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>> No.20040659
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>>20040655

>> No.20040663

>>20040655
Fuck their
Sorry english is my second language

>> No.20040670

>>20040663
they're*

>> No.20040696

>>20040655
Why is the cover sexy? Is this a sexy book? Should I reassess and give it another chance?

>> No.20040732

>>20040696
If you're into incest I guess.
Jokes aside he doesnt really write sex scenes but implies them. When Jose Arcardio fucks Pilar Tenera, the walk to her house is described in a pretty sexy way kinda implying what happens when he gets there.

>> No.20040739

>>20040655
I can’t wait to read this

>> No.20040747
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>Issa play not a book nigga
Who cares it’s fucking amazing. Shakespeare’s best work and maybe best work in English

>> No.20040749

beautiful armpits

>> No.20040758

>>20040747
Is it better to read this or watch a performance?

>> No.20040767

>>20040758
Ive only read n listened to audiobook. I do wanna watch a play of it I know they have them on YouTube

>> No.20040772

>>20040732
>If you're into incest I guess.
YES.
>Jokes aside he doesnt really write sex scenes but implies them.
What the hell man you got me all in a bother for nothing. Ah well thanks for the response

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>> No.20040783

>>20040758
Honestly I feel that most Shakespeare plays are best read instead of watched, but read aloud. It's not that it's the necessarily the better medium, and a good performance is better than reading it yourself, but so much pride is taken by actors in the different ways that they can interpret lines and emphasize words that they totally miss the point. It's not
>Life's... BUT a walking... shadow, a POOR player,
>THAT struts AND frets his hour... upON the stage
but that's how you might have a modern Shakespearean actor read it. It becomes meaningless, with emphasis so strangely placed that beautifully written soliloquies are nonsense to the ear.

>> No.20041259

>>20040783
>Life's... BUT a walking... shadow, a POOR player,
>THAT struts AND frets his hour... upON the stage

lol this shit is the worst, making thousands of theater goers think they dont like shakespeare

>> No.20041309

>>20040655
MUCHOS AÑOS DESPUÉS, FRENTE AL PELOTÓN DE FUSILAMIENTO, EL CORONEL AURELIANO BUENDÍA HABÍA DE RECORDER AQUELLA TARDE REMOTA EN QUE SU PADRE LO LLEVÓ A CONOCER EL HIELO

>> No.20041318

Damn cuh I didn’t know there was a penguin print with a tiddy on the cover

>> No.20041383

>>20040655
the pedo, he was based

>> No.20041387

>>20040777
trips

and I agree, lolita is perfect.

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>> No.20041399

>>20040655
You first

>> No.20041411

Is Love in the Time of Cholera worth reading? I've had it on my shelf for a while and I thought I might just go ahead and read it finally.

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>> No.20041419

Stoner for me

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reading this as epic poetry (like Spengler intended) is mind blowing

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>> No.20041699

>>20041696
does this include homoerotic ones

>> No.20041703

>>20041418
Too blurry
>>20041696
That’s marble it’s not the same

>> No.20041714

>>20041679
Post some excerpts please or read it in vocarro

>> No.20041721

>>20041259
>>20040783
In Hamlet Shakespeare actually comments on this in the play in the play, I tried to find the scene on YouTube but funnily enough they are all grotesquely butchered:

