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19986742 No.19986742 [Reply] [Original]

>computer: generate bayreuth, wahnfried villa ca 1879, deactivate all safety protocols.

>...what barbarians we are! It was only the ancient world which brought forth truly great men; in comparison, all that is really effective is Christ and the Sermon on the Mount, the denial of the world; in the acceptance of the world only the Greeks are great. Astonishment at the long life span of the Greek spirit: 600 years later Plutarch still speaking as if he were living at the same time 'as Socrates —and how do we regard Wolfram von Eschenbach?

>mh, splendid observation, Richard.

>> No.19986861
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>>19986742
>Oh really, Dickie, what passage from Plutarch suggests he considered himself contemporary with Socrates? Or are you speaking in vague anachronistic generalities again?

>> No.19987007

You can find videos of Wagner's pianos too, but check what this Liszt piano sounded like, helped by beyond superb playing as well of course
https://youtu.be/s5XJWgZPYn4

>> No.19987015

paganfilos are so annoying, Just go sacrficie a ram and get fucked in the butt, there your "religion"

>> No.19987048

>>19986742
:54...2:54...4:30
Check out the conductors inspiring soul at those moments, listen whole thing through if you have the time and taste of course:
https://youtu.be/nkOiKy6sXfM

>> No.19987336

>>19987048
You better watch this

>> No.19987359

>>19986742
kino

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>>19987048
>Solti conducting

>> No.19987443

>>19987015
do you even have reading comprehension, ESL subhuman?

>> No.19987456

Did Wagner actually say that? Pretty based.

>> No.19987536

Everyone truly initiated knows to praise the ancient egyptians from who the greeks stole ll their lore and wisdom from. I for one find the ISIS Cult far more profound as did the world with the cult outlasting even any greek gods’ worship and even replaced them in their own homeland.
It’s a shame when short sighted people praise the first thing, greeks, that is deemed worthy.

>> No.19987557

man fuck Mexico, these times are so shit

>> No.19987569

>>19987536
Absolute nonsense. The near eastern neighbours of the Greeks subordinated wisdom to myth, ritual, religion, and superstition. Only the Greeks cultivated a spirit of relentless, rational questioning and created self-conscious methodologies concerning the nature of inquiry itself.

>> No.19987598

>>19987007
Wagner had the most advanced piano at the time because he was friends with Steinway.

>R. writes to Herr Steinway to say that in no art form—neither in painting nor in architecture, scarcely even in music—has there been such perceptible progress as in the construction of pianofortes.

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>>19986742
>universal suicide is... LE GOOD

>> No.19988305

>>19986742
what is that Apu from?
Some movie or something?

>> No.19988415

>>19987569
But you have to give it to the Egyptians for some of their style, pomp,extravagance, festiveness, grandeur, decadence, oppulance, animationosity of mythos, convulution imagination of story telling/art. The Greek spirit is more of democratic, you see that anon you are responding to says, truly initiated, implying his preference for exclusivity, hermeticism, secrecy, elite pyrimidal point tip transcendent shadow realm hierarchy, that the great pyramids and burial tombs and dynastic palaces are greater than the Greek Lego temples, is all one needs to know and judge by, apparently according to them. The Greeks may be good for the masses to gain a few smart points, the Egyptians may be good for rulers to motivate and empire

>> No.19988436

>>19987536
The reason the ancient Hellenes are so praised is not only because of the philosophers that race produced, but due to the sublime heroic and olympian spirit they had.

>> No.19988552

>>19986742
i like Wagner and the Greeks too but Wagnerians enjoy being high on Wagner's farts more than they actually care about the Greeks or music

>> No.19988731

>>19988288
>universal suicide is... LE BAD

>> No.19988816

>>19987536
Cult worship can be comfy, embracing ignorance to a degree, embracing mystery to a degree, dispelling ignorance and mystery by broad symbolic myth, but the most important aspect, clearing ones mind and soul of existential dread and doubt, endless curiosity and worry, and partaking in soothing and trancendant, inspiring and exctatic pomp and ritual, spectacle, marvel, of a holy and sacred zeal, a total art, a complete essential experience, an enrapturing circumstance, an enveloping inside and outside worldview, the power of subjects together uniting to form a subjective solipsism, to experience profundity, grandeur, elevation, and beauty, to condition the body and soul for higher thoughts and purposes, to be ever on an upward trajectory, of spiritual satisfaction, spiritual satisfaction being, being a complex wondrous beautiful whole in harmony with the complex wondrous beautiful harmonious whole of the cosmos.

>> No.19989855

>>19988415
this anon gets it.

/lit/ is a nilean board.

>> No.19990443

>>19988288
>>19988731
It's not about it being good or bad, it's about accepting fate and embraces the contradiction of morality in necessity as found in Greek tragedy. Agamemnon 'puts on the yoke of necessity', is both passive and active, simultaneously responsible and innocent, victor and victim. Except the following is the resolution and not the instigation of the trouble.

>The development of the whole poem sets forth the necessity of recognising and yielding to the change, the many-sidedness, the multiplicity, the eternal renewing of reality and of life. Wotan rises to the tragic height of willing his own destruction. This is the lesson that we have to learn from the history of mankind: to will what necessity imposes, and ourselves to bring it about.

>> No.19990456

>>19987536
>from who [...] from
opinion |---> trash

>> No.19991048

>>19986861
Literally who?