will have to change forms, but not necessarily to socialism, unfortunately.

>>20047206
>Leninists for being libs.
explain

>>20046409
I am the poster you referenced at the end of your post and your entire analysis is garbage. Has nothing to with Marxists “identifying” with slave morality, consciously or unconsciously, since for Marx history is an autonomous process and it is entirely irrelevant to talk about individuals instead of societal forces/social relations. The master/slave dialectic is about history-in-action rather than agents larping as one side or the other.

Also, reminder that parroting Nietzsche is itself slave morality. Have your own thoughts for a change

>>20047223
Correct. Socialism is merely one of the more coherent models for society adapteding to the developing mode of production.

this entire thread is pure cope by rightoids and rightoids who larp as leftoids trying to convert rightoids

>>20039562
>>20039574
>>20039593
uh oh facts and logic checking in CHOO CHOO

>>20046627
Then why did you read it?

>>20039562
This, but also there literally isn't a left wing in the USA. Biden would be hard right in literally any other developed nation on earth. In EVERY other developed country, universal healthcare is a given, it's not even considered left wing, it's just considered central or universal to all interests. This means every single thing in the USA gets filtered through a lens of corporate/manager interests while labor gets shafted time and time again. This is why "Marxism" in the USA is associated with "wokeism", because it has been co-opted to serve the very interests Marx spent his whole career warning against. As soon as anyone mentions "Marxism" you must instantly stop them and ask how the subject in question helps workers to take possession of their own labor rather than be alienated from it. You must ask how it actually, materially, advances the interests of the class of workers. If it doesn't, then quite simply, it isn't Marxism. Paying worthless lip-service to the minority flavor of the month while orchestrating the economy to crush the average person into wage slavery is quite literally the opposite of Marxism.

>>20047488
Why do you hate Jews so much if you let them live in your head rent-free?

>>20039675
>All memes aside such a narrow ideology fails because it is ignorant of children

Why do you think they are quietly pushing for pedophilia

>>20039562
Its kinda ironic though isn't it? Since colleges/universities are likely full of extremely privileged rich wypo

>>20039613
I know this bait and all, but Im shocked at how many people actually think like this. People fail to recognize that all this decadence can only exist so long as there is peace and abundance. Peace and abundance can exist only through hard work and discipline, the very values the decadent despise. It's like we've hit a self destruct sequence

>>20039562
>>20039593
>>20039613
>>20039699
You will never own the means of production.

>>20039562
Wasnt Marxism envisioned in early Industrial England? How can a concept of the proletariat even exist if America and the West are post industrial?

>>20042516
Man the New Left killed class consciousness for good. Ironically, only reactionaries and nationalists ever reach a clear understanding of class in politics. Class conflict is now tied to Nationalism and won't be separated

>>20039506
Maybe you should actually read the materials for your political philosophy 101 class, instead of speedreading wiki articles, retard. Cos' not seeing what a theory about class struggle, redistribution of wealth and false consciousness has to do with a "theory" of identity politics, decolonization, reparation, and "internalized racism"... is really embarrassing.

>>20048534
>condescending
>smug
>devoid of any meaningful statement or information
Yeah, it's a twitter poster

>It's just a coincidence 99% of "Marxists" are pro trans, anti-racist and pro feminism.

The real world praxis of your ideology trumps your autistic theorycel declarations of what it should be.

>>20039562
What do you know? Butterfly is back

>>20049503
But those things only happen in capitalist countries. The praxis of mentally ill americans proves nothing, just as the praxis of neonazism in america is mutts in mobility scooters larping as le masterrace. Capitalism loves those things, and I love to see conservatives sit by idly as the things they pretend to care about get eroded by a system they wholly support.
Your traditions have become varying supermarket sales
Your women aren't having kids because they're working on their careers
Your country is being torn asunder by waves of cheap labor
Your propaganda machines are being sold off to an enemy state willingly
Your countrymen are dying for Israeli interests
Both the lefitsts and the "rightists" praxis in your country are okay with all of those.
>inb4 paragraph of you running off with the idea that I'm a marxist for pointing that out

>>20040117

Source on this quote? I think you just made it up

>>20050299
>But those things only happen in capitalist countries.
So that means Marxism is an ineffective motor for social change then because it literally can challenge capital. You're just proving our point Marxism is a waste of time. Honestly, your entire post just reads as a cope for not wanting to fill out a job application. Its really sad.

>>20050299
Retard. No one's forcing marxoids/commies to become trannies, junkies, feminists or some other types of freaks. They become one with their own volition. America is too free for its own good.

>>20042671
>accusing succdems of being bootlickers when you defend a tyrant who outright banned free elections and murdered striking workers and starving sailors.
While Lenin was chilling in a Mansion with 9 rolls royces, his policies murdered millions. You commies are the biggest Jewish boot lickers of them all.

>>20050352
Who are you talking to? What job application? I'm not a Marxist and I have a job. I never said anything about the viability of Marxism. Why are tourists incapable of seeing past the dichotomy? Is this like the 30th argument on this topic you've had today and you're getting confused?
>>20050358
They are raised in a Capitalist secular country with capitalist secular values, develop a mental illness and rebel. It's pretty simple. And the fact that it's happening more and more, strictly in countries that did capitalism properly tells you all you need to know.

>>20050382
>What job application
Lmao, case in point
>I have a job.
being a professional student isn't a job.
>Tourist
You're a tranny from leftypol. You need to go back.

>>20050382
>They are raised in a Capitalist secular country with capitalist secular values, develop a mental illness and rebel.
They get brainwashed by Marxist college professors, and are indoctrinated with atheism. Has nothing do with capitalism. Capitalism doesn't make value judgement. Its just a mode of exchange. There's nothing stopping a conservative from being a capitalist but their own agency.

>>20050382
Yes, anon, capitalist countries gave them the comfort, the freedom of expression and the freedom of choice. They choose to be trannies, homos, junkies etc. It's their own fault. Capitalism gave those subhumans a thing that countries like Cuba, China or Korea wouldn't: Freedom.

>>20050382
When Eastern Europe became capitalist again they stayed socially conservative so this argument doesn't make any sense. You're just retarded. Politics is largely genetic. So are values.

>>20050397
>Has nothing do with capitalism. Capitalism doesn't make value judgement. Its just a mode of exchange.
It's not an isolated system. The mode of exchange does interact with other parts of daily life. The propaganda is privatized. In contrast, Marxist states try to tear out the country's religion because they want allegiance to the all-powerful state. A much more obvious strategy.
>There's nothing stopping a conservative from being a capitalist but their own agency.
Not sure what you're trying to say here though. Yeah, these people "choose" to be degenerates as much as you let them. But capitalism profits off of them and propagates their acceptance because it's beneficial to itself. You either ride the snowball or you get crushed standing in its way, making the moral stance. You're encouraged by all material means to act a certain way.
>>20050405
Well yeah, that's my point. Trannies and feminism is good for business, sounds very based to make money off of those things if you're a capitalist.
>>20050413
Those countries have been doing capitalism for a few decades, with many old-school institutions, politicians, and people from those times alive and voting. It's not a switch you instantly turn to. And yes, they're also, like clockwork becoming less and less conservative. They're just behind....because they started late.

