/lit/ - Literature

>>19931343
I hate women because they are not the idealized 2D waifus I want them to be.

>>19931343
Wetlands by Charlotte Roche

I love women so much

>>19932654
I know....

how do they do it, bros

Women are so amazing, I don't even care if they have zero children and let their race die out. It was worth it to see them happy, living in freedom and expressing themselves.

>>19932850
women are just so nice. I really like being near them. Having a relaxed conversation with them is soothing and makes me feel peaceful. Making them laugh makes me happy. When hanging out with a woman I like and she keeps looking at me even though I’m not saying it doing anything, and sometimes gently smiles, I forgot all my troubles and I feel cared for. I love women so much.

>>19931343
>There's a reason they occupy 90% of male brain and I need to get to the bottom of why.
you just want to have sex like any other animal + testosterone. not even trying to be edgy
>>19931387
this

Slouching Towards Bethlehem

>>19932921
when they grab your arm and walk with you...

bros...

I hate women so much it's unreal

ITT: people who are not married

>>19932978
cope

>>19931343
>There's a reason they occupy 90% of male brain
They don't, unless you're a teenage kid full of hormones.

Adult men don't really think of women that much. We've understood their mediocrity and pointlessness. We might get one anyway just to distract ourselves from the void, but we don't spend 90% of our time thinking about them. Not even 5%.

>>19932995
>Adult men don't really think of women that much
You've obviously never met a good women. Try improving yourself rather than being caught in perpetual cope.

Anna Karenina

>>19931343
Better civilisations have paid attention to a more refined kind of beauty

>>19931343

https://archived.moe/lit/thread/19868965/#19868973

A quiz I posted a couple of weeks back. 100 depictions of women in literature. I can't say the response was overwhelming.

>>19933220
That's not discussion. Try discussing literature next time.

>>19933003
>You've obviously never met a good women.
No one has.

>>19933333
Checked

>>19931343
I think I'm quite gay, but I'm not the kind of gay who idolises certain female artists or singers or acts womanly or has lots of girlfriends or anything like that. I just don't seem to register women as much as men. My favourite people are men, my favourite authors and artists are men, my friends are men, I like men, etc. I guess my personality is more feminine because I'm into reading and literature and have lots of emotions, but my tastes in literature are quite stereotypically 'male'. I don't hate women either, I just don't get why other people fuss over them and idealise them so much.

>>19933341
Thinking about women is like thinking deeply about a bag of sand. There is nothing to think about, therefore nothing to despise.

>>19933003
>try improving yourself
For what? I don't think of them actively, I have more important things to do. Maybe consider why you are obsessing over these temporary relationships, friend.

>>19931343
Puta

>this thread again

>>19931343
You are just horny, enough masturbation should put your mind to ease. At least for a moment you would be able to see the true colors

>>19931343
>In joy and gladness to bear the thing conceived, this is the deed of Woman,—and to work deeds the woman only needs to be entirely what she is, but in no way to will something: for she can will but one thing—to be a woman! To man, therefore, woman is the ever clear and cognisable measure of natural infallibility, (Untrüglichkeit), for she is at her perfectest when she never quits the sphere of beautiful Instinctiveness (Unwillkürlichkeit).

>>19932995
Yeah, fully grown developed adult man who already had a relation or some casual sex before. For an incel is a eternal curse, he will forever struggle with it since its something so far away from him. Unless we change the definition of adult, is not entirely true, since so many boys who are stuck mentally on their teenage years have grown to be 20 even 30 and still incels.

>>19932654
Same, desu. The older I get, the harder it is for me to not hold misandrist opinions even though I’d ideally not want to hold those opinions. I say this as a bisexual male.

>>19932921
I feel I “get” women more if that makes sense. A lot of men intimidate me with their hypersexuality and also the fact that I’ve just had alot of shitty experiences with men throughout my life. Obviously, there are good guys out there, it’s just that I find women significantly easier to get along with and have a civil conversation with, and women have always been there for me throughout my life where as a lot of men have just left me for dead. Even at a young age, I was noticing that girls tended to be the glue holding a lot of social groups together— The girl was always the voice of reason and the mature one. Women themselves also seem to not view alot of men in a flattering light. I distinctly remember my gf telling me once “my opinion of men would be significantly lower if it wasn’t for you”.

>>19932995
Those who genuinely think of women 90% of the time are usually quick to objectify them rather than respect them as actual human beings. I’ve always noticed that women live rent free in the heads of misogynists. Women aren’t the sole focus of my life, but I honestly can’t see what decent man wouldn’t love girls. A lot of genuinely great guys seem to hold women in high regard in one way or another.

>>19933007
The most beautiful men possess feminine qualities, which I think speaks volumes.

