/lit/ - Literature

>>19981707
why is his head on a stick?

>>19981712
its a reference to jesus

>>19981707
Plato was dumb when it came to music

>>19981729
he was literally one of the only people on earth that understood basic music theory

>>19981720
Please don't take the Lord's name in vain.

>>19981707
Turns out Plato was right (Including poetics)

you just got filtered, he followed his logic to its logical conclusion concerning that topic.

>>19981707
No. He was right about everything. All arts should be subordinate to the civil society. They are only tools after all.

>>19981792
But I don’t think censorship in art is okay

>>19981707
Plato was right about everything

>>19981799
One could argue any type of art could fit that description to someone.

>>19981807
That's just in the Republic, where he throws out political ideas.

He didn't actually believe in censoring Homer and poets as can be seen in his other dialogues.

>>19982039
Plato was a moralist. He didn't intend to ban poets indeed and really praised some of them, but he did think they made ''mistakes'' and were inferior to his philistine, rationalistic speculations.

>>19982039
He also didnt believe in not cesoring them either. thats the great part, he follow a throughline to its conclusion, wether that throughline is right or wrong is immaterial and maybe even detrimental to pin down one way or the other.

>>19981807
Why not?

>>19981707
Do physics debunk or prove Platonism

>>19983322
neither really.

>>19981712
It's not actually his head. It's a stone carved into that shape. It's a copy of the shape of his head which in turn is just a copy of the ideal form of his head.

>>19982126
This is just in the Republic, as I already said. Even a dialogue which we propose is written around the same time, the Phaedrus, explicitly contradicts these political ideas (and shows what Plato's thinking really is, as far from a philistine rationale as possible). Ultimately he believed a divinely inspired poet like Homer was beyond the lesser wisdom of clear thought.

He's just putting some political ideas in the Republic irrespective of whether they're ultimately true or not, and it has furthered Western political discourse because of it.

>>19983376
>which in turn is just a copy of the ideal form of his head.
Which is his soul.

>>19983320
Cause I said so. Idk that’s the best argument I got

>>19981707
No, he was wrong about a lot of things, e.g. the neurosciences disprove his theory of recollection and his cosmological model was debunked by physics

>>19983398
>and it has furthered Western political discourse because of it
never understood this meme
how exactly did the republic exert its influence on the political discourse?

Socrates’s musings on poetics actually makes perfect sense to me, after reading the republic I immediately realized that I allowed myself to be miserable for years by pining for the romantic love that you see in movies, or getting depressed after listening to some hyper produced alternative rock or some shit. Keep artists on a fucking leash

>>19981707
Platos philosophy of forms is peak retard.
Nietzsche blows Plato out of the water in every regard.
Forms = Christianity for retards.

The Greeks laid the groundwork for this retard clown world you see today.

>>19984224
Because it's literally the first work of written political philosophy, all later political theorisers, just take 17th century monarchists, are working in a frame developed by Plato and often replying to his ideas as well, or replying to someone who replied to his ideas or so on.

Like so much of Greece, it sets up a classical image of politics. The very basis of larger understandings.

>>19986103
Actually quite the opposite. Retard clown world is the end result of nominalism, the rejection of universals.

>>19986103
>Neithzchean can only speak in memes
Of course.

>>19986180
What are the ten things?

>>19986180
Not true my friend. The platonic ideals is what let us into this current clown world.
Platonic forms is what led to Christianity and Christianity is what led to anti-Western sentiments. Anti-Western sentiments led to anti-white sentiments, which is what let us to this upside down world we are currently living in.
Everything is just simply as it appears. The philosophy of forms makes absolutely no fucking sense. If you can even slightly believe it that’s a good sign that you’re going into schizophrenic territory.
The entire western world was built on a lie, even if it was meant to tell the truth.

>>19981729
he thought everyone should study it to soften their souls, what do you mean anon

>>19986274
You are a nominalist and an anti-Christian. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. You don't even understand how your own worldview is self-refuting. You cannot even account for what truth is, and yet you try to tell me what is true and what isn't.

>>19986274
Do you support trannyism? Do you not see how trannyism is inherently nominalistic? They assume (wrongly) that there is no universal essence to the genders and that a person can just choose to be whatever gender they want because it's all arbitrary.