>>20050517
You're still blaming everything on le ebil capitalism. Those freaks chose to be like that, because they had the freedom of choice. Capitalism gave them freedom. Do you want the daddy government to ban people's freedom? Then how are you any different from the right wingers you despise so much about?

>>20050546
IDGI. You're admitting capitalism gave way for those freaks (and is propagating them every day through capitalist owned media), and somehow it's not to blame? How can you reconcile that? Why do YOU want them to stop existing if freedom is hecking based? Why do YOU get to decide
>ayo hold up we gotz all them freedoms, but now we gotz to stop its going too far
at a random point?
>Do you want the daddy government to ban people's freedom?
No. I want a loosely governed ethnostate with a strong religious/metaphysical value system, as far away from materialism as possible. But that's a pipe dream. Strong centralized governments cannot be trusted either and I never implied otherwise. But what I want is not likely to happen since people would need to be fundamentally different from how they are right now. So I'm just chilling, saving money to expand my farm, become self reliant and just laugh at the collectivists desperately trying to make compromises with people with different belief systems.
>Then how are you any different from the right wingers you despise so much about?
Don't hate rightwingers, no idea where you got that from. I made fun of the American-style conservatism where nothing is being conserved.

>>20040909
>Chinese
>promote traditional Chinese
No they don't. They killed them

>>20042529
Liberals believe real change happens through elections and by voting in the good guys and peaceful protests and by taxing things. A leftist believes real change happens through revolutions. I don't know how you can't see the difference.

>>20050881
Liberals just supported rioting and burning down cities for multiple months

>>20039613
this pasta should be used for a hoax submission to some journal. anglobrain academics would absolutely love this shit

Communist niggas be like we aren't woke we read theory but also be like everything that isn't woke is a nebulous buttress of Capitalism so it's all gonna go away so Communist society can be woke while it isn't woke

I am set to make $90,000 this year, voted for trump twice and have been and still consider myself a hardcore Marxist. I did not abandon Marx upon maturation into the workforce, on the contrary, it was irrefutable proof that he was correct. There is no contradiction. The meme in OP makes no sense to an actual Marxist. The college students who 'feel' this way are those who had rich parents to begin with and any money past that point is mere play money. Although, that is a given, given that most college students are petite bourgeoisie, and any ideologies they pick up and blather about is just an extension of their social capital, a tool to moralize and blather on about in such a way that makes them look and sound good. Now, back to the proletarian. To someone of no standing, most "first salaries" are shit. Average starting salary is $55,000 in the US, which is heavily penalized as a single filer to the extent that after all taxes, pseudotaxes and taxes by proxy, and their spillovers, it is effectively halved and of that amount, if one lives on their own, the majority of what is left will go to expenses, the largest of which in rent. In this long chain of events, you will see that it is you who gets the worst deal, meanwhile everyone else along the way benefits. If you have no preexisting wealth, you can't do much with the limited windfall a larger salary happens to afford, aside from invest for such a period that hopefully you can escape the need to work but that is increasingly impossible with the exorbitant costs of real estate, and investments are subject to market change and can go south in the course of a few days and some cannot undergo corrections. It doesn't even matter if you "win". It's like winning the lottery and having terminal cancer, too little, too late.

Marxism has always been inherently “woke”, pro LGBT, and most importantly pro violence, intimidation and doxxing.

>>20051068

>>20051068
Violence intimidation and doxxing aren't exclusive to wokefaggots that's just what happens when a faction that believes losing power equates to their genocide gains power. At this point they're probably actually right about that though jej

>>20051068
Marx was a Darwinist, which is inherently anti-woke, and he hated fags. Lenin did too. The penultimate 'most importantlies', also lend themselves to extermination of undesirables, including homosexuals, as if you truly view life as purely material, then there is no such things as God, rights, person, autonomy and all that jazz. In point of fact, all those notions and the secular humanism that would follow are remnants from Christianity that viewed each person, even disgusting sodomites, as a "soul" and capable of repentance and worthy of salvation.

>>20051110
that humanist morality is paradoxically adjoined with Marxist historical materialism. Uses historical materialism to relativize and attack power structures viewed as reactionary by the post-Christians

>>20051129
Using historical materialism means nothing really. It's a framework, an ambiguous one at that that as you've demonstrated can be selective. That's like saying transgender surgery uses "science" to dedick.

>>20051110
Lenin was not anti homosexual. It was decriminalized by law in the 20s. So was abortion

>>20047546
who said anything about jews?

>>20046202
There's no particular person, movement or staring point to point to and blame for Marxism being "woke". Orthodox turgid texts outlining the ideology never meant much to those practicing it. It has always been something that attracted mentally unstable, status obsessed dilettantes. Orwell talks about this long before the Frankfurt School came to America.

>The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-
collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with
a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting. This last type is surprisingly common in Socialist parties of every shade; it has perhaps been taken over en bloc from. the old Liberal Party. In addition to this there is the horrible--the really disquieting--prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and 'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.
One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured 'Socialists', as who should say,
'Red Indians'. He was probably right--the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have something eccentric about him.

>>20052430
Here's a famous19th century socialist. Sounds like a typical modern shitlib from your college.

> Edward Carpenter (29 August 1844 – 28 June 1929) was an English utopian socialist, poet, philosopher, anthologist, an early activist for gay rights[1] and prison reform whilst advocating vegetarianism and taking a stance against vivisection.[2][3] As a philosopher he was particularly known for his publication of Civilisation: Its Cause and Cure. Here he described civilisation as a form of disease through which human societies pass.[4]

An early advocate of sexual liberation, he had an influence on both D. H. Lawrence[5] and Sri Aurobindo, and inspired E. M. Forster's novel Maurice.[6][7]

>>20039627
Oh look, an another American conservaturd writing another "Adolf Hitler was actually a left wing evolutionist sorry for dropping all these truthbombs from my truth plane you can't cancel the troof and you can't critical race theory away american jaysus also please don't look into the militairy industrial complex the financial system lobbyists or the relationship between the usa and saudi arabia" book

>>20040548
>some fat calls you far right/alt right and bashes the whole right wing for not being mentally ill
>call them leftists
>some fat dweeb comes out of nowhere insisting that they're not on the left and just libs

Nietzsche and even Ted K got it right. Leftism as a political spectrum is entirely centered around ressentiment and the worship of inferiority. Marx claimed that his analysis had no moral component but everyone knows this was utter nonsense, all revolutionaries are motivated by moral reasonings. Once the economic basis for this revolutionary fervor started to wane, they simply based their paradigm of oppression on other things. It’s not so much that progressive ideology and things like race, gender and sexuality are subordinate to Marxism. Marxism itself is a manifestation of ressentiment

>>20051180
This is argument is sometimed raised but it's false. The USSR did away with the entire penal code, legal system, courts, officials that proceeded it, ergo de jure legalizing almost everything for a perioid not captured in its very limited penal code that followed. This did not mean freedom, rights, etc, to do it. In absence of laws, VChK rounded up every one considered enemies of the revolution and executed them. Since homosexuality is almost pathologically a consequence of being a city slicker with too much time and money, most of their fates were firing squads regardless of the reddit tier 'technically legal' excuse. By the 1930s when the USSR has a proper state homoxuality was de jure penalized.

