/lit/ - Literature

>>19962803
What are your current reads, /sffg/?

which side mogs?

>>19962812
Midwayish through the second book. The way he writes characters has been evocative.

>>19962816
do you even need to ask?

Repostan:

I finished Consider Phlebas. To the anon who wanted to know my thoughts, it really hooked me in just before the halfway mark after the MC gets isolated from his crew on the orbital ring. Then the A Game of Damage chapter wowed me and made me anxious to finish the book so I could move into the next one. Like I said last time, he writes action really well and there's quite a bit in the second half. Surprisingly endearing ending too. I'm pretty hyped to get to Player of Games tomorrow and hopefully there will be less cock teasing about life in the culture.

>>19962861
Have you heard about or read Transition or Wasp Factory? They were my favourites growing up, but I haven't tried the Culture series because I thought it was a bit hard as a young'un. I'll have to borrow some from my dad when I'm over next.

>>19962932
I read The Wasp Factory but I didn't really like it. It seemed like Palahniuk without the flair. Didn't he basically just write it to get literary cred so he could publish sci-fi until he died?

>>19962942
>Palahniuk without the flair.
I can see that but I think I liked the pared down and matter-of-fact nature of the prose. And I haven't heard about Banks doing it to so he could write sci fi, but that's an interesting method.

>>19962803
An Autumn War, Long Price Quartet #3 - Daniel Abraham (2008)

And so, once again 14 more years have passed, which means that 36 years have passed since the prologue of the first book. The viewpoint characters of the first two books are now in their 40s, nearing 50. Their relationships with each other continue to be of vital importance. A few story beats were used again, but I'll say it was because people often repeat the same behaviors throughout their life. As with the previous two books, this one doesn't follow the standard epic fantasy conventions either, which I continue to appreciate. I don't know that I agree with it, but the case is presented that magic fundamentally inhibits technological progress.

I greatly enjoyed the antagonist viewpoint character that was introduced. The closest that I can think to him would be Billy Butcher from The Boys comic, not the TV series. It's not the same, though he does have a similar ideology, and this was published a couple years after the comic began. He's very much the "the ends justifies the means" sort and is convinced that he's saving the world. Maybe he is. I haven't felt so conflicted in a long time. Most of what I saw from others was complete condemnation of him, which is also understandable.

As noted by the name of the book, this one involves war. It may not be the sort of war you'd expect though. There's no glory, honor, heroics, or anything I'd describe as epic. However, it also doesn't revel in being grim or dark. A portion of the soldiers who lose themselves are executed because they're a detriment to an orderly and well-disciplined military force. It was refreshing to read a book where the adversary's competence was only surpassed by their confidence. What resulted was from this was even better than I expected it to be.

The ending was amazing. It was all I could've wanted. I was impressed by both how thematically appropriate it was and how much of a natural progression it followed. It turned out that that the decision that I thought was important in the prologue of the first book wasn't the one that truly mattered. That rebuke gave me a lot to think about. Normally I would wait a while before reading the next book, especially since it had such an emotional impact, but I can't. I have to know how it all ends.

Rating: 5/5

Why is Viserys's such a cartoonish character? I like the rest of the characters but he just feels absurd

>>19963317
Le narcissistic, misogynistic sadist is GURM’s stock evil character

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

What are worldbuilding red flags?

>>19963564
it has more notable female historical figures than male ones

>>19962827
The Dying Earth complete series

>>19963626
Meant for >>19962812

>>19963564
It is consciously aware of worldbuilding as a practice as opposed to instead of the much superior "this me story I made up" attitude.

>>19963564
Juxtaposition between medieval setting and modern values/manner of speech.

>>19962816
Fuck off with your directionbrainletism, filthy american

Anyone read this? I love goblins and I'm wondering if it will sate my goblin-loving autism.

>A billion pages long
>Somehow managed to not give a satisfying ending to ANY of the plot threads
What the fuck is wrong with Simmons
How can you create such kino worldbuilding yet fail to write a good ending when you have all the time in the world

No one told me there was THIS much Troll on female human rape in The Broken Sword. Yup, I'm thinking that's based.

>>19962816
who’s the eyepatch nig

>>19964128
looks like a womanish snake plissken

>>19961154
Perfect World (first ~50 chapters are confusing)
Everlasting Immortal Firmament
A Record of a Mortal’s Journey to Immortality
Renegade Immortal

I have book with me but I just can't find the will to read. Wtf is wrong with me? haven't read a single page this year even though I usually like reading. Last thing I tried to read was the first book of the flashman paper and I couldn't get trough because of how much of an unabashed asshole the MC is. Before that i got halfway trough the swords' in the wind by Lieber a (which I very much enjoyed) but I lost motivation as once you finish a story there is little to make you read another none outside your own desire to do so, there is no overarching plot connecting the stories like Tales of a dying earth.
I'm going try to pick it up again but if you guys have any recommendation for a book to take me out of this slump I would appreciate it.

>>19964166
>womanish
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>19906403
>>19906403

>>19964378
Maybe your brain is dopamine-fried from 4chan, porn, vidya, YouTube, and movies/TV. Just try to read with a pomodoro timer and force it, then you’ll come to love it again.

>>19964483
/BRS/ > /sffg/.

Simple as.

>The Way of Kings vs The Darkness that Comes Before
Which one do I chose?

>>19964557
choose one from here instead >>19962851

>>19964557
If you want to be non-pozzed read The Darkness That Comes Before

>>19962816
My ancestors are smiling at me, Canadian. Can you say the same?

