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>>19906403
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>>19955885
Wow, bakkerfaggot has really been dropping the ball these past few threads, almost like he's been demoralized.

King of /sffg/.
Simple as.

>>19955891
Bakkerchads will never be demoralized, cause Bakker rules supreme, sanderson rage and scream, prose so good make pussy cream, hater rage so hard they blow steam.

What are authors where if you've read at least one of them, you're allowed to have an opinion on sci-fi?

>>19955901
linkup when?

>>19955908
If this were true you would not need to repeat it every thread as a coping mantra.

>>19955947
King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>19955960
Emperor of the USA. Simple as.

If you disrespect Bakker, you are not a /sffg/ bro. simple as.

>>19955969
Looks like a peasant next to Bakker, he doesn't look like an emperor, unlike Bakker which looks like a napoleon or a very majestic noble breed.

Bakkerposters ITT

Bakker is the most metal writer, he is brutal.

if you enjoy metal, read Bakker.

>>19955996
You are just angry your retarded looking cotton farmer >>19955969 looks like a peasant next to Emperor Bakker.

Thinking of writing a fantasy story that's basically my fantasy. Is that cringe?

>>19955996
I object to this!
I am both a stoner and a leaf and I'm still neither cucked nor stupid enough to read bakker!

>>19956011
So this is the power of children's fiction

>>19956032
Then don't complain when the books you read is pozzed, garbage and trash, you have no write to come here talking about how there is no good book anymore.

>>19956042
That's sandersoi, Bakker is too based for children.

>>19956058
Grow up

>>19955880

Kellhus did nothing wrong

>>19955784
No anger from me, I've used both and in my experience Kobo is better so I recommend it to people. It's just crazy to me how people buy a device that they're terrified to turn wifi on for because they so distrust the manufacturer and/or they will be forced to look at ads. And this is all besides the rediculous need for calibre in the first place to just use the product at a fundamental level.

The abuse so many people unquestionably take from Amazon just so they can buy the "normal and popular" product is the same mentality behind why most Americans still let doctors cut off a chunk of their sons dicks to be made into makeup.

>>19956094
>It's just crazy to me how people buy a device that they're terrified to turn wifi on for
Paranoid Schizophrenia, its not the device fault

>>19956054
>have no write to come here
I believe it is (You) who has not the right* to come here.

>>19956129
WiFi on Kindle is only useful for locking you into the next DRM version and browsing Wikipedia, and I have a phone for the latter.

>>19956029
>Is that cringe?
Yes, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't write it anyway.

>>19956029
I literally did just that. I just "finished" it a week ago, but like any true work of art, it'll never truly be finished. I uploaded it to AO3 if anybody's interested in reading it.

>>19955901
>>19954982
>>19954982
>>19954982
New /BRS/!

>>19956094
I used both too, but I prefer the Kindle.

A lot of the criticism of amazon is nothing but mental illness/terminally 4chanbrained, such as
>they're terrified to turn wifi on for because they so distrust the manufacturer and/or they will be forced to look at ads
>The abuse so many people unquestionably take from Amazon just so they can buy the "normal and popular" product is the same mentality behind why most Americans still let doctors cut off a chunk of their sons dicks to be made into makeup.

Bitching about needing calibre to convert epub is besides the point too, because everyone who reads enough to use an ereader will probably want to use calibre anyway because there's no other software for managing an ebook library.

If you prefer Kobo for some legit reason that's fine, but I hope the people you recommend their crap to know it's for ideological reasons, not for technical ones.

>>19956262
Wait a minute...

After reading the Darkness that Comes Before I was confused why so many anons recommended it. Then I learned about how many Bakkerites hated Wolfe and at once understood that Bakker was the Rick and Morty of SFF. It's the quintessential series for people who think they are smarter than they actually are, while true greatness eludes them. I'm filtering this comment btw, so don't bother replying.

>>19956271
>criticism of amazon is nothing but mental illness/terminally 4chanbrained
Not an argument

>everyone who reads enough to use an ereader will probably want to use calibre anyway because there's no other software for managing an ebook library
Wrong

>If you prefer Kobo for some legit reason that's fine
I gave legit reasons - shape, required use of calibre, lack of developer trust - you just dismiss them as "4chanbrained". I'm not going to do some autistic comparison of how details the resolution of the screens are at a level the human eye can't even detect/how much memory one has vs the other on a device that practically just needs enough memory to hold 5 or so books at any given moment.

>>19956327
I know you're a lunatic and don't want to talk about the actual devices and how they function, but people who don't have a reader yet might not see the red flags in your posts and think you're making relevant criticisms instead of just sperging.

>>19956356
He is being a bit excessive but you shot yourself in the face with
>criticism of amazon is nothing but mental illness/terminally 4chanbrained

>>19955925
don't even joke about that

>>19956370
It's true though, none of his criticisms are relevant to a purchasing decision wrt ereaders. It's paranoid schizo shit about books being messed with and something about child genital mutilation wake up sheeple.

Why are we being raided b americans again

Speaking of Paperwhites, is it the charger port getting loose after all this time? It wants to settle down

>>19956402
IDK what you mean but I have one from 2012 and the port is fine.

>>19955969
I bet more than half of sffg can't name the related book.

I have used computers for a long time, and I’ve also taken course in Python and web development. No, there is no scientific proof that Amazon is using Kindle to spy on us, so please let’s just drop the subject.

