/lit/ - Literature

>>20040990
Jung said pic related except that it was a psychic castration ghost. Can any trannies chime in on this, did you live in a haunted house growing up?

>>20040990
I don’t even understand what the image is trying to convey.

>>20041031
2 perma virgins profoundly misunderstand fetishes

>>20041038
Can you explain?

>>20040990
I like James Pennebaker. He's a social psychologist but very /lit/ in the sense that his specialty is doing data analysis on language, particularly function words.
He also rejects the Freudian idea of 'catharsis' as blowing off steam, and says that catharsis is more about 'connecting emotions and thoughts'. His most famous for his 'expressive writing exercises' where they found that 20 minute free-writing exercises over 4 days about trauma lead to improved health among college students. However there's a lot of weird little insights, for example depressive people are more likley to use first person pronouns because they can't separate themselves from their problems. Poets who have committed suicide fall into this same pattern. Pronouns also reveal who has the power, think of the 'royal we'.
They also found that they could predict in dating environments, better than the couples themselves, how likley they were to get into a relationship based on how well their texting styles 'matched'.
People with better mental health tend to use more third person pronouns in their expressive writing but also tend to use more causative words like 'because': this shows an ability for them to separate themselves form their problems, do look at them more analytically.
Now as I understand it all his research findings are descriptive, he's not saying that if you use more third person pronouns and causative words you're mental health will improve. He's not saying imitate your crush's texting style to improve your chances of a relationship. He's just saying this is what they've observed.

>>20040990
Reich, obviously.

>>20041093
Thanks. I will look into his work. That's mostly what I am interested in, the language-psyche aspect or unconscious communication. The ideas of symbolic order and transference are interesting, I am not familiar with Lacan/Deleuze/Hegel. I tend to avoid the political interpretations, are these authors any helpful for explaining the unconscious?
>>20041001
I think he meant in terms of unconscious ideals or transference. The ideas might only make sense in the context of object relations. I have a vague understanding of Lacan but he posits how the desire/lack of desire interacts with a signifier. Does anyone know if Hegel posits similar ideas? I am not entirely sure who to read. I'm beginning to understand Zizek's interpretations but it is still a clusterfuck

>>20041031
How would you like me to help?

>>20040990
Skinner

>>20041169
>or unconscious communication.
What do you mean by that? Do you mean non-verbal cues and other non-intentional displays of attitude? Or are you speaking about the more Lacanian idea of the 'language of the mind'?
I can't comment on Deleuze and Hegel, I haven't read either.
Lacan I've read a tiny bit and my feeling is: "don't bother". His system is so complicated but so poorly explained, partly because he was literally making it up/discovering it as he was going along, that the amount of effort it would take to understand him would be better spent probably doing your own investigation.
You might also be interested in Julian Jaynes model of the 'Bicameral Mind'. Personally I think it's a load of horseshit. But it's an interesting model to explain the idea of communication from spirits which was by the likes of Freud and Jung reinterpreted as the sub/unconcious mind.
There's also Marvin Minsky's Frame Theory which is related to the idea of schema. He says that all memories and knowledge are represented in our brain as these 'frames' which have 'default terminals' for their properties. When someone says a 'a ball' and you may imagine a bright red ball that fits in the palm of your hand, because in your particular frame the default terminal is 'red' but then the next sentence explains it's in a Soccer game, so the red ball expands and becomes covered in black and white hexagons. This theory of recall and encoding can go along way to explaining unconscious phenomena.

>>20040990
I know what you're getting at OP. I know what you want.

James Gibson. He invented the theory of 'affordance'. It's very different from the traditional ideas of sign and signified in that there's not necessarily an 'intention' behind the sign. If you see a branch on a tree, that offers an affordance for climbing. The possibility of climbing may not have came to you until your observed the presence of that branch.
It's interesting to think about this in terms of say Parkour, where you will see a city in a completely different way compared to a regular person. It also is very important for Industrial Designers to grasp affordances, things like the concave curves of a drink bottle that afford a place to grip, or distinguishing between a push handle and a pull handle.

>>20041250
Peterson bros...

>>20041038
You would breffer buttons?

>>20041093
>>depressive people are more likley to use first person pronouns because they can't separate themselves from their problems. Poets who have committed suicide fall into this same pattern.
interesting

>>20041107
beyond based and orgon-pilled

>>20040990
Lacan is worth reading in order to help recontextualise freud’s work in a linguistic/social dynamic context. The unconscious is not a dream stage, but structured like a language. Therefore what it “says” can be decoded using Oedipus as an interpretive matrix, not in a literal sense of mother-fucking/father-murdering, but as an allegory for navigating desire and social prohibition. For Lacan, the unconscious manifests itself through the stutters, breaks and disruptions of natural speech, and it is these errors that allow the unconscious to “speak”, not the actual content of the words spoken by the analysand with intent. Of course this leads to heavy disagreement from thinkers like Deleuze & Guattari, who insist that the interpretive matrix confines the subject to a repressive framework. But it’s important to read Lacan at the very least to understand the psychiatric context that D&G are so aggressively countering in books like anti-Oedipus.

