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Where do I start with Nagarjuna? Should I read the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā first?
Could someone explain his ideas to me and explain why they aren't accepted by the Theravada community?

>> No.19929023

>>19928891
Theravadins view sunyata as an unnecessarily complicated elaboration of anatta. Read Garfield's books to start.

>> No.19929084

>>19929023
I don't see how sunyata can be equated to anatta, could you elaborate please? Anatta is about things lacking eternal selves, sunyata is about the interconnectedness of reality making things lack inherent self-existence and thus negating all dualisms. Unless I got it wrong.
>Garfield's books
Thanks

>> No.19929119

>>19929084
>sunyata is about the interconnectedness of reality making things lack inherent self-existence and thus negating all dualisms
U got it wrong. Sunnata is a specific elaboration of anatta. As the other anon pointed out, read Jay Garfield.

>> No.19929171

>>19929119
Why would interpreting emptiness as relativity be incompatible with there being no inherent essences? That's a fairly orthodox point of view.

>> No.19929312

>>19928891
Mahayana “sutras” are fan fic Niggarjuna’s philosophy is built upon fan fic. Both are curious in a silly way but completely unrelated to Dhamma.

>> No.19929346

>>19929312
>Niggarjuna’s philosophy is built upon fan fic.
Why?
Some Mahayana sutras were written as early as the Pali canon

>> No.19929382

>>19929171
Because sunnata and anatta don't lead to relativity. Reality still exists at the conventional level.

>> No.19929416

>>19929382
>sunnata and anatta don't lead to relativity
Isn't Buddhism nominalist

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>>19929382
>Reality still exists at the conventional level.
Right, a reality which is dependently originated, in which all things are conditioned upon other things, things only possible because they lack any inherent own self-nature which would preclude them from such appearances. Did (You) do the reading?

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>>19928891
"The Absolute Infinite is equivalent to Sunyata. This was communicated to me by Bodhisattvas who operate beyond our mundane conceptions of time and space." - Georg Cantor

>> No.19929900

>>19929646
What's the absolute infinite?