/lit/ - Literature

>three semesters of Akkadian
>two semesters of Sumerian
>one semester of Egyptian

>>20001187
Why is ancient Egyptian stuff so amazing bros?

>>20001187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEXbnMOscZM
Thread theme

>>20001269
relatively isolated cultures are just cool in general, having unique cultural phenomena
egypt being a large, stable culture and a cradle of civilization makes them even cooler

>>20001285
kys

there's now three threads already, who the fuck opened the new one when the last was still around 250 replies?

>>20001358
fuck it, let's just ignore the illegitimate thread since it was created so early and never promoted in the previous one.

>>20001217
I thought akkadians and sumerians were the same thing

>>20001402
they're distinct peoples and the languages are distinct, but they lived together from very early on and the two languages are a sprachbund, so much so that they both have SOV
the peoples of southern mesopotamia became babylonians after the amorite came into mesopotamia and gained power and the first dynasty

>>20001269
Their writing system is even more amazing. Looks like an autistic neography. I cannot stop learning it, and I still don’t even know how to use adjectives.

>>20001392
Come to this based thread. >>19993065
I would happily let fellators of the bald man fail at being able to read real Latin, but in the process, they shit up these general threads. Fuck 'em. Join the truly legitimate thread.

>>20001597
Jesu Christ, fighting to have a thread which reachs bumplimit. Pathetic.

I'm going to learn Latin with the RANIERI method and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>20001691
>X denarii have been deposited in your saccus

>>20001718
me gusta

>>20001691
I seriously hope you are using the Ranieri pronunciation.

Ban Ranieri posters (both haters and lovers)

>>20001597
Vir iratus quia euis caput non capillus habent.

Latin nggas be like "vir" while cellts just say viros

>>20001836
>>20001597
Ranieri gives solid advice. Seethe.

>>20001974
No he doesn't
Isti viros borbos

>>20002054
>borbos
???

>>20002067
Borbos barbarus
Viros vir
Isti est

>>20002149
Gratias ago

For Latin, do I go with Shelmerdine or Wheelock? What's the difference between the two?

bump

>>20001187
Is From Alpha To Omega a good greek textbook bros?

>>20003269
It is decent but not great. Groton buries a lot of important information in footnotes and one-line mentions deep in paragraphs. It's what i used in college and did the job but looking back there are others that would have been better. Mastronarde's Introduction to Attic Greek is much better overall though it also suffers from the lack of example sentences and readings.

An exercise for /clg/
This is Martial 1.18. Post your translations and see how they compare with those of others.

>>20003308
Why does it please you, Tucca, to mix old Falernum and unfermented must grown in the Vatican hill in a jar?
What good to you is it to make such bad wine?
Or what ill can good wines do?
From us it is simple, it is a sin to butcher Falernum
and to give to Campania toxic, savage, wines.
Maybe your party guests deserve to perish:
Such an expensive amphora doesn't deserve to die

Sick burn for serving shitty wine.

>>20003269
I like it. Wheelock worked for me so I wanted a similar approach, and it definitely delivers on that. But just like the other anon said, make sure you read the little notes. Be careful about the supplemental exercises book though, there are some mistakes in there.

I have also had the pleasure of knowing Groton IRL, and she's a pretty awesome person who's student-focused and, unlike so many modern "muh power structure" academics, truly believes in the beauty and value of ancient Greek and Latin. So if the character of the person who wrote it happens to be a consideration for you, I can give it a glowing recommendation on that front.

Can someone explain how diphthongs and hiati works in Latin? They seem to follow opposed rules to which are encountered in Romance languages.
I'm an Italian and Spanish speakers, and while I'm able to pronounce ae or oe as a diphthong, for me is practically impossible to pronounce io in two separates syllables (it's always a diphthong in Spanish and Italian unless the word's accents falls on the first vowel).

>>20003520
>speakers
speaker, I'm still not that crazy

>>20003520
There are only 6 regular diphthongs in Latin
>ae, au, ei, eu, oe, ui
though ui is only a diphthong in a few regular words, e.g. huic
All other vowel combinations are usually separately pronounced.
>actio
>ac-ti-o

>https://mega.nz/folder/9o4QEIIK#P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg
Torrent where?

>>19999999

>>20003557
>All other vowel combinations are usually separately pronounced.
>actio
>ac-ti-o
That's the issue, for an Italian or a Spaniard is almost impossible and totally unnatural to pronounce io in two separates syllables.
I don't even can imagine how is it possible to pronounce them in two distinct syllables while speaking fluently.
In my languages, a closed vowel (i, u) + an open vowel (a, e, o) will be always a diphthong unless the closed vowel is accentuated and pronounced in the first place.

