/lit/ - Literature

>>20042790
First for Gene Wolfe

>>20042790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yz4_1mZarA

>>20042790
Tolkien's love of elves and men interbreeding, or maia and elves, is actually pozzed.

Bakker reign supreme, prose so good make pussy cream, haters rage and scream, rage so hard they blow steam

>>20042790

>>20042886
Average sci fi reader (non-supreme)

>>20042572
>no gays
but w*men on cover, I rather read non-straight than read non-men.

This is the misery of the sandersoi, they read books with w*men on covers but shit on others for reading gay books, fuck this shit, gays are actually based for not needing w*men.

>>20043074
>recommended by robin hobb
pozzed

This is the misery of the sandersois
Act hard but they are soft bois
This is the misery of the sandersois
Act supreme but get pegged like fuck toys

Sandersoi non-supreme
Sandersoi rage and scream
Sandersoi hey hey hey
Sandersoi he will pay

Is this man writing the new bible? I am reading third book in the stormlight archives and he's literally writing kind of fantasy that most mythologies tend to fall in to some extent. Bigger then life in every sense. He's describing various virtues in depth, explains each of his point through various stories then goes in depth as to how to follow these ideals correctly. Finally he shows how this would benefit one and everyone. Is this okay?

This guy was a missionary for Mormon church and seems like to really believe what's he's writing. I've seen him talk about how he decided to write even if he never succeeded. He claims he'd been writing for a long time at that point and wasn't getting anywhere. But somehow it felt right to write even if he was unsuccessful. First ideal of his religion seems to be "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." It is one of more discussed ideas so far. And what seems interesting to me is how it's the first one and it is shared across hierarchies as it is there to safeguard rest of the ideals just like the first amendment.

On top of this he redefines what we consider reality like many eastern religions. He has lived in Asia if I'm remembering correctly. Quantum physics is part of his magic. Does he think he's a prophet or is it just me?

is there anything worse than fantasy fiction novel set in the real world?
>it's Napoleonic France but with dragons and magic, so hecking cool!

>>20043074
At least his books have actual cover art and not the abstract shit that goes on every other pop fiction book for the last decade.

>>20043109
Sandersoi is sjw and a simp, he writes "strong independent" w*men characters and he makes them reign supreme over men! which will never happen in real life. everyone knows, brandon blows.

>>20043109
this is Bakker general, gtfo (I haven't actually read any of his books but I like him cus women complain about his writings being sexist)

>>20043126
I go to goodreads to see w*men seething over Bakker books, funny shit.

>>20043136
Dare I say they are WOMANISH! GOT EEM

w*men non-supreme
they rage and scream
men rise, w*men fall
w*men short, men tall

W*men love sandersoia
Men love Bakkerstan

Ghost of Bakkerstan is dominating Sandersoia, he downed a lot of pozzed machines

I feel like we lost a lot of bakkerchads, this used to be more fun. I blame pozzed posters that discuss pozzed books, if any bakkerchad found a better site link it please.

Bakkerchad spirits will always lurk in this general

Brutal display of Bakker supremacy

>>20043228
His muscles in this pic is not that hard, its like a starving guy but he didn't lose his muscle mass yet.

>>20043117
I can dig urban fantasy if it's not just "inexplicably the same as our world but also magic". That's part of what put me off of Street Cultivation, in fact. How the fuck is the world still so similar (yet even more capitalist) if supernatural martial artists are going all over the place.

>>20043228
>>20043236
Weird I can't see any phallic shape? Not sure this is even from Bakker's works.

>>20043241
It is but its dumbed down for the masses, you can't make it big with curved phalluses everywhere.

>>20042804
I've just finished the Sword of the Lictor and it was really fun! I'm so happy I didn't drop the series after the first book. I hope the Citadel of the Autarch just gives the story a meaningful conclusion.
In a way, Severian's tetralogy is God Emperor of Dune I wanted to read. You know that series is good when it rectroactively makes something unrelated become good.

>>20043241
>I can't see any phallic shape?
I got you

>>20043074
Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>20042790
Fingolfin's duel in the Silmarillion is so fucking awesome

Tried reading the Wizard Knight. Turns out the book is written in a first person recollection diary perspective. It's impossible to get immersed with this format. Not gonna bother.

>>20043423
Can tolkien ever write something that's not pure good and evil?

>>20043428
Aren't the Men in Tolkien's universe a grey zone on the map of morality?

>>20043434
>>20043423
Most men sided with Morgoth, the big baddie. But this is hardly explored at all in the Silmarillion.

Also interesting the most known dark elf is kidnapper, rapist, and attempted murderer of his rape-wife.

>Tekne so transformed the problems faced by the progenitors that all the old ways became impossible. It raised them from their traditions, struck the shackles of custom from their intellects, until only their common animality constrained them. They worshipped themselves as the measure of all significance, gave themselves over to wanton gluttony. Nothing was forbidden them, short the obstruction of others and their desires. Justice became the calculation of competing appetites. Logos became the principle of their entire civilization.
>“By imperceptible increments,” the one-eyed Dûnyain said, his face strange and glaring, “the Tekne unfettered their desires, allowed them to plumb ever deeper perversions.”

>>20043561
Anime girls and V-tubers are the product of Tekne.

>>20043561
Strong independent w*men are the product of Tekne.

>>20043561
Now this is good prose.

>>20043710
The gif is men when Tekne rule supreme.

>>20042720
not him but if an author or a book is pozzed, are we not allowed to call it out on /lit/ ?

>>20043762
Nothing makes troons seethe more than pointing out how pozzed their book is, point out the pozzedness of their book and shame them for it, this is the misery of the pozzed reader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kLr1aNQTfQ
>Sanderson's second secret book is an isekai

>>20043666
fucking metal yo

>>20042884
>Le gay rape man

>>20043762
WN Sleeps is not a real author.

>>20043840
Sanderson EXPOSED! everyone is refunding the money and now he is bankrupt.

I want an explanation on why Esmewhore is the only "saved" character according to Judging Eye. Okay I guess being a fucking whore, and not just a regular one but a slutty horny kind like her is not sin somehow, but is selling your daughter into sexual slavery not a sin also? Did she not later burn an entire city out of vengeance? Did she not sentence countless people to horrible death and torture during her tenure as Empress? What the fuck is the criteria?