>>20052534
>resentment bad
Moralfaggotry.

>>20039506
Is he right?

>>20053421
Marxism falls outside of left vs right. There is no reason say poor trump voters getting screwed by gas prices wouldn't he resentful at rich city slickers and boil to the fever pitch of revolution one day. They, by Marxist analysis, would install a socialist regime whether it is there intention or not. The development of socialism is nothing other than the antagonism of haves and have nots. It's actually more fruitful to just reject left vs right nonsense and just spend most of your time making resentful people more resentful if you're a bonified Marxist.

>>20039506
Marcuse, just Marcuse

>>20053966
Was around long before him. See>>20052437

>>20039562
But the rejection of identitarianism can only be achieved by the re-assertion of class. A left that does not have class at its core can only be a liberal pressure group. Class consciousness is always double: it involves a simultaneous knowledge of the way in which class frames and shapes all experience, and a knowledge of the particular position that we occupy in the class structure. It must be remembered that the aim of our struggle is not recognition by the bourgeoisie, nor even the destruction of the bourgeoisie itself. It is the class structure – a structure that wounds everyone, even those who materially profit from it – that must be destroyed. The interests of the working class are the interests of all; the interests of the bourgeoisie are the interests of capital, which are the interests of no-one. Our struggle must be towards the construction of a new and surprising world, not the preservation of identities shaped and distorted by capital.

>>20039613
>women and queer people taking the means of production into their own hands by refusing to perform unpaid sexual and emotional labor for white men.
should people have to work for someone else to live? if no, how does your movement intend to overturn this?

>The real class struggle is not in factories but in womens bodies
when you turn a discussion about social organisation into a discussion about bodily autonomy you are just rearticulating the liberal position

>To break down the walls of lily white christian suburbia into a brave new world of pleasure rebellion and freedom.
freedom to do what exactly? work as a prostitute while the planet continues to die?

>>20050517
>It's not an isolated system. The mode of exchange does interact with other parts of daily life.
This has nothing do with it because politics is genetic. Marxism is just wrong and so are you. Capitalism isn't at fault here - its just your genes.

You've heard of the comparison with Kikes and Leeches? They Leech, Copycat/Dopplegang, and compete with the grassroots. Pic is Bakunin Statism and Anarchy.

>>20054880
Your genes are to blame for your severe retardation, ironically.

>>20054896
Retardation does push people towards leftism, communism, anarchism and Marxism in general. And it is largely genetic - your biological limitations don't allow you to be anything but a follower instead of a leader in life.

>>20054912
Your genes don't allow you to read large amounts of text in your life. If you did that you'd see what my personal politics are, and how far from leftism of any sorts it is. Given how you operate on a black and white level, I'll estimate 25% white genes in you.

>>20054820
By ignoring forms of structural oppression lile ableism whorephobia transphobia and white supremacy you are rearticulating the kiriarchic position. The working class you speak of is implicitly white male and straight. Patriarchy and white supremacy and heteronormativity and monogamy and fat shaming and whorephobia are ontologically prior to capitalism which will only be dismantled when these ideas are wiped out

>>20053421
Irrefutably correct, and it’s sad that such an obvious truth about our Enlightenment paradigm is misunderstood by 90% of people

>>20054924
No claims by Marxists can be rigorously tested or even confirmed by evidence. Genetics, however, can be. Study, after study have shown genetics determine political outlooks and show its correlation to wealth and intelligence. Marxists are solipsists peddling an outdated theory from the 18th century in lieu of the findings of modern behavioral genetics. Charles Murray and twin studies have completely demolished your bullshit for decades.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038932/
https://sites.ucmerced.edu/files/mhibbing/files/smith_et_al._2011.pdf
https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/twins-study-confirms-genetic-role-of-politics/
Your entire ideology is just a psy op to launder money to leftist politicians and (((Soros)))

>>20054947
>still calling me a Marxist after I said I want an anti-materialist ethnostate
Jesus fucking Christ go back to fighting your culture war you genetic dead end. You yourself are proof of the horrors of miscegenation.

>>20054820
Its white civilization with its emphasis on reason and universality that is killimg the planet. Sex work is deleuzian accelerationist praxis because we are taking the premises of capitalism and patriarchy and the therapeutic managerial to its logical conclusion of self abolition. As progressives we believe that inside every man woman and child there is a fierce fetanyl affirming sex worker crying out to break free.it is our job as white allies to combat the spread of white ideas within the PoC commubnity., As fannon tells us the process of decolonization is by neccesity a violent one for the colonized as well as for the colonizer. patriarchal cultures of fat shaming queer shaming crack and heroin shaming, a white supremacist eurocentric culture based on the tyranny of the written word must be fought and taken out at their root, only thene can total liberation take place.

>>20054961
(((Ethno-nationalist))), national Bolshevism and Strasserism is a kike psyop. Go back leftypol

>>20040548

Debates about property and economics are cringe and not fundamental to left / right. Neoliberalism IS the contemporary left wing movement. Leftism is defined by technocracy, materialism, utilitarianism, rationalism, universalism and atheism. Neoliberal SJWs believe all this and alt or new right is the opposite.

Doing the "real leftism is muh retro Marxism from 200 years ago" is a tired cope for white people who don't want to bend the knee to identity politics. America isn't an industrial economy anymore, why would we have working class Marxism like 100 years ago? Aside from that, bringing back movements from centuries ago is the definition of reactionary.

Leftists never actually push back against liberal social ideology and they're constantly respecting their taboos. You're a bunch of defanged whiners that refuse to engage on the plane in realpolitic and think endlessly writing about the single pet issue of anti-capitalism (even then, still never providing any actual solutions, any attempts just get coopted by liberals) give you a monopoly on anticapitalist discourse. It doesn't. There's almost no reason for a normal thinking man to pass up on the anti-capitalist right unless he's carrying a bunch of globohomo liberal priors.
You won't criticize LGBTQIA+ public deviancy, no matter how disgusting it is.
You're silenced on anti-zionism and too afraid of being called anti-semites.
You won't come to terms with any of the racial problems or realities, just resting on liberal assumptions of universal equality.
You're not anywhere close to serious. You're not engaging in real life. All that """actual""" leftists do nowadays is complain about capitalism as an abstraction since that offends nobody. Completely toothless.
>muh scapegoats!!! chud!!!!
lol

>>20040548
Bringing class to a racewar is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

>>20040548
Leftists are just the people who stan journalists the sex industry NGO industrial complex the managerial class and psychiatrists like right wingers stan sillicon valley homos the police and military and fossil fuel extraction.

>>20050382
>develop a mental illness and rebel.
Lmao

>>20054925
the working class i refer to is the global totality of humans who do not own the means of their own production. the majority of those people are not white. the most obvious way to dismantle "Patriarchy and white supremacy and heteronormativity and monogamy and fat shaming and whorephobia" between members of the working class is to work on identifying ourselves as part of a global class of person by uniting on the basis of our obvious mutual interests. throughout history when people have recognised themselves as being one "side" of a struggle then they grant greater equity to the most disadvantaged members of said group. you can effectively overcome anxiety by socializing more (though the anxiety might be 'ontologically prior'), you can also end a christian monarchy by beheading the king (without becoming muslims, despite the religious understandings being 'ontologically prior' to the monarchy)

>>20054964
>Sex work is deleuzian accelerationist praxis because we are taking the premises of capitalism and patriarchy and the therapeutic managerial to its logical conclusion of self abolition
in what sense does selling a body as a commodity conclude in the end of capitalism?