>>19956476
>if I use appeal to authority maybe they’ll believe me

>>19956381
>(you)

>>19956327
>just needs enough memory to hold 5 or so books at any given moment.
This is absolutely unnaceptable, if a device cannot hold hundreds of thousands of books I may as well be using a tablet or laptop, if it can old hold 5 books?! I might as well have them printed on paper.

>>19956579
Only* not old, sorry I've been drinking.

Anything you'd recommend with a tinkerer main character. Or someone who barely has a grasp on magic, where mishaps abound.

>>19956579
You're thinker than drunk you are

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

How did he write so much, bros?

>>19956739
He was a hack, that's how.

>>19956740
You are talking out your ass

>>19956777
>t. hack

>>19956739
>basic settings
>cookie cutter characters
>wish fulfillment out the ass
I used to enjoy his stuff when I was 13, but even then knew he was kind of a hack.

>>19956824
you sound like you're 14

>>19956826
In all fairness, that is the age one outgrows his books.

>>19956830
Discworld is for adults

>>19956837
The planet is supported by turtles supported by elephants.

>>19956840
american boomers think there's a skyman watching them

>>19956843
Enjoy eternal torment

>>19956840
Only a Jew would deny this.

>>19956843
And?

>>19956851
ಠ-ಠ

>>19956840
It's based on real world beliefs and is used as a satire for scientists.

>>19956843

>>19956860
Don’t make them feel stupid anon. They don’t know they’re the ones being made fun of too.

What do I need to know about magic systems in Fantasy? Lots of them seem to mimic D&D a bit if there's levels, components, and whatnot... Do I really just make my own TTRPG magic system if I wanna write Fantasy?

>>19956977
go for it

>>19956070
reminds me of light novels

>>19956977
You need to know that the entire concept of magic systems is generally fucking stupid and almost always makes stories worse. Copy and pasting a video game or TTRPG system will win you a certain audience, but it will turn a larger portion of readers off completely.
The simple reality is that a lot of the mechanics presented in things like DnD magic systems were *not* the goal, they were the means to achieve the goal (which was a consistent experience for magic users that could be translated into gameplay). All the numbers, Vancian casting, dice rolls, these were all necessary evils to present magic in a way that was usable and understandable in the context of a bunch of friends playing a game. If you take those systems and try to shove them into a completely different medium, which is not constrained in the same way a bunch of guys sitting around a table are, it's going to suck.
An example of this is spell slots. A Wizard could have a certain amount of spells "equipped" at any given time in DnD. This mechanic was metaphorical, Spell slots were simply a representation of how many spells that Wizard had learned to cast innately. If you were to write a book where your Wizard character had to "equip" his spells, that book would be shit, because you have taken a representative mechanic and turned it into a literal mechanic.
The mechanics of magic in these settings were not intended to be a system, they were intended to be a REPRESENTATION of magic that was understandable and usable in the context of people playing a tabletop game.

There's only one instance of a magic "system" that actually stands out to me as particularly good, and that's how it works in Bujolds Penric series, and in that case it's incredibly simple: Magic that increases order is difficult, magic that increases chaos is easy, and the limitations on a Sorcerors power comes simply in the form of how much waste heat their body can process before they split like an over-cooked sausage.

>>19957269
Okay thanks for the reply. It gives me more to think about and now I’ll avoid magic systems altogether. I just wanted a way to rationalise magic but it seems like a fool’s errand. Also, the Bujold series sounds great, I’ll check it out. Do I have to read it in order?

>>19957294
Curse of Chalion is followed immediately by Paladin of Souls as a direct sequel, sharing many characters. The third book is a prequel that takes place about 150 years earlier.
The Penric series is a bunch of novellas, and actually takes place around 300 years before the Curse of Chalion in the same universe.
I highly recommend all of them, but you can start with the Penric series just fine, it doesn't spoil anything and they're fairly light reading, clocking in at between 60 and 150 pages for each novella.

Are these comfy to read?
Are they normal paperbacks or mass market paperback?

>>19957390
No, they're frustrating an annoying. Constant changes to PoV, enormous amounts of padding, a plot motivated entirely by stupidity, and plot threads that go absolutely nowhere and are never mentioned again.

>>19957399
Sorry I meant comfy to read like are the physical books comfy to read not the text

I'm looking for even more Dying Earth, but finally finished Vance 7 Wolfe with the conclusion of Short Sun.

I'm searching around and came across a few titles I haven't seen yet. Anyone read:
>Stations of the Tide by Michael Swanwick
>The Vaults of Yoh-Vombis by Clark Ashton Smith
I also ordered The Night Land which should be here soon.

Give me all your dying earth books. I'm obsessed with this genre and am running out of material to chase. I know about Michael Shea.

>>19957403
>>19957390
I don’t have those editions, but the same publisher. The ones I had were comfy. Go for your pic man.

>>19957418
I'm gonna amend my post by saying I realize the ones I mentioned are explicity dying *earth,* but I think I've charted most books in the genre and am looking for anything adjacent too.

read this
pretty easy hour read, generic tropes
MC kind of, actually nah, MC is really annoying
generic 2.5/5

>>19957269
>Magic that increases order is difficult, magic that increases chaos is easy,

sounds kinda imbalanced, some scrub could blow up a town or something because that's heckin chaotic

>>19956419
>>19955969
Sandman is not a book, but better than Bakker at least

>>19957474
Legitimately can't be done in-universe because of reasons.

