/lit/ - Literature

too based you flew too close to the sun OP

>>19976042
guys i wanna make a 2 hour long video essay about attack on titan coinciding with the finale, analysing it from a superhistorical evolian perspective. How good are my chances of becoming a professional youtube freeloading and raking in those patreon bux?

>>19976125
50:1

>>19976042
what the fuck why would you wipe the OP

>>19976162
>>19965742

>>19976162
Probably because some fag has been bitching in the past few threads.
>I don't like [insert whatever] and you should change it no I won't change it I'm going to keep bitching about it instead.
Now in this thread OP knocked over the board.

>What do you think is essential reading for those who aspire to be a writer?
Certainly not memeshit like Story genius. List of books that aren't total shit to follow (with reddit spacing for readability):

For General Writing
>The Art of Fiction, Gardner
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft (3rd Edition)
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges
A lot of these are somewhat redundant. Anyone who reads around 3 will not need to read the rest. Would be best to filter them down to the top 3-5.

For Poetry (to be fair I don't write poetry so someone probably has better opinions than me)
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

For learning how not to shit the bed
>What Editors Do
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Books analyzing literature
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
There are a billion more of these but these ones are decent.

Keep the sections on manuscript publishing, but also include a section on what sites can be self published to with a short description of each and what content does best on them. Ex:
>https://www.royalroad.com/ For LitRPG/Fantasy/Light Webfiction
> https://www.wattpad.com/ For Romance and other female-centric genres
etc.
Also I'm not the guy who complained but really, what the fuck were some of those books doing in the OP? The gap in general quality was astounding.

>>19976207
Thank you, anon. If I get to post the next OP (I always use anime images) I'll include these.

>>19976216
Don't do it verbatim obviously, and I'm going to assume that other people will talk some shit on my opinions so take theirs seriously as well.

>>19976216
dont forget the /wg/ author and anonymous flash fiction pastebin
https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

There‘s nothing you should read on writing. Writing shouldn‘t be done with one‘s brain, it should be done with one‘s soul and crotch.

>>19976207
>Gardner
no

>>19975969
It's possible.
I always found the slice of life filler of DBZ to be the best part of the series but people only talk as if it's only okay to like them ironically.

>>19976042
how do you write emotional dialogue/interactions as an autist who has no social life?

>>19976273
Imagine how you'd want them to be. Those are probably still going to be better than most real interactions.

>>19976042
How do I make my work feel timeless?

>>19976331
Focus on the human aspect since that is timeless. People will always be angry, sad, depressed, horny, suicidal, delusional, in love or frustrated.

>>19976241
>it should be done with one‘s soul and crotch
I feel like that would get dark and meandering really fast in my case.

>>19976361
What do you think works hailed as master pieces are like and where they came from?

>>19976273
Personally I find autistic dialogue more interesting to read than average normie dialogue

>>19976273
Nobody wants to read functional conversations. People are fucking autistic. They want to read autistic dialog.

Is there an (un)official /wg/ discord?

>>19976042
I don't like this. It's not like anyone read the OP anyways, but having the effort put into an OP separates us from the dregs of /crit/ and WWOYM.

>>19976394
Yes. It's been a while since either were posted, so here you go

https://discord.gg/8dMtvcvV
https://discord.gg/BBzaaJqn

>>19976233
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
Could you add my twitter handle after Undying Emperor? @KrakeJames

I'd post my Gettr too, but that site is dead and I haven't migrated to another twitter alternative.

>>19976409
Lmao fucking snob go cry in the corner

>>19976416
What?

>>19976042
can someone give me a list of essential anime to become a better writer? I don't have the patience to read

>This is the most delicious time of year in /wg/.
>Anon's are still full of hopes and memes before the reality of actually writing and publishing sets in.
I look forward for what is to coom.

>>19976425
https://www.wcostream.com/anime/my-roommate-is-a-cat

>>19976425
https://myanimelist.net/anime/820/Ginga_Eiyuu_Densetsu

>>19976162
because it's fucking worthless, surface-level "advice" by people you really shouldn't be taking advice from in the first place. it breeds another generation of mindless, slavering retards whose lack of mental capacity is matched only by their unthinking devotion to THE RULES.

>>19976425
Unironically, Record of Lodoss War

Since /wg/ is now very fantasyshit/royalroad-friendly I feel like I can ask this here. At what point is there too much of the Four Heavenly Kings trope in a single story?

So far in one of my pet projects has:
>a team of six from the MC's former faction
>another faction has a team of seven
>this same faction has another team of five in a lower hierarchy
>a newly formed faction comes up with a team of nine
>another has a team of twelve
>another that comes up later has a team of three

None of them have the same narrative function in their respective arcs so I thought it was fine to just keep pumping them out as a way to flesh out the setting but they still go through the same process of getting their own highlight moments so that could strain the pacing.

>>19976456
>structure and form bad
>formlessness good
Go write poetry if you hate rules so much

how do i write better song lyrics
its hard :(

>>19976456
>>19976475
all in moderation retard

>>19976481
I‘ll repeat: write from your soul or your crotch and you‘ll be fine

>>19976481
hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door. /mu/ is two blocks down

>>19976475
no, go fuck yourself. i'm going to finish my meandering, 300k word encyclopedia of the human condition and i'm going to keep shitting on you until it's done. for the record, it'll probably take me another ten years, so settle in.

>>19976491
Dangerously based

>>19976491
Okay nigger, whatever

>>19976461
I don't see the problem as humans have been making groups since humans became a thing but one thing to keep in mind is that if your group gets strengthened by the power of friendship then why wouldn't the other and bigger groups also receive such a power up?

>>19976545
well it's just like if you think about it for a second and really turn your brain on for a bit i know it might have been a while since you did that but just try for me do you think your dick can touch your asshole if you really try and then answer me this do you think that a sentence without any punctuation or grammatical indicators at all is a fitting message for a thread that happens to be the writing general thread on the literature board well fucker what do you think can you read this or does it come off like i'm either retarded or making a fucking point which one do you think it is?

>>19976617
If you need punctuation to make sense of text you might be seriously retarded

>>19976623
yeah well the point isn't that it's about making sense now is it because you could say that as WRITERS it behooves us to fucking WRITE WELL and no matter what you might try to conjure up regurgitated diarrheal or just some other miscellaneous immanentized expulsion of your fundamental retardation the fact of the matter is that punctuating things correctly is in good taste and if you think otherwise and if you think that it doesn't automatically make someone's eyes glaze over when they read something like this unless there's a specific artistic purpose behind it and let's not mince any words here art is the last thing on your mind since you're replying to a fantasyshitter devotee to the meerkat faggot who has helped ruin this general in my absence the point being that you're a gigantic fucking retard and it's a sad state of affairs that zoomers like you are who are supposed to take up the fucking torch and lead us all to a new golden age of literature and you're too busy jerking yourselves off to BIG TIT ANIME GIRL and writing the isekai """"stories"""" in similarly hackish and blatantly amateur prose it's just fuckin sad man and i'm not going to just sit by and let you RR isekai anime faggots run the show here because none of you can write for shit and we used to care about quality instead of being the refuge for retards you know it all started in stormfront and unexceptional unambitious unintelligent people like you are just our version of how the stormfags all came here thinking they were in good company when in reality we were just making fun of them

>>19976646
>as WRITERS it behooves us to fucking WRITE WELL
True. Why are you assuming I write in english though?