HAMLET
Speak the speech, I pray you, as I pronounced it to
you, trippingly on the tongue: but if you mouth it,
as many of your players do, I had as lief the
town-crier spoke my lines. Nor do not saw the air
too much with your hand, thus, but use all gently;
for in the very torrent, tempest, and, as I may say,
the whirlwind of passion, you must acquire and beget
a temperance that may give it smoothness. O, it
offends me to the soul to hear a robustious
periwig-pated fellow tear a passion to tatters, to
very rags, to split the ears of the groundlings, who
for the most part are capable of nothing but
inexplicable dumbshows and noise: I would have such
a fellow whipped for o'erdoing Termagant; it
out-herods Herod: pray you, avoid it.
First Player
I warrant your honour.
HAMLET
Be not too tame neither, but let your own discretion
be your tutor: suit the action to the word, the
word to the action; with this special o'erstep not
the modesty of nature: for any thing so overdone is
from the purpose of playing, whose end, both at the
first and now, was and is, to hold, as 'twere, the
mirror up to nature; to show virtue her own feature,
scorn her own image, and the very age and body of
the time his form and pressure. Now this overdone,
or come tardy off, though it make the unskilful
laugh, cannot but make the judicious grieve; the
censure of the which one must in your allowance
o'erweigh a whole theatre of others. O, there be
players that I have seen play, and heard others
praise, and that highly, not to speak it profanely,
that, neither having the accent of Christians nor
the gait of Christian, pagan, nor man, have so
strutted and bellowed that I have thought some of
nature's journeymen had made men and not made them
well, they imitated humanity so abominably.
First Player
I hope we have reformed that indifferently with us,
sir.
HAMLET
O, reform it altogether. And let those that play
your clowns speak no more than is set down for them;
for there be of them that will themselves laugh, to
set on some quantity of barren spectators to laugh
too; though, in the mean time, some necessary
question of the play be then to be considered:
that's villanous, and shows a most pitiful ambition
in the fool that uses it. Go, make you ready.

>> No.20041729

>>20041714
When Jesus was taken before Pilate, the world of facts and the world of truths were face to face in immediate and implacable hostility. It is a scene appallingly distinct and overwhelming in its symbolism, such as the world’s history had never before and has never since looked at. The discord that lies at the root of all human life from its beginning, in virtue of its very being, of its having both existence and awareness, took here the highest form that can possibly be conceived of human tragedy. In the famous question of the Roman Procurator: “What is truth?” lies the entire meaning of history, the exclusive validity of the deed, the prestige of the State and war and the all-powerfulness of success and the pride of ancestry in an exalted destiny. The silence of Jesus answers this question by that other which is decisive in all things of religion — What is actuality? For Pilate actuality was all; for Him nothing. Were it anything, indeed, pure religiousness could never stand up against history and the powers of history, or sit in judgment on active life; or if it does, it ceases to be religion and is subjected itself to the spirit of history.

>> No.20041732

>>20041729
My kingdom is not of this world. This is the final word which admits of no gloss and on which each must check the course wherein birth and nature have set him. There is no bridge between directional Time and timeless Eternity, between the course of history and the existence of a divine world-order, in the structure of which the word “Providence” or “dispensation” denotes the form of causality. This is the final meaning of the moment in which Jesus and Pilate confronted each other. In the one world, the historical, the Roman caused the Galilean to be crucified — that was his Destiny. In the other world, Rome was cast for perdition and the Cross became the pledge of redemption — that was the “will of God.”

Religion is metaphysic and nothing else — “Credo quia absurdum” — and this metaphysic is not the metaphysic of knowledge, argument, proof (which is mere philosophy of learnedness), but lived and experienced metaphysic — that is, the unthinkable as a certainty, the supernatural as a fact, life as existence in a world that is non-actual, but true. Jesus never lived one moment in any other world but this.

>> No.20041760

>>20041732
The heroic landscape of the Claude Lorrain type is inconceivable without ruins. The English park with its atmospheric suggestion, which supplanted the French about 1750 and abandoned the great perspective idea of the latter in favour of the "Nature" of Addison, Pope and sensibility, introduced into its stock of motives perhaps the most astonishing bizarreric ever perpetrated, the artificial ruin in order to deepen the historical character in the presented landscape.' The Egyptian Culture restored the works of its early period, but it would never have ventured to build ruins as the symbols of the past. Again, it is not the Classical statue, but the Classical torso that we really love. It has had a destiny: something suggestive of the past as past envelops it, and our imagination delights to fill the empty space of missing limbs with the pulse and swing of invisible lines. A good restoration — and the secret charm of endless possibilities is all gone. I venture to maintain that it is only by way of this transposition into the musical that the remains of Classical sculpture can really reach us.

