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Is there a legitimate literary genius who was not a pervert, and who was not a degenerate?

I've noticed that the more info we have, and the more we learn, about great writers and poets, the more we seem to note that they were big perverts, and many also had strange fetishes. From Joyce to Kafka to Proust to Melville and more, the writers whose close lives we know about all seem to be weirdos, especially sexual weirdos.

Do you think we find the same thing if we could go back and look at the Medieval and Ancient writers and poets? Is there just something about being creative that goes hand in hand with being a pervert? And if so, why?

>> No.19921952
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>>19921917
What feels better in the world than having a good buzz while plowing your genitals into some beautiful woman?

>> No.19921953

>>19921917
Proust, Melville and Kafka weren't weirdos. Joyce for a normie like you may be a weirdo.

>> No.19921959

>>19921917
>Shakespeare had a mommy fetish
>Dante was a simp
>Cervantes masturbated so much his hand went limp
No exceptions. I myself will be the next great literary genius and I take creepshots of women on the streets.

>> No.19921963
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Who the fuck cares?

>> No.19921965

>>19921917
Dante its a shame the black guelphs were such cunts a man of Florence through and through

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>> No.19922005

>>19921917
>Do you think we find the same thing if we could go back and look at the Medieval and Ancient writers and poets?
Most of the ancient ones were pederasts and adulterers, so yes. And many medieval poets too.

>> No.19922051

>>19921952
Okay, I'll bite, Jason. What's your book about?

>> No.19922083

>>19921953
Pretty sure Proust masturbated to prostitutes skewering rats with needles and burning them alive, check the Edmund white biography for sources. Also the gay sadism that occurs in late Proust.

>> No.19922100

>>19921952
All you feel are neurotransmitters in your head incentivized to reproduce as much as possible. Fuck you

>> No.19922319

>>19921917
Tolkien

>> No.19922347

>every single great artist i aspire towards is some form of weirdo druggy coomer
okay fuck self-improovers and their perfected mediocrity im taking the degenpill

>> No.19922351

>>19921917
>degenerate
>>19921917
>degenerate
Every time you use this word you reveal that you are either a teen, or someone in his early twenties who is strating to miss out on life, or someone past his early twenties who has definitely missed out on it. It's the single cringiest word you can write without the excuse of being a retarded, religious or too old or estranged from this age to use the internet. Every time I see it written on this website it never fails to evoke in my mind the image of a very young man with the sugary residue of some soft drink still crusted on the side of his mouth, sitting at his computer factually alone with his unshakable belief to have some for of moral high ground on other people from the top of a life made of zero experiences.
And mind me: the problem is not that you make fun of Joyce fart fetish, because everyone does that. The problem is describing this fetish, or any other fetish, as "degenerate", as if you were in any position to establish what sexual customs are good and what are a "degeneration" of that good. To add even more ridicule to your use of the word - and, trust me, the good v. bad (degenerate) worldview of adolescents is already ridiculous enough in how it simplifies the complexity of life - is this: should I accept that there are indeed sexual experiences that are "degenerate" in comparisons to others, i.e. that there is an objective "natural" hierarchy of sexual customs, you still would be the less qualified person to talk about it, as someone whose sexual experiences are clearly imaginary.

>> No.19922363
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>degenerate
Every time you use this word you reveal that you are either a teen, or someone in his early twenties who is strating to miss out on life, or someone past his early twenties who has definitely missed out on it. It's the single cringiest word you can write without the excuse of being a retarded, religious or too old or estranged from this age to use the internet. Every time I see it written on this website it never fails to evoke in my mind the image of a very young man with the sugary residue of some soft drink still crusted on the side of his mouth, sitting at his computer factually alone with his unshakable belief to have some for of moral high ground on other people from the top of a life made of zero experiences.
And mind me: the problem is not that you make fun of Joyce fart fetish, because everyone does that. The problem is describing this fetish, or any other fetish, as "degenerate", as if you were in any position to establish what sexual customs are good and what are a "degeneration" of that good. To add even more ridicule to your use of the word - and, trust me, the good v. bad (degenerate) worldview of adolescents is already ridiculous enough in how it simplifies the complexity of life - is this: should I accept that there are indeed sexual experiences that are "degenerate" in comparisons to others, i.e. that there is an objective "natural" hierarchy of sexual customs, you still would be the less qualified person to talk about it, as someone whose sexual experiences are clearly imaginary.