I read the Stormlight Archive recently, it was so good, I wish I could erase my memory and read it again. I guess there are no comparable fantasy books? Or maybe I'm wrong? Damn, these 4 books were so pleasant... I believe I won't get such intense enjoyment from literature ever again.

>>19957498
You are wrong, it isn't good.

Any good Nordic fantasy or fairytales? I have both Eddas but not sure if there’s more than that.

>>19957546
Memory, Sorrow and Thorne
>>19957498
Stormlight Fans usually like Brent Weeks Lightbringer a lot, I have not read it yet tho.

>>19957546
unironically the silmarillion

>>19957591
>>19957602
Thank ye kindly.

>>19955885
F, I bet he had a great session in Heaven today

>>19955924
PKD

>>19956642
The Time Bender by Keith Laumer, it's pretty pulpy tho

Most red pilled writer

>>19957728
I didn’t care for the first book in the series. Should I reread it and go through the others?

>>19957739
Yes, the second book is sublime

>>19957739
You really should, The second one is the best one in the series, if you want to understand the creative power of the Bakker read the second one.

>>19957546
If you can get your hands on Bland tomtar och troll, aka Among Gnomes and Trolls, illustrated by John Bauer, it would be worth it for the images alone. The stories are also genunely nice, from what I've read in Swedish. There seems to be a book on Amazon with the stories and illustrations called An Illustrated Treasury of Swedish Folk and Fairy Tales. These are made up fairy tales, not authentic oral tradition transcribed. Translations of these exist in English, apparently. Yule-Tide Stories: A Collection of Scandinavian and North German Popular Tales and Traditions, From the Swedish, Danish, and German by Benjamin Thorpe, and Swedish fairy tales by Frithjuv Berg I found from Wikipedia. As for fantasy, Astrid Lindgren was a very popular children's author, she made multiple fantasy stories, including 'Mio, My Son', 'The Brothers Lionheart', and 'Ronia, the Robber's Daughter'. There are also the Moomins by Tove Jansson. I'm sorry I can't give you anything more adult, but these authors are loved by people of all ages. Esaias Tegnér made a reworking in poetry of Frithiof's Saga in the 1820s, maybe you can check that out.

Every time I think regular coomers are bad, some femcoomer comes along and dunks my expectations into the center of the earth. Holy fuck.

>>19957761
Hey thank you for letting me know! That’s a lot to choose from, I’ll definitely check them out. I have seen the Moomins, which I liked, but never read any books. Again, thanks for helping me out.

>>19956740
There is no fantasy writer that isn't a hack. Except for Tolkien, of course.

Anybody else find it difficult to read when a book has huge paragraphs that are spaced closely together?
I've taken to spacing every single sentence into a paragraph of its own and its made reading so much easier. Although it makes the book have way more pages.

>>19957907
Doesn’t it depend on the weightiness of the prose too?

>>19957938
Personally for me it's just the fact that the lines are so close together. The actual content doesn't really bother me.

What are the best star war books?

>>19957965
"The Darkness That Comes Before" by King Bakker

The Gods of Pegana > The Book of Wonder > The King of Elfland's Daughter

>>19957739
falling for a meme

>>19957899
of course

Wasn't bakker on a few of the charts that were posted here years ago?
What happened for bakker to suddenly become the obnoxious meme that he is?
Am I just imagining him being on the charts and he was actually never there?

>>19958004
He was on one of the charts, but it was one of those charts that everyone made a version of, like many different anons here made a top /sffg/ books chart and everyone was different.

>>19958004
There were a bunch of degenerates who spammed him ironically for a bit because of their dumb Gay Rape and Incest meme.
That lead to a bunch of idiots not realizing it was a meme, who started spamming him for months on end unironically.
That has lead to people spamming him as a false flag in order to be annoying.

In other words, Bakker is the sffg equivalent of the MLP fandom, a meme that got out of hand and actually tricked a bunch of autists into engaging with the source.

>>19957546
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson is basically Röde Orm but where mythology is real. MC is a viking babe stolen by the elves to be used as a trump card in their war against the trolls. Its final act is pure heavy metal.

Is he an insufferable pseud or a genuinely enjoyable author?

>>19958058
Hyperion is awesome, I need to reread it

What should I read next? No grimdark or homos

>>19958053
I already got it from another anon’s advice. I’ll give it a go now!

>>19955901
This quantity-over-quality guy? Anon, I am disappoint.

>>19955880
Where tierlist?

>>19957775
What the fuck is this?

>>19958112
Ilium

>>19957418
all stories written in zothique by ca smith are a precursor to the dying earth setting

>>19957418
Also, you may try planet of adventure by vance, the alien planet has the weird mix of population as in the dying earth

>>19958112
thune's vision
mask of the sorcerer

>>19958058
He's okay.
First part of Hyperion is amazing, but second one is so horrible it retroactively makes first part worse.
Ilium is not as good as first two books of Hyperion, but also not as bad as second two.

Reading garbage and trash books is unbased, you should always read non-garbage and non-trash books so you become non-unbased, then you can ascend and become non-pozzed when you finally read Bakker.

Moorcock. Where do I start with this Chad?

>>19956851
>not sure if bait or he doesn't know

So this is an isekai?

Should I read the fifth Malazan book if I thought the fourth was total dogshit but loved the first and third and thought the second was just alright?