>>19963007
Delayed read along anon here, hyped to see another glowing review for Long Price. I took a palate cleanser break after A Shadow in Summer to check out Between Two Fires but I l've come to the conclusion it just isn't for me and will be dropping it, it's competently written but I'm just not finding the plot/characters grabbing me at all.

Sanderson Thread

>>19964611
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>>19964227
Not that anon, but thank you. 3 and 4 are in my top 3 xianxia books. How do 1 and to compare against them, and how is the translation quality? Almost everything I have read outside of Wuxiaworld has had god awful English.

>>19964517
I will try it, thanks.

>>19963564
it shows more than the main character knows or cares

Do you also have insufferable autismos around here?

>>19965100
yes

Finished Stranger in a Strange Land. Would have preferred if it was more about Martians Old Ones trying to spy on Earthlings to figure out if they needed to be cleansed of Wrongness, instead of a hippie love-fest that the book actually was.

>>19962861
Ha, just yesterday I saw my copy of Consider Phlebas and was wondering if I'd ever hear of you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts after finishing. I stopped when they arrived on that frozen planet to retrieve the... uh... that AI thing from the beginning (sorry, don't have the names in my head right now).
Maybe I'll pick up were I left one day. Glad you liked it.

>>19964227
Thanks for the recs, I also read those from the last thread. Will give Xianxia a try, maybe it'll be my next favourite genre

>>19965119
Lick my curved phallus!

Recommend me some adventure kino.

Can someone who read Stations of the Tide hype me up on it. Is it like Gene Wolfe? Is it a really good investigation novel?

>>19965269
I liked it but I don't remember many details other than learning how to hands-free orgasm and it being the only book I can remember reading that didn't give the MC a name.

>>19965227
Read Reverend Insanity.

>Chinese web novel about a city being transmigrated
>somehow has huge amounts of soldiers, tanks, rockets, etc within city limits

Weird

>>19965100
Always and everywhere

A website with all the Star Wars books archived in txt format is down, does anyone know an alter?
http://www.hungry-ewok.ru/sw/all_books.htm
Also, is Mega the best way to upload audiobooks to share?

>>19965119
>>19965361
Yeah but It seems like there's at least one regular autismo in every 4chan general

>>19965364
B-ok
Irc
Torrents
Google

>>19965199
All Heinlein's books after Starship Troopers are elaborate excuses to talk about cuckolding.

>>19965366
it's the baker anti baker war that goes on (which I believe is done by just one guys).

>>19965447
I can see it now

>>19965446
I'll give you this: his philosophical discussions in Starship Troopers didn't need female lead to go around kissing everyone.

>>19965446
Yeah it's very very weird, I got into him because of that starship troopers but everything else I have read by him especially his Lazarus long series which I thought was going to be great since long lived/immortal humans living trough out the ages is something very few sic-fi book explore as a central point, and is a great as a means of exploring an universe. is chockfull of cuckholding and "free sex" for no reason, so much so it's more smut than proper sci-fi. Kind of turned me off form reading anything by him ever again.

Is anyone here autistic enough to have made their own language? I'm the same anon who said they were going to work on a stone age fantasy and I've been making up a vocabulary from which to draw names of places from. I find it somewhat enjoyable but I am no linguist so idk if I'm making a language yet or not

Pic unrelated

>>19965478
Heinlein was a legit Alex Jones villain. Laurel Canyon shit's no joke.

>>19965489
Tolkien became a legend for it.

>>19963899
>if it will sate my goblin-loving autism.
Depends on why you like goblins. The goblins in this are rather human. As noted by someone else I was overly harsh relative to what I thought about it. This is one I probably ought to rewrite sometime but probably won't. Of course, it can't really be changed on 4chan, so I'd be editing it on Goodreads. I've also read and wrote about the sequel and will be reading the third book in this setting.

What I wrote about it
>>/lit/thread/S16516220#p16516679


>>19964614
Hopefully they live up to the hype for you, because I've set a rather high standard here, which of course has its pitfalls for anyone else, as I noted. I thought similarly when I tried to read Between Two Fires.

>>19965489
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Peterson
What a prolific creator of languages.

>>19965478
Have to agree wholeheartedly with this, The movie drove me to the book and the book made me want to read more but then it's like he became a sex-crazed hippie after writing it.

This Absolute Unit is making a lot of money writing fantasy with one simple trick, /sffg/ hate him.

Click this link to learn the secret.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

>>19965605
If only he could lose some fucking weight.

>look at book review
>includes excerpt where the author writes that he's intentionally trying to filter as many readers as possible because only the chosen few are worthy to read his works

>look at book review
>includes excerpt of writer shitting and farting and staining the pages intentionally trying to filter as many readers as possible because only the chosen few are worthy to read his works

>read
>female
>stop

>>19965784
Some examples of what was written:
>It’s all on purpose, to get rid of readers.
>This book is not for you
>Most of you should not read this book
>I did everything I could to exclude everyone
One of the things included is a short cuckold story apparently.

>>19962816
lovecraft became more left wing later in life tho didn't he?

>>19962803
Has anyone here read the mirror visitor series?

If the Fremen don't use shields, why do they still fight like all the other armies in the galaxy rather than basing their combat doctrine around guns?

>>19964087
Simmons is an academic writer he doesnt give a fuck about the plot

>>19965883
Disparaging niggers was bipartisan in Lovecraft's time.

>>19966042
Getting blacked is bipartisan in today's time.

>>19966065
You're not wrong.

What do people think of Lem? Obviously he's super well-known, but I don't spend much time on /lit/. Personally kinda hated Solaris, would have been a great short story but it dragged way too long and all the characters had the same voice. Curious if other people had similar mileage since it's so famous.