>>20050397
>Capitalism doesn't make value judgement.
are you retarded?

>>20055072
Sex work is not commodity production but a taking of the means of production and a radical assertion of bodily autonomy it is at once no different from other kinds of work and better. To deny there will be sex work under communism is whorephobic. To refuse to accomodate the anxiety of neurodivergent people or to deny mental illness by insisting it is a product of capitalism is science denial and ableism.

>>20055079
How many layers of Judaism are you on? Capitalism is just exchange for profit. It makes no value judgement; it has nothing do with morals. Its a machine, a tool for exchange. Only woke retards like make capitalism seem to be a bigger leviathan than it really is. You need to work on those job application filling out skills and stop crying on the internet. You're a faggot, a nigger and a social reject. And crying for Judeo-Bolshevism on the internet isn't going to bring you closer to.

>>20055106
(((Communism))) is just one big Jewish psyop to put the Talmud and Rabbis in control of the banks and the state. Jews love, and push communism, because can only exist through parasitism. You're Talmudic goon and a Jewish pawn.

>>20055112
Capitalism sets a framework whereby certain set of morals succeed over others. These tend to be a-morals, as in, individuals who prioritize making profit no matter what accumulate more capital (and thus more power) than those who hold morals regarding their fellow human beings. This is irrefutably built into the structure of the capitalistic model and has to be constantly held in check by a separate power structure (government) which (theoretically) exists to enforce a basic set of morals regarding fairness (although it tends to get corrupted by those who accumulated capital and, as we already observed, are the a-moral types).

>>20055106
sex workers rarely own the means of production, since they are generally employed by someone else. the concept of "whore" is irrelevant from the perspective of the general end goal of communism, there is no "whore" to be phobic to because it's not possible to make money in a moneyless society. society would instead be structured around a direct exchange of needs and abilities, which of course would include sex.

we are not able to perform scientific studies on "which forms of social organisation produce the most people with anxiety" because we don't have access to enough different forms of society to study this with controls. if there are no scientific studies on this, then how is asserting it possibly science denial? there is no science which i am denying.

what i said was that, even though a lack of socialising comes from an "ontologically prior" anxiety, it is possible to treat that anxiety through socialising. if you look at the research on anxiety, or at any of the widely available secondary sources, you will see that this is not a contested point. equally capitalism can be materially resisted without first dismantling every system of thought that contributed to its development. because a massive section of the global population have a mutual interest in overthrowing private ownership.

>>20055160
Capitalism doesn't set framework. Morals, politics are all genetic. Your entire post is just kike kvecting over biological limits.

>>20055112
capitalism is a system of exchange for profit. the concept of "profit" requires a concept of "value" inherently, since it literally refers to the idea of the goods having a certain "value" that is then added to slightly more "value" to generate a profit. how can you sell an item without making a judgement about its value, you fucking retard?

>>20055209
We're not talking about market value, retard. We're talking about moral values. Your argument was that capitalism sets moral values. That's just wrong because there are plenty of conservative countries that are highly capitalistic such as Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Hungry et cetera, and plenty of countries that are liberal that are capitalist like the rest. You're being a sophist right now. Again, morals are purely determined one's genes. The mode of economic production has nothing to do with it. Tools don't have morals, you absolutely Jewish retard.

It's this simple: Marx is Jewish and Rothschild is Jewish. Marx was seen as a phony because he was pro-Rothschild.

>>20055227
if i keep half of the money you produced, there is an inherent moral value in that action. if we pull fish out of the sea, kill them, and then sell them for 36p because nobody wants to buy them, there are also many inherent moral values at play in that system of exchanges.

>>20055280
Your genetics created you with biological limitations that disallowed you from having skills that could gain you more money. That doesn't have anything do with morals. Its really just a fact of life. Your genes determine what role you can play in life, and that effects your ability to gain and have wealth.

>>20055299
if you get taught maths properly as a child you have more opportunities to make money than someone else who wasn't, even if you are both very similar genetically.

>>20055312
Actually, no, even teaching doesn't help blacks gain higher math scores. They still lag behind their non-black counterparts. Teaching has little to no effect because your genetics determine how much you can be taught. That's why Crows can't build satellites and why only certain humans can.

>>20055319
>Teaching has little to no effect because your genetics determine how much you can be taught.
why can't all white people build satellites?

>>20055330
Because whites are not a homogeneous group. Although, generally speaking, there are more white astronauts than black ones.

>>20055342
why can't the siblings of people who build satellites also build satellites?

>>20055347
The genetic variation between the siblings is apparent - what's the issue here? Its not even relevant considering white siblings will typically live longer, have more wealth than black ones. A white sibling will probably a lawyer instead of an Astronaut whereas the black one will become a Mac Donalds worker or a gangbanger.

>>20055373
why dont identical twins always have the same job then

>>20055379
Identical twins don't have the same DNA. You probably didn't know that because you don't know much about genetics. Although, typically speaking it has been demonstrated for the most part identical twins share the same politics.
https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/twins-study-confirms-genetic-role-of-politics/

>>20055391
study is flawed in presuming that genetics determine politics rather than genetics determine treatment within an environment which then determines politics

>>20055404
Marxism is flawed because it presume genetics are irrelevant to political choices that are largely determined psychological traits encoded into a person's DNA. Marxism in itself isn't even scientific because its just apriori reasoning without evidence.

>>20039506
Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals
Pic related if you can read Portuguese or even Spanish

>>20055426
Actually, its your genetics that make you susceptible to your environment. That's it more likely for poor whites to excel more in life than poor blacks.

>>20055426
>Marxism is flawed because it presume genetics are irrelevant to political choices
it does not assume that
>Marxism in itself isn't even scientific because its just apriori reasoning without evidence.
there are plenty of people doing empirical marxist inquiry

>>20055426
they are obviously not irrelevant but they are less relevant than socialisation and history. it should be pretty obvious that your country is not full of monarchists who genetically inherited monarchism as a political view. but if they descended from people who were monarchists, how is this the case? social surroundings and history determine the range of political options available to a given person, which is much more significant than what genetics have been shown to do (they just correlate with certain choices made within that range).

>>20052452
Evola argued that Hitler and the nazi's embraced to many modern nontraditional ideas.

>>20039593
cope harder commie

>>20039593
so if this was a chess game, marxism gets btfo'd every single time because it's too good at chess? Holy mental gymnastics batman

>>20055472
>they are obviously not irrelevant but they are less relevant than socialisation and history.
Actually, no, genetics largely determine what social formations are possible. That's why you don't see crows form governments. Genetics will always determine what government is possible - that's why Africa is largely ran by Warlords and the west is more pluralistic.