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>>20041699
Goethe wasn’t gay

>>20041703
Philistine

>> No.20041780

>>20041775
>Goethe wasn’t gay
So? He still wrote about Ganymedes and Arab boys..

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>> No.20041849

>>20040655
They say that this book completely filters you if you're white

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Controversial but I do think it belongs here, the hype for it is cooling off. Talk about horrific. It's one of the most vile viscerally disgusting disturbing things I've ever read in my life, I love horror and this was an awful experience I never want to revisit. I had to put it down multiple times. I know plenty of people scoff at it and whatever but I feel like you really have to go in with some negative preconceived notions for that or severely lack empathy. I went in with no idea what it was about and maybe that's why it was so intense.

>> No.20041876

>>20041775
Booba

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>> No.20041890

>>20041309
Clásico.

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>> No.20042198

>>20041721
Seems I'm in good company with my take then. Thanks for the post, I really ought to re-read Hamlet, it's been ages.

>> No.20042235

...... IJ
Animal Farm
Anna Karenina
Crime & Punishment
not Ulysses

>> No.20042243

>>20042235
Are you the guy making the Dubliners threads?

>> No.20042273

>>20041391
Based

>> No.20042304

>>20040732
The part where the first son (forgot his name, it's been a while since I read it) runs off with the gypsy girl is pretty sexy too.

>> No.20042329

>>20040655

I was actualy surpised at how such a mainstream book was this good. Its also quite a page turner. But really all the weird refferences, the many names and structure, I wonder how normies were so pulled by this book whereas with Borges the average normie struggles a lot.

>> No.20042395

>>20042329
It's fun I guess

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>>20040655

>> No.20042470

War and Peace,
Aeneid,
TBK,
Analects.

>> No.20042594

>>20040655
i dropped this halfway in, should i give it another go? the whole war stuff was pretty boring to me

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just a total fuckin' banger start to stop

>> No.20042627

>>20042623
will someone enjoy this if he is not a leftist?

>> No.20042666

>>20042627
and relevant fans of syllogisms alike in for a treat

>> No.20042675

Infinite jest

>> No.20042716

>>20041857

Yeah, really memorable read. I was starting to feel desensitised -- which I think is the point -- then the ending is completely not what I was expecting and I was reeling

>> No.20042847

>>20040732
>the walk to her house is described in a pretty sexy way

Curious. Post excerpt.

>> No.20042904

>>20040655
where are her tits?

>> No.20042924

>>20042904
whereever 3D-gravity commands them to be

>> No.20043071

>>20041760
Cool, ruins present an aire of timelessness, otherworldly was, no rush or worry, building the new industrial modern world, it presents a world long lived in, long triumphed, long inhabited, large stone and marble buildings unattended to, noone cares if you hang out there.

>> No.20043093

>>20042904
Right there sitting right

>> No.20043094

>>20042198
>really ought to re-read Hamlet, it's been ages.
Maybe, but regardless just watch this:

https://youtu.be/tsPPI_7x1dk

>> No.20044422

>>20042198
Yo watch this it's great
>>20043094

>> No.20044822

>>20043094
>>20044422
will do, thanks anons

>> No.20044836

>>20041387
Yeah, people tend to shit on it because le pedo book but it's a genuine masterpiece.

>> No.20044858

>>20042627
It is not really leftist, just often cited for leftist purposes, it really is more the grass is always greener, the bourgeois manager would trade everything for just a day as a miner just as the miners would trade their life for a day as the manager. It really speak more to the personal than the political and using the book to promote ones ideology would fall into what it identifies as the actual problem. It is really a great book.

>> No.20045254

>>20040663
>Sorry english is my second language
It's not as if native speakers never make that mistake

>> No.20045328

>>20040655
>lit board
>cannot into gramer

>> No.20045547

>>20040655
>>20041849
100 years is fantastic. The Buendias were Aryans, btw.

