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>>19922314
Spengler was a historian first and foremost. Spengler was also not a metaphysical thinker like Heidegger either.

>>19922314
Heidegger never talked about Goethe's theory on similarity, which Spengler heavily influenced.

>>19922314
Heidegger didnt copy Sprengler so much as he just reiterated some points made by the german idealist tradition, some points made by Husserl, and called it a day. even Dasein, which is often described as his big innovative untranslatable neologism is taken directly from Hegel. Im always reminded of Thomas Bernhart's rant about Heidegger in old masters:

"Heidegger is second-hand, he was and is the prototype of the re-thinker, who lacked everything, but truly everything, for independent thinking. Heideggers method, consisted in the most unscrupulous turning of other peoples great ideas into small ideas of his own, that is a fact. Heidegger has so reduced everything great that it has become German compatible, you understand: German compatible, Reger said. Heidegger is the petit-bourgeois of German philosophy, the man who has placed on German philosophy his kitschy night-cap, that kitschy black night-cap which Heidegger always wore, on all occasions."

>>19922343
>untranslatable neologism
Dasein is a regular German word, not from Hegel, just everyday use

>>19922343
Reine Kathederphilosopherei

>>19922330
Have you read Spengler?

>>19922456
yes, I've read Decline Of The West, Prussianism And Socialism and Man And Technics.

>>19922343
>Thomas Bernhart
>Nicolaas Thomas Bernhard (German: [ˈtoːmas ˈbɛʁnhaʁt]; 9 February 1931 – 12 February 1989) was an Austrian novelist, playwright and poet.
Kek thanks for the input homo

>>19922507
I think Spengler took his metaphysics for granted and applied them, whereas Heidegger looked more deeply into the metaphysics themselves. For example, Spengler has a habit of claiming the physiognomic Destiny idea to be unspeakable, that is, un-definable. Hazy stuff, not anti-metsphysical, but less autistically definitive. Hence the anon above might be lead to believe he's not a Metaphysician, since he declines the Kantian precision hitherto seen, though I can't say I agree, just gotta read between the lines.

>>19922343
>Dasein, which is often described as his big innovative untranslatable neologism is taken directly from Hegel.
No you fucking retard, both views are wrong. It was a basic German word whose meaning extends beyond any particular philosopher, but lends itself to intellectual defining.

>>19922314
silly anon, crowley was too busy doing drugs and writing poetry to spend his time with philosophy

>>19922314
>What a revelation it was for the mass of people who were unfamiliar with actual thinking and its rich history when two decades ago, in 1917, Oswald Spengler announced that he was the first to discover that every age and every civilization has its own world view! Yet it was all nothing more than a very deft and clever popularization of thoughts and questions on which others long before him had ruminated far more profoundly. Nietzsche was the most recent of these. Yet no one by any means mastered these thoughts and questions, and they remain unmastered up to the present hour. The reason is as simple as it is momentous and difficult to think through.

Op has only read Spengler and doesn't know anything else about German thought.

>>19922314
Huh? Heidegger literally destroyed (destruktion) Spengler’s retarded academic historical model and all of Western philosophy

>>19922343
Bait

Spengler is pretty irrelevant. He's just another meme author that /lit/ has developed a parasocial relationship with like Guenon, Evola and Nick Land a few years back.

>>19922314
There is literally no common ground between Heidegger and Spengler beyond the German language. You would have to have a beyond superficial, probably retarded, understanding of both to think this. OP, please read more, or more closely, or better yet, stop.
>>19923552
based, someone who can actually read

heidegger felt that philosophy determined culture and history, not the other way around. however, trying to understand heidegger without understanding the metahistorical epoch of weimar germany is a futile effort. join the genlit discord for more discussions on this https://discord.gg/RWnK3bc7

>>19922314
There is not a single Spenglerfag with an IQ above 110.
There is not a single Heideggerfag with an IQ below 130.

this bald would would be killed by antifa

>>19924103
i am trying to read heidegger and my IQ test result was 126

no wonder i have trouble understanding him

lol. Heidegger actually tried to contribute to philosophy as a whole though, whereas Spengler was just a völkisch memelord precursor to Hitler.