>>20055472
The most consequential political theories came from European halo groups. Its genetics that allow humans to have the potential to even dream of, contemplate or even put in practice ideas of political arrangement. That's why you see Europeans and Asians develop some of the most advanced societies in world history where as places like Africa and North America struggled to even leave pre-historic times until settlers arrived. Even the failures of the USSR can be traced back to that genetic limitation considering Russia and EuroAsians have struggled create societies more advanced than their Western counterparts.

>>20055472
Monarchies were, at the time, some of the most advanced political arrangements of their era compared to the tribal conditions African, Arab and Asian counterparts who were backwards until Europeans showed up.

>>20044074
Occupy wall street was born from class struggle. Whether it was infiltrated or not, is irrelevant to the fact that it was born from class struggle.
>>20048477
Class consciousness didn't die. It's still here.
>Class conflict is now tied to Nationalism and won't be separated
What is the project, is it white Capitalists, exploiting white wage-workers?

>>20056080
Occupy wall street was a Jew psyop much like /r/anti-work. Communism is just the Elders of Zion in practice. You want Jewish exploitation of the worker.

>>20055426
>Marxism is flawed because it presume genetics
So, white capitalist only, exploiting white wage workers only?

>>20056099
You don't face exploitation. You are just have Jewish slave morality; which is a product of your biological limitations allowing Jewish propaganda, like Marxism, to make you more impressionable to rabbinic schemes.

>>20056093
Was the spanish movment los indignados a jewish psy-op as well? Were the yellow vests a jewish psyop as well?
>Communism is just the Elders of Zion in practice.
I thought Elders of zion is basically the manual of the perfect Capitalist.
Chinese are applying the elders of zion, without even knowing about it.
Elders of zion, is basically how the Capitalist class should act, in order to dominate the proletariat.
Listen to this. It's not the elders of zion. It's the Capitalistic elders of zion. Or, said differently, the elders of zion, of the Capital.
>You want Jewish exploitation of the worker.
And what do you want, do you want goyim exploitation of the workers?
To be perfectly clear, (because i'm obliged to be perfectly clear, as you are
an idiot), we aim to get rid of all the exploiters. Whether goyim or jewish. Whether jewish or goyim.

>>20056104
>You don't face exploitation.
Idiot, i'm for abolition of wage labor, commodity, money. How's that for facing exploitation?
I'm not facing exploitation, i'm literally abolishing it, pure and simple.
You, stupid idiot, on the other hand, want a goyim exploitation, with a goyim Capitalistic class, exploiting a white goyim only proletariat.
Do you think i don't know what's in your head retard? I was national (socialist) for 15 years. I do know exactly the kind of shit that's in your head.

>>20056119
You just want to make sex reassignment surgery legal for minors. Marxism is nothing more than post ad hoc rationalization homosexuality, pedophilia and transgenderism. The Yellow Vests, funny enough, were not even Marxists - they were like the Canadian Truckers. Anti-communist. In fact, both of the movements you listed retard, were just spontaneous populist uprisings. These types of isolated incidents, basically over glorified riots, happen all the time due to historical conditions. You commies did the same with the Paris commune, which was largely just anti-Catholic riot gone bad. Ideology has nothing do with it, Jew.

>>20056131
> i'm for abolition of wage labor, commodity, money.
You're for something so insanely stupid it has to be Jewish by default because of how assured you are in having an incredibly retarded belief.
>Yes, lets just do Pol Pot did! Life surely would get better if we lived as pre-historic humans
Jews really have fucked up an entire generation of people who so willingly will sell themselves into slavery.

>>20056142
You really are an idiot. You are a piece of shit. Okay, i'll use a couple of minutes to answer you.
>You just want to make sex reassignment surgery legal for minors.
That has absolutely nothing to do with classical marxism. Read Marx you unread idiot. How do you have the balls to post on /lit? Everbody is seeing that you are an unread idiot.
>The Yellow Vests, funny enough, were not even Marxists - they were like the Canadian Truckers. Anti-communist.
The yellow vest were critique of Capitalism. I've seen it with my own eyes, as i meet them.
>You commies did the same with the Paris commune, which was largely just anti-Catholic riot gone bad.
That's only a part of what the Paris commune was. "The Commune governed Paris for two months, establishing policies that tended toward a progressive, anti-religious system of social democracy, including the separation of church and state, self-policing, the remission of rent during the siege, the abolition of child labor, and the right of employees to take over an enterprise deserted by its owner. "
> In fact, both of the movements you listed retard, were just spontaneous populist uprisings.
Yes, that is class struggle inbred Capitalistic rightist. Class struggle can take many forms, even the nationalistic form. But it's essence is class struggle. Not exploitation of the proletariat by an elite owning the means of production.

>>20056131
>Idiot, i'm for abolition of wage labor, commodity, money.
Basically the Great Reset.
>You will own nothing and you will be happy
No wonder Jewish elites push this communist non-sense

>>20056201
>You're for something so insanely stupid it has to be Jewish
Jewish be contradicted: "you are a fascist".
Inbread internet nazi be contradicted, like you: "you are a jew".
>Jews really have fucked up an entire generation of people who so willingly will sell themselves into slavery.
THE MULTIMILLENRIAN SANHEDRIN IS STRONG IN RACE. EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING AS PLANNED. SOLOMON GOD KING, OR SHOULD I SAID GOD KING SOLOMON, WILL COME, SITTING IN HIS GOLD THRONE COVERED IN IVORY. THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WILL TURN TOWARD JERUSALEM, ACCEPTING THE JEWISH MESSIAH, AS THEIR TRUE AND ONLY KING. ETC... ETC.. ETC...

>>20056215
>>Idiot, i'm for abolition of wage labor, commodity, money.
>Basically the Great Reset.
Idiot, the great reset is not abolition of wage labor, it's a super wage labor. Great reset is about Klaus schwab, bill gates, and the people behind them, owning EVERYTHING. Great reset is socialism for the masses, but hyper ownership for a few Capitalistic exploiters.
Great reset is not about abolition of money, nor commodity, nor wage labor. On the contrary, it's about a rent-based economy. Nothing to do with lower stage of communism, as envisionned by marx.
But how can you know this, your read is messed up. You have read nothing, especially not marx, and you know nothing. How could you say something that make real sense?

>>20056202
>You really are an idiot. You are a piece of shit. Okay, i'll use a couple of minutes to answer you.
Kvetch more.
>That has absolutely nothing to do with classical marxism.
Yes, yes, not real communism. Heard it a million times, kike. Got anymore bullshit stories to tell?
>The yellow vest were critique of Capitalism.
Nah, they were just a spontaneous riot. They happen all the time in France, especially a country culturally enriched by Muslims and third world immigrants these days.
>That's only a part of what the Paris commune was.
They were just rioters like modern day anti-fa's CHAD. Leftists burn shit down, destroy society, and then blame the well adjusted for their woes. Its the same Marxist, Jewish script every time.
>Yes, that is class struggle
This is Jewish, Talmudic struggle. This is kikery on steroids. You Jewish degenerates pull the curtains over peoples' ideas long enough to get away with bringing down society with them. You serve Jewish interests, and fight for the creation of a world owned by central banks and Israeli interests. You want a Jewish elite to own everything. You are a pawn for Jewish interests and Jewish schemes.