How do I start a litrpg patreon scam?

>>19976797
The secret of successful litrpg is that none of them are actually litrpg
they're just decent fantasy/sci-fi with litrpg stapled on

>>19976797
I would make a list of my favorite tropes and character archetypes, estimate how much content I could make just riffing with what I have then go on an adventure and bullshit as long as possible.
You need to commission porn for your series, every thing successful these days gets rule 34d so give it a quick kick to ensure readers that your characters are beautiful and will be a reader's perfect wife gf.

>>19976331
Write about people in a timely setting

>>19976350
This. If a thing can be timeless, then focus on that human experience that isnt new. It can and I think should be grounded in setting which evokes so much. I think of Eudora Welty or Thomas Wolfe who insisted on the human component, show how nothing is new even with different cultural lens.

>>19976368
>writing a self-insert fic where i'm married with children with an anime girl for personal consumption
>lonely so the soul starts seeping into it
>suddenly it becomes into a story about how i break up the marriage and hijack the kid's relationship with her teacher so she won't become a teenage father
>deleted it
Did I have something here?

I was doing some thinking today after driving home from work. It's pretty clear that film adaptations are the endgame for most modern writers, whether it's comics or literature or even WH40k lore books. It begs the question why not just be a script or screenwriter?
Now I'm a specialist engineer and I thought of it in terms of engineering. If you're a physicist or a mathematician, you can do nearly any engineering job with minimum catch up time since all engineering has a base in physics and math. In that sense I think being a literature author, where all adaptations spring from, is like being a physicist or a mathematician in an engineering world. No matter where you go, comics or film or anywhere else, you'll always have a base in storytelling that just needs adaptation for how things are portrayed.

>>19977058
So you’re a tranny? If so, you might have something. Faggot nigger shit is big these days in publishing.

>>19977237
The problem with writing a script is that people generally don’t read them in their spare time the way they would a book or web serial. If you’re lucky a script gets optioned (usually pretty cheap) and languishes at a studio for a few years before getting into production, at which point it gets rewritten for mass appeal. The benefit of doing a comic or web novel on your own first and say “see? I got this much of an audience with just my shitty comic book, imagine what you can do with a movie.”

>>19977257
Actually, they, both women, were going to have a child through IPS cells technology and I stepped in so she wouldn't fuck up her life any further, though I did ruin a family that was doing mostly fine for it.
I hate tranny enablers.

While she was already there, she looked further into various cultivation tomes, one in particular catching her eye for the image upon its cover - a striking reimagining of the Four Circles, depicting the circles as three rings with a human curled up in the middle “fourth” ring, and three figures labeled as “Archons” arrayed in a triangular pattern around the outermost circle. A fiery masculine figure to the bottom left, a water-wreathed feminine figure at the bottom right, and a misty, foggy, androgynous one at the top. “The Sun Archon”, “The Moon Archon”, “The Deep Archon”

There was no coherent structure to be had within the tome, only strange, esoteric statements and imagery. Despite this, many of these disparate parts captured her attention and ushered themselves into the empty spaces of her mind, fitting together with the ideas already present.

“All is dual, all has poles.”

“As within, so without. As above, so below.”

“Nothing may happen without consequence, all acts upon all else, yet causality may be bent by those strong of will, those who have grasped their own fates and transformed Will to Power.”

“The solar principle is the driving force of creation, the lunar the mold that gives form, and naught can be made without both. In the absence of the former, Man becomes detached. In the absence of the latter, Man becomes a rabid beast.”

“Soul, Monad, Daemon - all are but different components of the natural world. Monads form the soul of nature and Man alike, and the soul of Man may become Daemon, yet this is but one among myriad paths. All may become all else, one but must be able and willing to walk the path. Few are willing, let alone able.”

Eventually, after she had idly flipped through nearly half of the book, some degree of structure emerged.

“Man ever falls to the Three Plagues;”

“Mundanism - the Lie of the Mundane”

“Nihilism - the Dread of Absolute Liberty”

“Homogenism - the Hatred of Disparity.”

“The Three Plagues, whose seeds have ever been watered by those who would see Man crawling on his knees in the dirt…”

A ghoulish caricature of a rat-faced man with a cartoonishly huge hooked nose was laid out below, his face twisted into an inhuman sneer, occult symbols drawn in blood upon his forehead, his hands stained red, a gutted infant at his feet.

“Beware those who see, yet would seek to exploit those who do not, and tear out the eyes of those who see and oppose them.”

Chapter 71 released
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased
I hope everyone is making progress on your projects.
>>19977058
>deleted it
don't do this

>>19977396
You interested in a review swap? I won't promise to read your whole thing, but I'd match the length of mine.

>>19977450
sure. I'll write you a decently long review and keep it nice and upbeat. and, yeah, there's a lot words written, I wouldn't ask you to read the whole thing. I actually owe JK a full read of his because I want to read it but 300k words is a big ask and I've been holding off until I'm done with my draft. what's yours?

>>19977469
Undying Emperor. I think I've uploaded about 50k? I was looking for something to delve into after finishing the paperback I'm working on.

>>19977396
Chapter 71? How the hell does anyone drag their story on for so long? Don't you lose interest?

>>19976646
Dawg, this place is poison for writers.

Just write your shit and market it other places. Fuck around here and have fun, meme, and drop shitposts. You'll notice half of the posters here don't write themselves and just shit talk the people who do, all while being devoid of creativity themselves.

>>19977500
I write I, the guy who does goblin stuff but you all told me I’m shit.

>>19977500
I thought you died. Why would you rob me of this?

>>19977500
where should i post my work?

>>19977500
>retarded shill pretending like he isn't part of the problem
Go trip and fall headfirst into a pile of BC carfentanyl, faggot.

Please rate and review.

I attack with my spear, but he simply gives the shaft a light hit with his sword, deflecting it just enough so that the point simply slides across his shoulder, which shows that he has quite the [Parry] skill, and possibly a pretty good level in a Fighting Style.

But my highest skill is with swords, so I easily parry his attack and follow up with my halberd towards his left.

He pulls back his weapon and again parries by merely hitting the shaft with the base of his blade, killing the momentum of the halberd. Then he notices the dagger I'm sneaking towards his left leg and spins his sword clockwise, the tip making a long arc downward.

His weapon is now in an odd position, so he makes an awkward, backhand slash upward with only his left hand, slicing the tentacle. Then he immediately grabs the hilt with both hands again to bring it to his right to parry the spear again.

His [Parry] is high, very high, but he doesn't seem to have a single level in [Dodge].