>>19933606
>Even at a young age, I was noticing that girls tended to be the glue holding a lot of social groups together— The girl was always the voice of reason and the mature one

Is this opposite day?

>>19933606
Lol faggot simp

>>19933606
I am gay and in most of my experiences women have been irrational. At the same time, sometimes I have sided with women when it comes to interpersonal conflicts (but tried to make their claims more reasonable). I think gay men are in a nice middle ground, since they can be both sensitive and reasonable.

>>19933003
>>19933606
I didn't say that I don'l love women or that I never met good ones, I'm a married oldfag and I love my wife. I just said that adult men (over 35, let's say) don't think about women all that much, certainly not 90% of the time. That subject has been thoroughly examined by now. Women are nice to be around but very limited and intellectually myopic. It's just how it is.

>>19933606
>I’ve just had alot of shitty experiences with men
Greentext of when they raped your boipussy.

>The girl was always the voice of reason and the mature one
Hahahaha what?
WHAT?

>>19933003
>simping on the hacker known as 4channel
Waste of time. Just like you.

>>19933606
>Even at a young age, I was noticing that girls tended to be the glue holding a lot of social groups together— The girl was always the voice of reason and the mature one.
I feel that. In primary school my best friend was a girl. I spent most of the time at school with guys but for the most part, they were violent, competitive, and sort of treacherous. Spending time with boys was always a battle of some kind. I was weird as a kid and younger than my classmates by a couple of years, and other boys, even my so-called friends, sometimes took advantage of that, but she was always happy to see me and a comforting presence even when I was aloof. Alas we parted way at the start of middle school and I don’t know what she became. I never told her I loved her.

I haven’t had a female friend like her ever since, which is killing me.

>>19933751
not this guy but it’s an established fact, both anecdotally and quantitatively, that girls tend to be much more mature than boys at a young age. Just go into any school near by. Spent some time and talk with 12yo boys and girls. It’s night and day.

>>19932995
>I'll just write this bitter post entirely about the flaws of women to show how little I think about women, because I'm a adult
Sometimes anon the only way to win the game is not to play Anon. You could have at least gone on a comically meta digression about your decking or the new power-washer you bought instead of undercutting your point like that.

>>19932995
>Adult men don't really think of women that much.
Its called being gay. Nothing wrong with it, its kind of accepted nowadays and your parents probably did already suspected it for a long time

>>19933777
>Just go into any school near by. Spent some time and talk with 12yo boys and girls. It’s night and day.
Are you a predator?

>>19931343
>There's a reason they occupy 90% of male brain and I need to get to the bottom of why
We're flesh puppets animated by neurotransmitters with reproduction that depends on sexual dimorphism. The reason is, you're an animal. If you didn't figure that out yet you're not on a path to become an actual person.

>>19931343
I didn't have a stay at home mother and so have been starved of the feminine my entire life. At core, that led to my lust for them - often manifesting it in my obsession with large curves and breasts so large that their movement would be inhibited so in a way they'd be trapped as my wife and stay home. Ironically, I'm married now and my wife works (birth control is priced into the market now), and I long for this feminine aura very distinctly but unfortunately our society doesn't really have women anymore. It's side but alas the solution would be going off the grid.

>>19933766
>they were violent, competitive, and sort of treacherous. Spending time with boys was always a battle of some kind.
You were supposed to like this.

>>19933799
Maybe just try not being a bugman?

>>19933777
Yes, famously so, except later women do not mature any further, and often end up emotional wrecks; clichés aside, "voice of reason" women are very rare, except if you're very lucky

>>19933826
That's the point I'm trying to make. Me myself, am very resolved about what women mean to me, but I wonder if that's because I'm 35 than any other reason. The key for me was to find purpose disconnected from women, and if you suceed, any women with sense will follow. And that I did, but knowing myself very well I don't think that would work or would ever understand its meaning when I was 20, and today romantic love being completely dead. Women for me is just a line of people trying to wrangle pussy to get something they want from me, and that's hard to find alluring.

>>19933856
Yes, but I advise you stay skeptical on your notion of "any women with sense will follow". I agree with you completely. Our "sexual identity" is contingent but our consciousness is necessary. Many people mistake sexual identity with true necessary identity, thats why they feel agony when a woman said "you're not a man!" as if vaporizing the man's existence. This can only happen if you don't realize you have other identity aside from your sexual one.

>>19933333
checked. op btfo

>>19933866
> I advise you stay skeptical on your notion of "any women with sense will follow"
Of course. That's not a woman-hating stance, though. I don't hate women, I hate people. You should be skeptic of everyone. Since I'm a man, I have particular needs that are provided by women, and learned with hardships to stop pursuing its reliefs and instead being given them.

