/lit/ - Literature

>>19908064
This is the reading list of an autistic teenager. Why not read books that actual masculine men read (nothing.)

Why do people idolize Rome? it was proto globo-homo. There was so much immigration into Italy that it effects how they look to this day. The ancient Germans and steppechads were way better.

>>19908064
Self help books are cringe, scrap the first one and replace it by Meditations from Marcus Aurelius, or the Enchiridion by Epictetus. I haven't read the prince or the Art of War, but being a man is about your actions and values, not how good you are at scheming.

>>19908064
Nuts to Rome
And nuts to your “lost masculinity”

Life isn't a war dude, friendship and success doesn't have to be something that involves hurting, winning or manipulating other people.
Your masculinity is fine since that concept has lost pretty much any meaning, society doesn't care about this anymore.

>>19908064
Start with the Greeks

>>19908064
"A Gentleman's Guide to Manners, Sex, and Ruling the World" by S. K. Baskerville

>>19908102

Augustus would have your legs broken

:^)

Could start by exiling OP to an island somewhere for having corrupt morals and being invirile. This would increase the net manliness of the Roman people

>>19908083
Rome brought civilization to Europe. People still speak languages descended or heavily influenced by latin. They write with the latin alphabet. Heck latin has been the language of science, law and culture for thousands of years. People still use laws derived from Roman laws. The descendants of Rome have conquered almost the entire world.

Idolizing Rome is filial piety. Simple as.

An amerimutt wouldn't understand anything about family values of course.

>>19908083
>globohomo
>muh immigration
grow up

>>19908064
Stop reading meme books

>>19908146
To shill rome is to be a cuck and race traitor. Rome oppressed europe for hundreds of years.

>>19908064
Those books are useless if you occupy a low position in society. If you want to be a good leader, you have to first have something to lead.

This is like the "just grind bro" reading list. Read what actual princes and gentlemen were educated with in the past. For example, George Washington was educated with Rules of Civility and Decent Behaviour In Company and Conversation, and the classics (some of his favorites were Caesar's Commentaries, Histories of Alexander the Great and Don Quixote). Unironically start with the Greeks.

>>19908126
I would feed Augustus’ legs, cock and tongue to the dogs. Rule from your skateboard.

>>19908146
>family values
Imagine being proud of speaking a language descended from ancient conquerors. In 2000 years will Americans be proud of speaking Spanglish?

>>19908155
>>19908173
I'm French, my ancestors were Gallo-romans. I speak a modern form of latin. The civil code we use was inspired by Roman law. Our country is full of Roman ruins. The common western mythological canon is mostly based in Greco-Roman culture. Rome birthed western civilization. How can you not see that ?

>>19908166
>Don Quixote
I wonder if it might be too on the nose for OP

>>19908146
>Complaining about Americans
>On an American site
>Speaking American English
Yikes.

>>19908234
You are a cuck. Rome committed many genocides against the natives of france.

>>19908303
French people didn't exist when Rome conquered Gaul you idiot

>>19908369
did he say they did?

>>19908369
I wasnt referring to french people. I was talking about the people who lived in that area.

>>19908064
Enjoy your LARP, nu-male

>>19908150
He’s actually right though read Oswald Spengler and read the DNA papers that have come out the last few years. Roman was the culturally homogeneous world empire of its time and encouraged mass migration of Middle Easterners and North Africans into Europe.

>>19908383
The 'natives' of France are the Frankish-Gallo-Roman amalgamate.

>>19908173
>In 2000 years will Americans be proud of speaking Spanglish?
Yes, because it is an inherently philosophical language

>>19908064
You don't read books to regain anything lmao. For many, reading books is just mere consumerism.

>>19908064
>What are some books to regain our masculinity?
>>how to win friends and influence people
>>The Art of War
>'muh rome' picture with some shitty digital distortion effect and a purple background pasted over an image of antiquity
Now this is some quality bait, I really mean that

>>19908064
>how to win friends and influence people
>The Prince
>The Art of War

>>19908460
Sure cuck.

>>19908596
Stay mad Breton

>>19908610
Keep coping wannabe roman. You are just a cuck. The ultimate cuck.

>>19908629
It's not 2015. Sorry to hear your nth great grandfather got absolutely buck broken by a guy named Gaius Uranus Maximus

>>19908635
Wasn't my ancestor cuck frenchie. :)

>>19908064
cringe

>>19908661
I am not French. But you will take your Meds, schizo.

>>19908672
This is why you're a race traitor.

>>19908064
None of these books are about masculinity, but restraining it

>>19908691
Man it's sad how some Americans are so fixated on race because they have no cultural roots so they have to larp about "muh germanic ancestors". The world is not black and white. Your ancestors were not 100% germanics or a 100% celts. I am French not a gaul. My ancestors were not celts, not romans, not germanics but all of them combined.

As for CULTURAL heritage, Rome is the ancestor of all western civilization whether you want it or not. Celebrating Rome, or Greco-Roman culture in general is celebrating your heritage as a western man.

At this point either your are trolling me or you are legitimately retarded, and I dislike engaging in online shit-flinging so let's leave it at that.

>>19908672

>>19908857
I presume he is assblasted that a large empire was diverse and believes we should all live in little silos. But if one of the silos has an advantage over the others it will inevitably exercise dominion over them, and people will begin to leave the little silos for the one that radiates the most. So it's another case of retarded rewind-the-clockism as usual.