>> No.20045591

>>20040777
this one possibly surpasses the hype

>> No.20045596

>>20045547
They were not Iranians.

>> No.20045650

>>20040747
I read Hamlet recently and enjoyed it much more than I expected. I loved the breadth of themes the play touches on and how well it lends itself to interpretation. I just don't really understand how its garnered the reputation of best English work of all time. Does anyone care to explain what I am missing?

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>> No.20045695

>>20045547
Huh?

>> No.20045722

>>20042627
its not that its leftist, its just that their lives are fucked

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>> No.20045759

>>20042847
https://youtu.be/0RKBzzG0gpQ
Listen to from 1:03:00

>> No.20046054

>>20045671
>"oh no, we're really poor"
the book

>> No.20046070

>>20040655
iberoamerican here
i read this for school in about 2 days and its been years since then and i forgot all about it and it didnt impact me that much
dunno if gringos hype it because its good or because they self hate and read sudaca lit and pretend to like it

>> No.20046403

>>20046070
Being forced to read a book and reading it can change you perception of a book. I generally like most books considered "classics" so maybe I'm easy to please.
Still I've read a lot and this is definitly in my top 5.

>> No.20046486

>>20040655
Incredible book. I remember when I finished and and swore then to never open it again. That book lives in me like a past life.

>> No.20046491

>>20040758
Best watched. The royal shakepeare company in England is great. I saw them in London a few years ago. The Stratford festival in canada is incredible as well. If they play hamlet you should try and see jt.

>> No.20046513

>>20040783
I’ve enlever seen an actor perform it like this. If anything their biggest mistake (i would s’y their biggest compromise as well since it’s a modern auideince) is to read too quickly through the more poetic and thoughtful passages and then emphasize the more plainly spoken parts, so that it can be understood more easily. The modern actor has very interesting decisions to make when performing Shakespeare. How does our modern sensitivity impact our understanding of the words? And what can the actor do to try and reduce that chasm. Or does he even try? Does he try instead to make it palatable and simple? Idk. But I’ve seen hamlet performed a few times and I’ve never seen anyone perform it as poorly as you describe there.

>> No.20046525

>>20041721
Always loved that there existed something very close to a direct and timeless direction from Shakespeare himself in his own work.

>> No.20046535

>>20045671
I thought that tortilla flat was better. East of eden was awful.

>> No.20046544

>>20041849
kek

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>> No.20046824

>>20040655
Fuck yeah magical realism! "Like water for chocolate" is another one I think absolutely lives up to the hype. Probably the most "short and sweet" book I've read.

>> No.20046911

>>20046070
I was forced to read this book back in high school - or so I’ve been told because I don’t remember doing that at all. Anyway, read it a decade later and loved it.
My point is, don’t take your high school literary experiences seriously; they’re far from real.

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>> No.20047526

>>20041775
>Goethe wasn’t gay
source?

>> No.20047792

>>20040696
>>20040732
My favorite part is when the hobo neet Buendia and his aunt who just came out of the bath start licking each other like dogs and meowing while her husband is literally in the next room

>> No.20047816

>>20046824
It’s like 400 pages. Not huge but definitely not short

>> No.20047863

>>20046607
Agreed. This book totally wowed me when I read it, from the start to the very end.

>> No.20048316

>>20047513
I enjoyed Titus Groan but felt it was a rather complete package. It took me ages to get through though since the prose is so purple. Is Gormenghast really worth a read?

>> No.20048351

>>20040655
You first.
That was the book that taught me to not fall for the meme of new world literature.

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>> No.20049603

>>20040696
It's actually hot as shit

>> No.20049640

>>20048316
They are all absolutely worth reading, do you not want to see the confrontation between Titus and Steerpike?

>> No.20049677

>>20042904
Would your upper body look like that laying down? No. That's because that's what tits look like laying down.