> thats why they feel agony when a woman said "you're not a man!"
Or when used-up roasties rub it in your face you're not the best cock she had

>This can only happen if you don't realize you have other identity aside from your sexual one.
That's not easy. I have one because I pursued one, not because it came naturally. Many people parks on the basic, sexual identity and stay there for the rest of their lives. It is reasonably harmless and highly sustainable when this identity is "a family man", but as we all know by now highly destructive to the self and everyone close when it's related to debauchery and degeneration. I can't stand how shallow a life can be when the only thing they pursue is recognizance about the way they fuck or dress as.

>>19931343
This is why this board has gone to shit, why can't you just keep on /pol/, /r9k/ and other incel boards? we used to discuss and read books here for real.

>>19933919
Masculinity and femininity are in fact essences. Essences exemplify in individual objects, such as a man or a woman. Each of these individual objects have varying degree of strength in essences. And the only way to measure this essence is through the opposite sex. It is an unfortunate but real fact, that people can only view us as objects because they lack the capacity to peer through consciousness of the other person. In case of identity, most people aren't aware of their identity as a subject, but only view it in objective term, as in from other people's observation, that's the source of agony.

>>19933628
Yeah I like women a lot but that statement is the complete opposite experience for me. Maybe it's a generational thing but every woman I've known for a long time has had every social group or relationship they've been in fall apart entirely (apart from a few marriages). None of their friendships last forever. Yet all of my dude friends from high school still get along and hang out. Even within my mixed friend groups that included both men and women, the women are all gone yet the men remain.

>>19933943
Cont.
Weakness in essence entails weakness in existence among these people. Weakness in existence entails ephemerality. Thus, the agony.

>>19933766
Similar situation, although my girl friends weren’t in school with me. I do remember that in school I was very emotionally vulnerable, and the girls were often sympathetic towards me and quick to comfort me. Tbh, I was never interested in romantic relationships until I left high school, but I’ve noticed that I’ve always been popular with girls in one way or another. I know in high school alot of the younger girls had a crush on me, and when I actually started pursuing girls romantically, flirting with them and landing a date was honestly laughably easy. My current gf is also one of my best friends and she’s one of the most loyal and dependable people I’ve ever known. I’d genuinely take a bullet for her.

>>19933821
That kind of culture is awful though. I sometimes have aggressive bouts of anger and I hate it because I’m not thinking rationally and I’m scared that I’ll hurt someone without good reason. I don’t know if it’s because I’m just a more effeminate male (My own dad used to call me a “girl” and a pansy, ffs), but I always thought macho culture was uncouth and barbaric. There’s elements of masculinity I like and identify with, don’t get me wrong, but there’s other aspects of conventional masculithat I just find lame.

>>19933943
>Masculinity and femininity are in fact essences
Now deny there's a overwhelming predisposition for each based on sex for me to laugh

>It is an unfortunate but real fact, that people can only view us as objects because they lack the capacity to peer through consciousness of the other person
>In case of identity, most people aren't aware of their identity as a subject,
Because people are dumb. People are cattle. They'll do whatever their recognized leadership tells them to. You very rarely find people with an actual soul.

I'm not saying I'm any better because I build myself one, that pretty much ostracizes me and I live all my life inside my own head, and that's is source for agony, not ignorance. Ignorant people know their place and purpose and are inevitably content for it given enough wealth. And present day society is cabal proof there's enough wealth around to keep the ignorant content even while 2 years deep in a falsified pandemic state. If present events happened in the first half of the XXth century we would have political leadership's heads on sticks a long time ago.

>>19931343
this thread is making me a misogynist i think its filled with samefags

i want to BE a woman

>>19933821
There’s nothing positive about putting other people down for social clout or some other advantages, and only a masochist would enjoy this atmosphere of constant threats and betrayals. I value honesty and loyalty to your words and principles above all else and on this aspect men are certainly not any better than women in my experience, in fact they are possibly worse. I’d much rather befriend an humble, “immature“ but earnest person than an intellectual who use his “rationality” to manipulate and lie to his own advantage. In fact, this is why I find the company of kids quite refreshing. Most cannot lie and won’t accept an a priori logically sound but morally questionable argument.

>>19934023
check out /hrtgen/ on /lgbt/
you can take hrt and still boymode it's what I do
hrt.cafe
http://lena.kiev.ua/
http://lena.kiev.ua/ev/

>>19934059
>this pounce

>>19934023
You will NEVER BE a woman

>>19932934
One of the best books I've ever read.
Eve Babitz is also great as it shows the other side of the same coin.