>>20056239
The great reset is the abolition of wage labor, commodity production and money. You want to eliminate any means for individuals to acquire property for themselves and their family. You just want the state to be a big poor house, make everyone a pauper, besides the Jews, and let the Rabbis rule us like cattle. Socialism is stealing, Communism is confiscation. Jews do (((socialism))) because they only have the power to finesse to get their way, they do Communism when they have the power to confiscate - like they did in every country they gained power.

>>20056246
>Yes, yes, not real communism. Heard it a million times, kike. Got anymore bullshit stories to tell?
It's certalinly not a little piece of shit like you, who haven't read marx, who decide what is, and what is not, communism.
>Nah, (yellow vests) they were just a spontaneous riot.
Little piece of shit, i was there, as i said. Talking to them. It definitely was class struggle. Stop thinking proletarian uprinsing are nazis. Because clearly, they aren't. They do not want you, and your white exploit white ideology.
>They were just rioters like modern day anti-fa's CHAD.
Workers of Paris rebel, WORKERS, you: muh, they are like anti-fa. You really are a retard.
>Paris commune
>Jewish script every time.
Workers uprise, class struggle, is jewish script for you. You really high level induced paranoia. You brain is burned.
>class struggle
>This is Jewish, Talmudic struggle.
Holy shit. Now it's getting surrealistic. Factory worker, mines workers, field workers, rail workers, fed up by their harsh working condition, uprising, is a jewish, talmudic struggle. You truly live in an alternative reality. Now i'm not even mad at you anymore, as it is surrealistic.
>You serve Jewish interests, and fight for the creation of a world owned by central banks and Israeli interests.
Okay lol. Now comic effect intensifies. Thanks for the laugh.
>You want a Jewish elite to own everything.
I want no elite, at all. But you are so obsessed with the jews, that you cannot even conceive this.

>>20056261
>The great reset is the abolition of wage labor,
Anyone reading about the great reset, know you miss the point completely. Great reset is also not about the abolition of money, as the great reset is about a private blockchain money, which is linked to the identity of it's owner, and can be forced to be used to buy something in particular, have a validity limited in time, or be destroyed after a defined amount of time. Great reset is not about abolishing money, it's about having a worse money that we have. Great reset is about a rent based economy. Nothing to do with lower phase of communism, as envionned by marx. You know nothing.

>>20052452

Kerry Bolton is a National Socialist (or whatever the Nu-Right sanitised equivalent is these days) from New Zealand. The world doesn't revolve around Muttmerica.

>>20056305
I'm just immune to your Judeo-Bolshevik propaganda. Your bio-Leninist non-sense will not work on to me. You don't even have any arguments. You keep going on these Judeo-revisionist spiels, which are ironic, considering you kikes are suppose to be materialists, and now you're arguing (((Marxist))) ideology is the primary driver of events. You jews are so genetically deficient you can't even get your stories straight.
You don't care about workers. You just use their inconveniences to manipulate them into being useful idiots for your death cult. The Elders of Zion, your manual, is public knowledge.
>"We appear on the scene as alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces - Socialists, Anarchists, Communists - to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our SOCIAL MASONRY. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labor of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are interested in just the opposite - in the diminution, the KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings. "
Word to word, you're saying and doing everything in your playbook you scheming kike. You're a Jewish foot soldier, and a servant of international Zionism. People are fed up with your Jewish non-sense, and you Christ killers will get what's coming to you soon enough.

>>20056323
The Great Reset is Communism. Its exactly about the abolition of money through inflation and central banking. That's how Marxists abolish all of things you talk about, retard, and that's how you come into control. You use usury and banking to strip people of their property. And that's what you and the Jewish bankers are doing now.

>>20056323
Marx was a Jew. Lenin was a Jew. Kaustky was a Jew. Communism is international Jewry. You deliberately lie about the Communist Programme, but history paints another story. It shows you kikes to be the perpetrators of the greatest crimes against humanity.

>>20056346
>Its exactly about the abolition of money through inflation and central banking.
Imagine thinking Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab want to abolish money.
> that's how you come into control.
Inbread it's about abolition of wage labor. What do you not understand about this?
>You use usury and banking to strip people of their property
I want to abolish, money, thus usury, and banking, yet, i'm supposed to use usury and banking to strip people of their property.
Retards, you understand exactly the opposite of what i want.
It's not me who has his brain upside down, it's you.
Now go back read the controversy of the elders of zion, for the tenth time.

>>20056323
>Communism isn't the Great Reset, chud!
>Its just everything the great Reset would accomplish, you stupid goy.

>>20056369
>Marx was a Jew.
Wrong. Marx converted to christianism at six. Or maybe, converting at six makes someone a jew? And what is "On the jewish question" (karl marx, 1844).

>>20056370
Communism is making the state the biggest landlord, and making everyone a pauper renter. You want to abolish all the methods individuals can gain wealth so that the state can use its monopoly on economic decision making to determine who lives and who dies. You literally admit this when you say "communism is the abolition of money, wage labor, and commodity production." Literal Pol Pot tier logic, and only Jewish inbreeding would create such a stupid individual pushing such stupid beliefs

>>20056374
You are the one obsessed with identity. As you are the one falling for the psy-op, putting identity on a pedestal, and ignoring class struggle. Identity, whether white identity, or black identity, sexual identity, is absolutely not a problem for the Capital. For the owners of the means of production. What is problematic for them, is class struggle.
You, focused on your identity, are not a threat for them.
>>Communism isn't the Great Reset, chud!
Imagine thinking Klaus schwab and the world economic forum are communist. You really don't understand anything.

>>20043637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BED_D6Hc6TU

This one?

>>20056390
>Communism is making the state the biggest landlord
There is no landlord. Only your infected mind is obsessed with landlord. Communism is freeing humanity from private property of the means of production. But you, in your alienated mind, cannot even imagine this.
>You want to abolish all the methods individuals can gain wealth
On lower stage of communism, individual will gain wealth proportionally to the amount of work they do.

>>20056393
>I'm not lying about Communism being the great reset! You are!

>>20056410
>Communism is freeing humanity
Lmao, holy kek you kikes are delusional. This is the secular messiah-ism you see in the fucking Talmud word from word. Basically promising a Jewish utopia. Holy shit, you aren't even trying to hide it.
>On lower stage of communism
Ah, yes, stages, where things get incrementally worse for the goyim as you suck more of the life out of them with state violence until they are perfectly programmable cattle for your amusement.
>GOY! The holodomor, Great leap Forward, Pol Pot's killing fields wasn't real communism! This time, goy, it will really be difference. Our rabbis will (((free))) you from your oppression. Just trust us, goy, we have your best interests in mind.
The sheer lunacy of this Jewish non-sense.

>>20039506
Everytime a girlfriend broke up with me it was as soon as I couldn't get my woody up, "you had no friend in me"
Fr
Fr

>>20056773
lmao

>>20056410
>Don't worry bro we just want to free humanity with the dictatorship of the proletariat ™

>>20039506
Your pic is retarded.
Getting a first salary and seeing with own eyes how little it is and how long it lasts while your boss gets most of fruits of your labour despite doing literally nothing is exactly what brings more people to the communism.