>> No.20049772

Holy bible

>> No.20049849

>>20041857
>>20042716
I'm convinced. Reading now. Will post with my thoughts if the thread is still up

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>Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice.

>> No.20049911

>>20047792
yup. i remember finding that part particularly hot. The term "cat howls" was used IIRC

>> No.20049934

>>20049897
>Opening sentence of novel seamlessly references the last and first moments of the character while also establishing tone and voice of story
It's good shit

>> No.20050217

>>20040655
Why don't all book have covers like that? Almost makes me want to read it again

>> No.20050556

>>20041857
sold
will read when I get my e reader back

>> No.20050560

>>20040696
it's vile and for perverts, why do you think it's Bill Clinton's favorite book?

>> No.20050566

>>20042235
midwit-core

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>> No.20051013

>>20050573
this really
i was surprised how well written it is, especially the original
and i read it mostly for the prose and memoires rather than philosophical insights

>> No.20051051

>>20042465
Luke 18:9-14
>9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

>10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

>11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

>12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

>13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

>14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

>> No.20051074

>>20041775
That's a beautiful nubile tit

>> No.20051140

>>20051004
>tfw I've recommended Borges to all my smart friends who sometimes read and none of them ever got past Tlon, Uqbar, Orbitus Tertius.
Man I just want to meet one person irl who likes him as much as I do

>> No.20051172

>>20051140
Tell them to start with circular ruins then keep going forward and close with Tlon etc. It’s a dense story for most people.

>> No.20051198

>>20041411
I just finished it yesterday and highly recommend it. Marquez's lamentations over heartbreak cut through me in a way no book had ever done before.

>> No.20051221

>>20041857
This book was so horrible. I hope for the author's sake that part of the issue was the translation, but I don't think that had any real bearing. It could have been written by a 14 year old.

>> No.20051238

>>20047792
Then Aureliano tells Pilar Tenera and she just laughs because its the same shit his grandfather did

>> No.20051260

>>20051172
This is good advice

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>> No.20051643

>>20046491
>>20045650
>>20044822
This is at least top 5 best shakespeare film, arguably best 1 ever:
https://youtu.be/qjG_Huf7tZw

Look up the Charleton Heston Marc Antony speech if you don't feel like you will ever watch the film

>> No.20051828

>>20051643
>>20044422
>>20044822
The Hamlet film, starts off a bit awkward and slow, I don't approve of the music maybe 20 percent of the time or so, it's a bit too chincey Hollywood of the 30s 40s romantic swelling strings and horns every which way, may have been better some more period appropriate styles of music Ophelia is Olivia d halaund I believe and she's a total babe, over acts a bit, I would like to see her okay it not so childishly and oh shucks golly gee boy o boy, as was common woman acting style of that age, her being a bit more restrained and less hysterical could have been nice.

Early on the actors in general seemed to be a bit stiff, afraid of the moment, too in their heads about not only performing thee great Shakespeare but being on film, and the worst offences at all, failing to absolutely clearly pronounce every single word, multiple times also due to side range of audio, I am staining my hearing to make out a word, it's hard enough to follow Shakespeare I don't need this added hurdle, this ruining of his creation, in the form of harmful destruction.

But the film does pick up, they speak clearer, more energy, the density of idea to aesthetically brilliantly relayed ratio occurs.

Julius Ceaser is great, love the time and pacing and the color of film.

>> No.20051854

>>20049640
Well last I read Titus was still a baby, but I am very interested in more Steerpike. He's a really interesting character.

>> No.20052204

>>20040696
yeah, very sexy. at one point some kid's aunt is cuddling him and gives him a handjob, it rules

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It's like ree.he larger picturading 5 books, 2000 stories, without ever losing track of t

>> No.20052551

I have to admit the vast majority of books that have been hyped by lit (and are not pomo) have been worth the hype. It's very difficult in my experience to read a even moderately known work from over 100 years ago and not get anything out of it whatsoever. All the relevant authors have survived and have proved their worth--the ones that were famous in their own time but are NOT really hyped by lit are invariably the ones that have deserved their gradual slide into obscurity, like Robert Southey or Walter Scott to just name two. So thank you guys for acting as a natural filter, and even recommending the odd hidden gem along the way. I think the hivemind has actually worked better here than most people give it credit for.