>>19965979
I am patching Herberts' plot holes here. There are a few possible arguments.
[spoilers]As we know the Fremen are from Earth, so maybe they arrived on Arrakis using shields, quickly learned that using them is a bad idea, and after that they were too retarded to think about projectile weapons now becoming good again that shields are out of the question.[/spoiler]
Guns make sounds aswell that lure sandworms. Plausible enough, but why no bows and crossbows or silenced pistols then?
There is no material on Arrakis suitable to make effective ranged weaponry out off, wood is very sparce and the animals don't have the right kind of organs to make bowstrings off.
Fremen are predominantly cooperative in fighting against the desert, so there is no real room for monopurpose fighting items. Everything needs to be suitable for hunting aswell. Arrakis game is either very small or below the sand, so projectile weapons are useless for hunting.

All of this is different degrees of elaborate cope tho, there is a lot of retardiation around the Holtzmann shield generator, even for old sci fi standards.

>>19962827
worst cover I have ever seen

>introduces new character after new character after new character ad infinitum
>I've already forgotten 75% of them

I'm done reading this

>>19966462
Not exactly traditional fantasy but pic related is the only standalone novel of King that is worth reading.

>>19966462
how far did you get?

>>19966610
I'm 12% in.

It's going through a day in the town introducing people. So 5 am, 530 am, 6am, etc etc and every new time point is a new character.

>>19966666

>>19966666
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>>19966681
Imagine if it was a "Bakker Rules Supreme" post, Sandersois will literally disintegrate.

>>19963564
Too much, too quickly. I don't give a shit about your worldbuilding until I'm already invested in the story. Half the books I (try) to read go on some huge exposition dump within the first few pages, and I drop them immediately. I do not care about your generic political intrigue or your generic fantasy world.

Humiliated by women, this is the price of reigning supreme

Any books with a pious religious MC?

>>19966978
black sun rising

Maybe we don’t like reading books at all, and only read sff because they happen to provide escapism.

Trying to come up with some good gamelit mechanics

>>19967092
I've finished Hidden Tower. Rec me the next one from your chart.

>>19967107
some anon read I was reincarnated as a farmer
last thread I think
said it was a solid 2/5

>>19967085
there's no maybe to that
I like speculative fiction specifically because of the escapism

>>19967092
Of what I've read/tried
>Jake's Magical Market
Starts off interesting, devolves into an unfocused mess and the author starts soapboxing about social justice.
>Mother of Learning
Interesting enough, but it's padded out heavily (like most Royal Road stories) and takes way too long to get to the point.
>Heretic spellblade
Tries to be coomlit but doesn't have enough coom, the primary cast is too big which results in a lot of characters getting no development.
>Hidden Tower
Interesting premise, but also extremely sparse on prose. Shouldn't actually be on this list because it isn't isekai or gamelit.
>Solo leveling
Read the manhua. It's very good visually but the plot loses steam when it tries to get "serious" and power levels inflate enormously.
>Legend of the Arch Magus
Autists journal about playing fantasy sim city.
>Dante's Immortality
Readable but mediocre, author dropped the series because he got butthurt about getting called out for copy/pasting the design of Dante from Devil May Cry for the protagonist.
>Blue Mage raised by Dragons
Barely readable, characters speak like robots which lead to me dropping it by the second chapter.

Overall the only one I'd recommend is Solo Leveling, and then only the manhua and ONLY if you're interested in the art, because aside from that it's bad.

>>19967107
Try out Peculiar Soul on Royal Road. It is not finished but it probably the best written story on the whole site.

>>19967109
>I was reincarnated as a farmer
This looks kind of funky, with all those game stats. Will give it a try, thanks.

>>19967147
>Peculiar Soul
I suppose this is a web novel, right? Looks interesting, but I'd rather read offline. I'll keep it in mind if it ever gets a release, though. Thanks.

>>19967167
Yes it is. I don’t think you can read it offline at this point.

>>19967107
Did you read the series or just the book one?

From that I've tried reading Mother of learning, it was terrible.

>try to read Captive of Gor
>literally just bondage fetishism
absolute trash

>>19966462
>Forgets 75% of the characters in a simple book set in a small town
ngmi

>>19967409
Yea it's all retarded female fantasy fetishism too

>>19965478
Any recs for series about immortals? Especially ones who live throughout history.

>LITERALLY all vampire books are written for women
gay, this sucks

>>19967708
>Women like stories about blood sucking parasites
Who would have guessed?

>>19967708
I've just started the Von Carstein series from warhammer fantasy so I can't give you much of a personal view yet, but I picked it up from reccomendations and I mean, it's Warhammer, it's author may have even put money on a woman never even holding a copy!

>>19967708
There are a few Sherlock Holmes vampire stories.

>>19967708
>no books about a young guy romancing a centuries old vampire lady

>>19967770
just read the million other books about girls romancing incredibly rich and handsome and tall and powerful vampire men instead

>>19965350
That's just like real Chicom or Soviet cities.

>>19967770
Bringing a fire into her frozen heart after centuries of distrust!

>>19967770
>>19967789
are there actually books about this?

>>19967806
I sure hope so! Otherwise I have to wait for one to be written (because writing it myself would leave the whole thing spoiled)

>>19967806
lmao, no
having books written for you is a femcel privilege
all you incels get is your imagination

>>19967806
No, but there's at least one movie I can think of. Underworld, and it has Kate beckinsale playing the vampire milf.