>>19977485
Sure, I'll give it a read this weekend.
>>19977492
Its a big story. The first 9 chapters are basically a lot of setup, chapter 10 is a transition, 11 through 31 is the 1st part, 2nd part is until like 45. 3rd is until like 75. 4th is until maybe 84. Then the ending is probably going to be like 100, I dunno I haven't drafted that far I'm only halfway through 89 but I've pretty much outlined everything that's going to happen and the ending is set in stone.

>>19977541
>asking Jason Bryan for advice on self publishing
In case you don’t know, this retard purchased everything he needed to create his own books and tried to sell them individually on the street for $30 a pop. This failed as miserably.
>why not just self publish on a digital platform
He did this with his first book. It was an incel manifesto that got review bombed.

>>19976425
None.

>>19977573
I would skim and skip most of it but it's not that bad. 2.5/5

>>19977573
Too utilitarian, somewhat repetitive, 4/10
Here's how I would write the first two lines, because I'm too lazy to redo the whole thing:
>I lash out with my spear, but he forces it off its course with a light hit of his blade, such that the point merely slips over his shoulder. He clearly has a respectable [Parry] skill, possibly even some levels in a Fighting Style.

>It doesn't matter. My highest skill is with swords, my understanding of their dynamics good enough to let me deflect his attack in turn and swing my polearm towards his left.

>>19977581
I can't get to yours that fast. I've got 150 pages of Goethe to finish first, which will probably take me until sunday.

I'd certainly apreciate it though. I'm writing the end of Act 1 as we speak.

>>19977581
>“He seems friendly enough.” Glancing up and catching Wilde's bemused look. “What?”
Dropped

>>19977648
no worries, get to it when you can. I've recently cancelled all my previous wastes of time because tax season is upon us so I'll get annoyed of work sometime around noon on saturday and I'll probably start reading it then

>>19977688
Explain. Cupcake Diplomacy was a fun chapter.

My characters feel like strangers to me. When I started writing I felt like the characters I was writing were right there beside me (figuratively of course). But now that I have an outline of the plot, I feel like I have lost touch with who I'm writing. I think the problem is a mismatch in motivation and plot.

The protagonist I was writing about was a writer who took up an old costumed pulp hero mantle as a means of generating inspiration for writing. As soon as I was able to outline a plot and figure out where I wanted the story to go, my connection to the character evaporated and I feel like I don't know how to put the two back together.

What makes for a better story?

Opposing sides like R+J
Forbidden love like Incest

>>19977715
Scrap the plot then and just work from the character. Maybe you just fucking bored yourself by laying it all out.

>>19977725
Both at the same time. If your going to write melodrama, throw it all in.

>>19977715
don't be afraid to deviate from your outline and see where your characters take you

>>19977704
I jest, but you should really fix that sentence bro.
>I glanced up, catching Wilde's bemused look.
Would fit better there

>>19977734
>>19977741
The whole project has been circling the drain for a while and reflecting on the work I have put in so far has led me to conclude that I should drop both and start from scratch on something fresh. A lot of what I was looking for in this idea initially isn't there anymore.

Comment puis-je mieux m'exprimer ? Ça me fait chier que je n'arrive jamais à dire ce que je ressens. J'ai toujours cette impression de ressentir des pensées profondes, mais une fois sorties de ma bouches, elles sont plutôt laides et superficielles ? Avez-vous le même problème ? Bordel, je me sens coincé dans ce corps de débile mentale, pourquoi ne suis-je pas né génie. Imaginez toute la connaissance que j'aurais pu obtenir si j'étais plus intelligent. Mais non, je suis juste assez intelligent pour savoir que je ne suis pas intelligent. Il y aura toujours un génie qui pourra facilement me ridiculiser sans effort. La vie n'est pas juste, pourtant je ne demande pas qu'elle soit autrement. Donnez-moi toutes vos pires injustices et j'essayerai de les surmonter toutes, même s'il faut y laisser ma peau. Je vais vous surmonter, coûte que coûte. Je vais vous surpasser, vous allez voir.

>>19977750
I see what you're saying, but I never use the word I outside of dialogue. it was a purely stylistic choice, and I chose to do it so I'd never have to use the phrase, "I said" because that phrase would need to be used everywhere and I didn't want to. Macarthy exclusively lives in a world of me and my.

The next morning, they returned to the alley and helped the beaten to a medical hut and dragged the few dead, some of their bodies charred, into the streets so the patrols could deal with them. Askar had to stop several times to gag or, when she couldn’t hold it back, vomit. Gotta was able to work with steady, grim determination. Life in the Land of Darkness had taught him to handle the dead.
When evening came, Gotta parted from Askar. She told him she would be at the same place as last night. As he roamed the Narrows, keeping away from the patrols by staying atop boulders, Gotta cursed himself for leaving his jar behind, confident Askar would disappear with it.
Pushing his concerns aside, Gotta watched for congregating orcs and listened for voices and names from the night before. He finally spotted a group larger than most and among them heard a familiar scratchy tone. As they prepared for another night of “cleaning up the neighborhood” he heard them call themselves the Big Tusks. They strolled the streets, scattering whenever they encountered an elf patrol, as they sought a cluster of dispossessed.
They found a target. Lining up outside the alley they sent out lone members of their group to watch for approaching patrols. They were both women, smaller than the others. Gotta wondered if they were chosen as lookouts because they were unsuspecting.
Regardless, they were the enemy, they were vulnerable, and so they made for prime targets. Gotta would follow a Dark Lands tactic of killing only one of the enemy’s team. When scouts from neighboring domains wandered too far into the Dread Lord’s territory they’d be watched. Killing all of them would mean they couldn’t report back and more teams might be sent to investigate their disappearance. Letting them go unmolested might embolden future incursions. Killing just one and letting them see the body made it clear that their foray into the Dread Lord Withering Sorrows’ domain had been noticed, wasn’t tolerated, and the survivors were to report as such upon their return.

>put music playlist on shuffle
>that one song that fucking body slams my emotions starts us off
Cool. I guess it'll be one of those nights.

>>19977750
and looking at it I could probably just change it to,
>Catching Wilde's bemused look.
there's probably no real need for the stage direction glancing, and likely that applies to a bunch of stuff, a lot of little bullshit can get removed without losing anything at all except excess verbiage. I'll add it to my notes for the edits that'll happen when I remove it from RR and put it up on KU when I start releasing the sequel on RR. thank you

>>19977846
remember that RR readers like speedy and easy to digest. just keep them into the immersian

SI Socrate me demandais ce qu'est la pitié, je lui répondrais ainsi : La pitié est reconnaître la nature, l'accepter et songer à apprendre plus d'elle.

Bien qu'il y ait des choses qui nous paraissent évidentes, il y en a d'autres qui ne le sont pas. Si nous avons un esprit ouvert à l'inconnu, nous pourrons plus apprendre sur ce que l'on ne connaît pas.

Malgré que nous voulions que la nature soit autrement, nous ne pouvons la changer. Il y a maintes choses qui sont hors de notre contrôle. Elles sont parce qu'elles le sont et nous ne pouvons que les accepter telles comme elles sont.

Finalement, chercher à apprendre de la nature est la tâche de tout philosophe ou scientifique, mais elle l'est aussi pour tout humain qui désire pratiquer la vertu.