Is it based? I remember wanting to read it ever since I read about it but the mass paperback is so ugly that I wanna save up for a first edition.

>>19958573
It's his best book, so yes.

>>19958326

>>19958649
Yeah I’m already reading it. :) I wanted to read his stuff because he sounds baysed.

>>19958642
Why is it his best?

>>19958820
Because its number 5 and number 5 is my favorite number

>>19958683
>I wanted to read his stuff because he sounds baysed.
Unbelievably so, you should check out his scifi like: Starfarers, Tau Zero, and the Harvest of Stars quadrilogy.

What series/book would put warh*mmer to shame in terms of grimdark ?

>>19958549
I really dislike how some anons want to call everything that.

>>19958820
New setting and cast (except for Trull, because it's his backstory), so he's shedding all the weak baggage he's been dragging along. It's also a strong self-contained greek like tragedy with much clearer (and today-relevant) themes being explored. It's also the first time he's really funny, for as much as he's been trying before.

This is a GOOD BOOK

>>19958976
Tolkien is Hard Gay pilled

>>19959124
sell it on me

>>19959133
there is demons and a god

>>19959141
who do we follow
are there any "female perspectives" in it?

>>19959124
>>19959133

No it isn't, you know how game artist who usually design the art of characters, items, and environment go and make their own game and it ends up being a mess, a good looking mess at that. The same goes for this book.

>>19959144
>"female perspectives" in it?
There is a small female statue on the cover, so its probably POZZED!

>>19958932
Alright, sold. Thanks

Any sci-fi books with heavy focus on ship to ship combat? Not massive fleets that are being blown away by the dozens, but more personal and focused on the captains or crewmembers in a one on one conflict. The benchmark I'm looking for is Star Trek's Balance of Terror, although I'm also fine with something less about suspense and strategy with more action.

>>19957965
the star wars books for children are probably better than the ones for adults from what I recall, but you're surely to old for them anyway

>>19956739
he worked hard, he was very imaginative, and the Discworld books are mostly pretty short

>>19957965
Why would you read star wars books? It's an incredibly incredibly SMALL universe. It's shallow and always boils down to the same thing over and over. Star Wars writes you into a corner.

Recommend non-SMALL universes?

>>19959491
As a redditor, i take offense to this.

>>19959497
King Bakker

>>19959491
Yea yea we all watched Red Letter Media. It's a fun setting when not handled by total hacks - just see the KOTOR games.

>>19957965
I've heard the Thrawn and X-wing series are the best but I never gave them a shot.

>>19959512
You just supported my evidence anon, KOTOR is the same fucking story as the first Star Wars LMAO

Fun settings are pozzed and ubased, read non-fun settings if you want to be a /sffg/ citizen.

Star Wars is Harry Potter for boys.

I'm glad review anon is reading so many of these books and posting reviews.

Do any of the Dune books provide perspective on the lives of people who aren't nobles or directly affiliated with them? Even Legendarium gives us an idea of what people do for a living. I get that an average wagie isn't likely to matter in a world with ZERO social mobility for over twenty thousand years, but there must be more to the world than The Chosen One and his cousins.

>>19959535
Choice of magic is not isekai.

>>19959540
He's admitted it's a shitpost chart. God forbid anything of quality come out of this cesspool.

>>19959538
As much as Dune is a commentary on humanity, it fucking sucks at providing any interest to an individual or commoner. You get a few glimpses of common people in Fremen society, but for the most part I never really got a REAL sense of commoners until Heretics of Dune.

>>19959526
Kotor 1 is consciously classic Star Wars but even so had huge differences from the original (to be fair often just to better adhere to Bioware's own formula), but 2 which is generally even better regarded was a huge inversion ya goofball.

>>19959542
Hidden tower is good.

>>19959530
leave

>>19959526
>>19959556
KotoR should be condemned for taking a big stinky shit all over Tales of the Jedi.

>>19959572
leaving is pozzed

Anything else like Karl Edward Wagners Kane novels?

>>19959635
Nice muscles, looks very hard and hot, they don't make art like that no more, its just w*men instead of hard men.

>>19959635
literally nothing
been a fan of kane for a while now and found nothing that rivals kane.
my advice is to read his horror stories. they go to shit in the mid 80's when he really stated becoming an alcoholic but they're still alright. there's the weird west adrian becker stories whose a descendent of kane so they're semi related

>>19958004
>obnoxious meme
Being a 'meme' would imply it is a widely shared joke, and not annoying spam from a single turboautist redditor

>>19958326
Elric.

>>19959635
There is nothing like that no more, nothing with nice hard men with thick thighs and beefy hands, just w*men protags and pozzed cucks.

Have any of you heathens read pic rel? Just finished it last night. Very fun very comfy very cozy.

>>19959540
Where is Choice of Magic, shitposting spam anon?

>>19959698
It's utter shit.
Premises is basically "the boys met up for one last job". Of course the author had to go out of his way to mention the wizard was a faggot that liked to get buggered among other things.
Entire book was one large slog.

Recommend non-utter shit books?

>>19959757
Prince Of Nothing by Bakker

Is this the second best fantasy series after LOTR?

>>19959811
I would argue discworld is better

Is this the second best non-discworld fantasy series after LOTR?

>>19959839
No its utter shit.
Premises is basically "boobs better than cocks". Of course the author loves boobs more than cocks and had to go out of his way to make boobs rule over cocks.
Even if boobs fuck things up and its amusing, the books are utter garbage.

