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“Wear converse to belong here, nerd!”
“Eat, drink, and have sex! You are biological being. You need to survive and reproduce.”
“Obey this law or go to jail.”
“Eat this or you wil die.”

This what comes to my mind after i have finished reading Ligotti’s works. We are simply existing to serve the cultural and biological factors. We are controlled by external things to main civilization and so called “species.”

We do something as they have said to us. And this is tragic because this makes us realize that we have no free choice. Everything is deterministic.

And now i wear converse to be considered cool to belong to social group. I eat, drink, and have sex and obey the law.

“You are puppet.” - Ligotti.

Really uncanny.

>> No.19910557

Just because you are a huge faggot doesn't mean everyone else in the world is

>> No.19910576

>>19910553
You are forgetting one--most--important thing: God. Were it not for Him, you would have been right, but thankfully he makes all of these superfluous. He who has God with him has everything.

>> No.19910623

>>19910576
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

>> No.19910628

>>19910623
But that is wrong. God isn't just your "boss". He is your only benefactor. Were it not for Him, you would have had nothing, and if you only follow Him, you will have everything.

>> No.19910791

>>19910553
What's between you and getting laid regularly?

This is literally all you need to do:

Take care of your body: by sleeping at a regular hour, eating healthy, showering daily, and getting enough exercise -- bonus points if you start lifting weights at the gym to build muscle (if you are depressed and find it hard to maintain a healthy lifestyle getting medication/therapy, or keeping in mind that it is still possible to do the work without believing in yourself)

Practice outward presentation: by reading and watching videos on body language and dressing in fashionable clothing, doing posture exercises, gym 3-4 times a week as mentioned before, become more physical and comfortable with your body by doing something active like a sport or dance class

Develop social skills: by reading a few books about social skills, observing how people interact both in life and media, talking to strangers, trying to make more friends (if you have anxiety, working your way to more meaningful conversations by asking for the time, or simple directions)

Develop seduction ability: by reading books on female psychology, PUA literature (with a discerning eye), going out and trying to date women, reading books on acting theory for good measure, and internalizing the characteristics of suave, masculine characters like James Bond and Indiana Jones

(most importantly, and probably surmounts everything I've just mentioned) Develop a sense of self: by owning who you are and thinking long and hard, over a long period of time, about what you value and where you want to go in life -- and making no compromises on this

If you're like me, you probably avoided doing this kind of because it feel disingenuous, or makes you feel like a loser. But the truth is love is a game, romance is bullshit for most people, purely a transactional enterprise. You think that girl you are pining for would be of any interest to you if she was 25 pounds heavier and didn't do her makeup every morning for 30 minutes? No. Work on the stuff I mentioned and you will be getting laid to your heart's content.

>> No.19910827

>>19910791
Why do you think "getting laid" is the cure to all problems? Absolute state of Americans

>> No.19910836

>>19910553
Well he was wrong, obviously. Determinism is philosophical suicide and its adherents should lead by example

>> No.19910838

>>19910553
we are controlled by internal factors too, and at every choice that feels free, it is an internal factor guiding us. and at that point, we are no longer like a puppet, and the illusion of free will might as well be free will. there are much more minute things governing our choices than societal and biological systems, like very small physical factors. these factors uphold the illusion so that we arent predictable as long as we arent omniscient. so we practically do have free will. but there are still inclinations among people to do certain things which create social norms, altough these are broken. many kill themselves and a growing number of people dont reproduce for example. eating, drinking and having sex, unlike wearing converse, are good for you and are done again for internal reasons. without any internal will, its completely meaningless to talk about freedom and its true that you cant choose your internal will but even if you could you would need an internal will to choose an internal will so complete freedom in that sense is meaningless too. that leaves us with wearing converse, or conformity in any way, and it is true that you will feel alone if your preferances are so incredibly unique, but chances are, even if they are so, they are tolerable by society and you can still socialize. if they are not, and you still feel the need to socialize, then this becomes a problem

>> No.19910841

>>19910827
Rent free. Anyways its not really about that.

>> No.19910859

>>19910791
That's a load of cope. Just be born attractive, lmao.

>> No.19910860

>>19910553
what amazes me is you had to read a specific author to reach these answers, the system really hurted you, didn't it

>> No.19910863

>>19910841
OP makes a thread about how the absence of free-will makes life meaningless, and you reply about "ways to improve yourself to have sex". What are you even doing on this board?

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>>19910553
Become a criminal/outlaw and suddenly you have transcended this paradigm that you seem to dislike so much. You are only a slave so long as you keep choosing to be a slave.

>>19910791
Or you can just straight up rape women instead of lowering yourself to act like some kind of preening faggot who watches "how to be alpha" videos on youtube.

Remember boys there is nothing stopping you from slipping a roofie in a girls drink, dragging her back to your place if she gets separated from whatever friends she's with, and just spending the night raping the hell out of her before dumping her ass off in the park.

>> No.19910948

>>19910863
I'm not the anon you're referring to

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>>19910553
>Ligotti

The conspiracy against the human race isn't real philosophy and you're a pseud

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>>19910791
>(most importantly, and probably surmounts everything I've just mentioned) Develop a sense of self: by owning who you are and thinking long and hard, over a long period of time, about what you value and where you want to go in life -- and making no compromises on this
Rest is garbage, this is mandatory if you want to live any kind of content life.

>> No.19913013

>>19910553
Yes, you dumb fuck. Tabula rasa is an obvious lie. You are restricted and guided by biology more than anything else. Social structures are trivial in comparison. Embrace reality or suffer in delusion.

>> No.19913023

>>19910553
Ligotti doesn't really have a theory of mind/free will.
Nor about realism/dualism/idealism. It's really more societal than metaphsical.

>> No.19913095

>>19910553
>And now i wear converse to be considered cool to belong to social group.
I wear Converse because my favorite video game character Ellie (Miller) from TLOU wears converese and she is hecking epic.
God, I am just like her.