Au moment que nous aurons fini de le faire, nous nous rendrons compte que nous sommes plus piteux qu'avant. Comment est-il possible ? Lorsqu'un événement se déroule, nous verrons bien que, tout en étant d'accord avec sa nature, il ne va suivre que le chemin qui a été fait pour lui. Vouloir que ce chemin ne soit pas de cette façon, est aussi ridicule que de vouloir que le monde ne soit pas le monde. Lorsque vous comprenez mieux la nature, vous comprendrez pourquoi cet événement ne pouvait pas se passer autrement et la seule chose que nous pouvions faire est l'accepter. C'est là que nous ferons preuve de pitié. car nous savons que certaines choses sont prédisposées à être d'une certaine manière. Nous avons beau à les manipuler, nous ne pouvons pas tout contrôler car notre propre nature nous l'empêche. Ne serait-ce pas plutôt agréable aimer la nature sans aucune raison, au lieu de nous fâcher après chaque fois qu'elles nous contraint ? Nous serons plus piteux car nous ne nous sentirons ni étonnés ni malheureux et nous arriverons n'importe quel événement que la vie nous impose.

>>19977775
>>19977955
HON HON UN PETIT BAGUETTE ZUT ALORS MON AMI JE SURRENDEUR!

>>19976425
Unironically Naruto. It's dripping with character and theme and is appealing to normies, which is what you should strive for

>>19977968
Please don't make fun of me, I'm a worthless piece of shit.

>>19977999
>'m a worthless piece of shit.
We know, you post wojacks.

>>19978003
How to stop being subhuman ?

>>19977999
but french people are sexy

Can anyone critique the first chapter of my sci-fi story please? It's going to be about a young intergalactic space trucker, essentially

https://pastebin.com/36AVg0CQ

>>19978010
I'm a filthy beaner, do you still think I'm sexy ? Do you still believe I'm like human being just like you ? A Dieu ne plaise ! Je ne suis pas meilleure qu'une putain de moche.

>>19977775
Edit. If you can recognize your writing is bad that means you are not a bad writer. It just means you have to stop being a lazy ass and edit it until it's good.

I want to write comedy but I'm not funny. Or is it possible I am funny and just don't laugh at my own jokes because I had to think about them so much I'm numb to the payoff?

>>19978047
What a tremendous image.

>>19978037
>https://pastebin.com/36AVg0CQ
I'm sorry, you lost me at "joystick." Look up some terms.

>>19978129
Just write what makes you giggle. The whole writing jokes thing pigeonholes you into just jokes but there are so many other facets of comedy worth exploring. Farce is especially undernoticed.

>>19978129
Ngmi

>>19976042
Im not really sure to be at the right place but what the hell:

Is there something akin to the Kama Sutra in thai culture? Anybody here knows about their take on sex and sensuality, what they consider attractive or sexy?Im writing some smut about Mrs. Boonchuy from amphibia and would like to get a richer background on how to write sex scenes.

Have any story or scenario left a strong POSITIVE impression on you? You know, the kind of smut you couldnt stop thinking about for days and became a fond memory you like to revisit from time to time.

Thank you.

>>19978441
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10674766/1/A-Huntress-and-Her-Hound

Hey guys i have a pretty bad mental disorder (Schizoaffective bipolar 1 type)

While i feel i can handle the depression right and the psychosis I have problems with protraying mania

I feel like while yes they would be reckless and enegryic and sexualy active (among other things)

However i feel like i'm writing somebody "evil" whenever i write about mania because its something that makes you do a lot of messed up things yes But i'm worried they may come off more of a villian instead of someone with mental illness.


Should i just say fuck it write them having recklace sex, drug use, ect

I just feel i am protraying my disorder wrong even though its extactly like that.

What do anons?

>>19976042
Can't find the right word. Describing the thematic impact of a medical examination scene in a paper right now, and I'm looking for a word somewhere between dehumanization and objectification. Objectification is literally the closest word, in a "making someone to be an object or item" kind of way, but doesn't feel right. Dehumanization is the result, but this word is so fucking overused it is disgusting. Something to convey the sterile, clinical feeling of being a body rather than a person. Thoughts?

>>19977553
Seethe harder tranny

>>19978441
Go back to /co/ you twat

How is your guys advertising going for your books?
If my book can do better with even mild effort, I'll do it.

Why do people think "oh so-and-so got rejected two hundred times before they were published" is a comforting thought? All it tells me is that getting published is a matter of luck because publishers are retarded and essentially award book deals via random draw.

I've often been told to grab writing ideas from my personal experiences, but the deeper I go into that route, the more I fear the possibility that I am writing a shitty selfinsert autobiography that will be interesting to no one. Certain general themes I want to explore have one and one only personal answer. Maybe this is part of a larger issue of figuring out how to, up to a reasonable extent, detach my characters and worlds from myself, or maybe I am worrying about nothing.

advice on how to become a good comedy writer plz

>>19978658
it's supposed to make the blow of you getting rejected softer by removing the illusion that great writers succeeded right away

it is true that publishers are retards and your best bet at getting tradpubbed is to get to know someone who has sway at a publishing house

>>19977528
Only the good die young.

>>19978658
You engage in famine thinking, they do not.

>>19978666
Expand your personal experience. Have a deeply held memory that drives your writing? Explore the more abstract feelings and themes at the core of that memory, the characteristics that make it stick in your mind, and intentionally seek out other people's related experiences. Find people who had similar events occur materially, and analyze how their feelings evolved differently. Find people who had similar feelings from a different event, and analyze how different circumstances evoked a similar reaction. Re-experience it with them, and bring this into the fold of your own. Then you won't be writing a self-insert, you'll be writing an us-insert. That's good writing.

pls consider responding to this>>19978533

>>19978675
write funny things, avoid writing things that arent funny when possible

>>19978533
detachment, compartmentalization, un-personing

>>19978447
gonna check it out right now, thanks for the reply

>>19978749
anon, that's obviously beastiality

>>19978666
>checked

Clearly you are a fag with zero interesting experiences and no adventure

>>19978926
no amount of childhood mountain trips and fucking around with basic smithing will suffice for two million words of webnovel

I must create new inspiration by diving into full escapism

how come i have a skill for worldbuilding and making believable settings but my storyboards, dialogue and direction are absolute dogshit? did i play too many RTS games? i can create amazing, breathing worlds of political interactions and the second it involves any individuals it goes to dogshit

>>19978699
thank u kind soul

>>19978932
>100+ chapters is an unconscionable time to stay in the starting village.

>>19978932
Okay dipshit, you've intrigued me. Let's see what you've written so far!

>>19978948
If I sat with you at a bar and handed you a pencil and a piece of paper, I would ask you to write the names of 10 people who you've had a funny interaction with in your life. Could you write a paragraph about each? How about 3 paragraphs? Would you just stab me in the eye with the pencil?

I could do this exercise extremely fast, as I can close my eyes and recall so many weirdos, characters, normies, psychos, social butterflies, kind people, and misfits I've known.