>>20003575
>in the first place
I mean in the first position of the diphthong, like in ío, úe etc.

>>20003575
just something you'll have to get used to. Not sure what you're looking for. Languages have different rules.

>>20002656
Bump.

>>20002656
>Shelmerdine
Use Wheelock, I've never heard of the other book. Just make sure you get some supplementary reading material.

>>20003056
Not exactly, they both mean the same idea, but only one is actually used for The Prophet. I didn't want to offend actual Muslims by blasphemy, but I guess I might as well go all in. Forgive me Muslim bros.

>>20003999
Whoa, that's way too small.

>>20003520
How do pronounce the Spanish word ión?

Bump.

>>20005328
>bumping a thread when there's another thread up
retard

What's the most under-appreciated classical language?

>>20006476
Akkadian

>>20001187

I remember from college some obese retard learning ancient Chinese. Made me laugh. He was obese, had a retard face, and wore super cheap clothes. Like a white tee from walmart you would wear at home if cleaning or wall painting

>>20006605
that obese retard is probably reading Zhuangzi right now

>>20006625

He came from a super low caste family most likely. In America, especially in the midwest and in the south, there are entire families of obese IQ 80 tier genetic slime and once in a while one of the kids comes out normal, or is ugly but with normal or high intelligence. Like that poor obese retard who never developed any social skills because of his retard caste status. I am of the opinion that retards shouldn't be allowed to reproduce with one another but that is of course seen as extreme and immoral

>>20006484
A ton of people at my college are taking akkadian

>>20006476
Relative to its historical importance probably Classical Chinese, at least in the West. A lot of people don't even seem to realize it's a different language than Mandarin.

>>20006729
Which college? I wish I could take Akkadian.

>>20005420
That OP created the thread when the previous /clg/ was still far away from bumplimit. He (you) is the true retarded.

>>20007964
Ah, yes. But is a /clg/ dominated by shit slinging LLPSI devotees who don't know any Latin a real /clg/ thread? I would say that it isn't. Therefore, OP of the usurper thread was justified in his usurpation.

How easy is Akkadian grammar? If I learned it without caring about autistic cuneiform system, how long would I take to acquire a decent level in it?

>>20008432
Then he should instead warn and feedback LLPSI retardeds in the original /clg/ thread, not make another one for absolutely no acceptable reason but tantrum. This must be a comfy thread; everyone must be welcome.

>>20008447
>he should have instead warned and feedbacked
>not made
Sorry for my bad England.

>>20006605
he reads chinese
you masturabate to a bald mans' head

>>20001402
Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian are all very close to eachother. Compare the locations of the Sumerian city of Ur to the Akkadian Akkad, to the Babylonian Babylon. the three civilizations together are called 'mesopotamia' and share a lot of culture, but they are all different empires.

the main difference is in the language. Sumerian is its own weird language similar to finnish, its not related to any other european or semitic language. Akkadian and Babylonian are very similar and both semitic languages, so also very similar in its words to hebrew, arabic, egyptian, and modern day iranian.

>>20008605
Akkadian and Babylonian are dialects of Assyrian.

>>20008605
>>20008609
What I meant to say was that Assyrian and Babylonian are dialects of Akkadian. Sorry, up late and sleepy.

>>20008609
yea youre right, shouldve added that

>>20008613
>>20008615
oop also read that wrong

>>20008609
This is a joke, right? IIRC, Babylonian is a completely isolated language.

>>20008605
>>20008609
>>20008613
>>20008615
>>20008620
useless language

>>20008662
>/clg/

>>20006729
>a ton
really?
>>20008435
everything besides the verbal system is fairly simple, but the verbal system is very complex
>>20008605
>Akkadian and Babylonian are very similar and both semitic languages
they're the same language
>>20008657
nope, that's Sumerian
Babylonian (the southern dialect of Akkadian) is an East Semitic language, most closely related to stuff like Eblaite
>>20008662
>being able to read the first lingua franca of world history is useless

>>20008453
Your England is still bad.
>Everyone must be welcome
What are you, a refugee living in Germany? This is 4chan. Normies and fags are not welcome.

>>20009121
>Your England is still bad.
What’s wrong?

>>20006476
Probably Arabic. I mean it's hardly ever discussed around here, I guess because of association with Islam, but it has a massive corpus and was the Latin of MENA and south/central Asia for over a millenium. Plus it's so satisfyingly close to proto-Semitic.