>>19965530
Heinlen was always a sex-crazed hippie. He got divorced twice before settling on a Jewish wife. He wrote Starship Troopers to make fascism look bad, and it backfired hard on him. It's almost exactly the same way Anno made Evangelion to spite otaku but it became a permanent fixture of otaku culture.

>>19967814
actually, there probably are books out there about vampires girls slowly falling for a guy, but it'd be written from the girl's perspective since it's written for femcels, obviously

>>19967822
Absolute brainlet, Starship Troopers has no relation to fascism at all. The government presented is simply idealized democracy.

>>19967822
>and it backfired hard on him.
Just like the movie, lmfao!
Although I do really like Heinlein's quote on love: "Love is that condition in which another persons happiness becomes essential to your own" I have honestly never heard a better definition, although with three wives he may not have understood what he was saying...

>>19964378
You should try Hyperion. Or some short stories

>>19967833
No, it literally is fascism as practiced and advocated by fascists, with duty to the People and State being the highest virtue and no right to vote for those who do not serve. Your decaying leftoid brain refuses to apply the label correctly because your Jewish puppeteers have convinced you fascists are everyone you don't like.

>>19967838
Many such cases!

Can anyone tell me what a litRPG is

>>19967857
>Many such cases!
I did have one issue with the book: The part where he talks about female pilots being assigned to dropships so that the fighting men could hear a womans voice wishing them luck before going into battle, and then goes on to say that M.I officers dine witht he ships ladies, but right there he says there were only 8 of them.
Given the reluctance of women vs men in signing up, this would put incredibly strict limits on the size of the naval forces.
It just seemed to me like you couldn't actually have a setup strictly be like that, you could try to move personnel around to get this, but you'd have to accept failure or artifically cap your forces.

>>19967862
imagine a youtuber playing an RPG
now imagine it's all written and always in character

>>19967857
>with duty to the People and State being the highest virtue and no right to vote for those who do not serve
Literally wrong, read the book. The state has a duty to the people, which is why people holding government positions in Starship Troops ALSO do not have a right to vote. Likewise, the service MUST find a way for someone to serve, regardless of their limitations or aptitudes. The requirement to serve in order to gain the vote is simply a way to filter out those who don't actually care about their votes, therefore cannot be trusted to vote responsibly, and also to teach future voters the potential consequences of their votes.
The entire point of having the crippled man at the recruiters desk was to scare recruits away, because even a deaf, blind quadruplegic could demand to serve and the government would have no choice but to find them a post.

It isn't a fascist government, it's essentially a Greek democracy, where landowners and Soldiers are the ones with a vote. The civilians still have rights, but they are excluded from voting due to not shedding blood to protect that right.

>>19965512
Okay thank you for linking your review. I’d be curious to hear about the sequel and your thoughts on it. Your criticisms seem sound enough but archaic language isn’t a negative to me so I might enjoy that aspect.

>Platt hit the princess again, bloodying her mouth. He attempted to enter her. In his excitement, he instead ejaculated across her white belly. He screamed a curse and slapped her, front and backhand.
lol

This reads like a cringe light novel.

>>19967939
>>/lit/thread/S18508840#p18509674

>>19967958
Note: This was later changed to be the first book in a different series in the same setting. It does take place afterwards though.

>>19967955
The air pickled with understanding.

>>19967955
>>19967986
Didn't ask, filtered, and I accept your phallus - I mean defeat!

>>19968047
BANANAed

>>19967955
Kellhus using a katana and plucking arrows from the air to study them didn't clue you in on that?

Saubon fighting on the planes of Mengedda is a good example of not deliberately over the top action. Its also from book 2.

>>19968100
I really enjoyed that saubon battle. But kellhus' battle scenes are so cringe, that I still can't wrap my head around they're from the same book.

>>19968107
I think it is a combination of Kellhus fighting in an utterly inhuman manner, and the PoV being a woman who has zero idea what the fuck she is looking at. Cnaiur’s fight with Kellhus isn’t cringe. Often times Bakker swings with stuff like that, and it can miss for lots of readers who just find it silly or pretentious.

xianxiafags, who /Thunderbolt Fantasy/ here
I'm watching movie 01 right now.

>>19968160
>Cnaiur’s fight with Kellhus isn’t cringe
I found that cringey too desu

>>19968184

>>19962812
Fifth Head of Cerberus

>>19966553
you've not read much king, then. Night Shift is a masterpiece with a surprising amount of Sci-fi flavored stories

>>19965489
I’ve tried to come up with some new words for my world but I haven’t had much luck with it. The only thing that sounds good is the stuff I stole from Stephen King.

Why is bookreads such a horrible site. Are there any websites out there where you can search books with detailed paramters.

>>19964378
That’s tough anon, sorry. I love Gene Wolfe so maybe Fifth Head of Cerberus?

>>19968610
>Are there any websites out there where you can search books with detailed paramters.
Not that I've found, which is rather disgusting. Even Royal Road has a pretty damn good search function, even if the site itself is full of shit that is completely mistagged.

>>19968641
The best search functions I’ve found is on novelupdates which is funny since you would think a site for translated Asian web novels would be less developed then a site for English novels.

>>19968679
I wouldn't. Online reader sites, like manga sites and stuff for chink webnovels are lightyears ahead of the webdev you'll find with regards to english novels. The simple reality is since a lot of it is self published, everyone involves benefits from it being easily findable on a single website, whereas English Publishers would shit a brick if anyone suggested having their titles listed on a site they don't directly control.

>>19967712
I'll never understand why so many women love men either.