Are Worm or Twig any good? I read a bit of Pact, but it was a complete slog and didn't manage to hook me at all. Are all the author's work like this?

I thought reading lotr after already seeing the movies would just be retreading old ground, but it's bretty enjoyable.

Does the 6th DUNE book give a satisfactory ending or should I get the two more books made by Herbert's son? im currently finishing Children of Dune

>>19960000
Write your own headcanon after Chapterhouse.

>>19960008
>tfw stopped after finishing heretics and just read the plot summary of chapterhouse on wiki
come at me

>>19960000
Look nice quads, but are you asking about if you should buy Hunters and Sandworms without having gotten to Chapterhouse yet?

I have finished BotNS and want to start malazan. Are they on the same level? Is prose any good?

>>19960025
>but are you asking about if you should buy Hunters and Sandworms without having gotten to Chapterhouse yet?
umm.. yeah I guess, it just came to my attention before I finished them, so Im asking in advance since where im living it takes quite some time to get the books in english

>>19955880
>Beth and Fran spend their days traveling the ravaged New England coast, hunting feral men and harvesting their organs.

>must navigate murderous TERFs, a sociopathic billionaire bunker brat, and awkward relationship dynamics―all while outrunning packs of feral men

>powerful response to every gender-based apocalypse story that failed to consider the existence of transgender and non-binary people

>>19960044
They are the worst books I've ever read. They didn't ruin Frank's work because the books don't even feel like Dune other than the use of Dune nouns. The prose is atrocious. Stop at chapterhouse.

can you guys stop talking about fantasy for one single fucking second and recommend me the first great scifi book that comes to your mind and say why you liked it

>>19960108

>>19960108
the demon princes by jack vance
they're comfy.

>>19960108
The Martian Chronicles and R is for Rocket both by Ray Bradbury. They make me feel alive.

>>19960000
I've heard nothing good about Brian Herbert, and Chapterhouse ends on a cliffhanger.

>>19959133
Short epic drama about survivor's of Lucifer's little tantrum, now trapped in hell.

Extremely triggered that Lucifer was right, they take on the role of punishers of hells souls.

Then our protag decides he had enough suffering for lucifer's sake.

>>19959144
yes but there's not a single char that doesn't deserve being in the pit.

The money of Moria!

>>19960194
once I finish chapterhouse, is there a generally agreed upon head cannon ? I dont mind if it's from reddit or four channel, as long as I get believable closure

>>19960056
If there is an apocalypse, the trans wouldn't be able to order their hormones from amazon, do breast implants, or cut off their dicks. I don't see how this book works

The use of the word 'phallus' in Bakker's saga
>TDTCB: 8
>TWP: 7
>TTT: 5
>TJE: 4
>WLW: 6
>TGO: 3
>TUC: 5

>>19957965
Thrawn Trilogy.
Bane of the Sith trilogy. Or really just the first book.
Darth Plageuis book.
There was another generally recognized to be good trilogy of books i'll have to ask the SW because I can't remember it for my life.

On it's own the only lit worthwhile book is Thrawn. The rest read only if you enjoy Star Wars as a franchise. It's all YA oriented, before Filoni taught LucasArts you could do both YA and epic/introspective shit.

>>19960000
man it would be pretty neat to have a pet anthropomorphic frog

>>19960291
who is Bakker and why should I care? is there magic?

>>19960302
Not that anon-I read the comic book version of the first Thrawn book and thought it was very OK. Is it really the very best Star Wars book out there?
I've also heard Death Troopers is pretty good.
I remember liking some of the Jude Watson books as a kid. Seemed like some of them had better stories than Thrawn.

>>19959839
>second best non-discworld fantasy series
couldn't you have more simply said "third best fantasy series"?

If you don't read font size 1 on your ereader, you are a bitch nigga.

>>19960388
I read physical books, what kinda nigga am I?

Prose extract from God's Demon to those unconvinced.

>>19960369
>Is it really the very best Star Wars book out there?
Pretty much.

Every excerpt of other books i've read has some of the most mind-numbing prose out there, even if the plot's good.
Quality wise, (some select) comics beat most books ten ways to sunday. And for the last 10 years animation + live action has been the most relevant star wars things released. The higlights of Rebels and The Clone Wars animated series have more or less reinvented the franchise.

>>19960388
>owning ereader
Sorry my asshole is not gaping and leaking cum, I read on a smartphone

>>19960440
>I rape my eyes on a regular basis on an objectively inferior device
>That'll show him!
lmao

>>19960388
I read libgen downloads on SumatraPDF with 2 page spread.

>>19960422
>Prose extract from God's Demon to those unconvinced
So it's Paradise Lost for dumb people?

>>19960291
Interesting

>>19960388
i only read books on wikisource on my 3g ipod touch

>>19960349

>>19959672
Surprise the mods haven’t already ban him for spamming.

>>19960487
She seems rustled.

>>19960487
>I ask for info on book
>anon posts YLYL
>I lose

>>19960487
This post is womanish.

The bakkerfag is spamming again.

>>19960452
Demons don't repent in paradise lost you dumb fag

>>19960526
Has anyone read A Memory Called Empire?

>>19960487
Faggot weeper female is rustled by her womanish emotions.
The breaker of horses and men will teach her pucci tonight what her place is.

>>19955960
I wanted to give a go at this guy eventually but you being obnoxious here is slightly putting me off of it

>>19960669
You sound womanish.