>>19931343
Slampig: The Girls You Pass Up, I Pick Up

That picture is one of the best condensations of what is hot about women that I've ever seen. Edited or not.

I wonder if women are even aware of what they are to men? Whenever they try to accentuate or harness it, they always pick the wrong things, or things only peripheral to it. One of the great disappointments of my life was finding out that no woman can really tap into it except by accident. Then again if they could tap into it at will we probably never would have gotten out of the primeval forest because we'd all still be worshipping them by an oak tree.

>>19931343
my favorite asmr youtuber. I love you erin :)

>>19932995
>bragging about being a low test fat fuck

Women are the touchstone that men are struck against to determine if he contains gold.

>>19931343
Chubby womanlet with midget proportions that only looks good in angles. ASMR darling is the /lit/ asmrtist

>>19933411
>die as dog

>>19934635
There is indeed a high feminine wisdom/mysticism that incel culture still can't come to terms with.

>>19934059
That doesn't make you a woman, that makes you a faggot freak and a puppet of the jews, a next-level incel.

>>19934635
>I’m attracted to feet and arits, but they keep putting on makeup
Or something like this. Oo, you so mysterious 9_9

>>19934635
>I’m attracted to feet and armpits, but they keep putting on makeup
Or something like this. Oo, you so mysterious 9_9

>>19932654
Me too. They're wonderful. I realized something that broke me out of my incel rage and it's this

"I dont hate women, I hate bad people."

>>19934635
>I wonder if women are even aware of what they are to men?
What are they to men?

>>19934850
>ASMR darling is the /lit/ asmrtist

huh, weird way to spell Ozley ASMR. She's white, married & a housewife :)

>When you realize you don't hate women, you hate yourself because you don't do anything and you know you're not worth peoples attention

>>19935431
>when you're so mad about misogyny in a completely abstract way that you enter a generally misogynistic space just to say free-floating anonymous "I bet all misogynists are losers" statements essentially talking to yourself

I wish you the best of luck in your war against "misogyny in general," I think you've at least discovered the most effective superweapon against it

>>19931396
Don't remind me, that was one of the most putrid and disgusting things I ever read.

>>19933606
These threads are always great because you get to see people on both sides of the argument project their circumstantial experiences onto the whole of reality in the most retarded way, and then another guy says no that's complete bullshit and proceeds to do the exact same thing. Maybe hyper idealizing / demonizing platonic forms of 'men' and 'women' based on 1 person's experience of the billions on the planet isn't the best idea?

>>19935508
>maybe ever making generalizations about groups of people based on their common behaviors is wrong
hmm, no, that's stupid.

It's because they are romanticized in any form of media, so you learn to adore them automatically.
I did, too, from reading unhealthy amounts of male-authored literature as a child. Then I taught myself to romanticize guys the same way out of fear of being a lesbian.
Now I can appreciate both sides, though men are forever sweeter.
It's all a matter of habit. As for a book- any sickening romantic novel.

>>19935517
Well then I'm glad this site is a good place for extroverts with a ton of firsthand social experience and data to pull from to make such generalizations in as informed a way as possible so we can live out our social lives and attitudes accordingly

>>19935670
Every post you make is dumb and empty. The reason /r9k/ went from being the fringe of 4chan to being the dominant ideology of 4chan and then of an entire generation of upcoming men is because it's funny and incisive even when it's wrong. You are so unfunny and vacuous that even if you're right, nobody would know. If telling people they're losers and virgins worked, wouldn't it have worked by now?

>>19934059
even if I wanted to be a tranny (I don't) I couldn't because I'm obscenely hairy, does tranny meds stop body hair? I'd have to wax 3 times a day

>>19935539
We’re saying you’re worthless because you laze around as a lay-flat neet hating on women and life in general. Collecting loli, futa, bestiality, rekt/gore, etc. is just the effect of that lifestyle

>>19931343
Tristan und Isolde, Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg, Parsifal.

>>19931343
very womanly figure. I thought she was lesbian?

>>19935699
Nah she's bi, she dated a male ASMR youtuber too

>>19935684
>but having a normal healthy mental state towards reality isn't AESTHETIC or based funni!
Your favourite children's entertainer / """"""""content"""""""" creator is on the other tab, this is the literature board.

>>19935717
>male ASMR

What?

Who's the audience for this?

>>19935773
Gross, am I talking to that 50 year old childless single woman estranged from her family by accident? Or are you just as braindead as her?

>>19935835
But to be honest for a second, if what you say is actually correct and people can't handle being suggested to get their shit together without being entertained / part of some aesthetic, we likely have far worse problems than /r9k/ raids in every crevice of society, and I don't exactly see you posting any sped up gifs with captions on how to treat one's technologically induced mental illness