>>19968679
>>19968696
There's also the simple fact of scale. There so very many millions of novels. That and you assume you are using whatever it is correctly.

Why do people dismiss Bakker as "grimderp" when it couldn't be further from the truth? In reality Bakker is the closest thing to Tolkien in fantasy for the past 50 years. Like LOTR, Bakker's world feels pure and his stories are grand. He's unconcerned with the sensibilities of modern fantasy, he isn't trying, like GURM, to "lift the veil" of medieval tropes with cynicism and show that knights have ass sores, kings shit, and wizards masturbate their pink masts. There are no politics, diplomacy, logistics, treasury meetings, tax policies, all that middling minutiae. No time or care is given to sexuality, racial and gender bigotry, main characters do not have 21 century liberals morals, there are no quips and the dialogues don't like author's personal smartass dispensations. And for all the horrifying gore and rape, Bakker appears almost naive in his indulgence of giving characters moments of unrelenting courage of mythical heroism, men united in common purpose even as the world tears and scalds them. Bakker's world is not a hopeless nihilistic shithole.

>>19969031
strange post

I feel like the universe of Dune isn't very old

What’s some good SF/F with archaic verbiage and cryptic or dense prose?

Sanderson reigns supreme.

>>19969076
The Curse of Chalion is probably what you're looking for. It's only slightly cryptic though, but very artistic with the dialogue. In fact the very first chapter centers around the protagonist throwing a veiled insult at a knight without the knight realizing he'd just been insulted.

>>19969251
Hey thanks, this is a great recommendation. It’s got fantastic flow.

>>19969264
Enjoy anon, it's a great read.

>>19969076
Night Land. The book is written in a pseudo-archaic language that filtered so many that another eriter rewrote the whole novel in modern language

>>19969344
Thank you! This sounds fascinating. Is the Night Shade Books edition good?

>>19967192
I've only read book one so far. I can rarely go from one book in a series to the next without a break. Still undecided if I go on with that one.

Should I read books of the short sun? Im running out of Wolfe to read bros

>>19969518
The short sun is very good. Almost as good as the new sun, and pretty different from the long sun, if that matters to you.

>>19962816
There are no sides only a spectrum of ideology. cool file though.

>>19967092
>Isekai
The new Narnia with eastern themes. A trope as old as time.

>>19969076
Dying Earth
BOTNS
The Wallet of Kai Lung

I can all but guarantee you've never read anything like Kai Lung. The prose is at times so dense it is both repellant and enchanting

avern tattoo done
quite proud of it

>>19962816
bakker on the left? please fill me in.

>>19965640
its bad innit. imho, an author needs some charisma. hes got 0 of it. damn, son.

>>19967806
there are movies:
Near Dark
Let the right one in
the last one was based off a book, i hear it's very good

>>19969858
Didn't ask.

>>19969893
Charm enough to land an arranged marriage.

>>19969890
>(The past decade has ‘rewarded’ my turn-of-the-millennium fears—though in some surprising ways. The greatest attitudinal shift in America, for instance, has been progressive: it has been liberals, and not conservatives, who have most radically changed their views. The rise of reactionary sentiment and populism is presently rewriting European politics—and the age of Trump has all but overthrown the progressive political agenda in the US. But the role of the internet and social media in these phenomena remains a hotly contested one.)
>The earlier promoters of the internet had banked on the notional availability of intergroup information to ‘bring the world closer together,’ not realizing the heuristic reliance of human cognition on differential information access. Ancestrally, communicating ingroup reliability trumped communicating environmental accuracy, stranding us with what Pinker (following Kahan 2011) calls the ‘tragedy of the belief commons’ (Enlightenment Now, 358), the individual rationality of believing collectively irrational claims—such as, for instance, the belief that global warming is a liberal myth. Once falsehoods become entangled with identity claims, they become the yardstick of true and false, thus generating the terrifying spectacle we now witness on the evening news.

>>19969987
nothing there is leftist, bakker is a centrist

Newfag here. What would /lit/ read this book?

>>19970011
*rate

>>19970011
I don’t like the look in the eye of that dolphin. Is this smut?

>>19970024
The dolphins...are spaceship pilots.
I think David Brin was the author that made the concept of Uplifting popular in SF.

>>19969987
what a fucking nerd

>>19970011
If you don't read it you're a filthy hipster pleb, that's gold in your hands.

>>19970094
Already did so. It was one of the first books that got me into SF pulp.

This was a recent read but related to David Brin as well.
Except the dolphins are now spiders.

I was playing Stellaris. There was an achievement in it: "Outside context": Invade Earth while it's in the middle of a world war.
Curiosity and some research lead me to Harry Turtledove's world at war series.
>Hitler and friends(Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt) fight aliens and jews side with the aliens.
The premise was VERY interesting but it was so badly written I couldn't make it past 2 books.
What a waste.
Do any anons have stuff like this but... actually readable?

>>19970192
My dad is a working class normie who watches football and drinks old Milwaukee and Harry Turtledove novels are the only books he has read

>>19967955
YA-tier, go write star wars books

>>19970219
Gift him some good books then

ok. I read Tokien and a couple fantasy books I liked. I wanna read sci fi now.

Dune or Foundation?

>>19970271
Dune, at least the series as a whole, is partly a response to Foundation (when it starts to dig in to Galactic history, destiny of mankind stuff later on).
You don't have to, but it might be fund to read the first foundation novel prior to jumping in to Dune.

Thought if you don't intend to read past book 1 it doesn't really matter all that much.