>>20043991
It's about how women act when men don't fight back, they start with whoring then suddenly they burn entire cities down. this is how it is and Bakker knows it.

>>20044002
Absolute based deluxe, non-pozzed truth shines supreme

>>20043840
hack plagiarist fraud trying to ride the latest fashion

any questions?

>>20043428
t. gandalf the greyfag

>>20043840
I wasn't going to look at any spoilers for these books until I saw the cool shit they're going to do for the hardcovers. Now I need to figure out if I'll like each enough to pay for the physical versions since they'll look great on my shelf.

Isekai can be fun.

>>20044150
>has to figure out if he has to pay for editions and versions for the shelfs
This is the misery of the sandersoi

Box > Shelf

I think having a box for book is more based

>>20043991
>Okay I guess being a fucking whore, and not just a regular one but a slutty horny kind like her is not sin somehow
Yeah, that's a job.
>but is selling your daughter into sexual slavery not a sin also?
They don't have welfare, so yes. It's better to sell your child to someone who will treat it like an investment than let it starve or get murderapenapped.
>Did she not later burn an entire city out of vengeance? Did she not sentence countless people to horrible death and torture during her tenure as Empress? What the fuck is the criteria?
Expected outcome. Women have no moral agency.

>>20042886
Animorphs is actually good though.

Three Body Problem:
>china bad
>china causes the end of the world
>.hack nerds want to end the world because reasons
>humanity nuts up and starts to prepare for the invasion
>based sophons dab on humans
>3 grand retards are given infinite resources to fight the aliens
>2 immediately get figured out and kill themselves
>1, our hero the neet who has an extensive scene involving his imaginary waifu, uses the infinite dosh to get a bitching house and wife
>our neet hero eventually saves the world and has the aliens by the balls forcing an uneasy truce
>blackmail aliens for tech
>humans make a fleet and colonies
>after 100 years of peace, based neet passes off trigger to dumb bitch
>aliens attack immediately because shes a pussy bitch
>get dabbed on by aliens because fleet is only hundreds of kilometers apart
>everyone unironically gets sent to australia by based sophon
>our second neet hero whose brain got shot into space saves the day
>kino fantasy story
>everything becomes 2d
>saved by 4d asspull
>nukes in space liquify crews
>neet hero 2 fucks a random wench
>dumb bitch hides until the end of time only to fuck up the next universe by creating a fishgod
Based series

>>20043425
>muh immersion
grow up

>>20044233
Fuck forgot
>based psychopath american saves the humanity multiple times, was humanity’s savior but soibois were too limp wristed
>based high tech super aliens sit around and nuke anyone that makes a noise. Humanity made s shitton of noise lmao
>reality used to be 8 or 11 dimensions but has broken down to our reality because of nonstop war

if hobbits are of the race of men and men can't be permitted to live forever on Valinor but to die and leave the world why at least 2, and later supposedly 3 (Bilbo+Frodo,then Sam) are embarked on the greys ships? they are the last 3 living ring-bearers that somewhat felt the traction of its power and frodo was also touched by the morgul blade curse so i can understand that they went to be healed but if the blessing (for Tolkien) of their kin is death aren't they theoretically deprived of their aforementioned blessing?
inb4 lotr is shit

>>20044171
Usually you can read a book to see if you like it before buying the hardcover. But kikestarter expects you to pay up front. It's an uncommon situation.

>>20044209
>Women have no moral agency.
I thought morals were pozzed and non-epic?

>>20043425
mmh well i've read one or two auto-biographies with 1st person approach and they were quite intimate and immersive

>>20044274
Yeah that's why I did the famous sandersoi line mocking the situation.

>>20044241
It feels like reading the diary of a rambling schizo instead of being immersed in another world.

>>20044282
pozzed means positive to the hiv virus: it's fun because i thought it meant like post-modern in a derogatory way

>>20044282
If you're a giant faggot maybe.

>>20044298
>It feels like reading the diary of a rambling schizo
Have you never read Wolfe before?

So did Bakker kill himself? I'm not really basing the question on much but I mean... just look at him, we're all kind of expecting it right?

>>20044302
Semantics don't matter.
Only practical application does.

>>20044312
He is dominating the skies fighting the commies, and he WILL come back to continue writing, its what I choose to believe.

>>20044334
I know that feel

>>20044233
Had no idea that series becomes so grand, actually want to check it out now

>>20042790
The Cloud Roads, The Books of the Raksura #1- Martha Wells (2011)

This was one of the most uneven books I've ever read. The worldbuilding was top tier. It provided an amazing sense of wonder and potential. Initially, I was ecstatic. Unfortunately, that made it contrasts all the more with how bad everything else is, especially the plot and antagonists, which were both basic and terrible. The characters and their relationships were adequate at best and left much to be desired. There's a romance, but it's not much of one.

There arguably weren't any humans in this world, it wasn't entirely clear as there were so many different races. At least one of the races isn't humanoid at all and yet is basically treated the same as if it weren't unusual. None of the races are of the standard sort, at least not that I could tell anyway. Several are reminiscent of others, but not enough to where I'd call them that.

The world was littered with the ruins of many different civilizations all over the place and no one seemed to really know what that was about. As can be seen on the cover there were floating islands of varying sizes dotted here and there, which also had ruins of ancient civilizations on them. I loved the idea of floating islands and continents. Not nearly enough was made of them, though how they float was explained.

The protagonist, shown on the cover, was a shapeshifter and that's his shifted form. In his groundling form, as those without wings were called, he's considerably more "human" and was able to pass among the various humanoid races. He also served as the reader surrogate because he knew almost nothing because of his upbringing, so characters were constantly informing him about everything.

This had a strong start for me, but the more I read, the less I was enjoying myself. Over time the plot takes precedence over everything else, and it's a relatively standard adventure plot of fighting one-dimensional cannibalistic pseudo-demons who just want to murder, rape, and devour. I was exceedingly disappointed. This could've been great if everything else had been on par with the worldbuilding.

Based on how I felt as the book progressed, combined with a few reviews from those who have read the entire series, and reading the provided summaries of the following books, this will be the only book in the series that I'll read. I can already tell that for each book I'd read in the series that I'd only become more embittered and regret having done so. I choose to avoid that agony.