Any zombie apocalypse stories that present zombies as God's cleansing fire purging a corrupt world?

>>19960732
You can try The Strain Trilogy by Del Toro. It has angelic and undead together.
You might like it.

>>19959535
I've finished Hidden Tower. On one hand, I think the writing wasn't the best, because dramatic or important scenes seemed rather lacklustre and barely fleshed out. They were over before they had an impact. Otto (Otto?!?! Who calles his MC Otto?) got powerful real fast, without any sense of development and his transformation from someone who got beaten up by his father and brother to someone who thinks up the big plots wasn't very believeable, either.
The magic system was interesting, though.
No idea if I would continue, there's potential, but it wasn't the most enjoyable read. I'd probably give it a 2.5/5.

>>19960777
Keep reading, later books get better.

>>19960180
>R is for Rocket
thanks looks cool

also fucking based
>How does the story of Fahrenheit 451 stand up in 1994?
R.B.: It works even better because we have political correctness now. Political correctness is the real enemy these days. The black groups want to control our thinking and you can't say certain things. The homosexual groups don't want you to criticize them. It's thought control and freedom of speech control.[50]

>>19960798
Maybe another time. I've started Sabriel today, because another anon recced it all the time.

>>19959698
It was fine, nothing special. Everybody talked about how it is a really funny book but the humour in the book was cringey.

Anyone read anything good from this year/end of last yet? I've been reading xianxia so haven't followed new releases for the first time in a while

>>19961099
rec me some xianxia. I don't have anything for you, though

>>19961099
>>19959535

>>19961099
That doesn't mean you'd like it though.

>>19960559
>>/lit/thread/S16556872#p16556881

>>19961198
Thank you

>>19961154
The Path Toward Heaven is good, Cultivation Group Chat is good comedy. I've been mainly reading I Don’t Want To Defy The Heavens which is again comedy and pretty one note (protag pisses people off them humiliates them) with the odd high note of absurditiy every now and then.
Divine Throne of Primordial Blood, is the only one I've stopped outside of the obvious recs which I might go back to. DESU too much of the genre is just ruined by cheat items and scaling which is why I've been more into comedy.
A Western take on comedy/subversion which is pretty good is Beware of Chicken but it's basically just slice of life and as I've caught up to publication pace it feels like it might be running out of things to do with the concept.
>>19961167
>ask about new releases
>post a jpeg with books from 1998, 2004 and 1991 on it

>>19961292
There are books from 2021 and 2022 on it too
I see you just want to nitpick.

>>19961154
The Human Emperor is definitely in the A tier.

>>19960445
To this day nobody was able to coherently formulate what is it exactly that is so bad for your precious eyesight that happens when you stare at a phone screen

Why do people pretend they can have an opinion on books they haven’t read (and why are they women?) This is actually what filtering is.

>>19961403
reviewer culture means you need to be active so dropping books and reviewing them is encouraged

also colour of magic is a bit of a confusing mess to start reading, if you aren't familiar with all the stuff being parodied it's just awkward to read. There's a reason Pratchett changed his style from Equal Rites and stuck to it

>>19961403
Discworld is too self-aware for some desu

>>19961267
You're welcome.

>>19960559
Yeah I read it, it’s alright.

I like the twisted or dark fairy tale type feel of Dark Souls lore, if you see what I mean. I don't want to read something gritty and edgy, just dark in that fairy tale way, like I said. Is there anything like that? I'm running out of wiki pages and lore videos to watch, and I'd prefer stories to explanations of stories.

>>19961608
The difference between this kind of dark fantasy and the typical Grimdark edgefests is that there's always that undercurrent of Hope in the plot. In Dark Souls, even if the flame goes out, it will come again in a new age.
This has its basis in Buddhist philosophy, the long and short of it is that death and endings aren't bad things, they're actually necessary. Immortality ultimately leads to an accumulation of negative karma which turns you into a monster (a huge theme in Sekiro). Death is the ultimate cleansing, allowing that negative karma to be negated, so you can be reborn pure.

Berserk is commonly compared, and it does have a lot of the same themes, but it's also much heavier on the western philosophies. Miura was all about Nietzsche.

>>19961608
Have you read the Brothers Grimm? They’re brutal in the original.

>>19961627
Interesting post. I've watched Berserk before.
>>19961682
I have, although they're not really what I'm thinking about. Mostly it's in a superficial way, in that they're not about heroes and demons and so on, but there's also not much of the undercurrent of tragedy from what I remember of the stories.

I really like trolls, especially Scandinavian ones.

Do I read Elric in order? If so, do I go by chronological or publication date?

>>19961860
Internal chronological order is fine for pretty much every S+S series
Just with Elric you have to bear in mind that the first chronological stuff is basically prequel

>>19957418
Any other recs?

>>19958200
>>19958194
I actually read planet of adventure. I liked it but unlike Wolfe it's easy for me to slip out of my immersion and start chuckling at how he structures his plots to solve his own problems. Like the whole setup of emblem men just so he can get his first foot in and quickly rise to power within a faction. Still treasured it overall because I don't think I'll ever get vance's witty dialogue.

As for Zothique those are on my list I just haven't come across a copy yet. I'm about to start on Viriconium. Thanks anons.