>was waiting for the 4th palmer book to come out
>totally forget when it does
>attempt to read it on my phone, don't like staring at my phone
>months later put it on my ereader, zero interest
>found the bookmark in citadel of the autarch, very easy to jump back in
i guess i'll read too like the lightning from the start

>>19970290
seems you are of mind that Dune is better than Foundation

>>19970303
Yeah.

>>19970316
Why?

>>19970271
Skip trash and read Hyperion

>>19970271
Foundation
Be careful to only read up to Second Foundation, the rest is an awful cashgrab and will stain your previous reads.

>>19970412
Seconded. Hyperion is one of the best SF books I've ever read, and it's good for someone new to the genre.

>>19970271
wanting to read scifi and choosing huge series like that is such a retarded idea. why dedicate thousands of pages to one single setting, that's not the point of scifi. you are just reading fantasy at that point, but with spaceships and lasers instead of swords and magic

>>19970493
My good retarded sir, how about making some suggestions then?

>>19970502
actually i mostly read fantasy but anyway:
Half past human (and its sequel)
Ubik
The space merchants
Hospital station
Blindsight
The high crusade
The quantum thief (don't bother with the sequels)
The forever war

i think all of these are good, some are excellent and they are kinda varied i think

>>19970493
>Foundation
>huge series
The 3 first books altogether are 700 pages.

>>19970271
Skip all this trash>>19970412
>>19970416 >>19970493 >>19970290
Read Stanislaw Lem, Clanticle for Leibowitz and Ursula Le Guin

>>19970493
My first fantasy book was the whole Harry Potter when I was a kid. My second was Tolkien.

"Normal" single book stories feel short to me.

Besides, both sci fi and fantasy have a point, but it isn't mandatory. A big part of enjoying books is trying to figure out the thought process of the author behind them desu

>>19967137
You sound like you are from /a/

Being a Bakkerchad is a lifestyle, you need to be putting effort both in threads and IRL, Bakkerchads will struggle and fight, and never slacken, never tire, never lose courage, and never lose faith!

>>19970802
Many are not worthy of being Bakkerchads, we can see that with the wannabes that post Bakker but stopped the moment struggle and fight broke out, they slacken and tire quickly, they lost their courage and faith in King Bakker. You don't want to be a wannabe, you want to be a true Bakkerchad!

New Bakker thread
>>19970962
>>19970962

>>19970793
election tourist pls go

>>19971007
He is the fagget telling people to read a manga instead of the book, you rent free rolly /pol/ly

I want a book with solid power levels, good fights, cool power ups and easily self insert able. I just tried to read some of LOTR stuff but the lack of battle and solid power levels is hurting the books for me! Sam will never become powerful.

>>19971023
The manga adaptation is usually an improvement over the LN. Totally valid observation.

>>19971030
See. >>19967092
It has exactly what you need.

>>19962803
any good story about a first contact with a really alien civilization, think hot green blob not hot green babe, but somehow we get along ?

Recommend me same cool dark academia books not aimed at women.

I'm about to start this and I don't know if I love or hate the way Asimov connect some of his various novels into a huge universe. Since I'm not willing to read the robot series novels it feels like there's huge hole in my understanding of his expanded universe.

>>19969958
I did

>>19971129
not my problem

>>19964128
Laird Barron

what's the verdict?

Bakker? I hardly knew 'er!

>>19971277
haven't read it yet
female protagonist?

>>19971277
>>19971317

>>19971277
/sffg/ ratings
Stars Ratings
5: 4
4: 4
3: 4
2: 1
1: 3

My current plan is to read and write up about it next month.

>>19971277
only the first one is decent

>>19971317
>>19971324
it sounds sjw but it's actually not, and it's worth reading. The way someone to /b/ sold it to me is it's like a space opera where the ships act like anime girls and micro manage their humans' relationships and emotions, which is pretty accurate. it's fun

>>19971324
hmmmmmmmm

Why can't any scifi just be Star Wars but not Disney shit? Classic adventure tales with exotic aliens and rayguns in space.

I need to read the entire Le Guin production again.

2 years...

>>19971455
More like a 3oz brain

What book by this man do you think I should start with?

>>19971516
who he

>>19971523
King of /sffg/

Simple as.

>>19971538
Damn Bakker got old

Read the first book of the murderbot diaries, not sure what I thought of it, 2/5
on a completely unrelated note, god damn they should build e-readers with some handwarmers in them cause this weather is freezing my fingers off

>>19971562
That isn't self-published.

>>19971562
has martha wells put more out? i liked her

Who's best recent protagonist and who's best antagonist in recent fantasy? Hardmode: No Bakker, or nothing before 2000

>>19971571
her latest publication was last year, which was the sixth book in the murderbot series

>>19971580
dope

>>19971562
Read spellmonger series, first book is average but it gets better in later books until maybe book 8 or 9 when mc gets taken over by strong female leads.

>>19971607
taken over... as in.. sexually?

>>19971610
As in reigning supreme.

>>19971632
sexually?

>>19971607
Book two was shit.
The book went from the MC figuring out white stone and spells to use with it, to gobbo, and squire etiquette. Shit fell fast.

>>19971227
It is, in fact, your problem. Because you asked for it.

>>19971727
I accept your defeat.

>>>/tv/164309169

>>19971749
Go back to >>>/tv/

moooooooooods
the american is spamming his /tv/ shit again

>>19971756
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>19971653
It was ok, the first war arc was fine. When he started transporting those kid refugees or when that shitty woman got her own book (whichever happened first) it was then that it became absolute trash.

>>19971516
androids or palmer eldritch

>>19971516
or time out of joint or martian time-slip

>>19971749
Who gives a fuck? Tv/movies is all 100% pozzed kike shit. Anyone who even owns a tv or has some kike subscripton like netflix is a fucking goy.