>>20057180
>Government takes most of your money through inflation and taxes
>Some how, this has convinced me more government control over my life is the answer
Judaism is a strange beast.

>>20057180
>Bosses literally do nothing
So where did the business come from?Who paid for your training, your uniform, your tools, who pays your salary, your unemployment insurance, healthcare, your paid time off, your and your retirement plan and social security taxes? Who ensures the business produces something that can create the wealth that gives you wage in the first place. I'll give you hint - none of these things were because of you.

>>20057180
Do you think people who run businesses sit at their desk and smoke cigars all day or something

>>20039506

karl marx was a racst, a homophobe, a sexist and an anti-semite

i would be considered a right-winger if he existed today

Marxism is about the critique of capital, but it fails by equalizing real economy with a platonic understanding of work, value and history. The only thing that can be understood as an ideal form is capital, all the other concepts are interpretations of systems and therefore not platonic thus create linguistic fallacies and confusion.

>>20056450
>Lmao, holy kek you kikes are delusional. This is the secular messiah-ism you see in the fucking Talmud word from word. Basically promising a Jewish utopia. Holy shit, you aren't even trying to hide it.
With you type, it's great. It's always a jewish plot.
Your type, obsessed anti-jew, in a summary:
Jews be Capitalistic billionaires: it's a talmudic conspiracy.
Jews, like Karl Marx, who isn't a jew by the way, he converted at six years old, be not Capitalistic billionaires, but communists who want to abolish money: it's a talmudic conspiracy.
In short, for you people, jews can be Captialistic billionaires, or wanting to abolish money, it's always a talmudic conspiracy.
Of course, if you National-socialist, make business, make money, validate wage-labor, it's not a talmudic conspiracy. R-right?
>GOY! The holodomor, Great leap Forward, Pol Pot's killing fields wasn't real communism! This time, goy, it will really be difference. Our rabbis will (((free))) you from your oppression.
I'm not bolshevik, as bolsheviks were state Capitalists, but you do not even know that the bolsheviks were anti-jews. That's right, the Yevsektsia, was a soviet instutition, created early, in 1918, which was anti-jew, anti-zionist, anti-jewish religion, and anti-hebrew. But you do not know about this, since you only know things that feed your obsessional anti-jewishness.
Here dumb-dumb, see if i'm lying: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevsektsiya
>The sheer lunacy of this Jewish non-sense.
Again, jews face contradiction be like: "fascist!"
You, retarded internet nazi, face contradiction: "you are a jew!". I even wanted to called your type NSDAP follower, or Hitlerian, as a show of some little respect, but you are so stupid, that nazi it is. You do not deserve to be called anything else than stupid, unread nazi.

>>20057987
seethe

>>20057180
>muh labor propaganda goy
face the wall now

>>20057256
No. People who "own" businesses, do not run them period. They hire other people to do that. Meanwhile they and their families live a life of luxury and don't need to lift a finger. Exquisite meals, multiple properties, urban bug man city life. Their work is "charity" or other nonsense. They don't even do yardwork. Someone at a business desk fiendishly smoking cigars is commendable, and something you will not find with the high-capital bourgeoisie.

>>20058029
finally someone who gets it.

>>20058020
There actually is some truth to this, the Jews view themselves as a descendant of Jacob and a forever enemy of Esau. It's written in their book (the Torah) that Amalek (which is widely interpreted as the gentiles) must be wiped/blotted out. It's an ancient blood feud hard-coded into their theology (Judaism) and worldview.

>>20057987 I'm not widely versed in "communist history" but Jews here are a big chunk of an ultra wealthy hyper capitalist upper class that is hostile/foreign to most middle/lower class Americans, that (along with traitor WASPs) imports cheap labor via NGOs and state-sponsored programs (hurts workers), and teaches college students retarded ideology (being a victim, woke politix, etc.) to disarm their collective consciousness, and us pointing this out is some sort of "modern pathology"? Even though it's so clear/right in front of our faces?

>>20039506
Because people wanted bring about communism not for the lols, but because it woupd make lives better. People realised that:
a) Capitalism breeds divide in working class by amplifying racism/sexism/etc
b) If communism could be build, abovementioned dividers would fuck up society anyway
So therefore worker struggle is necessary part of intersectionality

>>20058065
>Judaism isn't cain / esau

>>20057987
I'll make it simpler for you, if you're playing an RPG and there's a group of five orcs kicking your ass, are you operating in the real world if you say, "Oh my it's just a coincidence" or are you operating in fantasy land where group conflict doesn't exist.

>>20057987
Marx did not convert at six years old. His father was a rabbi. And if he did it was fake, he would have never found his place in the Jewish community if he was ever genuinely a christian.

see also pic related
>>20047488

>>20058070
here we go again, christian coping for torahism.
you can try and deny it all you want but the jews don't worship satan and the fact that you share the same holy book is why you have to do these multilevel marketing gymnastics to justify whatever is written in the bible about esau by saying "it's actually satan worship guyz!!!"

>>20047488
Marx was the grandson or great grandson of a well known rabbi, and he was also a race realist.
He was an evolved socialist (or devolved if you want to view it that way) who was a hardcore racist.
He'd literally be a /pol/tard if he were alive today.

>>20058086
take your meds
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-ashkenazi-gene-increases-schizophrenia-1.5294333

>>20058080
Who said anything about Christianity

>>20041066
>>20043003
t. peabrained urbanites

>>20058077
>Marx did not convert at six years old. His father was a rabbi. And if he did it was fake
Here we go. The delirium paranoia continues. Marx wrote "on the jewish question (Karl marx, 1844)", which is an anti-judaism pamphlet. But you didn't read it. Marx also was anti-jews in his newspaper interviews. Here, read this, because you also don't know about this: "… the real work is done by the Jews, and can only be done by them, as they monopolize the machinery of the loanmongering mysteries by concentrating their energies upon the barter trade in securities… " https://philosophersmag.com/opinion/30-karl-marx-s-radical-antisemitism

> he would have never found his place in the Jewish community if he was ever genuinely a christian.
You are totally, totally unread, and ignorant. Marx didn't have a jewish community, as he wrote a fucking book (on the jewish question, 1844), against judaic values, and was anti-jew in his newspaper interviews. Marx wrote about jews, that their practical social relation is "huckstering and money". He wanted to abolish "huckstering and money", which would have had for consequences to abolishing, de facto, judaism.
But why am i talking, you will never read "on the jewish question (karl marx, 1844), because you are an unread imbecile. I've giving this small book to natsoc in real life, they didn't even read the few most interesting pages. As they are lazy fucks, who only read about things that feed their rabid jew centered obsession. All encompassing, all mighty, jewish conspiracy.
Of course, natsoc having jewish values, huckstering and money, validating wage labor, which is jewish exploitation, is okay. See, if a jew makes money, it's a multi-millenarian talmudic conspiracy. If a nazi makes money, accumulate Capital, exploiting white proletarians (Henry Ford) it's about garantiing race purity. Henry Ford employed thousands of black people in his factories by the way. So much for racially pure Capitalism.

>>20058103
only christians would do what you just did with the star of remphan, major coping usually saying that it's "not the same thing", most rabbis believe they are worshipping god not satan or rephan, same with zionists they're not devil worshippers in their belief system.
They honestly believe God is permitting their behavior which is what makes it so horrifying.

>>20058125
>most rabbis believe
can you give me the phone # of yours so we can confirm that the baby he just sacrificed was actually for YHWH

>>20058112
>marx wrote on the jewish question

>"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse…this will assist in the realization of our plans. I have an excellent idea…I shall induce antisemites to liquidate Jewish wealth…The antisemites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The antisemites shall be our best friends.” Theodor Herzl, Austro-Hungarian political activist, writer, father of modern political Zionism

>marx wrote a pamphlet to control opposition to Jews

Lie and Seethe. its literally all you can do.

>muh henry ford
>muh you don't read my religious texts
>muh Marx said he wanted

Hasbara isn't sending their best

>>20058108
*shills

>>20040909
Social democracy still contains contradictions of capitalism, even if they aren't as explicit.
>>20042671
While lenin wrote some pretty good things, overall he is not to be trusted. After 1917 he usurped genuene worker movement, transforming it into dictatorship. Stalin is fault of Lenin.
>>20050299
And capitalism is better than feudalism
>>20051110
>Darwinist, which is inherently anti-woke
How? And also, Marx isn't afucking god, he can make mistakes even in good books, or just not knowing about things. Capital was influenced by Marx taking Whealth of Nations to it's logical conclusion.
>>20053421
The only problem with liberals most of the time is that they are trapped within capitalist realism. Just like Russians that coupdn't comprehend Russia without Tsar, liberals can't comprehend mere concept if moving beyond capitalism. For them capitalism is a natural order of things, like gravity or electro-magnetism.
>>20056417
Nice quote of fiction writer

>>20051110
This is ultimately why I could never be a materialist. Very well written take

>>20058168
Social democracy is marxism and international banking incubating.

stay mad

>capitlaism is better than feudalism
Capitalism is inherently worse. A group of foreign bankers own the country's central bank in a far away country, all property is owned by large banker corporations who get to make money out of nothing with usury and speculation.
There is no real property because of eminent domain and the fact that all property is for purchase with said funny money.

>>20046409
Girard says that Satan has become sneakier, and now has learned the language of the victim to subvert the war against the mimetic crisis

>>20051110
marx was a propagandist. He didn't care about his followers because they were gentiles or goyim. He had to create a group of terrorists and radicals, not infertile slaves. It is not darwinistic to acknowledge the inherent that homosexuals to a totalitarian marxist state are a waste of resources, becuase they don;t create more goyim slaves. Secular humanism has nothing to do with Christianity.

>>20046409
You're a dumb pleb. Ideology isn't about what the person meant or was thinking but how the ideas effect human behavior. Whether the author intended it or not the logical consequences of his ideology are the same.

>>20058175
Socdems understand that current capitalism is bad, but never understan WHY it's bad. Of course, their actions are mostly net positive, but ulitmatley they will not be enough.
>foreign bankers
Who gives a fuck if they are foreign? Local mafia is just as bad as foreign one.

>>20058192
they are a foreign nation in class and ethnicity. Wolves of the same pack can't survive if they are killing and enslaving each other

>>20058197
Kings always had more in common with each other than with their subjects. And wolf packs are not human societies.

>>20058203
keep backpedaling shill.

>>20058223
>backpedaling
are you sure you understand defenition of this word?

>>20040015
no this >>20040003 anon is right

>>20046409
Look at all the seething cücks.
>they hated him cos he spake the truth.

>>20058086
This is absolutely true and /pol/ would be the first to welcome him based on the shit he actually wrote over anywhere else at this point. Jewish nigger.

>>20057227
>unemployment insurance, healthcare, paid time off, your retirement plan and your social security taxes

These things are practically nonexistent for majority of american workers today. “Wow, if I work for an entire year I can accumulate 8 whole days off!!!! I’m so thankful for my rich boss!”

>>20058720
>/pol/ would welcome the son of a Kike dynasty and pro-Rothschild shill
>/pol/ loves Marx

>>20055035
All the things you cited are liberal fetishes. Leftists hate the managerial class.

>>20056399
That one.

>>20056336
I admire your zeal.

>>20058892
>These things are practically nonexistent for majority of american workers today.
If actually worked, you would know this is false. You're mandated to pay it out of your taxes. In fact, you've probably never signed a tax return in your life because you have to report this on your W2 form you retard.

>>20058026
Why do nationalists glorify Otoya Yamaguchi for murdering Inejiro Asanuma?
I get that some people just like to make glib jokes about leftist politician getting killed because they like to jack off while fantasizing about hurting people they disagree with, but do they not realize that Otoya dealt a terrible blow to the cause of Japanese nationalism by doing what he did? Asanuma was one of the few prominent politicians in the 1950's who was advocating for total autonomy from America and the removal of all US military bases, as well as the formation of a pan-Asian bloc to defend against foreign imperialist meddling. Otoya was (unwittingly or otherwise) doing the bidding of the US state department by icing this politician who was threatening American hegemony. I don't think that nationalists would be making these stupid wisecracks if they knew that Oyoto was actually a cucked idiot who undermined Japan's national interests and further enshrined the LDP's (and by extension, America's) domination of the country.

>>20059724
>He dealt a terrible blow to Japanese Nationalism by killing a communist foreign agent who defended Mao Zedong and wanted to bring the holodomor to Japan
No, Oyota is a hero for killing people like you. Your Jewish lies don't convince anyone here all. We need to do what Oyota did to people like you publicly and more often.

>>20059724
Asanuma was a shabbos goy who tried to sell out Japan to the Chinese. The biggest threat to Japan wasn't America, it was the Chinese Communists at their doorstep.

>>20058175
>Capitalism is inherently worse. A group of foreign bankers own the country's central bank in a far away country, all property is owned by large banker corporations
That's communism and Judaism. "Capitalism" is a word invented by socialists. Its not even a legitimate one.

>>20039506
When your movement is about choosing to side with the unsuccessful, you can't expect it to not find people who are unsuccessful and side with them.

The fact that majority of leftists were against the trucker protests says everything

>>20042516
I can't understand how every decade leftists keep saying we're entering the final stages of capitalism. Your ilk have been saying this since the 1800s, the whole reason the Frankfurt school was founded was because Marxists couldn't understand why WWI didn't lead to a continental socialist revolution.

It's one thing to critique capitalism and talk about potential solutions, but this whole TWO MORE WEEKS AND CAPITALISM WILL CRUMBLE is just embarrassing.

>>20060279
I keep pointing out, and they just like, like they always do, and accuse the truckers of being fascists so yeah - commies are kikes and liars. Its all a fraud.
>>20060912
Marxism is a psyop and shabbos goy fall for it

>>20059736
it was both and one traitor is no better than another.

>>20059724
nice try bro. as soon as he got power he would have been a vassal to the CCP and the USSR Everyone here has read alinsky

>>20056336
most based post i have ever read on /lit/

>>20056384
no amount of lying will conceal your guilt or stop your penalty

>>20039593
>merely pretending to be enslaved