>>19961860
Reading Order:
Elric of Melnibone
The Sailor On The Seas Of Fate
The Weird of the White Wolf
The Vanishing Tower
The Bane of the Black Sword
Stormbringer
The Fortress of the Pearl
The Revenge of the Rose
The Sleeping Sorceress
(The Jade Mans Eyes) -> I don't even own this but IIRC it slots here
Elric At The End of Time

>>19961912
how do I get a kenshi gf haha

>>19957418
Stations of the Tide is brilliant, one of the best books I've read

>>19961830
in that case, what would you recommend reading with good troll content?

>>19958058
"EH" Hyperion had me hooked until Fall of Hyperion shoved all that cyber Keats shit down my throat and depicted the Ousters or w/e as full-blown otherkin cringe with butterfly wings and shit stopped there.

I hated Song of Kali the first time I read it but actually enjoyed it upon rereading several years later... The Terror TV was shit... sooo....

>>19961960
So far, the Eddas and Broken Sword, but I'm going to go get some more troll stories.

>>>/sffg/ thread is 90% bakkerfag and sandersoi spamming or fighting over those two faggots

This general is fucking dead

new thread WHEN?

>>19962059
Be the change you want to see.

dead thread

New
>>19962339
>>19962339
>>19962339

>>19962343
we're not at pump limit

>>19962343
Yeah, at 40 posts to go that's a really awkward time to make a new thread, yours might even die before this one.

>>19962079
>>19962343
Bump limit is 310, you dumbfuck.

>>19962347
>>19962358
>>19962364
You weren't even discussing anything but I guess you bumped this thread now.

>>19962372
>discussing anything
Tell me how I know you're a newfag -_-

>>19962383
I've been here since 2016 and on 4chan since 2013 or so. I wish I never came because you're all the same. Fag is the most boring, predictable "insult".

I finished my book last night and I'm going to bed soon but I don't know what to read.

Can someone give me a recommendation? Normally I don't have much difficulty choosing, but I'm drawing a blank here. No Bakker or Gene Wolfe please I've already read most of their stuff. Preferably something before the 90's too.

I finished Consider Phlebas. To the anon who wanted to know my thoughts, it really hooked me in just before the halfway mark after the MC gets isolated from his crew on the orbital ring. Then the A Game of Damage chapter wowed me and made me anxious to finish the book so I could move into the next one. Like I said last time, he writes action really well and there's quite a bit in the second half. Surprisingly endearing ending too. I'm pretty hyped to get to Player of Games tomorrow and hopefully there will be less cock teasing about life in the culture.

>>19962401
>I've *lies* been using fucking 4chan for less than a decade starting in the mid 2000s and I still cry about the suffix 'fag'
newfag

>>19962401

>>19961946
>>19961860

I'm almost sure Stormbringer is the last one. I've read somewhere Moorcock said you only need it as last and "Elric of Melnibone" as the beginning; I had a lot of fun charting the right order on the internet.

>>19962410
>2013
>mid 2000s
You belong in /sffg/ because you can't into numbers.

ye olde halcyon years of 2013 when /sffg/ was good

>>19962432
Nah, I bet he's just an oldfag who still instincutally feels like 200X was less than ten years ago.

>>19962447
tfw using 4chan more than half my life

>>19962462
I am curious as to what role this knowledge will play in my own not-too-distant mid life crisis.

>>19962474
I not a NEET and have a "normal" life so it's more just like "fuck its really been that long". I don't use any other websites except to watch videos or pirate

>>19962506
I am a neet and I've been on 4chan half my life

>>19962515
i graduated HS, got an undergrad and grad degree, went back to NEETdom and became a wizard, all since i began 4channing
wew lads

>>19962506
>"fuck its really been that long"
I have moments like this all too often these days.
Like I have a cousin who is the same age as me who's kid just got a girl pregnant.
Now it's a teenage parenthood deal both generations, but still! That kid was born after I became an adult!

>>19962528
I started using 4chan in 2005, graduated highschool in 2009, dropped out of college, spent almost a decade doing every psychedelic drug with a name and going to hippie shows with my big tiddy goth gf from highschool who I married in 2017, burned through all of my circles of retarded hippie and drugfag friends, had a kid, lost a business to covid, moved 1500 miles away and have another kid on the way

>>19962443
/sffg/ has degraded because the whole fantasy genre has degraded. it was inevitable.

>>19962548
how can you be such a fucking loser and have a gf...i guess this is the power of half decent looks.

>>19962564
what did he mean by this?

>>19962564
You probably don't know how to have fun.
>>19962548
What are your favourite psychedelic fantasy/sci fi books? Have you seen Rene Laloux movies?
>>19962528
I did the same but I'm going back to uni this year for a vocational degree, hopefully I get a job so I can buy more books (my dole was cut off).

>>19962592
I haven't read a lot of sci-fi/fantasy since I was in college, the 2010s was my muh classics and pomo phase but I'm the guy who's reading the culture series now and it seems promising. I have seen Fantastic Planet and it truly is fantastic. It's not exactly SFFG but the books of blood stories by clive barker are very creative and, dare I say it, trippy. It's just mostly horror.

Oh you know what, Weaveworld, also by clivebarker. Yep, Weaveworld. That fits the bill.

>>19960291
now do "black seed" and "tumescent"

>>19962592
I'd like to get a doctorate for funsies but I don't have research experience and nobody is willing to help me. I can't afford to go back to school otherwise even though I enjoy learning, albeit academia being what it is.