>>19971749
>it's not less authentic to cast black actors
The only thing less authentic is this statement

now that i've finished citadel (again)
do i take a break with a palate cleanser or should i jump into urth

>Okay TODAY I will continue reading Soul Ship
>Write a naruto gamelit fanfic instead

>>19971885
you should be banned

>Sir, George Martin just d-

>>19972037
You quoted the wrong post. You meant >>19972037 should be banned.

>>19972052
>quoting your own post number before posting

>>19972050
I don't know what you mean by this. Sanderson has explicitly stated that he would never have anything to do with Martin's books. He won't read them, let alone write them.

>>19972068
Based Sanderking

>>19972052
No, mods are now banning people for posting k*ke like you
it already happened to me.. and if there is justice it should also happen to you

>>19970107
It was one of my firsts as well, stumbled across it in the school library when I was something like 7 or 8 years old.
A much better novel is his Earthclan which is set in the same universe, been years since I read it and the practical jokes of Uthacalthing still come to mind and give me a chuckle randomly during the day.

>>19972104
You're a kike.

Fatman... I kneel...

>>19972104
You know that "report racism" was there for years, right?
They used to clean up users of the N word a few times, but have since stopped.

Pozzed things:

Watching movies
Watching TV shows
Watching Youtube
Browsing Forums beside 4Chan
Posting on Social Media
Having friends
Watching porn

Based things:

/lit/
/sffg/
Bakker

>>19972132
all right now this is based

Sanderson reigns supreme.

Simple as.

>>19972132
KEK You should have added Sandersoi as pozzed but this is based.

>>19972146
King of the unproblematic wizardrang world

>>19962827 Terrible cover, publisher, and author.
>>19963317 He doesn't really live long enough for it matter.
>>19963564 Copypastes another setting
>>19964378 Books can't solve your personal problems.
>>19966065 ...and that's a good thing!
>>19966978 The religion genre exists.
>>19967085 What do you think entertainment is?
>>19967104 Don't.
>>19971995 Despair.
>>19972132 No.

>>19972126
The N word? What is that? A Nigger, a negro, from cultural perspective this definitely not racist because many blacks themselves call each each other nigger (or a negro if one is too friendly with a cracka), definitely not racist, even more when entire spanish speaking world use the word negro (black).

>>19972169
>...and that's a good thing!
But I thought getting blacked is a pozzed thing? no?

>>19972178
Is getting blacked racist? should white women stop stealing massive phalluses and make black women enjoy the curved majesty?

Cersei ripped up Robert's final testament
Holy fuck
Why was Eddard such a fucking dumbass, I'm so fucking mad atm I wish he listened to Renly instead of being a compassionate moron

>>19972205
Eddard stark should've unsheathed his fucking giant ICE and warged cersei's ass while jamie watches

>>19972205
Such is the emotional power of a story!

>>19972196
I don't like it but it is not really racist.

>>19972126
Nobody reports "racism" in /metal/
it was jannies

>>19972210
IM SO FUCKING ANGRY BROS
>>19972217
Yeah that's fair but I didn't expect to get so angry
I fucking hate Robert as well

>>19972239
So good, I like his back muscles and the loin cloth, so hard

>>19970271
>>19970290
>>19970303
>>19970316
Did Frank Herbert ever say it was a response to Foundation? AFAICT, that's just one writer's argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)#Asimov's_Foundation), and not a very convincing one in my opinion.

As for what to read: Both. As for which to read first, maybe Dune, since it's timely with the movie and all (there was just a Foundation show too, but it has little to do with the books).

>>19972239
I'm not GAY or anything but I'm just saying if Conan came up to be an said he had an elephant problem that needed solving I'm not quite sure what I'd do haha...

>>19972235
ANGRY IN A GOOD WAY! ENJOY YOUR ANGER!

Where do you guys learn what's pozzed and what's not? is there formula to follow or what?

>>19972261
If you are not gay but you still chose to perform homosexual acts (for fun) then that is even worse than being just gay

>>19972276

>>19972276
It's whatever you say it is.

>>19972276
>>>/pol/ is a good starting point (beware of trolls and slide threads though)

>>19972291
nah man

Can I talk with somebody about this here?

Dune spoilers related to "how does it feel to be a killer?"

They go to the sietch after Jamis is bested by Paul and Stilgar by Jessica. Soon after, Jamis challenges Jessica to fight her champion, Paul. Stilgar tries to stop it, Jessica tries to stop it, but Jamis refuses to stop. Paul finally fights, and offers Jamis a chance to yield after striking him once. Because Fremen tradition prevents that, Paul kills him. Jessica sees that Paul is apparently elated by the victory, so she goes to him and says "how does it feel to be a killer?" venomously.

Doesn't that seem uncalled for? Did he have any choice in the matter? I don't think so. Is there some angle to this I'm not seeing that would make this less dumb? Or am I to believe Herbert is preaching against self defense.

>>19972261
I remember reading "The Tower Of The Elephant" and I remember it was a little gay, he was sneaking in the tower with another hard guy that was perfect for Conan, usually Conan meets civilized twinks but in the story he finally met a hot guy that looks like him.

>>19972299
You assume that emotions are rational and logical. They aren't.

>>19972295
fucking hell, I used to do that (check early life section) but I don't anymore because it is just obvious even with most innocent and inconspicuous cases. Have I reached the next level?