Rating: 3.5/5 (rounded down)

>>20042455
>WHY IS SEIVARDEN?
Certainly not for any in-story reason. I could speculate for various meta reasons though.

>Presger
I intentionally read it every time as PRESAGER. It seemed like it was to show there was always someone higher up on in the caste/hierarchy, because the series seems to be very concerned about that.

>>20044202
Digital storage is best.

>>20044379
Synopsis:

World building is supreme
plot is basic
antagonists are garbage
characters were meh
relationships are pozzed

the book is about non-humans

the world is full of city ruins

the protagonist is shapeshifter supreme

good at start but gets non-good the more you read

will not continue reading the series cause it causes misery

3.5/5

>>20044439
That's why you should read Bakker.

>>20042884
>>20043168
>>20043209
>>20043175
>>20043228
>>20044002
>>20044011
I made the black seed cookies. They're pretty good, especially if you like bitter, dark, complex flavor profiles.
https://tarateaspoon.com/black-sesame-chocolate-chip-cookies/

>>20044461
Looks sublime, I will definitely try it.

>>20044439
Remora

>>20042778
What was sad was when the McGill Creature got retconned from Leader of Earth, and everyone's memory got wiped, as no one remembers he had that position.

>>20042790
Is there anyone writing like Gene Wolfe but in a more discrete Science Fiction or Fantasy setting rather than both?

Also, how are the Expanse books? I'm watching the show and it's okay but I can't help but wonder what the series is like. I usually don't read Sci-Fi but have enjoyed Blindsight/Echophraxia and The Three-Body Problem

I can't wait for GRRM to write the novelization of Elden Ring so I have any clue as to what I played

space cats

>>20044665
So instead of writing Winds of Winter, he was writing game backstories? Just like Rothfuss.

I really hope no one believes those two will publish anything.

>>20044712
bast

>>20044270
I thought elves were like 7 feet tall yet in this pic they look close in height to Gandalf. Was Gandalf himself really tall in the books or did the artist fuck up

>>20044788
dunno, this is the Gandalf that has been lifted from his burden of winning over Sauron and the ring so he's returning to his more maia-like appearance? bullshit aside i'm rereading the fellowship and g. the grey iirc is slightly shorter than aragorn

>>20044325
yep, it just make me giggle

>>20044334
what?

>>20045096
maas? has she gotten better?

>>20045103
No but booktok has made certain that anything she writes will always get published so look forward to more of her.

>>20045113
i thought we just shitpost about her, not actually read her dreck

>>20045096
still a better author than sanderson

>>20045096
I'm completely out of the loop on the joke here.

>>20045136
The joke is that some failed author in /sffg/ who got rejected multiple times is seething at Sarah J. Maas for being a sec-publish author and getting a publishing house to publish her works.

>>20045144
Ah. I'm not at all familiar with her books, I've only seen them in some bookstores. I'm sure they're probably fine.

>>20045096
Do either or both of these series involve love triangles? Also, she's kind of hot.

>>20045096
Looks pozzed. Why post this trash on /lit/ ?

>>20045096
>tfw not a girl so you don't get a literal mountain of trash written for you

>>20045122
this is /sffg/ anon, we're bottom feeders

>>20045231
Because /lit/ is the cesspool of the literature world.

It's where trash settles and ferments, pushing more fun works to the forefront of the human collective.

>>20045233
Did publishers start only making books for women because men stopped buying books, or did men stop buying books because publishers only made books for women?

>>20045239
only because faggots like you only read mediocre plain stuff. theres tons of good interesting, original, good sffg books out there but 90% of people just consoom pages and pages of pulp. not saying it's terrible, it's often very enjoyable and so on, but it's just that, pulp, not worth remembering and pretty much as valuable as watching whatever shit is available on netflix

apparently sanderson wrote 4 books in one single year, there's no fucking way they are good but there's tons of people interested in it, others have read dozens of bland 40k novels.

i know i'm generalizing and exaggerating a bit but honestly it's pretty bad

>>20045233
i got u king

>>20045316
>apparently sanderson wrote 4 books in one single year,
he wrote five books in two years

>>20045316
Without sounding like a dickhead: What good sffg material have you read recently? I assume you are talking about recent publications. Also, what methods /resources do you use to filter through and find things to your tastes?

>>20045233
The Gor series has 36 books

>>20045316
Why do I feel you are the one who shits on this >>20045321 everytime it's posted?

We are already living in the real world and experiencing the shit and strife of real life. Why the fuck can't people in their downtime read something that would uplift their mood and put them in a better mental headspace?

Why the fuck should I read boring shit that would make me want to kill myself faster than I already planned?

>>20045361
That list gets shat on because it is inaccurate and that anon (you) is a diamond-dozen defensive newfag stereotype.
not that anon

>>20045371
How is it inaccurate? It's not a list of 'good things' it's just a list of things in a category. Do some just not qualify?

>>20045391
>It's not a list of 'good things'
lel

>>20045371
Who is the newfag? The one shitting on the chart, or the one who made the chart?

Because I was here since sffg day one, and used to samefag sffg until it became self sustaining. Most of the memes we had over the years was me. Remember Gay Rape Incest? Freedom Bear spoofs? Gene Wolfe Pringles? The Dinosaurs?

>>20045394
>gri
based

what are you, fucking 12?
imagine not reading for fun but instead to be "intellectually stimulated"
Rumao

>>20045394
The latter.

>whoa dude check out these epic maymays I forced
Yes, it definitely sounds like you came here with the 2011+ Reddit crowd.
/lit/ (and /sci/) should have never been split off /r9k/

>>20045401
If you choose to have fun with baby crib toys people are going to laugh at you.

>>20045240
As a collective we need to work together and get rid of this pozzed garbage, those pozzed aurhors and pozzed posters should know that pozzed trash will not be tolerated on this board.

>>20045401
/lit/ has been ruined by underage americans
they come here thinking they're all superior for some fucking reason because they know how to read fucking books
it's the same thing with /his/ and /sci/

>>20045405
I was here (4chan) before 2011, fagget.
I was in /b/ in early 2000s, then went to /co/ and /g/ then /an/, then /lit/.