>>19908257
I wish there was an Euro chan where people could post in Latin desu.

Also, legitimately curious as to what made you say that I spoke "American English" instead of "British English" or whatever standard English is ? Not saying you are wrong, just curious.

>>19908875
If you are going to do philology at least provide the Latin. Saying someone has no literary ability, to a Roman of that era, is the same as calling him a common moron.

>>19908155
>Rome oppressed europe for hundreds of years.

>>19908875
The Latin of that passage literally reads "etiam illud iam cognitum est neque argenti scripulum esse ullum in illa insula neque ullam spem praedae nisi ex mancipiis; ex quibus nullos puto te litteris aut musicis eruditos exspectare."
>(last line) From them (Britons), I think that you will find no cultivated persons in (matters of) literary studies or music

So it's actually even less relevant than the translation they use there suggests, the essence of eruditus is really educated or instructed, talents is a strange way of rendering it

>>19908881
Was going to not tell you because it's patronising pseudery to talk about minor points of language which don't affect meaning communicated and It was just a pseud point from him but it was the idolising with a 'z', on the same note it's normally 'a Euro' because the Anglos pronounce it as 'Yuro' because anglo-speak is an abomination with little consistent logic.

Id quoque aveo, quam mirabile esset

>>19908881
>I wish there was an Euro chan
welcome to 2ch, бrother

>>19908146
Romeaboo trannies need to dilate

It's one thing to acknowledge the importance of Rome, it's another to worship it as some kind of golden age of humanity when it was anything but. The rulers were corrupt and effeminate pedos. Most people were still illiterate peasant farmers. Their culture was just a half assed copy paste of the Greeks without any notable philosophy. And yes, like the other anon pointed out, it was in a lot of ways the ancient equivalent of American globohomo but without the material prosperity that we enjoy in the modern world. It was a doomed to fail expansionist state that was founded on the idea of constant war and subjugation and it's death was arguably the best thing to happen for the rest of Europe. Online larpers only VGH over it because they all think they would be some ebin legionnaire or Caesar himself when they odds are they would more likely be a literal slave.

Yes, they were great at conquering, engineering, and organization but don't fucking kid yourself.

>>19909275
Don't write such nonsense! Your beloved Europe reached the material and cultural level of long gone Rome only in the 19th century. We still are not aware to this day of the secrets of roman masonry, our architecture won't last for millennia. Yes, globalism was the reason the Empire perished, but most of the larpers out there hearken back to the times of Roman Republic as its legitimate heyday(s) -- the epitome of Greeko-Roman civilization.
An honourable mention: the Eastern Roman Empire persisted until the 15th century, and many eastern slavic cultures are indebted to greek (byzantian) scholars, e.g., for creating their alphabets.

>>19908881
Si eum facias, venient

>>19909380
Tu es fasciculum

>>19908064
If you’re worrying about your masculinity you’re already lost.

>>19909364
>Your beloved Europe reached the material and cultural level of long gone Rome only in the 19th century.
Maybe in terms of a couple of things like long distance roads but for the most part they were at the same material and cultural level by the late middle ages.
>our architecture won't last for millennia.
Architecture from even the Carolingian era is still standing okay, why wouldn't ours?
>most of the larpers out there hearken back to the times of Roman Republic as its legitimate heyday(s) -- the epitome of Greeko-Roman civilization.
Rome was a backwater for the majority of the Republic.
>the Eastern Roman Empire persisted until the 15th century
That can hardly be said to be Rome in any sense as it exists in the popular imagination. It pretty much morphed into its own thing.

>>19908064
Lol why not regain some pussy you fucking faggot lmao

>>19908064
exquisite

>>19908064
Mishima was really focused on masculinity and he was writing in a time where he felt the masculine spirit of his nation was shattered and replaced by a kind of western femininity.

He takes a lot of what gets called toxic nowadays and treats it as ideal. It's cool.

>>19908064
>how to win friends and influence people
>hey man, just be genuinely interested in other people and they will like you

Why don't you actually take some inspiration from pic related and read Plutarch's Parallel Lives? What better way is there to learn about masculinity than reading about the lives of great men?

>>19908083
It was a solar empire that made all of its parts gain beauty and strength

>>19909570
>Sun and Steel is most accessable if you are already familiar with the life of Mishima. It is his most honest, unadorned writing. It is filled with his death romanticism and also with his frantic quest for beauty, strength, action and his obsession with aging and longevity. It is a passionate piece of writing, consisting of one paragraph around 100 pages in length. His fetish for militarism is evident towards the end of the book, and he begins with an almost embarrassed admission of his age and stature as a "mature' writer, reflecting his obsession with eternal youth and glorious death.

>>19908064
Symposium

>Men who are sliced from the wholly male original seek out males, and being slices of the male, while they are still boys they feel affection for men and take pleasure in lying beside or entwined with them. In youth and young manhood this sort of male is the best because he is by nature the most manly. Some people say such males are without shame, but that is not true. They do what they do not out of shamelessness but out of confidence, courage and manliness, and they embrace that which is like themselves. And there is good evidence for this in the fact that only males of this type, when they are grown up, prove to be the real men in politics.
Aristophanes, Symposium, 191e-192c