>>19972299
You see, you made yourself look pozzed by writing all that, you could have just said that Jessica is "Womanish" and called it a day

>>19972299
She’s a retard. Paul was giving him what he wanted by abiding by traditional law

>>19972320
Yes, you need to ascend from 4chan to boards more suitable for your level of advancement.

>>19972299
I thought it was explained really clearly, but I haven't read Dune in a decade. Jessica didn't want Paul to get a taste for killing, which would have led him to default to killing his problems away and made him too many enemies. haha whoops, he did a jihad anyway

>>19972320
You are now officially Non-Pozzed, rejoice for you have ascended

>>19972299

>elated
This is the problem. How he felt. Not what he did.

>Doesn't that seem uncalled for?
No.

>Did he have any choice in the matter?
Irrelevant

>make this less dumb
You mean "make me like it more"

>preaching against self defense.
Obviously not. That's a terribly idiotic reading.

>>19972333
More like he enabled it than did it. Semantics really, I know.

>>19972339
You are defending a single mother for pozzing her kid, this is what /pol/ warned against, single mother turning their sons into troons

>>19972347
Go back to Twitter, you fag.

>>19972309
Okay I'm listening. Are you saying Paul was irrationally elated i.e. he forgot that his hand was forced? Or that Jessica was irrationally distressed by what had happened i.e. she forgot that his hand was forced?

Or something else?

>>19972347
It's amusing how the book says that Hitler has nothing on him in terms of genocide. It's been a long time, but his body count was in the 10s of billions.

>>19972347
Please leave. This place was getting better and you pol rent free spergs had to start acting up again.

New thread
>>19972358

>>19972329
>>19972324
Well, this is a story written by a human being. Are you saying Herbert wrote Jessica's actions with the intended explanation that it's because she's a woman and nothing else?

>>19972355
He was elated, which was surprising for all involved. Jessica was rationally distressed, as most any mother would be.

>>19972332
>>19972335
To be fair I stopped going to /pol/ awhile ago, because I saw it was mostly trolls and slide. I don't know if it is being targeted or it was always like that.

>>19972376
Ignore them. All they do is shit up the threads.

>>19972339
Thanks for the insult, and for your pious, preachy tone.

It seemed dumb to me because it seemed unrealistic. Maybe it would have made more sense if Paul, instead of just looking sad, had said "I had no choice!" (and then looked sad). Or perhaps if it had indicated (perhaps through internal monologue) that Paul felt bad specifically because he felt elation at the killing. Because, for all we know, he felt elation simply at having survived the ordeal.

>>19972386
I'm the one who posted that originally, and i'm not the pol poster. What's wrong with what I've said?

>>19972339
He should have said back to her "what the fuck did you expect me to do?"

>>19972413
You misunderstand. Jessica wasn't scolding him for killing, she was scolding him for being happy about having killed. Taking pleasure from killing is neither the Atreides way nor the Bene Gesserit way, and Paul was by that point, IIRC, showing signs of being a kwisatz haderach. Do you really want your thousand generation breeding experiment messiah with full ancestral memories, mentat capabilities, and bene gesserit combat training to take pleasure in killing? Sounds like a great way to create an unstoppable psychopath. haha whoops, he did a jihad anyway, and then his son became a ten thousand year effectively immortal tyrant intentionally pushing a boot into humanity's neck the entire time.

>>19972443
that's fair. It just seemed to me that Paul would think his mother had misunderstood him, and would become defensive. Maybe they don't need to actually be realistic with their words though because he can basically read her mind bc bene gesserit

>>19972443
Imagine misunderstanding the God Emperor this much.

Rec me romance books

>>19972498
>not posting in this in the new thread
lol

>>19972504
double coverage
worked since you replied

>>19972498
Google it.

>>19972498
Read some Tanith Lee. I haven't read her Romance stuff, like pic related, but her fantasy works are alright.

>>19972471
I literally wrote the BG misunderstanding of Leto II, intentionally.

>>19972504
Y'all really need to take a page out of MLPG's book and hold off on creating a new general thread until you hit page 10. /lit/ is a slow enough board there's NO reason to create a new thread at exactly 300 posts.

>>19972610
>create a new thread at exactly 300 posts.
We don't. We make them at 310.

y'know we've reached american reddit election tourist maximum saturation when threads are created at bump limit

>>19972717
That's way too soon. This is reply #332 and this thread is only on page 5. /lit/ is a slow board, and generals don't need to stay visible on page 0 for discussion to continue and interested parties to find the thread.

>>19972775
It can't be helped. The anon who creates the thread is who decides and no one can do anything about it.

>>19972989
Eh, it's probably fine to take that attitude here on /lit/ for a general that's pretty broad, but if it starts to piss off the janitors and mods you could see a crack down on anything "general". It happened to /a/ and it started the infinite division of /v/ into sub-boards.

>>19971562
Tell me more about Morningwood.
I'm getting the impression of someone that wants to be Pratchett, but with way more sex jokes.

>>19972205
Ned's problem was that he assumed people are half as honorable as he was.

I still think Robert would have got on great with Khal Drogo.

>>19973025
This is /lit/'s only general and it's been a shitshow for longer than it hasn't. Big surprise: Mods don't care.
>>19973043
It's a litRPG where the main character is a mimic chest and the fake name eventually provided for him is Boxxy T. Morningwood. Because he's a box made of wood HA HA I don't remember the finer points of why else, I'm sure Morningwood is just for the laff

>>19973391
This is by no means /lit/'s only general.

Are there any modern fantasy novels that deal with themes of heroism and nobility of character? Most modern fantasy novels I've read disregard these qualities in leu of slightly-edgy cynicism.