I was the list fagget back then, as I used to recommend people books by posting a screen shot of my "library"

>>20045261
Jewish publishers are and always have been selling books to other jews and good goys (pozzed), straight white men was never a target audience.

>>20045434
>>20045442
Go back to Twitter.

we should return to the gay rape incest
would filter normies

>>20045405
Also it wasn't so much a forced meme, but a foundation to build our budding community around.
The memes were coined by others, I just made badly edited gimp edits.

Fun Fact. GRI was used for the Prince of Nothing Series

>>20045439
have you ever visited 12 chan?

>>20045316
I hate pseuds like you.

>>20045452
The "normies" left these threads years ago. Coincidentally around the same time this general went to absolute shit.

>>20045457
And prince of nothing is shit. What’s your point?

it's just fucking words, why are you guys acting like it somehow elevates itself into a higher artform just because it's bound into a book
there's nothing special about reading books, you are Not special for reading books

>>20045450
just the design of twitter is pozzed, finding any kind of relevant information is almost impossible, it is basically coomsume whatever we decide to show you. Worse is when 100% of content on twitter is pozzed.

>>20045486
Holy fuck, why do you shit up the thread. Just fuck off already.

>>20044233
3 boody is sick. deaths end gets a bit much but pretty solid overall. based sophons home planet gets dabbed on which was metabased

>>20044712
dune?

>>20045499
Can’t you read? How the fuck is that Dune?

this is just a place to shitpost over a common interests

>>20045504
No, just a select few faggots who shit up the thread because they got no life. The pst few threads were decent overall with active discussion.

>>20045501
>.<

this thread makes me >.<

>>20045506
At this point I'm considering filtering "pozzed" because that's like every third word that guy says.

>>20044712
don't know how I feel about CJ
read the Morgaine Cycle and the first trilogy of the foreigner series
liked the foreigner series more than I did the morgaine cycle, though that might just be my affinity for SF

>>20045361
I've never commented about it but had it saved on my phone because I want to check more of the authors there. I'm going to do a longer writeup on Cebelius and his HP Lovecraft tier mommy issues when I finish the Celestine Chronicles.

It's OK to enjoy stuff you know is trash.

>>20045515
Honestly, just report it at this point. Most, if not all of his posts are just extremely low-effort.

>>20045515
>tell someone to go back to twitter
What were you honestly expecting?

>>20045522
I'm honestly pretty low-standards for my enjoyment of books. If I can generally enjoy most of the characters, there's relatively few plot holes and the plot overall is coherent, I'll like it. The worst a book can do is have characters I just don't care about.

>>20045520
I liked them well enough, the romance were cute

>>20045527
I didn't say that.

>>20045515
Report it. Mods actually delete it along with the rest of his posts.

>>20045473
Written word is something exclusive to humans, it is our creation and has unlimited potential to grow and improve, objectively it is also the highest form of art.
Only some braindead 56% mutt like yourself cannot see past the rudimentary function of passing information in written form and enjoy and appreciate higher artistic literature.

>>20045506
>>20045515
Yes, it is always someone elses fault, it is never the fault of the person who post pozzed and coomer trash in thread.
If you want a nice, clean thread don't post trash.

>>20045601
Nah, fuck off back to Twitter and take your buzzwords with you.

>>20045616
Rude

>>20045601
Coomlit can be pretty good though. Just don't let your friends know you read it.

>>20045676
I've looked at some of it and most of it seems to be kinda awful. Are there any good ones that're just "Oh also sex" rather than "threadbare plot as an excuse for sex scenes"?

>>20045676
as long as it's marketed as coomlit and not advertised in fantasy or sf category

>>20044788
Gandalf is meant to be like 5'6.

Finished Mona Lisa Overdrive
What the hell was that ride.
Am i wrong or did Mona gun down Angie as she jacked into Bobbys aleph?
I get 3jane hated Angie but what was the actual point of abducting her and using a double for the swap? And if Bobby wasnt jacked into the matrix how was she pulling the strings to set up Molly, Swain, and Angie?
Why was sense/net blocking angies ability to jack into the matrix/communitcate woth the voodoo AI? There an actual end goal to that?
What was Colins real deal, other than "muh yakuza duty protecc kumiko-chan"?
Why do i have so many questions, Virtual Light, Neuromancer, and Count Zero all felt nice and neatly wrapped at the end of their arcs.

>>20045718
>>20045676
>Male and female character have sex
>UGH DISGUSTING COOMLIT
>Gay male characters have sex
>YASSSS SLAY KUWIN

At least the mods are cleaning up the thread a bit.

>>20045734
Of course not. Any kind of sexual or romantic relationship (straight or gay) is not needed in sf or fantasy.

>>20045770
Technically no relationships at all are needed. They can exist, though.

I wish Western authors were as openly degenerate and goofy as Chinese schoolgirl authors.

>>20045746
They remove all the bakkerspam and some of the pozzedspam as well.

>>20043251
H.G. Giger did

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/03/09/random-updates-and-bits-o-news/

>I made a lot of progress on WINDS in 2020, and less in 2021… but “less” is not “none.”

it's over, huh?

>>20045903
>more Dunk and Egg kino

we all knew it was his real magnum opus

>>20045903
>>20045913
Novelization soon!

>>20042790
Tell me if these books and their sequels are good or not
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0316219045/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0316212288/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?

https://www.amazon.com/Winterbirth-Godless-World-Brian-Ruckley/dp/0316068063

https://www.amazon.com/Scourge-Betrayer-Bloodsounders-Arc-Book/dp/1597804517

https://www.amazon.com/Ember-Blade-Darkwater-Legacy/dp/1473214866

>>20046067
I've read the Powder Mage trilogy. It's fine.

>>20046076
K thx bye

>>20046067
For bayonet fantasy, skip Powder Mage and read Shadow Campaigns.

I want to kick rickon

>>20046134
why do you recommend lesbian fantasy?

What are the most immersive fantasy book series you've read?
For me ASOIAF and LOTR are the best

>>20045728
I really wish I could interact with you but I haven't read this.

I also really wish we had a higher volume of people actually participating with discussing sffg literature. Maybe it's time to move on.

>>20046134
Only the first book is readable

>>20046190
The whole Sprawl trilogy is worth a read.
Everyone touts Neuromancer as the bees knees but its two "sequels" are on par.