>> No.20053390

>>20040655
It's sanskrit

>> No.20053427

>>20040758
These days it is better to read it, because the none of the performances get it right. Hamlet is a fat (every single director/casting agent ignores the line about him being fat and out of shape at the beginning of the duel) proto-based-boy-NEET, at least half-mad. Think of him as basically being Ignatius Reilly, and everything that doesn't make sense in the play suddenly does.

But because it's 'such a great dramatic role', we never see stagings where the mad prince is actually mad; instead he is always sane and cunning and calculating in a way that the character as written really is not. Go back 75+ years and portrayals of Hamlet as actually mad were not uncommon, but today they are nonexistent.

>> No.20053438

>>20044822
>>20051828
I forgot that film or Hamlet doesn't have one of my favorite scenes, when they are reciting fun and over the top performative poetry: go to 1:06:00
https://youtu.be/vABGEzB7T9M

>> No.20053441

>>20046513
>The modern actor has very interesting decisions to make when performing Shakespeare. How does our modern sensitivity impact our understanding of the words? And what can the actor do to try and reduce that chasm. Or does he even try? Does he try instead to make it palatable and simple? Idk.
Highly recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbpjdogcml4&t=3s

>> No.20053548

>>20040758
Only watch a performance if you know beforehand that they aren't taking the text too seriously. Hamlet only works as a comedy

>> No.20054047

>>20051605
this series was kinda fucked for being YA

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Maybe even better considering the contrarianism that surrounds it

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>>20040747
This. Hamlet is fucking amazing.
>>20040758
Chad Hamlet Strat:
Read, and after each Act watch Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet until you catch up

>> No.20054843

>>20052551
Honestly this. I forget how privaleged we are to have such a wealth of good literature at our disposal.

>> No.20055110

>>20052551
I agree. /lit/ recs have hit far more than missed for me, and I've been browsing this board for a decade now. It's been through a lot of phases but overall the quality now is probably as good as it's ever been

>> No.20055152

Es inútil leer Cien Años de Soledad sin conocer la historia de Colombia.

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>> No.20055482

>>20042434
just finished this it was incredible. deserves more hype.

>> No.20055525

>>20054517
it's fucking incredible. i found myself wanting to reread it before i even finished reading it. reading Against the Day now and it might even be better in some regards - it seems in some historical respects to be a prequel to GR.

>> No.20056032

>>20055482
How does it stack up to his other works? I've read White Noise, Point Omega and Mao II and didn't really love any of them. What did you like about Underworld? Did it have any weak points in your estimation?

>> No.20056190

>>20055152
Colombia es bastante parecido al resto de Latinoamérica, igual.

>> No.20056266

>>20040696
>Is this a sexy book?
Yes, absolutely.
>Should I reassess and give it another chance?
Yep.

>> No.20056325

>>20040747
Why didn't you read it in highschool?

>> No.20056486

>>20055482
>>20056032
i've never read delilo but heard good things. what can i expect? lots of dark comedy/satire?

>> No.20056511

>>20041418
This book would have enjoyable BUT for the hype. It's more entertaining than your average contemporary Eurotrash novel, and I'd enjoy a 2nd reading of it. But I've no idea why people try to meme it into the mainstream. Oh yeah I know, it's intellectual giant Kurt Kobain's favorite book.

>>20041775
Does this live up to Harold Bloom's hype, specifically?

>> No.20056564

>>20051004
>>20051140
>>20051172

Sólo a los arg*ntinos les gusta Borges. Él tipo no tenía talento, y sólo fué famoso porque el resto de los argentinos tiene aún menos talento...