How long would it take you to write out 10 names?

>>19979125
tan buff vatgrown ubermensch helps soldiers get back into their home country, gets attacked by literal bugmen, decides to enact petty revenge, becomes based

>>19979137
i tried to like your writing but couldn't yet your swol and thong clad MC makes me diamonds.

>>19979150
>>19979137
one of my readers described it as an old unboosted diesel:

>It's like an old unboosted diesel, slow but it'll get you to the action guaranteed. And when it gets there, it really gets there.

I go into borderline slice of life at times, but I also have 10k word sequences of ultraviolence

>>19979160
>>19979150
I'd say at least give it a chance until the wendigo fight

>>19979160
10k words of ultraviolence?!

Man... inject me with a link, I gotta check it out!

>>19979172
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42627/retribution-engine
Here.
If you want to skip ahead:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42627/retribution-engine/chapter/717757/022-the-extermination-begins

>>19979175
>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42627/retribution-engine/chapter/717757/022-the-extermination-begins

I really liked this part:

>Their armor was still weak. Even at a momentary glance, Zelsys knew where to pull and where to dig her fingers in to make their meatsuits come apart like wet paper.

>At last she springboarded off the wall, barreling into the left Warrior. It raised its left arm to try and stop her surprisingly quickly, but she just took hold of it and let her momentum do the rest, hoping that the Warriors still had human skeletons, so that she might use their bones as weapons. Her hope was dashed when she felt the arm’s carapace rip away, with no hard resistance or dislocation felt.

>Hemolymph gushed for a moment before the Warrior’s stump shoulder sealed itself, and it took a swing with its good arm. Zelsys had already lunged for a drone, her grin flashing as she crushed the locust-man with sheer weight and ripped its mandibles from its head, stomping on its skull before she moved onto its compatriots.

>Chitin-crusted pseudo-karambits in hand, she disemboweled the armless Warrior crotch to chin, pulling through on the momentum to bite into the other Warrior’s chest. The mandible began to cut, but then got stuck as the soft chitin bunched up under it. Before she could take a swing with her left the Warrior made a strike of its own, smashing down on her right shoulder with such prodigal force that it buckled even her knees.

>It stared down at her, its vacant stare briefly lit up by recognition, immediately overtaken by all-consuming hate. Before it could do anything else, Zelsys let go of the stuck mandible and wrapped her arm around its arm, simultaneously shifting her weight to her right leg. In a moment she exhaled a full lung and used the Fog to fuel a crushing flex that severed the Warrior’s forearm and a violent side kick, so forceful it swept it off its stubby little feet.

>>19979175
Your fight scenes come across so different than mine, and it took a couple of minutes for me to understand why. I feel like in my writing, sounds of materials hitting together is what conveys my fight scenes and their intensity, while you use metaphor "like wet paper".

I feel like if I had a scene where a character ripped apart a giant roach, I would describe the squeal of the bug, the spray of the bug juice, and the sound of the tearing carapace.

Great work by the way.

>>19979204
Thank you! It seems fights are among my strong points, from what I can gather from reviews.
And it's interesting to see differences of how people write fights, yeah. When I write duels, I also tend to focus on the nuance of the mind games. Specific sound cues tend to be reserved for impactful actions like techniques or guns firing.

>>19979211
If I wanted to post my book on free sites to generate readers, is Royal Road the only site you use? Do you have any marketing you do to get readers on there?

Do you make all your own art?

>>19979254
Royalroad, Scribblehub, Spacebattles creative writing forum. I also recommend having a Patreon with multiple tiers, each of which gets more advance chapters than the last, by the time you publicly post your first chapter. This will help you secure paying readers early on, who will be more invested and more loyal than others.

I shill my book on most of the discords I'm in if it's at all appropriate (though only occasionally), and have bought a banner ad campaign twice. They're not very effective.

>>19978804
nonetheless, a learning experience.

>>19979254
>>19979267

Also on royalroad, you'll want to do review swaps to get a boost at the very start, like 3-4. I'd do these once you have at least 10k words up on RR.

I don't do any of my art, they're all commissions. I just do all in my power to make sure the end product is as close to what I want as possible, writing design documents and looking out for unacceptable deviations in the design as early as possible to have changes made.

>>19979273
Are you the guy I talked to before on here who had the commissioned art with the hidden symbolism in it?!

Thanks for all of the info, I feel like you are following a legitimately dedicated path and it is something to be admired.

>>19978177
>A centre stick (or center stick in the United States), or simply control stick is an aircraft cockpit arrangement where the control column (or joystick) is located in the center of the cockpit between the pilots or between the pilot's legs.

>>19979276
No hidden symbolism here, mainly just character art.

>>19979283
>That forearm strength.
What kind of farmers walks does she do?

>>19979283
Well done!

>>19979289

As a Second-circle individual, she has rid herself of certain fundamental impurities and traumas and become a superior human being. This is combined with recoil-compensation glyphs inside the shotgun, and the fact that the character posesses a degree of superhuman strength and unnatural affinity for firearms. This outright means that guns just kick her less than other people.

I'm very much in full-on fantasy territory, even if it's more grounded than others.

>>19979294
It's a comission, to be clear. The artist is trollfeetwalker

>>19978523
Maybe you'll have to make peace with your characters being the bad guy during manic episodes, and work to make them as sympathetic as possible on top of that.

You must have personal experience of why mania is bad. Can you show your readers some of the suffering?

>a thread filled literally entirely with fantasyshitters posting anime images and discussing their RR abortions
How did this happen?

>>19979355
They write.

>>19979355
Well? Be the change you want to see. Post your self/tradpub story for all to see. Oh wait, you won't. I wouldn't buy it anyway.

>>19979380
>They
>>19979381
>wouldn't buy it anyway
You fantasyshits are the most mundane bugmen around. Everything revolves around purchases, marketing, how to reach more readers on RR, etc. It's really fucking tiresome to open up a thread and see not one single shred of literary ambition. Anyone who gives the slightest shit about literature—you know, the board we're on—sees the abject lack of quality in this thread, completely unchecked and among the pictures of anime girls, anime references, anime anime anime, and they fuck off. You fantasyshits descend like fucking locusts.

>>19979426
>anime anime anime
anon, I'm >>19979283
I've not watched a single anime since fucking Gurren Lagann back in 07.
The artwork isn't anime by any stretch of the imagination. It's stylized at most. And I don't prioritize marketing or readership, I only take it into consideration. I've never once made a significant change for the sake of marketing alone. If I did, the pacing of my story would be radically different - in fact, it would be a completely different story, because I would've just written a straight LitRPG instead.

>>19979283
I'm full of shit, there IS hidden symbolism. I'm just not the symbolism anon. The belladonna flower represents death. The split-petaled version on the gun represents a specific in-universe cultivar that was grown for its potency as poison, strongly associated with instant death and the appearance of the victim freezing solid before they fall down. This plays into the character's ability to stop bullets midair and the fact she draws her magic from a connection to the aeon of "Death", specificaly "Cold Death", as in that of an abandoned tomb, a long forgotten battlefield, a bleached skeleton in the desert.