>>20046067
I'll second powder mage. I just finished both trilogies and they're worth a read if you like flintlock fantasy.

>>20046234
I've only read Neuromancer but I'm not really into Sci-Fi. I've been going through a bunch of Vance stuff and finished the Elric stuff not too long ago

>>20046237
>Main (kinda) character gets cucked but gets a cute mute redheaded indian waifu instead
>Sequel trilogy is about the woman who cucked him
Kinda ballsy?

>>20046241
I liked that Vlora was still suffering for being a cheating slut a decade after the fact, if in minor ways by then. Definitely ballsy in current year to not make her an empowered woman who was in the right by cheating somehow.

>>20042790
Are there any good youtibe channels that review fantasy books?

>>20046249
I'd like to add on that I didn't hate Vlora at all despite her being a cheating slut. I thought she was well written and I quickly got over my annoyance at her being a POV character for the sequel. So the author did a good job there.

>>20046190
>>20046190
>I also really wish we had a higher volume of people actually participating with discussing sffg literature
That's just what happens when you have a small group of posters and everyone is reading different things. All the staples that everyone has read get discussed every now and then but we've mostly talked them all to death. The wheel of time threads on /tv/ while the show was airing were a temporary /sffg/ renaissance that included discussion of other series as well and it was great fun. That's probably the best to hope for.

>>20046240
Nice, i have the Tales of the Dying Earth collection, but stopped after Liane the Wayfarer.
Might return to it now, or read some Conan short stories before I pick up the next novel.
Been thinking of taking a break from sf&f and reading Grapes of Wrath or Where the Crawdads Sing. Then returning to more cyberpunk or curling up with
the Discworld books i got for christmas.
Happy reading Anon!

>>20046276
>That's just what happens when you have a small group of posters and everyone is reading different things.
I don’t think that’s an issue. The last few threads you had people discussing books and other things. I think it’s the shitposters that’s killing any and all discussions from happening in /sffg/.

>>20046290
>I think it’s the shitposters that’s killing any and all discussions from happening in /sffg/.
Coming from /tg where two tripfag trolls and the anons obsessed with hating them tarnished the board game general for about a year: these things pass.

>>20046317
>Coming from /tg where two tripfag trolls and the anons obsessed with hating them tarnished the board game general for about a year
World of darkness?

The quality of the thread has gone up significantly since I stopped posting here

>>20046256

>>20046347
Fuck off Daniel

>>20046290
>>20046317
Honestly, it wouldn't be a problem in /sffg/ if the mods just ban the shitposters, since its only them repeating the same shit in every thread.

>>20046328
No, niche boardgames as opposed to miniatures or roleplaying

>>20046381
Sorry to hear that, especially for a niche game. Never understood the purpose of just fuckin over an entire general.

>>20044270
I believe the hobbits do die of old age in Valinor it just takes awhile. Tolkein said it in a letter or some shit.

>>20042804
>read shadow
Pretty good, like the worldbuilding, like the character, a little put off by the way it's told, but it grows on me
>read claw
Really good, things are starting to happen, world is fleshed out naturally and Severian gets cooler and cooler
>read sword
Fucking NONSTOP kino holy shit brehs how is it so good
Almost done with sword, at this point. I haven't read much in my life yet, but wolfe is immediately one of the top dogs in my tierlist

>>20043425
I haven't even read it and I can tell you got filtered. Stick to magazines and clickbait articles, bro

>>20044270
There were exceptions to the rule. The role they played as ringbearers allowed them entrance. Gimli was also permitted to enter Valinor at the end of his life because Legolas wouldn't leave him behind (this is kino of the highest order). Galadriel spoke on his behalf as well to sway the Valar in his favor. As for dying, they might, idk, eitherway the world will end entirely and be remade with a new song of the ainur in which all people, elf, man, dwarf, hobbit, will play a part. We don't know where men went after death, but in the end we know where they'll all be.

>>20046358
Mods occasionally bans them. It’s how the last two threads had any discussions at all to begin with.

>>20046443
God, why is Tolkien so fucking great? He really is the grandfather of Fantasy.

>>20046450
There will never be another author like Tolkien ever again. Truly one of the greatest of all time. One of my favorite things about him (i forget where it was from) he was asked when he started writing LotR and he basically said that he doesn't know because he doesn't remember a time in his life where he wasn't working on the lore. He had the perfect mixture of dedication, knowledge of ancient mythos, autism, and understanding of linguistics. We shall never see his like again.

>>20046462
>There will never be another author like Tolkien ever again
True that, and I really hate that several fantasy authors tried to copy off him and not due their own things.

>>20046419
>I haven't even read it
No one cares what you have to say then.

>>20042886
I read infinite Stratos and it’s a shame the author will never finish it because the readers didn’t like his waifu.

>>20046532
many such cases
like my wife or you can get the fuck out of my life

>>20046538
It was the author’s fault for including even better girls. Not the readers fault they prefer them.

>>20046475
I'd be happy for authors to copy Tolkien but the problem is that they only copy the surface level aspect of his work and never what motivated his writing

>>20046554
>I'd be happy for authors to copy Tolkien
I don't. Since readers will be burnt out by it. Happens all the time when people read the originals.

>>20044712
Interesting. What are some other books featuring space cats.

>>20046578
I don't think that's true considering it's never been done before so we couldn't say

>>20046616
Holy shit, is that real?? Bros..

>>20046407
Don't forget it's made to be read twice.

>>20046621
I'll say it has, in the form of Starship trooper and its copycats.

>>20046347
This guy mastered coping as Wheel of Time show was airing. He was bending backwards looking for justifications for all the changes.

>>20046771
>I love wheel of time it's the best series ever
>I also love brando sando
>Oh never mind everything in wot was shit these show guys know better than brando sando too haha fuck him and fuck jordan

Does anybody have a Warhammer chart? I read picrel and am pretty interested. I asked the only guy I know who reads Warhammer books and he just said to read Dan Abnett's stuff.

Why do people hate Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic?

>>20046475
>>20046462
>>20046450
tolkien ruined fantasy

>>20044216
This. Remnants was even better. Shame Applegate is stuck writing elementary school books.

>>20046874
read the books in the Crusade's End omnibus, best intro to the Warhammer universe with the most interesting characters.

>>20046874
Only for W40k, and they're out of date.

>>20047186

>>20047187

I started reading this because some faggot in here recommended it in his list.
I think I've made a huge mistake. But I gotta finish it now.

>>20047233
I felt filtered by the first page

I'm confused, did they send Daenerys to the house of the undying to eat her alive?

>>20047272
it was just a prank bro

>>20047233
How far are you into the book? First part is very slow and can be a drag, especially if you do not care about lenghty descriptions of the city and its habitants

What should I read? You have 10 seconds to reply or your mom will die.

>>20047365
My mom's prematurely curtailed diary.

>>20047365
ASOIAF

>>20046880
I like them, but if I'd read the other books first they'd have been disappointing.
The later works have a lot to say. "Modernization is sad but good on net", "this is how soldiers relate to officers", "nobility is enthralling and bad", "boo alcoholism", and so on. They're playful with genre conventions, but they have more going on than just that.
Colour of Magic is stuck at the level of "wouldn't it be funny if this wizard couldn't do magic". And yeah, it IS funny that the wizard can't do magic—but it's not enough for everyone.
Pratchett described it as "Blazing Saddles but for classical fantasy".

What's a fantasy series you read as a kid and was sad that it didn't live up to your memories?

Fuck bros I fucking wish I loved sanderson's writing, it's a curse to not like it

>>20047399
I loved this series a kid, but when I tried to read it again a few years ago I just couldn't, it read like crap to me. I shouldn't have started reading it in chronological order though, Over Sea, Under Stone kinda sucks.

>>20043109
I absolutely think he plays coy regarding the influence of his theological world view in his writings. He does some hand waving regarding regarding that naturally he will be influenced by the values and doctrine of his faith, but I think anyone the least bit familiar with LDS theology will see that it goes a bit deeper than that.
What initially got me interested in reading him was that he was, by all accounts, writing a giant Mormon Biblical Magi-Tech Space Opera. Unfortunately his writing is seems to be inversely proportioned to his productivity.

>>20047420
There's nothing there but interminable plotting. No soul. No life. Be glad your god gave you the spark of intelligence.

>>20043192
Once you read and understand Bakker you lose a lot of interest in this website

Maybe I should finish Dresden Files. I was reading them while I was backpacking in Japan for a few months and one of the books I downloaded was corrupted or something and I went on to read other things. I don't remember which book I stopped on.

>>20047276
And the latter half sucks when the actual banal plot starts.

>>20042884

>>20047276
2 chapters or so. So far I've read about some guy getting horny and having sex with a humanoid beetle who makes art with her spittle.

>>20043109
Stormlight would be a true epic (not a good one exactly, but epic still) if he kept the story self-contained and the sense of scale present in WoK and WoR. Sadly, he decided to turn it into a crossover that damages the value of the local conflict a lot, and whose role so far have been akin to shameless fanservice.
He blew it up.

>>20047516
This is why I like Mistborn. Just a nice self-contained trilogy that ends with the world ending.

>>20046874
> I asked the only guy I know who reads Warhammer books and he just said to read Dan Abnett's stuff.
He is correct. Just read Dan Abnett stuff. He's a hack, but the rest of BL authors are straight up shit.

How do I become more like my role model, Anasurimbor Kellhus?

>>20047548
Have forced anal sex with other man.

>>20047548
Don't sex with w*men

>>20047548
Reign Supreme in the face of adversary, and rule in absolute supremacy. If w*men mock you, fight back and don't let them rule supreme in front of men,

>>20047553
Serwe: fucked
Cnaiur: cucked

Esme: fucked
Akka: cucked

>>20047578

Reign: achieved
Supremacy: obtained
Rule: supreme

This is the way of Kellhus

>>20042834
based. jesus I still need to read LotR but I tried in middle school all these years ago and man it was kind of a slog.

>>20047603
Too late anon, Lolkien is now pozzed and un-red pilled because of the Amazon TV show made by jeff bezos the supreme pozzer.

>>20046880
They just read like a parody of fantasy instead of this interesting approach to it that the later books take. Those first two books are just making jokes about usual fantasy tropes, whereas later books are about fantasy tropes themselves, what they're about, etc.

>>20047516
Isn't Stormlight meant to be the conclusion of Cosmere? I think it was always intended to be Brandon's Avengers and that, unfortunately, we will see storylines and characters from his other books, both old and yet to come, increasingly get folded in to the Stormlight narrative.

I dropped the series after Word's of Radiance, I just couldn't justify the ratio of length to quality, but I have heard that the next two are extremely dull despite the fanservice.

>>20047365
LOTR

>>20047678
I think he's said the final Mistborn books will be the conclusion to the Cosmere. We're on the second set of four of Mistborn, third set will be 70/80s-ish era with a computer programmer on Scadrial, final set will be sci-fi. Stormlight currently takes place "slightly before Wax and Wayne" I think.

>>20047531
>mistborn
so much potential, all weighed down by having a female protagonist, pity

>>20047678
They are dull and extremely uninteresting unless you are in for the references to his other series. Sando doenst know what to do with his characters anymore, so he kinda repeat the same arc again and again.

>>20047713
>so he kinda repeat the same arc again and again
Gee i can't wait to dee what mental problem Shallan develops NEXT, keeping her an anxiety riddled wise cracking students pet.

>>20047722
I think her mental problems have been largely the same, it's the fact that her backstory STILL ISN'T FINISHED. HOW MUCH SHIT CAN ONE CHILD DO.

>>20046771
He's a progressive sjw liberal faggot, did you really expect him to have any semblance of integrity and loyalty?
He welcomes any change that's progressive and lgbtq++, even if it destroys the original author's intent.
Oh, and don't forget when he made his own novel and had to publicly "apologize" for making a diverse evil cop as a protagonist.
>FUCK THE POLICE, BLM!!! MORE DIVERSITY AND QUEERNESS IN MODERN FICTION!!!1!!
>G-guys, I'm really against the ebil police, it's just fiction, I'm on your side....
Because it's racist and bigoted when others do it, and it's freedom of speech when you do it.

>>20047706
>female protag

Always...

>>20045350
That is for skinny men with fat wives to read together

jeeesus, imhailas's death was brutal.

>>20047919
>Who

So Consider Phlebas was kinda weird, not great.. Player of Games was pretty good.. what do I read next Banksbros? you WERE aware that the Culture series attracts redhead mommy MILFs, right?

>>20047927
culture is commie bs

>>20047944
checked

>>20046771
>>20047794
I remember stumbling on him ages ago as a news source for the WOT show when it was just a vague concept- his very next video was him lying his long promised "nautical fantasy book" has been lost on a thumb drive - obviously just too embarrassed to admit his draft was shit.

>>20047927
That fucking collar. Keep your shoes on in that bitches house.

>>20047722
Mental illness writing is so boring, only women enjoy that repetitive self centered crap.

>>20047964
>Keep your shoes on in that bitches house.

What do you mean by this statement?

>>20045347
mostly i lurk here and write down things or writers people recommend or talk about. i'm very slow reading (probably 3 or 4 books a month) so i can always write down things faster than i go through them, but it also depends on whatever i feel like reading next and so on. some things i've read recently: The Mask of the Sorcerer, The Book of Wonder, The Crusades (Volume 1), The Fifth Season (just to see what it was like, i confirmed i think it's garbage), Ubik, Ranks of Bronze, Piranesi, To Reign in Hell. next i plan on readin is El Aleph, or maybe Downward to the Earth

i also try always to know very little about a book before starting it, i've had fantastic experiences discovering how good something is after i had forgotten why i added it to the list in the first place

>>20045361
read whatever you like, just don't think you are not wasting your time. i didn't say i myself don't like to read pulp from time to time, but i try to keep it low

>>20043109
He lives in Salt Lake City, not Asia. He probably thinks himself to be a God actually. He probably is extremely empowered by his success selling his books and he is about to double his net work with his kickstarter. All mormon men go on missionary period in pairs on a bikes knocking on your door for like a year. Sanderson hasn't redefined shit. His magic is dumb and so is pseudo science.

https://youtu.be/9kLr1aNQTfQ
Someone needs to tell him not to read sample chapters anymore. I've noticed he keeps doing this. It does not make me want to buy the book. His voice is not very theatrical. Hearing him read his own writing makes it all so cringe. Somehow the audiobooks are saved from good acting.

>>20048026
Yeah, he's not actually that good of a reader. He's a decent speaker if you see his classes he put up, but he doesn't really have a knack for how to properly pace reading a story out loud.

>>20047988
>i also try always to know very little about a book before starting it

checked and I should take a page from you. i do the exact opposite. literally before I read VALIS I read all about PKDs life.. then I read a bunch of shit on Gnosticism. maybe I got more out of my VALIS read by doing so.. but surely I also tainted it a bit

>>20047979
I mean be ready to dash when her man comes home - she's tricky.

>>20048032
Not the same guy, but personally I'll just dive in or not after reading the blurb. Typically if a story can keep me engrossed for the first 10% I'll go through it all, though I've read some trash all the way through even so.

It's cool to have a revenge story where there's no brooding or psychologizing of the protag. The closest he comes to that is wanting (and getting) space college pussy.

>>20048026
Is this an actual literature that real humans read? I listened for 3 minutes and it just sounds like a r/flashfiction shitpost that tries too hard to be funny

>>20048031
Yes he is good with tone, but he just sounds like a teenager or early twenty's boy and it just makes it all too distracting and frankly... immature.

>>20048067
People raised 27 million dollars on a kickstarter, the largest in history, for 4 books. He's reading from one of them. I'm almost finished with Way of Kings. I don't understand what people love about him. There is no way people read The Way of Kings in 2016 without any sequels and felt the book has a satisfying story.

>>20048083
The point of Stormlight is that it's meant to be a 10-part epic fantasy. It's not really pushed as each book being a complete story in and of itself, they're just arcs within the grander narrative. He was basically only able to get away with that because of being popular from Mistborn.

>>20048086
But it doesn't get the fantasy series pass. Even mistborn books have standalone plot structure. I'm sure there was heavy criticism back in 2016 before his cult. Harry potter books even had more of a story arch in each installment.

>>20048090
I feel like Way of Kings is the only one that actually suffers from that. Every other one is generally a bit more complete. Way of Kings is just almost entirely set-up for Kaladin becoming an important character in the story.

>>20048083
>>20048067
>>20048086
it's fucking pulp, it's the equivalent of the avengers franchise for films. easy to consume, characters, narrative and themes catered to mainstream audience which is most likely to pay for it, able to be mass produced while keeping decent quality. i bet if i read them i would enjoy it but i won't

>>20048094
>>20048095
The world feels so empty. All I hear is the world building but each point of view gives us few adjectives to describe things. Actually the only adjectives Sanderson likes to use is racial like if they have dark skin, light skin, blue eyes or brown eyes. The book is trying to make you think about white and brown people the entire book. But this isn't world building. The world is so empty. Like how many books have his fans read?

>>20048090
>Harry potter books even had more of a story arch in each installment.
If anything those might be too self-contained. The seams really show. All the books build on their predecessors, but they rarely prepare for their successors. You can find very clear setup/payoff pairs within a book, but not so much in the series.

what books have the best gilfs?

>>20044505
>how are the Expanse books
Good, gave me closure on the asoif series never ending given how much the exanpse books are inspired by grrm.

>>>>20048175
When people talk about "good worldbuilding" they mean plenty of minutia and rulesets to memorise and argue over. It gives an illusion of learning without the actual effort. There's no other criteria for quality in worldbuilding save popularity.

>>20048286
You've been overly influenced to where you can't see it any other way.

Sanderson derangement syndrome

Name 1 good book.
Impossible mode: no dead old people shit.

>>20048426
R. Scott Bakker - Prince of Nothing #1: The Darkness That Comes Before

>>20048444
He said good

>>20048312
Prove me wrong with examples of "good worldbuilding" which aren't from a popular work.

>reading Stranger in a Strange Land
>really enjoying its exploration of cultural differences and how our limited understanding of the universe shapes our perspective
>suddenly there's a random cutaway gag to heaven showing that there's an afterlife
>then Mike fucks off from all the interesting characters and becomes a carnie
I'm really struggling to pick the book up again, back to back two of the worst fucking decisions I've ever seen a writer make.

>>20048522
Doesn't even Heinlein kinda hate it? It's such a fucking weird book. How do you have a relatively interesting first half with some weirdness that feel like you're just kinda having Heinlein's opinions thrown at you, and then just "anyway carnies and sex cult".

>>20048509
I was unclear. That statement was addressed to
>When people talk about "good worldbuilding" they mean plenty of minutia and rulesets to memorise and argue over. It gives an illusion of learning without the actual effort.
I could well be in the minority. The dominant meanings of words can sometimes be difficult to choose, especially when there are competing definitions.

>There's no other criteria for quality in worldbuilding save popularity.
Popularity = quality isn't something I want to talk about in this context.

>>20048260
Dune, most of the Bene Gesserit are GILFS

>>20048539
Best part is the carnie sex cult is homophobic

>>20048636
>FREE LOVE
>BUT ONLY HETEROSEXUAL LOVE

>>20048452
my mistake, prince of nothing is excellent, not merely good.

>>20048724
You need to read more if you think that series is good

>>20048426
>Name 1 good book.
Although he is an obscure author and rarely talked about here, any book written by Guy Gavriel Kay is superb and underrated. With Tigana being my all-time favorite book followed by The Lions of Al-Rassan. Definitely give any of his books a try.

>every white person in the world is objectively inherently evil
>jews don't count
>every character speaks exactly the same way, even the white ones
>it's a black power fantasy about killing the evil white people and their demons
>4.1/5 on goodreads

>>20048522
>>20048636
It's almost as if Heinlein was part of a societal control operation out of Laurel canyon and not expressing deeply held personal beliefs.

>>20048764
The Blacktongue Thief (2021)

>>20048426
The Blacktongue Thief (2021)

>>20048764
From what I read his books are interesting, why aren’t they talk about here more often?

>>20048943
>why aren’t they talk about here more often?
People here don't read.

>>20048967
Well, I’m buying his books. He deserves more recognition.

>>20048974
>He deserves more recognition
He really does. I've yet to see another author do Historical Fantasy as great as Gavriel Kay.

>>20047365
Malazan

New thread
>>20048986

>>20047964
You seem like a very boring person, Anon.

>>20048981
>>20048974
>>20048967
>>20048943
>>20048764
Stop same fagging. Tigana has been recommended for years. GGK's other books are low fantasy magical realism shit though. They are more historic fiction than fantasy.

>>20049022
How is answering and having a discussion on Tigana samefagging.

>>20042790
What're some good /sffg/ novellas/short stories?

>>20043109
I like Sanderson, but I don't love him. His work is deliberately mass market, and that's fine with me. His characters are solid, believable and relatable, but lack any true inspiration that might make them great. This basically sums up Sanderson in a nutshell. He's not a genius; he's a master craftsman who has honed his skill through decades of genuine dedication and application.

He gets major ups for his prolificity, and ability to mechanically shit out thousands of pages of accessible, entertaining prose, though his work will never approach real genius.

I also like how Stormlight is a morally constructive story. I tired of edgy grimdark nihilistic fantasy a decade ago.

>>20046616
it's a flerkin

>>20049080
I think Kelsier, Hoid and a couple other characters do have some clear inspiration behind them. Vin, Kaladin and his other protagonists are clearly not based on people, they're based on archetypes, but they're well-executed archetypes.

>>20049087
That's interesting that you latched onto Kelsier and not Kaladin. I really liked Kelsier (who didn't) but he certainly seemed like a plot vehicle to me. Too confident and competent to feel real to me.

I really latched onto Kaladin in the first book, though his desire to save everyone always is a bit too archetypal. Like, I can see how Sanderson constructed the character piece by piece.

Hoid is great.

>>20049135
I think it's because Kelsier stood out a lot in Mistborn era 1. Apart from Vin, Kelsier and maybe Ten-Soon, everybody's fairly one-note. Even the Lord Ruler, with all the gravitas he has for the three scenes he's in, doesn't really get any personality until Secret History. I also like that Kelsier is blatantly not a good person, he's just putting on a jovial face while he's almost entirely just running on spite. He's not really a protagonist, but I like how clear it is that his moral compass has been thrown out the window.
Era 2 Mistborn is a lot stronger character-wise overall, though. Wax's casual confidence is very refreshing, Wayne basically being a Simon Pegg character is great, etc.

>>20049166
I only read the first trilogy as I was left satisfied by the conclusion. Second trilogy definitely worth reading, then?

>>20049179
It's actually 4 books, the second era, with the fourth one out soon. It's definitely better paced, and the tone is a bit lighter and more character-focused. Also Wax is 40-something which is a nice change of pace for a protagonist. I'd generally say it's some of Brandon's best action scenes, too. Stormlight gets very anime but he never really describes it in a good anime-ish way (if that makes sense) but Wax and Wayne is Victorian-ish gunslinger stuff, which, combined with the magic stuff being far more present, gives some interesting stuff to work with.

>>20049179
>>20049221
Oh, as an addendum, second era is 300-ish years after the first, so it's more just a new story on Scadrial, and seeing what the state of the world is now.

>>20049221
>Wax and Wayne is Victorian-ish gunslinger stuff
Neat.

My least favorite part of Stormlight is Sanderson referencing stances instead of actually describing the fighting, which is bizarre because I remember Mistborn as having quite lucid action scenes.

>>20049238
Yeah, I think that's him trying to do a Wheel of Time thing and it doesn't really work because the stances aren't super cleanly defined. Only the Kaladin fight scenes really stand out due to the spear-fighting just being "Kaladin is really fucking good with a spear" and his actions are described more definitely. Meanwhile Dalinar and Adolin fighting always feels like "they did Xstance and Ystance and it's some things that do this" and it's just awkward.

How is this series. I'm not liking book one so far, I have skipped many scenes.
I loved Pandora's star and Judas Unchained.
Void was fine but could get boring.
Reality dysfunction had some amazing stuff, but was also very uneven and Jezus Christ at the sex. And he clearly did not think the main antagonist trough.
I dropped the fallers when I realised it was going to be a switcharoo from a sci-fi epic to a dull low tech revolution story. Which is to say very early in the first book.

>>20049006
Sorry I don't wanna read about dysphagia, dysmorphia, or whatever. I like good books.

Name one good book

>>20050474
Moby Dick

>>20050474
clans of the alphane moon