>>20040990
Milgram is worth looking at for his work on submission to authority.
R. D. Laing is interesting.
Also Anna Freud is the true successor to her fathers work, look at her work on defence mechanisms.

Erich Fromm

>>20040990
>Robert Johnson
>James Hillman
>Marie Louise von Franz
>Robert Moore
>Richard Tarnas
>Stan Grof
>Edward Edinger
>Christine Downing
>Erich Neumann

Yes, B.F Skinner. Thank me later.

>>20041107
>using a stack of books as a door holder
Mega cringe

>>20041053
Freud assumes human sexual development is the process of people wanting to have sex with their mother before eventually settling for other people because their mum wont have sex with them, and in the case of female sexual development, because they have “penis envy”, assuming all young girls want to have a penis so they can have sex with their mothers but because their fathers have penises the then associate sex and eroticism with men, and then much like their male counterparts, settle for the opposite sex because they have access to the equipment of the opposite sex in some capacity. Freud is a hack.

And the tranny is conflating their love of women and lack of success with getting a female partner with wanting to be a woman, attempting to become the thing they can never have as a cope for their lack of success. They “feel” they are becoming a woman not because of any innate change in themselves, but because they don’t think they can score and are justifying it to themselves to hide their shame.

>>20041093
That was an interesting post

>>20041107
this is the guy who says right wing people are sexually repressed

>>20041302
Been a skateboarder for 22 years. Since I started I see cities in movies in a different way. >
Stairs and handrail in the background of a courthouse?
Shit looks skate-able..

>>20040990
Jung you troglodyte

>>20041093
>He's not saying imitate your crush's texting style to improve your chances of a relationship.
Ok, I will imitate my crush's texting style

>>20040990
psychology and psychoanalysis are entirely prescriptive, our minds only act a certain way because we have read Freud and now expect them to. read Wilde "The Decay of Lying." psychoanalysis is just "the man creating the age"

>>20040990
It's clear whoever made this meme reads too much manga.

>>20043711
Castration anxiety? I agree, I just find it humorous

>>20041053
in the late 1800's rich german freaks gave up on god and started worshiping the words of self-declared """jews"""

>be me
>shy guy but mostly okay with myself
>take shrooms
>start to question my masculinity
>feel like I have a secret vagina hidden underneath my cock and balls
>neurotically check my testicles several times per day now
>looking up genetic disorders, ignoring symptoms which don't apply to me and fixating on those that do/might
>mfw

>>20044704
I've felt the same way froggy but without the use of drugs.
Its alright, we all have some connection to the opposite gender in us, our behaviors and emotions exist on a spectrum between the two.
The problem is when you deny the duality of sex and try to become something you aren't.

>>20044704
I thought I was the only one. I got this feeling all the time as a kid but I had no one to talk to or assure me that I was really a man, it really fucked me up.

>>20044704
>feel like I have a secret vagina hidden underneath my cock and balls
The same thing happened to Chris Chan

>>20044704
>have hypochondria or OCD
>the transgender people online use circular logic
>"There's no reason to be ashamed. That's because you were gay to begin with."

>>20044740
>>20044772
>>20044801
>>20044818
Prior to taking shrooms (I did it twice, about a month apart from eachother) I had a terrible experience with weed too. I'd never been a smoker throughout the entirety of university, trying it only one or twice without any problems, until I moved back in with my parents to finish school online due to covid. My little brother is a heavy user and got me into it. Basically I got home from leg day, smoked several large bowls, and then took a hot shower. I began experiencing auditory hallucinations and generalized delusions about my past. For example: I believed that everything surrounding covid wasn't really happening, but was instead something that I'd made up in order to cope with having a botched genital surgery. I had never had any gender identity issues prior to this, nor have I ever had surgery. I even called my mom in a frenzy and interrogated her about lying to me. I accused my brother of trying to medicate me and prevent me from seeing "the truth". I stopped smoking weed for two weeks and played the episode off as nothing. The shrooms followed a few months later. I haven't touched any kind of drug or alcohol in months but these feelings of painful insecurity tug at my guts constantly. I eat healthy and work out several times per week but it doesn't matter. I have no desire to be a woman. I KNOW that I'm a man. I have a perfectly nice, functional cock. It doesn't matter though because I can't debate myself into seeing reason. Suicidal thoughts are a daily occurence now. I can't sleep and I'm wracked by anxiety and self-doubt like never before. I fucking regret being so brazen with drugs. I'm going to try taking 5-HTP as a last resort before breaking down and telling my family about all these issues I'm having. I don't want to permanently ruin my good standing with them but I don't know what else to do. I fucking hate that I did this to myself.