>>19979433
>And I don't prioritize marketing or readership
You sure as shit don't prioritize quality or ambition either. You write superficial escapist fiction that's on the level of video games and anime. You and literally everyone else in this thread. It completely precludes anyone with talent or ambition coming in and trusting that they can get half-decent criticism and discussion when you know that 19 out of 20 anons in the thread barely read, and what they write is participation-prize tier in hopes of literally just getting lucky and striking the patreon goldmine.

It's so fucking tiresome. You fantasyshits drag the ENTIRE QUALITY of the thread down once you're left to your own devices.

>>19979446
>The belladonna flower represents death. The split-petaled version on the gun represents a specific in-universe cultivar that was grown for its potency as poison, strongly associated with instant death and the appearance of the victim freezing solid before they fall down. This plays into the character's ability to stop bullets midair
My balls cringe up into my stomach when I read shit like this. I don't know how you guys can be so incredibly fucking tasteless, but it ruins the entire thread. This is trash. That not imagery or symbolism, it's flimsy kitsch intended to have the appearance of symbolism. It means nothing, has no significance, and is the literary equivalent of a fedora. Stop that.

>>19979455
I made my MC the living embodiment of a popular "noble barbarian" folk hero archetype, grown from the DNA and "soul-splinters" of hundreds of individuals, all of whose perceptions of the aforementoned archetype combined with the sample material to form my MC. I made her a literal ubermensch that imposes her will on the world and uses "above-average" raw ability with sheer power of will and instinct to punch orders of magnitude above her own weight class.

I made my antagonists completely obvious political caricatures of cultural values and philosophies I dislike cranked to the max.

I made it a part of my lore that certain techniques, be it a sword slash or a fireball, can be embedded into the soul and recalled either with an incantation whose complexity depends on the complexity of the technique, or mental focus which scales the same way. In so doing, I made calling out special moves and/or concealing said incantations an integral part of martial arts.

There's an entire novella-length side arc about two side characters infiltrating an occupied city, fomenting violent revolt, showing people how to pick out glowniggers, and then having said glowniggers hanged from street lamps on that same day, all to distract from the recovery of a genius engineer whose work is vital in producing compact mechs and bleeding-edge repeating firearms.

My final big bad is a xianxia protagonist at the end of his own story, i.e a sociopathic chinaman.

I will write what I want to, I will have fun, and so will my readers.

>>19979426
>They
Yes. This is the correct plural form.

>>19979487
Notice how the anti-writing shills come and attack anyone discussing what they're actually making progress on?

Fucking pseuds man, I swear

>>19979487
the point was that you avoided saying "we". why was that?
>>19979504
that's not the point, and you know it. the point is that "making progress" on something isn't some cosmic victory. it's not a victory to pump out 500 thousand words of mostly-legible text. quality matters. taste matters. pumping out a bunch of text, even if you have flimsy post-hoc justifications for why your totally-not-anime slash fic has characters that shout out their names like they're in naruto, is not an excuse for writing dreck.

tasteless writing doesn't magically become tasteful just because you can explain the way the tastelessness works. taste isn't a function of comprehension in the first place. i can totally understand why people shit in display toilets in wal-mart... they had to take a shit and were so fucking fat and disgusting and of such low breeding that they couldn't make it to the actual bathroom. i get that, but it doesn't make it any less tasteless.

this is what you are. it's what you fantasyshits are. you are taking a shit in the display toilets in an aisle of wal-mart and going, "hey! it's okay! i had to take a shit! just let it happen!"

i don't want to just let it happen, because i don't want low-quality, tasteless people around me in the places i choose to frequent. this general is filled with the circlejerking of shitty writers. if you scan over the discussion ITT, this thread serves mostly now as a springboard for shitty fantasy ideas. there's very little discussion of actual writing. it's more like a social circle for hacks. it wasn't always like that.

i'm just going to do the best i can to make sure this general is less friendly to people who have no interest in actually improving their writing in lieu of making gestures at the idea of "making progress."

>>19979529
I didn't say "we" because I don't write on RR or post anime pictures. Calm down.

>>19979538
i'm calm. i'm filled with hate for people who write dogshit and are comfortable with it, but it's a calm hate. a rational hate, even.

>>19979541
And yet you refuse to properly capitalize your letters. Curious!

>>19979546
you're probably too young to remember the genesis of internet culture, so any explanation i give will be lost on you.

>>19979551
Notice how rather than discussing writing, you're now reverting to calling people newfags. This is how much you care about literature.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go write about pic related being used as the primary defense of a harbor only for it to fail completely

>>19979566
Why have it fail completely? Make it work, but not nearly well enough.

>>19979541
Who do you write for? As in who do you want to read whatever it is you write?

>>19979574
No, it won't even hurt the corneas of the enemy sailors because the one dumb bitch let the sacred fire burn out. The gods abandoned the defenders because of this insult.
Or so they interpret it.

>>19979574
my problem is that this isn't "discussing writing" either. that's springboarding. it's just discussing some story element that has nothing to do with writing itself. this is the problem i have. it's the dominant topic of /wg/ right now -- just a group of people who write fantasyshit talking about plot elements in their royalroad patreon scams. that's not writing. it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual mastery of the medium of the written word. it's like a group of amateur painters talking about whether they should put the apple above the orange as they draw scribbles with their mouse in MS paint. it has nothing to do with how to get these people drawing better lines, developing their eyes, etc. in other words, it has absolutely nothing to do with painting.

>>19979581
everyone, no one, myself. i really don't care. i'm pretty separated from the process of what comes after the writing's done. i focus on the writing and let the rest of itself shake out. i'm not willing to make all that many concessions to the forces of commercialism ascendant in the """"art market"""" right now.

>>19979590
>>19979596
You don't care about writing, you just want attention.

>>19979598
yeah, i must have just, you know... "lucked" into getting published, right?

>>19979590
You must really love the smell of your own farts buddy.

>>19979601
You didn't get published. You can't even capitalize words properly.

>>19979607
can't, or don't? here, or everywhere?

>>19979609
peepee, or poopoo? penis, or vagina?

>>19979616
>patreon scammer

>>19979619
>pulp serials didn't exist
lol, lmao even

>>19979609
You're the worst. Not the fantasy writers, not the anime posters. You.

>>19979621
>nooooooo!!!!! i can't be criticized for writing commercialized garbage for patreonbux!!!! i don't want to try to write well!!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaah noooooooooo!!! anything but that!!!!!

>>19979633
The pseud cannot comprehend non-pretentious fiction.

This thread is what happens when you let animetrannies get our of control

https://pastebin.com/Kq1QN3nJ

Here's an excerpt of what I've been working on. The problem is that it sounds awful and I don't know how to fix it.

>>19979768
my biggest advice would be to watch your particle usage. pay much closer attention to the way that they break up the flow and rhythm of your sentences, the way their sounds resonate or don't with their surrounding words. this isn't bad, but it could use some line editing to tease out a bit more beauty. this is a mostly intuitive process, and one i think is developed only over time. writing poetry helps you develop these skills you can use to really make the prose itself stand out.

>>19979821
I'll do some line editing then come back and see whether or not there's any improvement.

>>19979768
What does it mean to share a drink upon a black draught? They're taking their drink, and then what - pouring it on top of another drink? How are two monkey heads stuck on a block of meat with elephant legs and a scorpion's stinger sharing a cask - what action is the reader meant to picture? The sea is compared to the draught, not the draught to the sea, which leaves an awkward "it" dangling at the end of the sentence. So on through the rest of the excerpt.

Compare and contrast with the beast depicted in The Second Coming, particularly the clean and descriptive language (even though it's a poem, not prose, and even though it's allegorical).

>>19979924
Shouldn't I leave it up to the reader's interpretation?

You will write every day.
You will improve your characters, setting, plot, and themes.
You will actively seek criticism and learn from it.
You will make it.

>>19980019
Why isn't there an order to read in there?

>>19980012
There's a difference between leaving it up to interpretation, vs yanking the reader out of the flow of the text and making them re-read the paragraph.

Sharing a drink is fine, except the rest of the paragraph is equally unclear: the drink is "shared between them, upon a black draught," the beast has a "mammoth's mold;" these are both indecipherable on the first read, and I'm still unclear what is actually being described. It's muddy rather than open-ended.

>>19980061
Give me a moment then, I'll try rewording everything.

If we're supposed to discuss the craft of language vs. the mechanics of writing (plot, character, etc.) what does that conversation look like? Do we argue about the virtues of the semicolon? The connotations of using an ampersand vs "and"?

>>19976456
go ahead and reinvent the wheel then dumbass

>>19979426
legit

>>19980061
Is this somewhat better?

Nice thread

>>19980019
Mornin'

>>19980184
The prose on its own is alright in my opinion, and in a way I do understand the line of events. That said, I don't fully understand what's going on with the monster, the environment, and the observers.
Maybe you want it to be confusing so it reads like the meme of lovecraftian formless horrors, but otherwise it might be worth trying to reign the metaphores in somewhat with the descriptions

>>19978447
>clitty
a troon wrote this

>>19980318
>That said, I don't fully understand what's going on with the monster, the environment, and the observers.
I'll begin working on that. I'm a tiny bit mentally ill so I'm struggling a bit with coherence. And with trying to sound as such.


>Maybe you want it to be confusing so it reads like the meme of lovecraftian formless horrors, but otherwise it might be worth trying to reign the metaphores in somewhat with the descriptions
This wasn't my intention. I think it'd be better for me to start over and try going in depth with my descriptions.

Thanks.

>>19980366
Have fun and good luck

>>19980137
The fact that you can’t even comprehend craft discussion forced me to agree with the sperg

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>>19980751
neat

>>19980751
Is this poetry?

>>19980788
>>19980763
tongue my anus

>>19980751
Now THIS is craft.

I wanna talk this damn sparkle dog for a moment.

Everyone thinks this guy is ableist as fuck But as someone with the serve mental disorder the creator is knowingly or unknowingly protraying is actually very good and relatble from my point of view. It actually protrays mental illness and how it is.

The character got sold off to the sparkle dog trade (They sell for like 1000s of dollars no joke)

It really does capture the manic enegery and how bipolar is.

I think they call it abelist because they simply do not have know someone with an illness as bad as his/me

Sparkle dog rant over

Also story context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK-t96a68vQ

>>19980812
The fuck does this have to do with literature you sperg?

How do you guys feel about adopted incest vs blood incest

>>19980849
Adopted incest is cute and cuddly. Blood incest is primal and carnal.

how do i make money writing erotica and horror

>>19980489
It is impressive thst you can’t even try to articulate an argument or attempt the persuade and instead just opt for being a little bitch.

If the writer is a heterosexual male, does it necessarily make him gay if he writes hot sexual acts between males?

>>19981003
No
t. Wrote homosexual romance exclusively for 4 years

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/49395/the-undying-emperor
Chapter 28 just went live and this morning, I finished pre-writing the entire arc.

>I loathe godlings.
>I despise them the way a shepherd despises wolves.

>>19980812
looks like half of deviant art, and i dont care to know the minds of a bipolar person. pick an interesting mental illness next time like schizophrenia

>>19981110
I'm bipolar and I find that shit so boring.

>>19981099
Thanks for reading.

You might appreciate the line more if you hadn't skipped the first 27 chapters

>>19981140
I highly fucking doubt it.

>>19981148

is burgerpunk anon around? I thought he'd appreciate this
https://twitter.com/JetsGuy6/status/1496871231945154564

>>19981314
Watching this live was so surreal. It reminds me of the libertarian paradise copypasta.

Any freelance journalists here?

>>19981314
isnt burgerpunk just cyberpunk with more fat aesthetic?

>>19981334
>the year two thousand twenty two
>watching talmudvision
bro. what are you doing, bro?

>>19979638
Nothing makes the pseuds hate more on here than someone writing and releasing their work

>>19981657
>beat to shit before you even send them out
The quality I expect for $30.

>>19980871
Patreon. Some options for you: exclusive patreon only stories, advanced chapters of long running serials, write short stories and let your patreons vote on what the next one will be, allow the bigger patrons (50+) to pick a theme and put those in the next short story poll.

>>19981671
Thank you for the advice. How do I market and garner fans for this kind of stuff? If you could point me to some websites that would help.

>>19981713
Here

>>19981713
>How do I market and garner fans for this kind of stuff?
No idea.
>point me to some websites
Horror you could go with the usual ones like royalroad and scriblehub.
For erotica I don't know but I am sure there are places to post it. If you don't mind writing erotic fanfiction you could use ao3 and similar sites and then transition to originals as you become more popular and well-known.

>Your orcs and trolls are clearly analogues for black people in the United States.
>Impossible; fatherhood is a running subtext in my story.
And with that I was kicked out of my writing group.

there should be a separate wg for writers who want to write actual literature and not genre shit and fucking video game stories.

>>19981791
There's literally nothing that stops you from making a "high art writing general." Aside from the fact that you're a lazy little bitch, of course.

>>19980137
get a book called artful sentences; syntax as style

>>19981796
>aggressively retarded name-calling from hack fantasy-shitter #312567891237
when "lazy little bitch" is the best insult a writer can muster, something is wrong

>>19981819
Still not seeing that general ...

This isn't /v/. Do we *really* need to call each other casuals to keep a thread bumped?

>>19981769
>>19981671
How long should my stories be? And what should the pricing be?

>>19981836
I mean, it's like no one here writes.

>>19981787
lol nice
orc/nigger analogy is gay anyway

>>19981842
>How long should it be
Endless. You want to milk it f.o.r.e.v.e.r.

>>19981791
you've yet to post any of your writings.

>>19981849
I meant to say per post and not the story in its entirety

>>19981887
Speaking from experience, you probably want to do 600 to 1200 words per paragraph, at least once you get to fucking

>>19981836
you are all casuals though, mostly.

>>19981904
per post*

>>19981904
Do you make money from this? How much and how long did it take you to get here?

>>19981787
Your writing group is full of queers anyways.

>>19976456
You must know the rules to break them otherwise you will subconsciously just do the same bland novel done a billion times.

>>19981920
You have no idea.

>>19981916
I write erotica.... recreationally. However, if I were to sell my writings in my usual circles, I could confidently gather enough greasy totally-18-year-olds to make a small discord server dedicated to something like the patreon the other anon mentioned

>>19981952
Teach me your ways sensei

>>19981971
Do you truly wish to sell your soul?
Can you stomach the urges hidden by the heaps?
Start in the erp thread on /trash/. Once you can tailor a scene to someone's tastes on the fly you may move on to somewhere you can namefag

>>19981567
never gets old lmfao

>>19981086
>Character's last name is Et Al
Anon fr?

>>19982012
How bad can it be? I want to practice my writing and this seems like a fun and possibly profitable venture.

How do we convince young writers that they should read books before writing a book? Most of them seem to be inspired by anime.

>>19982050
You have been warned.

>>19982032
"and others" yes, I knew what it meant when I wrote that.

>>19982059
Make it so they can be critiziced without the fat of a safe space absorbing the impact

>>19982072
Or you know I go on a mass edit spree to avoid killing myself, if I got something wrong a few years ago when I put my first notes down on this story

>>19982059

Web novels and light novels. There's a lot of isekai anime especially that are the end result of a production line:

Web novel -> Light novel -> Manga -> Anime

So you point them to the web novel (which is seasons ahead in terms of the story they enjoy), then contrast that with the edited and restructured light novel – both of which have a fair chance of being translated into English – to show how to draft anime crap and rework it into anime dross.

THEN you MIGHT be able to get them to do the same with Lord of the Rings or whatever normie shit movie they've seen.

>>19982012
What is /trash/?

>>19982201
Baby don't hurt me

>>19982201
4chan board. How do you not know that?

>>19982201
Even the most *seasoned* of 4chan users don't know about /trash/ and it makes me laugh so hard.

Also yeah its the place to go if you wanna find your erotica niche. Tons of weird shit going on there.

>>19982207
>>19982208
>>19982221
I've been browsing for 10 years and I've never heard of it. It's not on the front.

>>19982201
>>19982244
>>>/trash/

>>19982244
For a good reason.

>>19982253
>>19982255
Are there more hidden boards? This is a pretty cool Easter egg.

>>19982269
wouldn't you like to know

>>19982269
Just /j/ for janitors.

>freshly baked new OP with the revised reading list + self pub guide
Now we wait for bump limit

What are some books that legit helped you learn how to write a good story? I have John Truby's Anatomy of Story and I'm getting the Hero With A Thousand Faces, but what helped you in particular?

I'm considering selling character sheets to dnd dorks who can't into character creation without making rainbow devil elves. Would you anons care to read the sample?

>>19982509
Don't ask if we'll read it, just post it. Even the worst shit here gets read.

I'm so wasted. This might be my most insane chapter yet!
https://pastebin.com/rZpwTma7

>>19982495
The Science of Screenwriting and The Sequence Approach (or you can watch the interviews by the author on youtube for free) made everything finally click. I don't know how applicable they are for the novel form but for short fiction they work beautifully. It was only after I read those books that I understood consciously what I had been doing previously by (unreliable) intuition. It is still difficult to write a great story, but at this point it's become equally difficult to write a bad one.

>>19982530
Good point.
Apologies for ant text

>>19982540
I might've swapped some periods with commas. On line three I'd end each sentence with a ! since he's shouting, and slapping doesn't sound quite like what you do to a horse as opposed to whipping, even if just by hand.

In conversations I try to switch around how I refer to characters, not awlays go "Johnny said to Mary, and she answered to Johnny", and instead "Johnny said to his friend, and Mary answered back with a glance at the boy". -5 points for making the orcs not the cool guys.

>>19982608
>-5 points for making the orcs not the cool guys.
:( But thanks for the tips.

2000 words into my fantasy novel LFG!

What software do you use to write?

>>19982738
Pages.

>>19982738
google docs

>>19982738
Wordpad

>>19982738
MS Word

>>19982738
calmly writer

Emacs with writeroom-mode, but there's no point learning unless you already use the editor.

I mostly just write horrible short-form shitposts with it, though, so a novelist would probably run into issues.

>>19982738
openoffice

>>19982738
Final Draft 11. Wouldn’t recommend for manuscripts but great for screenplay

>1500 words tonight
Shout out to Sigur Ros and Nick Cave for providing tonight's feels for two characters finding a fundamental disagreement where they're both right in their arguments, leading to a rift in their relationship.

>>19982959
I thought listening to music while you write was considered haram.

Post writing music

>>19983054
JFC now you faggots want to talk about music. This really is the most pathetic general of them all.

>>19983057
Then why post here

>>19983054
https://youtu.be/SdiIZLL31XA

>>19983054
What do you mean by that? Post about writing music? Post about music you've written? Write music and post it? Be more specific.

>>19983070
Write music about music

How long should you nurse an idea before abandoning it?

>>19983082
I think that as long as you're meeting some kind of progress deadline, you can keep proyects alive if only in the backburner. That depends on the case, though. What's yours?

The popularity of the cards in hand turned to liquid the minute the bear touched it. It was difficult to scoop back up as the liquid then seeped into the floorboards underneath. It clearly cheated. His cards disappeared. That bear was the least popular of all the animals, and his cards reflected that popularity. Now his cards turned to liquid. The lion, walrus, elephant, and human all eyed the bears paws.

"You dirty ursine of the twentieth order!" roared the lion.
"I beg your pardon? I am of the twenty-first order, what seems to be the problem?"
"Your cards have disappeared," said the elephant.
"It has no disappeared, it is in the floorboards below."
"Then you lost with no cards," explained the walrus.
"I did not lose, my popularity is down there. Neither you nor I can confirm whether I won or lost. Until there's a confirmation we must end this game in a draw."
"That is truly indisputable," agreed the human.
"No! That makes no sense," argued the lion.
"There is no sense in the senses you claim. For you all saw the cards turn to liquid and drip inside the floorboard. Therefore, your sense of eyes did not fail you," the bear replied, "until we see what the cards are, there can be no winner."

This card game is idiotic, said the giraffe and he promptly left.

>>19983088
16 years. Tried writing it a couple of times but no real success. I still like the idea.

>>19983093
You should probably put it to rest if you haven't finished at least one book of it. That said, you could always salvage the concept and use it on something that lives better

>>19983093
That or the characters - the idea around them or the interactions

>>19983090
I don't get it

>>19983090
Is this about politics

>>19983114
>>19983122
It's a card game with talking animals and humans who don't know who to side with

>>19983132
Humans in plural? Only one is mentioned unless I read incorectly

>>19983137
A human

>>19983090
So what happens afterwards?

>>19983090
I like that the bear speaks like an ESL

>>19983148
Does it truly matter in the end...?

*farts*

>>19983161
That’s rude.

>>19983165
I'm thegame sorry...

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huh?

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