>> No.20056781

>>20040777
Checked

>> No.20056788

>>20041837
Yeah I read this recently and was surprised how funny it actually is, I always assumed it was pure reddit

>> No.20056789

>>20056032
>>20056486

Outside of Underworld I have read White Noise and Libra. I would sort of agree with you in that I don't *love* DeLillo, although I think hes really good and an original American writer His prose, in my estimation, is excellent: very fluid, very breezy reading, but I don't find myself getting obsessed with him the way I have over other authors like Pynchon, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Hamsun and some others that I really like. Underworld has some amazingly poignant scenes and the sweep of it is quite impressive, although for weak points I'd say it sometimes feels like it barely hangs together, the scale is quite ambitious and sort of feels more like a collection of short stories than a unified novel.

>> No.20056803

>>20040655
Based but that cover sucks ass. Glad I got a good copy secondhand.

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>>20056803
I had this cover, which is good and I like the scene but maybe not emblematic of the novel

>> No.20056829

>>20056819
That's the one I picked up, actually. I like it a lot.

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>>20056829
It looks a little too pure to me, I just looked through other covers and most capture the messy and jungle atmosphere of the book better

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>>20056829
>>20056849
And this

>> No.20056874

>>20056789
My experience with Delilo is similar. His works are readable, at times beautiful, and there's always a smattering of interesting ideas. But his works have always felt like they lack an intellectual/spiritual core. I enjoyed Mao II and White Noise but I can't remember any real takeaways from either. Like a breezy, intellectualized meditation on... (???)

Am I being obtuse? What was White Noise about?

>> No.20056887

>>20041391
whats this about/why should I read it?

>> No.20056928

>>20056874
I would say it was a kind of "meditation" to use your word on something like the blandness of modern consumerist life and he terror of being subject to complex systems over which we have no control. The idle time that arises from of a lack of any kind of real struggle for existence combined with the total impotence to influence the artificial high-tech living environment create an intense focus on (and fear of) death. I mean, pretty spot on.

>> No.20056973

>>20056928
ngl i really want to read white noise now

>> No.20056975

>>20056789
what's good about Pynchon?

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>>20056975
I like the dizzying worlds, the humor, the little bits of bizarre sex acts every now and then, and the intense anti-tech anti-capitalist themes in his work, but I can understand its not for everyone. It requires effort on the readers part (note taking, looking things up, rereading) and if you're not really enjoying it, it could feel tiresome. (Pic related from is an excerpt from GR about WW2).

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>>20056928
Lucid way of putting it. It's been a very long time since I've read it, but I suppose my problem with Delilo is that he only poses the questions, but never really develops the ideas.

>Corporate marketing has shaped out language...
>Death will always invade our tidy, sanitized first-world lives
>There's an overwhelming amount of sensory data at the grocery store

These are all points that are cogent, but they make me want to say "ok...AND?" It's like a laundry list of first steps towards an intellectual position, but it never builds to anything. Like Brian Eno's "Music for Airports" in prose form.

I overall like Delilo, but found every single book of his I've read frustrating. I'm just trying to articulate to you/myself why.

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Almost finished with volume two

>> No.20057133

>>20057076
I felt that Underworld was somewhat more "conclusive" in that respect, but it still has a lot of that element you describe of feeling unresolved. It is a very crisp and well developed picture of American life across several interlinked characters and events spanning ~1950-2000 (with, however *much* greater depth of feeling than White Noise -- it is a genuinely sad, emotionally brilliant book) but you might still feel yourself saying "ok AND?" by the end.

I guess he just doesn't have answers to some of the dilemmas he poses. I honestly prefer that to phony answers though. He is clearly deeply concerned with the hyper-technological world and creeping environmental destruction (the processing of garbage, ultra modern landfills and novel waste processing techniques are one of several themes). He does a good job weaving these issues into the lives of relatable, sympathetic characters. Perhaps as a footnote you should pick up "Industrial Society and It's Future" ;)

Libra on the other hand is a nearly perfect suspense/thriller/historical fiction novel. It is an incredible use of DeLillos specific gifts and if you're even remotely interested in the Kennedy assassination it's a must read.

