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observing patters is good tho and doesn't require work
>the lack of patterns
if done properly, the joy comes from the trick

>>19963071
Pleasant sounds to stimulate certain parts of the brain.

music is for consumption.

>>19963071
I'm all for the transcendent reality of beauty but I don't see how music can be singled out of all the arts and examples of beauty in the world to prove it.

But to beauty on the whole the materialist merely calls emotion.

>>19963081
Why don't we get the same enjoyment from other types of patterns in the world? Why is it only music that gives us pleasure greater than anything else? Why not from speech? We know what word is coming next yet no enjoyment. Why not from noises that occur in our daily lives? Why not from pattern games and tasks involving patterns? Why only sound waves in the air? What accounts for different tastes or bad sounding music?

>>19963092
Music seems to give the most pleasure and a unique type of pleasure compared to any other art form but you are right. All beauty is relevant

>>19963082
Too vague really.

The apreciation of music as the greatest of all beauty pleasures in the modern western civiliziation is explained by Oswlad Spengler in The Decline of the West

>>19963071
I don't see the problem with materialism and music.
>>19963092
Music is unique in the arts and the art that is most innate to people, we need nothing but ourselves to create it and it is social from creation to performance. Most arts are built on uniqueness/authenticity, the painter does not gain fame by teaching others to paint his painting, but the musician happily swaps songs and is honored if someone asks to be taught to play one of their songs and has no expectation of the song to be played exactly as he wrote it. Interpretation built in, sheet music is ambiguous and only really tells the musician the order to play the notes, not how to play them, do you hit all 4 notes of that chord at exactly the same time or do you delay ever so slightly on the 2nd so the consonance is established before the dissonance takes over? What is the volume of each note of the chord? Do you barely hit that second so the dissonance is only suggested or do mash it hard and let the dissonance take over? When you bend that note do you over bend ever so slightly and let the note slowly settle into place or do you slowly bend right to perfection? Or perhaps bend quickly and precisely so the new note can ring out?

The only arts which have these aspects are those arts which are intimately linked to music, story telling and dance. We see both in other contexts, story telling especially, but for the bulk of people they can not be separated.

>What explains music?

Sound is best explained as compression waves in the air.

>>19963071
Once materialists make a sentence that kills you when read I will wholeheartedly agree with whatever sentiments they have of music. Of course I would sing that sentence on international broadcast to make sure

>>19963331
Yeah I don't see how any of this shows music more fit for proving the transcendental nature of music. I also question how much of this is exactly unique to music, but then you seem to realise that with your final line.

>implying music isn't built on authenticity
This is at the very least in some cases reductive (see folk melodies) but in most cases it is plainly wrong. It is why we can distinguish Beethoven from Schubert, both pure individuations in the realm of music and as such geniuses. This goes for performing as well (obviously for all performing arts), and because the value of a performance must be defined by an authenticity of some kind to the original work, it in fact serves to prove the opposite of what you think it does.

>the painter does not gain fame by teaching others to paint his painting,
In fact it has been very common in history to place less importance on the specific artist's originality and more on his specific skill, hence students (or any other painter willing) are taught in the same style as their master and often paint the same painting, or paint over, edit or finish an already present painting (though for the great masters rarely of the same quality).

>>19963409
>you have to ignore the vast majority of music the world over and through time because only the western classical tradition actually matters
You are a moron.
>I am going to ignore you explicit example so I can be right
About right.