>>20044859
An additional note: a part of me wants to consult my doctor about any potential testosterone/sperm deficiencies or genetic issues (currently I have it in my mind that I could have Klinefelter syndrome, despite having normally-sized testicles and no issues with erections, muscle strength, or bone density). This whole experience has become such a curse on my life. I am not the same person I was before.

>>20044859
>>20044898

freakey deekey

>>20044859
Seek professional help if you haven't already, Anon.

>>20044859
This nigga got high as fuck and freaked out like a pussy. Need to direct your delusions towards greatness.

>>20045028
I thought it would be fun to experience an ego death. I thought I'd talk to "God" or aliens or something, or at least have a good time. Instead I'm looking at medium-term (at least) psychological damage that is gradually consuming my life. I took it too lightly and now I'm paying the price.

>>20043711
>Freud assumes human sexual development is the process of people wanting to have sex with their mother before eventually settling for other people because

Stopped reading there, you didn't read freud.

>>20043907
Please don't become gay.

>>20044859
Fuck, wouldn't want to be in your place. I wish you luck, for real.

>>20045436
Thanks. I'm just going to do what I can to ignore it and hope it goes away over time. I'll stick to healthy habits and refrain from drugs in the future.

>>20043711
>trannie are... LE INCELS
How do you explain widely known cases of sexually successful and masculine men like Bruce Jenner or, say, Contrapoins?

>>20045747
simple he's just a faggot

>>20045769
OMG YOU SAID THE F WORD

>>20042736
Now in Narrative Exposure Therapy they actually ask patients to "externalize" their problems or negative traits. It's no longer "I get too anxious in public" it's not even "my social anxiety won't let me" they might give it a name like 'censor'. "The censor won't let me have a good time in social situations"
It's interesting that this research is reporting that mentally healthy people do a similar distancing organically.
>>20043730
thank you
>>20043907
report back. I want to know if it works.

>>20045747
NTA. That's an interesting question. I preface this by saying I have no trans friends and am only commenting on what I see as a disinterested observer. (i.e. I'm probably wrong, but I'm also unbiased)
As for sexually successful, lots of men who later discovered they were gay managed to land some real qt girlfriends and wives. It's very easy to assume they tried to 'prove' their hetro/masculinity by getting laid as much as possible. Fran Dresser jokes about how her husband of several decades was probably thinking about men while they had sex.
I don't think I need to explain to you "autogynophilia" either.
Now what about 'masculine' men going trans? That's harder to explain: I've never understood why football players with shoulders as wide as I am tall would ever want to transition.
One theory is that they are so roided that it's actually caused their testicles to atrophy and they no longer produce their own testosterone. I think that's bullshit. And I wonder if their hyper-masculinity is in fact an overcompensation for some kind of either latent homosexuality or perceived vulnerability (and they associated vulnerability with femininity). In the same way they overcompensated by going into sports bulking up, they also go hard in the opposite. Long hair, dresses, lipstick.
>masculine men like Bruce Jenner
Bad example. Bruce Jenner was always seen as being somewhat too feminine for the successful athlete he was. If the Mike Tyson or Sylvester Stallone announced they were transitioning, that would be a shock. When Bruce Jenner did kind of like "well that explains that"

>>20045839
>"lesbian" trannies (i.e. 90% of them) are simultaneously incels, gays, gentle men and manly men
Dude, just say they you have no idea what causes it.
>autogynophilia
I don't buy it. 99% of sexual perversions are very private in nature. Perverts don't build their entire personae around feet or whatever. Even exhibitionoists and regular crossdressers are doing their thing in their spare time.

Bahaha, Freud interesting. You must be retarded, op. Which one of his obviously wrong theories interests you most?

>>20040990
Lacan
He has a very large impact on philosophy and psychology.

>>20045747
exceptions dont invalidate the rule anon. you know just as well as everyone else that the vast majority of trannies are not "sexually successful", prior or post transition.

>>20044859
Cannabinoids can cause psychosis in some people, that's partly why I don't advocate for them. A host of mental illnesses could potentially be triggered with that stuff. Unfortunately I had some hallucinations in my teens using marijuana, nothing lasting though (my case was a perceptual disorder, DP/DR or some kind of multiple-episode HPPD)

If you're still experiencing negative symptoms, I would definitely recommend finding a good neurologist or psychologist. I would lean towards the brain-chemistry trained doctors if possible, they can spot abnormalities during MRIs and EEGs. Not every psychologist is familiar with issues like these, but look around if possible anon.

>>20040990
Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson