/lit/ - Literature

>>19932554
Aristotle is probably the most discussed person in intellectual circles in the history of mankind.

>Does Aristotle suck?
He is Plato, but better.

>>19932554
>muh math muh science!
He is the bugman version of Plato (sometimes)

He fucking sucks and couldn't write to save his life. I hate him so much.

>>19932554
Because most of his ideas have been improved/surpassed or made obsolete. Being an empiricist, logician and more-or-less materialist in antiquity pretty much guarantees your irrelevance in a few thousand years--not leastly because many of the inheritors of his legacies don't give a shit about the history of their field of study.

>>19932554
He has good ideas and bad ideas
Good
>Happiness is attained through finding the flow state in deep concentration on a task you love
>The most practical thing in life is a good attitude, as it precedes almost all good activity

Bad
>Children and slaves can not feel happiness
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>le women bad

>>19932766
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>le women bad

Based

I went to an Aristotle conference on metaphysics recently, it was the most boring philology nonsense I had ever had to sit through, literally 8 hours of academics arguing philology and what exactly Aristotle meant in sigma 4 or theta 2 and they all disagreed on everything anyway.
I haven't touched Aristotle since....

>>19932554
He established the categories. You say "what categories?" Yeah, those categories.

>>19932766
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>le women bad
Aristotle sounds based af

>>19932766
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>le women bad
Where is the problem?.

>>19932554
he doesn't suck but he's certainly less fun than Plato.

Virtue ethics is based as fuck but his writing is drier than a spoonful of flour

>>19932766
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>le women bad
Sir you seem to have mistakenly put these in the "bad" section

>>19932554
Aristotle was a retarded finitist. His metaphysics is laughable, and a shoddy support for his ethics, which are the only thing of note in his corpus, other than his short detours into formal logic.
Plato is more insightful in general, even when he's wrong. Or seemingly wrong. Plus, the dialogues are actually fun to read.

>>19932804
You mean those ad-hoc labels that he had to sneak into his metaphysics because he was too much of a faggot to admit that Plato's understanding categories (forms) are better?
Yet another case of "fuck you da.. I mean teacher!".

>>19933239
>Plato's understanding categories (forms) are better
Fuck me: Plato's understanding of categories (forms) and his (albeit incomplete) conceptualization of them are better.

* I accidentally the whole sentence.

>>19932789
>>19932863
>>19932867
>>19933139
If you advocate for slavery, why don't you become one?

>>19933408
They are slaves.

>>19933408
Why would anyone who isn't a women want to be a slave? I'm not arguing for MY enslavement, silly.

>>19932766
>>Children and slaves can not feel happiness
>>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>>le women bad
Based

>>19932554
Plato is the father of ignorance, Aristotle that of knowledge.
Ignorance is more widespread than knowledge so of course its father is more talkd about.

I think both he and plato are overrated. As much as people circle jerk themselves over these guys, their ideas seem like common sense most of the time.

>>19932766
Based post, ignore the people who dislike it, they do not know the reality of the world.

>>19934000
it's also hard to be happy if you are ugly

>>19934011
Aristotle was a platonist.

>>19932766
>Happiness is attained through finding the flow state in deep concentration on a task you love
Where does he mention this?

Did Aristotle teach Alexander his own philosophy? Or other philosophies, like Platonism and pre-Socratic stuff?

>>19934323
I think he taught him basic stuff, and when Alexander was out on his expeditions he lost a lot of respect for Aristotle because he saw firsthand how the world was very different from what Aristotle described.

>>19934323
The usual thought is yes but it's an ancient matter of dispute how much of Alexandrian ideology came from Aristotle. It is notably weird how speculative and experimental Alexander's plans to unite his domains and intermarry his subjects were, it seems like he had a philosophy. I would search google books for Alexander's ideology aristotle and see what keyword heavy pages come up.

>>19934080
>their ideas seem like common sense most of the time.
Truth tends to have that quality.

>>19934323
>>19934759
>>19934773
Aristotle potentiated. Alexander acted.

>>19934909
Also, this>>19934759

When you see things, an idea here, a concept there, a thing here, things there, a network of ideas and things here, a network of groups and concepts and interacting things there; clearly and truthfully and you cannot falsify that vision and understanding; it is difficult to produce your mind vision of self and world in those degrees to those circumstances it was prior. One in those modes incarnates as truth, one becomes truth in relation to those circumstances, truth becomes one.

>>19933408
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
Just how fucking dull are you?

>>19932554
His metaphysics are great, he has established so many notions that are still used today to talk about philosphy. The content of course is arguable, but the modes of thinking/points of view he introduced was more influencial than Plato in my opinion.
His works on logic and analytics was a necessary foundation/starting point, similarly his works on aesthetics, his science stuff is outdated of course and I personally do not care at all about his politics/ethics.

>>19932554
He doesn't have accessible works, unlike Plato, so he isn't discussed as much by plebs. He is probably discussed a lot more in philosophical discussion, partly because medieval Christian and Islamic philosophy was heavily dependent on him.

>>19932766
>>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>>le women bad
Imagine all the based takes we'd have if we had all his writings, the world we would live in.

>>19932554
>>19932766
He has good ideas and bad ideas
Good
>Children and slaves can not feel happiness
>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>Women are stupid.
Bad
>Happiness is attained through finding the flow state in deep concentration on a task you love
>The most practical thing in life is a good attitude, as it precedes almost all good activity

>>19932554
Aristotle is mediocre, rather secondary in his ideas to philosophical discourse, particularly academic discourse. His metaphysics is secondary to Plato's metaphysics, his idea about the elements lost to atomism, his political ideas are merely not interesting for the modern political discourse, his moral philosophy is very ordinary. Aristotle is totally mediocre and his unpopularity comes directly from the banality of his ideas. The only thing in which he was useful was in medieval scholasticism.

>>19934901
doughnuts have holes in the middle.

>>19933408
Do you advocate for doctors, ministers, mechanics, plumbers, electrician, fast food workers, prostitutes, Chinese people, railroad workers, marine biologists, floor sweepers, hitmen, brain surgeons, rocket scientists, kings, mailmen, pizza delivery boys, hotdog stand salesmen, toilet cleaners, maids, tow truck drivers, policewomen, army helocopter pilots, sweatshop workers, CEOs, sewer mechanics, etc. then why don't you become all those things?

>>19935297
how do i become chineese people?

He's literally called THE PHILOSOPHER. Are you retarded?

>>19935297
I would be willing to try those positions in life for a full year each. Not saying I COULD pull off those jobs, but they are all a far better state of being then a slave. Would you go a year as a slave anon?

>>19932794
Sounds based, stay filtered anitranny.

>>19933408
If you advocate for LGBT right, why don't you go get fucked in the ass

>>19935093
Based

>>19932554
its because Plato's dialogues are easier to read. Aristotle reportedly also wrote dialogues, but those have been lost. we only have his lecture notes essentially.
even then Aristotle has been insanely influential and insanely important, and the secondary literature for say, commentaries on de anima are similarly saturated as commentaries on any of Plato's dialogues.

>>19935602
How about working on any of those positions as a slave?

>>19935858
>"Aristotle on Seed" written by Jessica Seedgobbler
kek

>>19935955
>Jessica Seedgobbler
why did i laugh

>>19932575
You can say this about science but maths and actual logic are not for bugmen, autists maybe but maths and logic usually filter midwits.

>>19932789
see it think you a retard because you, I, and everyone else on here are born slaves, 4chan is riddled with weak genes and a slave mindset.

>>19932766
bait

>>19936837
no, the people saying its based mean it, some of them recognize that they would be slaves and they would accept it. Theres order in this form in the world, you would make a wonderful slave.

>>19936858
And you?
If there are people on here who are actually willing to become slaves or feudal peasants to see that system come to fruition I can at least respect that but a lot of them unironically think they would have been patricians if they were born 2000 years ago.

>>19936956
Well, I come from a wealthy patrician bloodline lmao so, BUT dont be so quick to sell your own self out, you seem aware enough, you may not have been a slave, or at least have gotten yourself out of it somehow.

>>19932593
Aristotle's logic is so good even Kant said nothing more needs to be invented in logic after him

>>19937411
Kant said a lot of things

>>19937411
Kant had no problems with syllogisms, but did have a problem with Aristotle's categories. Likewise, Hegel thought that Aristotle's treatise on the soul was the best work ever written on how the mind works, even though he thoroughly disagreed with him in regards to how the truth is discovered and what the nature of the universe is.

>>19932794
>Animeposter
>Dumb take
Classic

>>19932554
>Does Aristotle suck?
No
>Why don't people talk about him as much as Plato?
They don't? Aristotle is AT LEAST one of the 3 or 4 most influential philosophers who ever lived, and a good argument for number 1. We're not talking about, like, Philodemus of Gara here.
>If he doesn't stuck, what are some of his best ideas?
I would say his ethics has aged better than anything Plato ever wrote. Aristotelian virtue ethics is a prominent system in moral philosophy today and arguably increasing in influence. His rhetoric is still a major perspective in that field. The Poetics is used to train Hollywood screenwriters. And there's still much interesting material in Aristotle's Politics.

>>19932565
fpbp /thread

There are people who think they understand Heidegger despite not having read Aristotle. Sad.

>>19934323
Did he fuck Alexander in the ass bros?

>>19932565
Plato was literally retarded

>>19939908
>t. Literal retard

>>19932575
>>19936812
both twitterlarpers

>>19941188
Larping how?

>>19932766
>Bad
>>Children and slaves can not feel happiness
>>Some people are born to be slaves and this is a good thing
>>le women bad
>bad
You have to go back.

>>19941655
>le bad
Redditor detected

>>19932554
He was thoroughly trounced with the advent of modern philosophy. Playdough on the other hand is full of magical thinking which enables mathcels to pretend numbers aren't anything but a lexical contrivance, ensuring his continued relevance.