>>19962659
>I'd like to get a doctorate for funsies
Go to a phish concert, have a few drinks (this is is crucial if you haven't ever done the next step) and buy one hit of LSD

>>19962674
I did LSD once a weekend for several weekends during my first and second semesters of my masters.
>get drunk before LSD
why would you ever advise this

>>19962659
>I'd like to get a doctorate
I tried and failed, but my school was very snooty and upper class when I'm not. My supervisor was kinda disgusted I still lived with my parents in my early twenties, but I've never had a FTE job (being in uni for like 5 years straight at the time). That really sucks about not being able to find anyone to help. Can you try get published in lower end journals and try to claim that you have experience for it? I found it easy to sell yourself as an expert on a niche subject and people will ask you to write for them. Also, just go to a lower uni as they'll likely take you over, say, Oxbridge or Ivy League.
>I can't afford to go back to school otherwise
If you can move, Australia has government-funded stipends even for international students, I think. You might need to go audit some classes first or something to see if you're a good fit. There's plenty of jobs for backpackers and international students, like fruit picking and hospitality if you just want to try it out and have low effort work to fund it.
>I enjoy learning, albeit academia being what it is.
Same here, man, I think academia is entirely rotten and parasitic, even if I planned on being a professor to fund my autistic research interests. But I'm glad I'm out of it, because my professors were really snobby and disconnected from real life. They also looked down on based SF/F which I think is misguided.

>>19962693
>why would you ever advise this
because phish draws a crowd of up to 20k people and it's fun to talk to them, if you haven't done acid dozens/hundreds of times and are still caught up in being mind blown the environment likely will not actually be fun.

>>19962706
>my school was very snooty and upper class when I'm not
I got that impression too from some of the professors I interacted with (like the one I worked with during my thesis blaming me for not finding research opportunities during the past 2 years, while he lives on 5 acres of waterfront land not having to work to survive). He did admittedly help me with a connect only due to the person being his literal neighbor but our research was never completed/went anywhere and I haven't heard from her since covid began. My undergrad professor who was a big help during undergrad is poor at communication and never gets back to me about anything.
>I want you to get your doctorate!
>blows smoke up my ass about having research I can help with but never calls me or gives me any details
>complains about fucking Trump the last two times I saw her in person
I have a number of research ideas I'd love to try but no help and no funds/resources on my own end. I'm a povertyfag and stuck at home because I can't find a job that would pay rent. It's bad and I hope I die soon.

>>19962736
You could die or you could read more books.

>>19962706
>snooty professors
Oh also I had a professor outright ask me why I wasn't as "ambitious" as <specific female in my cohort> and I regret not telling her to fuck off. Only professor I ever interacted with to blatantly play favorites.
Honestly it runs through my head too often daily because I'm a fucking NEET and I hate it.
>>19962752
I've been reading 80+ a year consistently, probably more like 90 since I can't track everything, for the past three years since I've been keeping a record.

>>19961403
First one is objectively correct. 2nd one is an argument for Calvinism.

>>19962780
Anon, he posted them so he can get praised by being smarter than them.

>>19962736
LSD guy here, one of the guys I used to party with had parents who let us crash at his house for NYC shows. His dad is a professor of anthropology at NYU and goes on TV to disprove bigfoot on shows like ancient aliens (yes, really). He is covered head to toe in tattoos of things like WWII ships fighting star wars ships. Pic very much related

New thread
>>19962803

>>19962792
Think he bit off more than he could chew.

>>19962767
She sounds like a bitch.
>Honestly it runs through my head too often daily because I'm a fucking NEET and I hate it.
Hey, same here, I always think about how my professor used to imply I was stupid for not having finished my high school (I did graduate but I dropped a STEM subject, so I needed to do an entrance exam, which I did well in) but I could never bring myself to talk back to him. My only way to have revenge was to drop out and write a scathing report on what he was like, but I doubt anyone cared (because that's kinda cowardly and gay).
>I've been reading 80+ a year consistently, probably more like 90 since I can't track everything, for the past three years since I've been keeping a record.
That's a lot. I'm aiming for 60+ this year, but your high consistency is based.

>>19962820
You see it a lot around /lit/ now.

>>19962841
That was during the same conversation where she told me that I may be a bad fit for the program and asked what my plan B was because I was one of seven (7) students who dropped the shitty required maths course that the Chair was teaching and
>giving different equations to the two different classes
>telling us to get a job where you'll make a lot of money because you'll never find a job where you're happy
etc. stressed out womyn confusing shit.
Then two years later when most of us are finally presenting our thesis posters at the in-school conference, she brings up how <specific female student> had 3 posters going.
Maybe if I didn't have to work 4-9a 6 days a week to pay rent, before I even visited campus to run participants, I could have created a second experiment at least.
Just stupid fucking absent-minded head-in-clouds retardation.
>scathing report
Yeah I've thought about not-recommending the program but the only medium I know of is the school's fb students page and that's kinda gay plus I nuked my account.

>>19961860
Just remember to finish it by reading the DC Comics series written by him.

>>19963672
Is it any good? I know some of the omnibuses have graphic novel without the images, but I wasn't sure if I'd enjoy them.

>>19963781
>Is it any good?
It's the true ending of the Elric Saga.
And yes, I liked it so much I'm still pissed there's not a book version of it.

>>19960526
>Ranking Red Rising at a C
Meet me in the parking lot after school mother fucker. We're gonna throw down.