>> No.19922375

>>19922351
some things help society away from baboonery and some things drag us back into it. seethe.

>> No.19922392

>>19922363
t. guy with a degenerate fetish

>> No.19922415

>>19922363
based

>> No.19922419

>>19921953
Joyce is still less of a degen than anyone who posts here

>> No.19922424

>>19922363
You lack professionalism on your literal being, its incredible how can one person be this deranged from reality.

>> No.19922590

>>19921959
He wasn't a faggot and went to slay filthy arabs. Lost his hand that way

>> No.19922754

>>19921917
Being a degenerate is a way to demonstrate creativity. Conforming to the expectations of society is an undertaking lacking in creativity. Being a normie is indicative of a powerful external>internal drive balance.

>> No.19922874

>>19922375
And of course you're qualified enough to determine which?

>> No.19922901

>>19922363
Well anon, posting his words next to a drawing of a tranny would have been the unassailable, winning argument. There's no coming back from that sorry if riposte. But, unfortunately for you, your inability to green text properly means the other anon must be right.

>> No.19922904

Joyce loved his wife spritualy and celebrated every aspect of her personhood. What's degen about a true deep love that accepts and finds joy in even the aspects that are natural but embarassing?

/lit/ is possibly even more virgin than /pol/

>> No.19922918

>>19922363
lmao gottem

>> No.19922979

Borges.

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>>19922363
>should I accept that there are indeed sexual experiences that are "degenerate" in comparisons to others, i.e. that there is an objective "natural" hierarchy of sexual customs
Peepee in vagina make baby
Peepee in booboo doesnt

>> No.19923400

>>19921953
Proust did tonnes of drugs and hung out in some pretty weird male brothels. He was definitely freaky.

>> No.19924666

Perverts, not that much. Many were schizophrenic though. Literary production is very common when you have no actual relations to others and ideas flow inside

>> No.19924711

>>19921953
Proust jerked off like a monkey on methamphetamine. So much so that his father gave him money to go bang a prostitute to cure him of his incessant wanking.

What transpired did not result in Proust getting a coom, but did result in this wonderful piece of literary history, a letter Proust wrote to his grandfather concerning the ordeal:

18 May 1888

Thursday evening.

My dear little grandfather,

I appeal to your kindness for the sum of 13 francs that I wished to ask Mr. Nathan for, but which Mama prefers I request from you. Here is why. I so needed to see if a woman could stop my awful masturbation habit that Papa gave me 10 francs to go to a brothel. But first, in my agitation, I broke a chamber pot: 3 francs; then, still agitated, I was unable to screw. So here I am, back to square one, waiting more and more as hours pass for 10 francs to relieve myself, plus 3 francs for the pot. But I dare not ask Papa for more money so soon and so I hoped you could come to my aid in a circumstance which, as you know, is not merely exceptional but also unique. It cannot happen twice in one lifetime that a person is too flustered to screw.

I kiss you a thousand times and dare to thank you in advance.

I will be home tomorrow morning at 11am. If you are moved by my situation and can answer my prayers, I will hopefully find you with the amount. Regardless, thank you for your decision which I know will come from a place of friendship.

Marcel.

>> No.19924717

>>19922100
No you fucking idiot, neurotransmitters aren't real, all you feel are atoms, which aren't real either, as they are composed of quarks and leptons.

>> No.19924725

>>19922363
BASED
AS
FUCK

>> No.19924727

>>19924711
Lmao what a Chad. He writes so politely too

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>>19922100

>> No.19924757

Nope. If you dare to make a compelling case for one the headless Postmodern Radical Left Industrial-Complex will algorithmically collect the suggestion and churn out a hundred fake essays and Reddit posts analyzing there life and confirm that He was a genuine disciple of Satan and that its not OK to read there work anymore! This would be dangerous because in addition to loading another author into the censorship queue entirely by your own efforts you are also taking part in besmirching their good name and will be punished both by revisionist radical leftists and by God.