>> No.20057141

>>20057079
Volume 2 is amazing. I've only read 1 and 2 so far but I think overall 2 was even better than 1. Once the "little group" of Albertine and friends are introduced, especially when they first appear and he is enjoying them at a distance, his way of describing their teeming bubbling life out on the boardwalk is just incredible.

>> No.20057158

>>20057133
Nice. Thanks for the chat. I think I'll read both, eventually.

>> No.20057439

>>20057158
Enjoy!

>> No.20057467

>>20049934
That's not his last moments though, he finally doesn't get executed.

>> No.20057473

A Canticle for Leibowitz

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>> No.20057478

>>20056887
it's about making love to a little boy and his cute butt

>> No.20058038

>>20045547
They were Spaniard descendants if I recall correctly.

>> No.20058043

>>20055152
¿El tema fundacional, las guerras civiles o lo de las empresas bananeras/cafeteras?

>> No.20058416

>>20055482
>harold bloom says this is the best book in the 20th century behind blood meridian
How much more hype do you need?

>> No.20058418

>>20046535
>East of eden was awful.
Absolute trash taste.
EoE was his best work, even he thought so.

>> No.20059743

>>20051140
It's one of his meatiest but also toughest stories, and it's right at the beginning of the book lol
It's a great filter

>> No.20059753

>>20052219
Nigga wtf were you trying to say

>> No.20059759

>>20042243
No I haven't read that yet

>> No.20059939

>>20056564
Mejicano hijo de puta, hay departamentos universitarios dedicados a Borges del otro lado del muro (que a tu familia tanto le gusta saltar), en europa y en china.
No mexicant will ever come close to chadges

>> No.20060019

>>20059939
ONIONS ARG*NTINO BOLU

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>> No.20060710

>>20060019
you're fooling no one, jose

>> No.20060831

Slaughterhouse five

>> No.20060913

>>20051605
>FOOTA

>> No.20060927

>>20056975
A lot of people recommend The Crying of Lot 49. It's excellent, but I didn't enjoy it as much as Mason & Dixon. The latter has a higher barrier to entry, being written in (what I presume to be) a higher mid-18th century English. The stars are so close.

>> No.20061252

>>20056564
Patently false lmao
You're allowed to dislike him without being this retarded

>> No.20062003

>>20050556
do people actually use e readers?

>> No.20062018

>>20062003
What do you actually mean? Obviously they do

>> No.20062611

>>20040655
remarkable good book, think rabbit oddessy, but not some anthorpomorphic trash, where them being rabbits actually adds to the story. It isn't shy about violence or death either, which makes a massive difference for a lot of the better scenes.

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>>20062611
fucking forgot to add the image

>> No.20062699

>>20051221
not everything is about prose anon, but yeah the style was garbage. even though I found it horrifying and disturbing the ambiguous language "she walked over to him (in a room of three people with no reference to which he) was confusing as fuck multiple times. It happened enough times that it made me think that sort or removed language was a choice but even then it was a bad choice, even if it fits with the tone/themes.

>> No.20062703

>>20055176
No this is severely overrated.

>> No.20062710

>>20057467
Oh yea lol. I forgot he lived through that and died peeing

>> No.20062766

>>20049849
It was decent. Definitely agree with
>>20062699 about the use of 'he'. I was desensitized pretty quickly, so it didn't hit me very hard on that level. I was most interested in what it was saying about mankind as an animal. The passage about his sister only having kids because she was supposed to felt very much like the underlying theme of the book, that people do what they're told and what they're supposed according to their biology, even if it means persisting in a horrible world. I think the ending was an interesting mirror of that passage. Overall though it didn't rock my world

>> No.20062904

>>20040659
>/lit/ is a slow board!Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own.